McCarthyiologist

Yes in fact, but unfortunitly, Apply will go after any new processors they can find, and right now, IBM "G5" is the only one... But a normal home user, still pay the prize to have a Mac, so I don't think that will stop them.

Knight of Armenia, would you be glad to tell me what the hell your answer has to do with the genocide in itself ? Since your first post was about denying it. And furthermore, why having called yourself "Knight of Armenia" ?

1- Once a minority collabrates with the enemy occupation powers and fights against the country it's living in, that is called a "treason". However, if you insist that it's a "conqured nation", even after 700 years of cheek-to-cheek living with Turks and other minorities in the area, then consider it a "war against Ottoman empire". (Not the mention the fact that there was no Armenian state when Turks arrived at the area) First of all, the Ottoman empire was not a country, being not a country, it loses every right to claim its protection from a minority, because it was an Empire, an empire is maintained on conquest and massacres. Furthermore, there was no Amernian state at those periods, because the concept of state did not really exist at that period, this claim is used by ignorants such as you, and even used by so-called professionals such as McCarthy, during those periods Empires emerged by conquest, some areas were independent, some were not, what distiguished an area was its native population, and not if whatever or not there was any state or not. As for "treason", the word "treason" could not be applied in away for any subject waiting an empire, because there is no such concept of citizenship in the Ottoman empire, but rather the concept of Milleti and "Subject" a "Subject" can not commit treason, because the relationship between the subject and the "master" is not by choice but by obligation. If you take a hostage, and the hostage escape and alert authorities, you can't call him a traitor, because the relationship between the criminal that you'd be and the hostage, is a one of the imposer and the imposed. So, in no way the Armenians could be traitors, because the Ottoman was not a country, there was no concept of equality based on some sort of concept similair to citizenship. In the same way, we can't call the many Circassian tribs, traitors, when they revolted against the Russian Empire. The differenciation is very important, and the uses of the word treason by any so-called specialist downgrade their own claims, because the usage of the word demonstrate an ignorance from their parts of the notion of "treason." Another important point, you can't call "war" a fight between a minority and an empire, its like for example France that could decide to attack its Arabic minority, the disproportion is too much important to call it a war, its simply impossible, both in term of numbers and the sole definition of what a war is, and I don't think I need to developpe this subject any further, because I believe that you are intelligent anough to read few books about war, and compare it with the situation of the Armenian minority in the Ottoman empire. 2&3 - Armenians did indeed stage uprisings before the relocation process. That was the whole reason of relocation. 100 Turks in Zeytun in 1914, 3.000 Turks in Van events in 1915, and 20.000 Turks lost their lives 1914 — 1915, in Mus Events. Also the Armenians who joined the Russian Army against Ottoman empire, with their arms, committed collectively the guilt of being “ treacherous to the land “. Not to mention the revolts ince 1870s... The revolts "since" 1870 ? Give me any example of such revolts "starting" in 1870, if you can't, excuse yourself for having typed such a compleat nonesense, the said revolt activities started when the Ottoman entered in the Erzeroon Cathedral to allegedly find arms, and butchered those in, destroying anything they could, at the end there was no arm found. And since you though you were enough knowledgeble of the subject you think you can discuss about, I would give you the opportunity to search the date yourself, from your Turkish sources. Because the only thing before that, was the war of 1877-1878, that ended up with the Treaty of Berlin, that BTW was never respected by the Ottoman empire, that war, was a war like many others, between empires, minorities can take positions or not, that does not make any difference, it does not make them traitors, because this is one of the prizes to pay when you build an empire and have subjects under your hand, if you can't accept that, you just don't build an empire. Another thing, I am in my knowledge the only one, recognising the genocide, that prefer to call the deplacement of the Armenians, "relocation" rather than "deportation," because the word relocation in itself is an evidences that what happened in fact was a genocide. Deportation allude that the Armenians were pushed out of the Ottoman, this word goes better with the European Jews that were deported from Europe inside the concentration camps, pushed out from many countries, such as Italia, France, etc... the other part, those in Germany, the word relocation would fit better... there was no "deportation" of the Armenians, because