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here is another subject for you to discuss guys, how about alians, are there any alian homos out there? Domino? Winston? and if there are, do you think they are intitled for equal rights as we?.................. I mean gays?

they even made a song about that Sasun jan "lets do it like animals on discovery chanal"

Maral jan would you come with me for a vacation? maybe we can figure out which one is which

And perhaps everyone should jump to there own conclusions by exercising common sense, its simple as 1+1=2 said that, if a person is living in one of the industrial countries would realize those and its inhabitance are somewhat contributing to the global warming, very simple and very easy to understand, like Sip said, LA is much cleaner because strict emission regulations state imposed, now take that into the study and tell me that did not have an impact as one major factor. Study after study sometimes reflects biased endorsement of surthen interest group, government, and administration. And there are always radical and contradictory studies to counter that, in all, again, depends what the motivation is. But I also believe, if there was not a environmental movement, those bustards would chop of the last tree from Amazon.

This is exacly the reason why Azat and Mosves quit the forum Domino jan

God help us all!!!

Maybe it was harsh Domino, important thing for me is some people understand what I mean, but I never really understood this obsession we Armenians have always blaming our misfortunes to others. Now days where we should have and use new long waited opportunity to become what we always dreamed of becoming, yet I see young generations are being systematically waisted in the dialogue of racism. If they devote just 1/10 of the energy they spend looking for hypothetical answers, instead turn that 1/10 to well being and contribute to insure future generations don’t have to blame "others" for our shortcomings, I say there would be no other Nation in this world would come even close of being as strong as us. This is a dilemma in which I think of every day, sometimes my son asks me naively, pap do Jews really hate us? Why? What the hell am suppose to tell him? Yes? There is the spooning of hate and racism and I don’t see how that helps us. (Not to mention Jews vs. Mexicans")

Changes Armenian Women would like to see in Armenian Men The Armenian women (from here on generally ‘women’) spoke passionately of the need for Armenian men (from here on ‘men’) to review their role as soul mates, within their family and even within the community. The issues that the women raised is given by a numeral plus the letter ‘W.’ The response and the points made to a related issue by the men is given in the next section with the same numeral plus the letter ‘M.’ 1W. “Armenian men need to see the women as equal ‘partners’ in important decisions that affect the whole family,” said a young pharmacist. A few stated that: “Some Armenian men think that just because they are the ‘head’ of the household, they have a free reign in all decisions.” It was interesting that the women with biblical insight recognized that the root of such one-sided decision-making by the male is not supported by the teachings of the Bible. 2W. “The ‘traditional approach’ to marriage advocated by some men places a great deal of pressure on us to care for his next-of-kin, which takes away from the focus on our relationship and family,” said a schoolteacher. It is an Armenian tradition where the parents tend to live with their son. This places a significant pressure on the son’s wife (hars). Not only is there the normal communication issues between wife and in-laws, but also the additional pressure of caring for the in-laws as they grow older. This was most burdensome for the women who also worked outside of the home. 3W. “Armenian men leave all the family’s home chores up to us,” was a very common statement. Many pointed out that the men in the dominant US culture seem to be more supportive and participating in everything from child-raising to tasks around the house, in comparison to the Armenian men. Again, the women who have to work outside the home are most sensitive to this issue. 4W. “Marriage is a journey that must be taken together. Men and women must fall in love and continue to maintain that loving relationship,” a divorced woman explained. In general, it was the women’s view that once Armenian men marry, it seems that they no longer have the need to maintain and build upon their relationship. They no longer make an effort and show compassion and caring as they did prior to marriage. 5W. “Men do not like talking about issues that are important to them; they hold-in their feelings and anxieties,” said a mother of three. Armenian men are viewed by the women as less able and versed in discussing feelings than men of the dominant US culture. 6W. “Everything seems to be black or white, agree or disagree, my way or yours!” observed a young woman in a frustrated tone. “When disagreements or arguments arise, Armenian men are not likely to discuss the issues in a reconciling and cooperative manner” added another. (Frankly the discussion on this subject did not progress very far. Some became very emotional while others spoke in terms of absolutes: “This is how it is and it won’t change!”) 7W. This point can be summarized by the comment of one person: “Armenian men don’t know what they want so they ask for everything from us. On the one hand they want us to be ‘graceful’ (shnorhalee) and act ‘dignified’ (badvov) as ‘an Armenian woman should.’ But at the same time they expect us to be flirting and acting ‘modern’ as some dominant culture women do. This puts us in a double jeopardy: If we act ‘traditional’ then we are considered backward, too dependent and not progressed enough. On the other hand, if we act more open and forward, then we are considered not ‘dignified’ and ‘graceful’ as women. This is totally unrealistic and confusing!” 8W. “Men don’t seem to realize that the women want some challenges in life outside of the home which they can call ‘their own’” stated both married as well as single women. A professional woman put it this way: “It is OK to be at home and take care of the family. But today we are educated and exposed to numerous cultural, educational and career opportunities. We cannot be ‘caged up’ physically, emotionally or mentally and told “you can’t go here or there by yourself!” After all, this is the twenty first century!”

