Artur Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 A topic to discuss... Should women drive cars??? What kind of an idiot will proudly allow his wife to drive a car... i don't understand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 What don't you understand?I drive. Of course women can and should drive cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artur Posted October 3, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 A husband who doesn't care about his family will allow a woman drive. What if something happens to her wife? Then what will he do alone with kids... I had this russian guy whose wife died in car accident after driving a car for more than one month. Now whom to blame? Only him for being an idiot and having a 7 year old son and allowing his wife drive. Husbands are there to drive a car for wife to go to a supermarket or bazaar. At least there are taxis everywhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Bleah.What happens if the man dies in a car accident? What is the mother going to do alone with the kids (who will do the groceries?)? Now whom to blame? It is her fault for allowing the husband to drive - she is such an idiot! Couldn't he just have taken the cab (they are there everywhere) or ridden the bike (cheap mode of transport - and work-out, too)? Such lame man (and woman)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artur Posted October 3, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Man's duty is to sacrafice himslef for the sake of the family. And man's duty is to work and take care of the family, wereas woman's duty is to take care of the children. Do you get the idea? And what is this, she allowed a husband to drive? Man is the host in the family, and he decides and he takes care of the financial aspect of the family, and thats why it doesn't go the oposite way, and it will never go the opposite way in normal families... I have many kazakh and russian friends who let their wives or even daghters(!) drive. And it is not because they are busy working or whatsoever it is like a show off thing... like its cool to have a wife who is driving some top class car. hehe By the way Rose (whats your actual name?) are you married or do you have a father or brother? [ October 03, 2001: Message edited by: Artur ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Artur,What kind of narrow-minded Hyastansi garbage are you dishing out here? Women should have the same rights as men to drive and earn a living for the family. You think similar to the Taliban!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artur Posted October 3, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 And what kind of typical american westernised satanic and anti christian garbage are you defending here??? And what is this about talibans??? In which part of my post i discuss like talibans? Ooops, sorry, you have never read the bible have you? Well, lesson no. 1 for you: To the woman HE (GOD) said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." Wait i have a question, Are all armenians in the US have an american mentality or what??? Moreover, i think i've discussed the topic of equality between man and woman, i dont think that we should go back there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 I have not only read the Bible but have read many versions of the Bible. I have also read the earliest version of the Bible found buried in a sealed-off room in Saint Catherine's Monastery in the Sinai. That which is not the traditional view is satanic to those who are living in the dark. The ugly truth is that the primary disciple of Christ was a woman and was held by Jesus to be the most enlightened of all his disciples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artur Posted October 3, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 quote:Originally posted by khodja:The ugly truth is that the primary disciple of Christ was a woman and was held by Jesus to be the most enlightened of all his disciples.What is your point here?And about bible, what was the point of reading it, if you don't believe in what is said in there? Your phrase: That which is not the traditional view is satanic to those who are living in the darkWhat a nonsence ))... This is how you find out whatis satanic: Look at american society in general, then try to compare to the laws and rules which are written in bible. And the most funniest thing will come up: everything will be opposite to the laws of bible. Just try... and if something is opposite to the laws of HOLY bible then it would be regarded as satanic, wouldn't it?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 The "holy" Bible was compiled in the third century. Many important chapters, written by disciples, were discarded. It was designed to reflect the views of those in power in the Church at the time. The Desponsyi, blood relatives of Jesus, were not consulted and were banished from the Church hierarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Artur,Remember few days ago you talked about your Afghan friend who felt that women should not get an education and you did bring up an example of the woman doctor... What is the difference? Oh ya, and where in the bible does it say that you and I can drive cars? You need help my friend. You need to be leaving the 18th century where you live in and slowly move on forward. 