the Armenians were not pushed outside from the Ottoman. What happened is that the Armenians had their circulation permits destroyed, they had no right to leave the Ottoman empire, they were relocated in the desert, many names of the concentration camps were given in Turkey.com by the alias Yolla(all of the posts being deleted, against the UN charter of freedom of opinion). I'm sure you have seen them, since I already know you come from there. The World is such a little place, right ? So calling it "relocation" bring evidences that it was an extermination, because they were relocated in the desert, and not deported in the exterior. Yolla as well has presented a work studying concentration camps in history in Turkey.com, the work in the chapter covering the Armenian genocide, present the difference of the concentration camps put in place by the Ottoman empire, and any other concentration camps known in all history. The authors of the work(none are Armenian BTW, you know it, because you probably have read this fact by Yolla) writes that unlike any other concentration camps, the Armenian concentration camps, had one perpuses, and always had one, and it was to exterminate the Armenians, while the concentration camps of NAZI Germany, were first build for isolation, than they were modified. I can treat about the subject of Van, Mush and any other locations you refer, if you want to be butchered intellectualy, go ahead be my guest, but if you decide to discuss about the matter, give me a garanty that you won't run away on the middle of the discussion. 4 - You are speculating. Armenian patriarche and missinories were fast enough to contact outer powers (Britain , US etc.) accuse Ottoman with a genocide taking place in eastern Anatolia . There's no rationale behind keeping the Istanbul ARmenians in place if Ottoman had really desired a genocide. Powers like Britain was in war with Ottoman at that time already, there's no reason for keeping the diplomacy up anyways. In addition, keep in mind that Istanbul was not the only place that Armenians are not relocated. Istanbul Armenians had to be deported and exterminated like the rest, your claim is a myth brough by ignorants, or forger of history like McCarthy(fervant defenser of this absurd claim). "Chargé d'affaires" of German embassacy. "According to a source worthy of faith, the Turkish gouvernment , contrary to all the promesses, decided to also deport the Armenians of Constantinople." AA Türkei 183/40, A33705 The German embassador Metternich in December 7, 1915 informed Germany that there was 30,000 Armenians of Istambul that were already deported, and added. "will evacuate gradually the 80,000 Armenians which still remains" AA Tütkei 183/40, A36184 "I even learned that the entirety of Constantinople Armenian population was to be deported" A. Refik, Iki Komite, iki Kital, Istambul, 1919, p.40 Ernst von Nahmer, correspondent of the Kölnische Zeitung, AA Türkei, 183/38, A30432, 5-6 Sep, 1915 "I have authentic information on the fact that the arrests are carried out completely arbitrarily. Prudence with which they are conducted explains by the presence of the ambassadors. Once that the mesures in force inside the country will have succeeded, the capital(Constantinople) will be next." The Ottoman just was not able to compleat the final stage by wipping out the Armenians from Istanbul, because the minorities like the Armenians were controling Instanbul economy, and that since the government was controled from there, it would have been very irresponsable to pass to plan Ex.(plan to exterminate those Armenians by sending them to the concentration camps). But the documents are abund, and they demonstrate that a considerable part of the Armenians there were "evactuated" and that it should have been done gradually to not disturb the capital city, there was as well the fact that the various embassies from other countries were situated there. Later, the Ottoman was not able to compleat the task, the allies occupied the city, but still, gradually the genocide persued taking another form, before 1915, the Armenians were constituing near 20 % of the population of Istanbul, now they represent less than 0.1 % of the population, if thats not a compleated work, what it is then ? 5- Well, maybe they're not convinced because there's no evidence. Be my guest, try me, say there is no evidence, what I ask you to do is not be a chicken and escape on the middle of the conversation, or start attacking me by telling how more intelligent you are, or how I am an idiot etc... like every other Turks before you. I dare you to prove me that what I present are not evidences, I give you the opportunity to refer me to any works, like I gave to any other denialists, you can bring me McCarthy, Shaw, Mango, who ever you want, when ever you want, and how you want it, the only thing I ask you is to have the face later to admit if you can't continue, that you can't continue the discussion because you don't have the knowledge, and that you are denying the genocide, not because you have done a study, but because you are a Turk, and that the victims were Armenians. So what you say ? Would you be my guest ? Regards, Knight of Armenia Yeh sure, and I'm Gengis Khan