Here are some of the concerns of the Armenian men. 1M. Armenian men pointed out that Armenian women like to be pampered and guided, instead of acting more proactively as women of the dominant US culture. One complained: “The women want all the luxuries of a traditional relationship and wedding, but they don’t want the responsibility and necessary conduct that accompanies that traditional way of life.” This created a dichotomy for them: If the men are seen as leading the relationship then they are considered heavy handed. If they do not act proactively, then they are seen as not having the courage to make tough decisions. A professional stated: “I just can’t figure out what they want!” 2M. The men seemed to think that the Armenian women tend to pull the husband (or a future husband) towards their side of the family. “All she was taking about is her family and how we should take care of them! What about our family and children? Who will take care of them? After all, our family is our first responsibility,” complained a divorced Armenian male professional. 3M. Armenian men observed that they were taking care of a greater number of chores outside of the home which men of the dominant culture did not have to. This was because the Armenian women did not want to take on such responsibilities, especially where arguments and confrontations were involved. This left the men with less time to take care of family chores inside the home. 4M. Armenian men pointed out that Armenian women generally do not try to take care of themselves after not only marriage, but even after the engagement. After the initial meeting, the men seemed to think that the pressure is placed upon them as men to continuously charm and please the women. Furthermore, the men thought that the women are very easily influenced by the latest “talk show fads.” In the opinion of some men, this placed all sorts of new and unreasonable demands and pressures upon their relationship. 5M. Armenian men considered themselves as ‘doers’ rather than ‘talkers.’ They emphasized the greater need to act and resolve a situation rather than to talk about it. “By the time other men have decided how to talk about an issue, we have already taken action and resolved it. If you got to do it than just do it!,” stated a father of two. They did not feel it is important to concern the women with minor issues that can be resolved. If they shared some worries with the women, they were afraid that the women would worry unnecessarily. 6M. Armenian men felt that there are certain relationship and family issues that are not negotiable. However, they pointed out that women become very emotional about certain subjects and thus make discussions with them impossible. 7M. Just as Armenian women seemed to be frustrated by Armenian men, likewise the Armenian men seemed to be frustrated by Armenian women. A number of men pointed out: “Armenian women like to play ‘hard-to-get’ with Armenian men. It seems that if you are an Armenian male, you have to be questioned, scrutinized and even interrogated about your income, status, family and future. On the other hand, the same women go out with males of the dominant US culture without subjecting them to the same level of scrutiny. It is as though we are held up to a higher standard and placed under greater pressure because we are Armenian men.” 8Ma. The need for the Armenian women to work outside of the home seemed plausible to Armenian men. In fact many women already do. The issue on the part of men seemed to center on the need for the women to focus their effort on taking care of the family. “Armenian women in this country don’t seem to take their child nurturing role seriously,” is the consensus among some Armenian men. A number of them claimed: “The women of previous generations were more willing to take upon themselves the challenge of nurturing and raising their children. Today’s women seem to be more preoccupied with their appearance and social status.” 8Mb. In private, some men confided of a difficult issue with immigrant families. When a family arrives in the US, the males have to work at whatever positions are available just to take care of the family needs. This gives the women a greater opportunity and luxury to study the language and further their education. However, “Once she completed her education, she got a higher paying position than mine, and suddenly, I am no longer ‘good enough’ or ‘cultured enough’ for her,” explained a divorced man with three children. http://www.hopeforfamily.org/changemw.html

Vigil please tell me, if tables were reversed and Armenians had all the Media and control over information, are you telling me we be using that to end the hunger in Somalia? Or we be doing exactly what they do, working for our National security! If there is a lesson need to be learned then there is not a better lesson then this one, this is not heaven nor do we live in an ideal world where truth and honesty have little or no values. Your assumption above has nothing to do for solving our own National concerns.

Let me understand this correctly, here in the Armenian forum where we have to firstly discuss and share ideas to make our Nation prosperous so we all maybe can benefit from it, and now we have to discuss Mexicans vs. Jews? What in the hell those this have to do with us anyways? How does it unite you and me? Based on common hate and racism? Yes Azat I agree with you, it’s much more stupid and equally resist

Arpa, did you ever come across this site? I found to be very informative and might be very educational http://www.armenianhighland.com

http://www.halfmoon-resort.com/resort/

Amy jan, check the discovery chanal often,thats where got to know about those. also on google do some searching, I'm sure there are lots of information regarding this, Caligula was know in Rome as "madnam" for his extavanate lavish parties, he drayned rome from its trasurty for above mantioned reasons and senators had to kill him after 4 years from him becoming an emperor there is a movie which was made by Bob Guchiony 1980 starring peter o tool and many famuos acters, but I should advise you not to watch this movie.

Vahe, Robinson was so lonely in his island (accept for native goats) he fell in love and had a "relationships" with them. It’s very widely known, in case of Caligula he experienced every despicable act (sexual) including sleeping with his horse, its very well documented but seldom talked about.

The day after the wedding groom’s family sends a truck load of red apples to bride’s house. do you know why?

I think it is know as "Merelots"

Single most contributing nation to "green house effect" is USA, this is much more then China India and Pakistan combined, to say the list, changing "habits” or courses for turnaround would be fundamental requirements in US case, such as lifestyles and the way this is "subsidized" to this culture. For this reason I think scenario which I mentioned would be very hypothetical and unlikely.

ArmenSarg, how is destroying a city which has million or more population is not hypothetical, and recycling would be?

I think it would be more appropriate to ask that question to Robinson Crusoe and Calicula. PS. dont ask me to explain why, please

eh apsos merav Varpet@, te che hastat kshaher

we enjoyed more watching TB- Flames game then lakers-wolfs way to go Vava jan, congrads it's aboot time Canadian team win the Stanly cup

Biography Khachik Dashtents (Tonoyan Khachik Tonoevitch) – a famous Armenian writer, poet, and translator – was born into a shepherd’s family on April 15, 1909 in the village of Dashtayan of Sasun vilayet in Western Armenia. Later he chose his literary pseudonym according to his village’s name – Dashtents. Dashtents witnessed a lot of suffering through the hard roads that led him from the Sasun Mountains to Eastern Armenia, and he finally took refuge in the orphanage of the American Mission of Alexandropol (later Leninakan, currently Gyumri), where he received his early education. In 1932 Dashtents graduated from the Yerevan State University, and in 1940 – from the English Language department of the Moscow Institute of Foreign Languages. Since his first steps in literature Dashtents has been one of Armenia’s favorite authors. From an early age Dashtents absorbed the fables, every day life, traditions – all the ethos of the Armenian nation – and it became a base for creation of the epic prose to which he dedicated his life. In his novels “Khodedan” (1950) and "Call of Plowmen" Dashtents pictured the tragedy of western Armenians during the years of World War I (1914-1918), who suffered from the genocide of Armenians in Turkey. He also wrote the historical drama “Tigran the Great” in 1947.Dashtents is also the author of poetry anthologies “The Book of Songs” (1932), “Spring Songs” (1934), “Flame” (1936), “Highland Flowers” (1963), where he describes the everyday life of his motherland – Armenia. Dashtents is also famous for his translations of Shakespeare’s tragedies and comedies, and “The Song of Hiawatha” – H.W. Longfellow’s poem

Unfortunate, but this is a age old reality human kind has faced over its existence, gradually and thru times concept of what old Greek idea of democracy had been manipulated over the times just like the holly books, but its a mystery however how human mind can develop and "progress" over times giving the total freedom, in this case the under the umbrella of "democracy" to thrive. Man kind intend to head just for the opposite direction, speaking of violence, and what or how much man kind is capable of, look thru the centuries of its existence and there is no shortage of "creativity" I remember seeing “bowling for columbine” I wish this was made by someone else, however, attitude of its government does reflect the attitude of its people (in this case violence in USA). I ask you, do you think government and religious public figures like Jerry farTwell, who goes on 60 minutes and makes a statement such as “Islam is a religion of terror and Mohamed was a terrorist” is helping for a gentler Nation? Less violent Nation? Collective and organized Violence in the name of what? Humanity? God! And same can be said about radicals of every religion. That’s what it is, the good old God, Allah, Buddha, who has been used and God is continues to be used as a weapon, 70 million of evangelical Christians in this country are supportive of such a violent statement by this man, and you tell me if this has positive affect as far as reducing violence here in a USA, personally this kind of brainwashing makes me sick to my stomach!!! As long as those voices who oppose and needs to be heard are continue to be silenced. We are governed by natural law after all, when there is a matter then there must be always antimatter for human survival.

Chorni jan dont you know you cant throw a party without me bleesing it first?