19th Century will have many interesting surprises for you. Azat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artur Posted October 3, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 I don't understand why you all get paranoid when there are issues in which women shouldn't do some things... what's wrong with it... there some things women shouldn't do, but man can, and VICE VERSA ... Azat you call it moving forward... funny... so you are like civilised people... civilised in what way? tell me what is civilisation in your eyes... being immoral, adopting disgusting lifestyle... oh, please, don't tell me that nowadays society is more moral and pure than 200 years back, lets say in Armenia. And bout bible, no it doesn't say about cars, but it says that man should take care of his family, and he should be a host, and the last word is to be his word. Azat, what is the connection between afghani friend post and women driving cars... i think you just misunderstood. But I'll make my point again. Women shouldn't be allowed to drive ONLY for safety reason, and it is nothing about disrespect. Don't get paranoid again... And for khodja, you moved to another topic... No comments... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Driving a car is a neccessity for women on these days. But what comes for safety, you all know better than me, that men make more accidents than women, not the ''boum-boum'' chit-chat accidents, the dangerous, deadly ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Artur:Man's duty is to sacrafice himslef for the sake of the family. And man's duty is to work and take care of the family, wereas woman's duty is to take care of the children. Do you get the idea? No, I reject it. It is the woman's duty to work for the family while the man cooks, sweeps, drops the children off to school, etc. quoteAnd what is this, she allowed a husband to drive? Man is the host in the family, and he decides and he takes care of the financial aspect of the family, and thats why it doesn't go the oposite way, and it will never go the opposite way in normal families...I come from a normal family - you come from a conservative and conventional family. Nobody in my household, male or female, tells the other what to do. Decisions are made together. I reject the idea of patrimony where the guys are to rule just becuase they are born with something different between their legs. It's like a military dictatorship; nobody has elected you. The only difference is that the dictator may have some qualifications; the husband doesn't always. quoteI have many kazakh and russian friends who let their wives or even daghters(!) drive. And it is not because they are busy working or whatsoever it is like a show off thing... like its cool to have a wife who is driving some top class car. heheI forgot - were you Armenian or Saudi?Well, my family allows me to use a computer, too. And it's not like I need it desperately for work. It's mostly for school and some fun. quote:By the way Rose (whats your actual name?) are you married or do you have a father or brother?I am 21 years old and not married. I have a father, one brother, a boyfriend (several - LOL), and my name is Filiz, but you can call me Thorny. quote:Originally posted by khodja:Artur,What kind of narrow-minded Hyastansi garbage are you dishing out here? Women should have the same rights as men to drive and earn a living for the family. You think similar to the Taliban!!!!!!!!!!Make that "Islamic fundamentalists in general." quote:Originally posted by Artur:And what kind of typical american westernised satanic and anti christian garbage are you defending here???Freedom for all - including the right to choose to marry a conservative dweeb like you. No forcing one ideology on another person, etc. Not everybody is a Christian like you to agree that these concepts are Satanic. quote:And what is this about talibans??? In which part of my post i discuss like talibans? Ooops, sorry, you have never read the bible have you? Well, lesson no. 1 for you:To the woman HE (GOD) said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."How cave-manly! quote:Wait i have a question,Are all armenians in the US have an american mentality or what???From what I have seen, yeah - except for Tiggy III. quoteMoreover, i think i've discussed the topic of equality between man and woman, i dont think that we should go back there...So summarize it for those who have missed it (actually, no need to - it is quite obvious)... Or post the url to the topic so we can read what you wrote. quote:Originally posted by Artur:What is your point here?And about bible, what was the point of reading it, if you don't believe in what is said in there? Your phrase: That which is not the traditional view is satanic to those who are living in the darkWhat a nonsence Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Vartanoush??? You said someting??? Koulahum gevshemish eyi duymiyorum artuk Kousouruma bakmayiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 I said a lot of things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 That was yesterday darling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 The Christian fundamentalists and the Moslem fundamentalists have a lot in common. They both want women to be subservient to their husbands and they want a rigid society where having enjoyment is a sin. No singing, no dancing, etc. unless under the auspices of a religious leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artur Posted October 4, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Thorny, yo, thats some tuff staff. A girl who has several boyfriends and have a father and brother... well, no comments. Haha... are planning to merry, or what? :: ))) Am I Saudi? No, 100% armenian Are you russian? I am sure you are. That's some russian mentality you are defending. Do you invite your boyfriends to your house? And i am sure your father is too excited to meet new boyfriends every week doesn't he? :: )))) Azat, Women and men can not be equal. Women should be treated in anyways better than man! You don't believe what i say don't you? But it is, and women should be protected by men in the family. As i see my duty in the future to take care of my family, and i'll do everything that they won't be in any danger. But it is too risky to have a wife driving a car, and i hope you understand my point. It is about care it is about respect. Azat, technologies and religion has got nothing to do with each other. About bible, i ask God to give me a faith to follow everything in bible. But every and each of us a sinner. But i am trying... And your opinion about hiding behind a religion is groundless... Women should do and can do anything and everything that you and I can do No comments... western mentality... If a woman has a husband, there it is for husband to tell her what to do... Geez... will you go against the will of your husband? Now i understand why in the US the divorce rate is so high. having wives like... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Artur:Thorny, yo, thats some tuff staff. A girl who has several boyfriends and have a father and brother... well, no comments. Haha... are planning to merry, or what? :: ))) That was the humour part of it... But I DO have a virtual harem-in-reverse. quoteAm I Saudi? No, 100% armenian Are you russian?Nope. I think you know how to read - where does it say I am from below? Other than that, I am half Circassian - get it? I'm a Circassian tease! HAHAHAHA! quoteI am sure you are.Just showed you how wrong you can be, yet you can be "sure"... quoteThat's some russian mentality you are defending.I am not defending someone who is trying to stop you from exercising your right. quoteDo you invite your boyfriends to your house?Bedroom included. quoteAnd i am sure your father is too excited to meet new boyfriends every week doesn't he? :: ))))No, I've had only one boyfriend so far - and my father thought it was long OVERdue. quoteAzat, Women and men can not be equal.Yes, they can. quoteWomen should be treated in anyways better than man!And in ways worse than, no? "Don't drive a car!" Nobody buys that centuries-old shit with the kissing hand of the lady, flattering her flat but not letting her vote or even own property! (I wonder what you have to say about those!) quoteYou don't believe what i say don't you? But it is, and women should be protected by men in the family.Why? Are there beasts out there to tear us apart? Do you protect female members of your family from rape by not allowing them to drive? quoteAs i see my duty in the future to take care of my family, and i'll do everything that they won't be in any danger.Again, what danger? Beasts? Do you live in the jungle? quoteBut it is too risky to have a wife driving a car, and i hope you understand my point.I don't understand your point. If you teach well, everyone and anyone can drive well. On the other hand, if you put down the person, they will be discouraged. My boyfriend and I got our driving licenses at the same time. However, I was given a head-start by my father, and I happened to drive around more frequently than he did, when his father wouldn't allow him to drive in the dark/at night. (Later, he "coached" him some, too, and now he can drive on the highway as well, whereas I haven't had the chance to have that experience. It is a matter of opportunity and CARE.) quoteIt is about care it is about respect.No, I think it is about being "rabiz" (as I remember Naira saying). quote:Azat, technologies and religion has got nothing to do with each other. About bible, i ask God to give me a faith to follow everything in bible. But every and each of us a sinner. But i am trying... And your opinion about hiding behind a religion is groundless...Religion should be about soul - not about society. quote:Women should do and can do anything and everything that you and I can doNo comments... western mentality... If a woman has a husband, there it is for husband to tell her what to do...That just reminds me - no comment about my "dictator" analogy but yes comment about my boyfriend? quoteGeez...Go wash your mouth - how American, how degenerate! quotewill you go against the will of your husband?I would. I hardly ever regret something I do, a decision I make. It is when I have listened to other people that I have regreted what I have done - listening to them, their "advice," just that. By your way, I am supposed to put aside my thoughts, my wisdom, and listen to my husband?? Get a life! Who is a husband, anyway? Not a master, and a wife isn't a slave (sorry to burst your bubble). quoteNow i understand why in the US the divorce rate is so high. having wives like...Gosh, isn't a person allowed to object?? I'd rather have a divorce than set aside my individuality, live an unhappy life while I have to fake smiles to the outside world. Of course, with "rabiz" guys, it is different. You have indoctrination with which to numb yourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artur Posted October 4, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Nope. I think you know how to read - where does it say I am from below? Other than that, I am half Circassian - get it? HAHAHAHA! Wow, from your posts you are none... not an armenian, not a circassian. Do you know how strict the circassians are? Just showed you how wrong you can be, yet you can be "sure"... Your mentality is similat to russian one, and russians are famous for... so, i thought you are Bedroom included. Well, your jokes are not funny, but shows what kind of person you are ... No, I've had only one boyfriend so far Don't worry i am sure you'll have many boyfriends before you marry some guy who wouldn't care what kind of mother his children would have... Yes, they can. In every situation? No! In family? No! Why? Are there beasts out there to tear us apart? I have sisters... and several times i had to crash the jaws of some idiots who were doing some stupid staff. Do you think the world we are living is perfect? You live in Turkey, right? You should know... No, I think it is about being "rabiz" (as I remember Naira saying). Explain what you mean by rabiz, and what Naira meant. Rabis (rabochee iskusstvo) means working art. Go wash your mouth - how American, how degenerate! Nice joke, but look who is talking ... I would Thats it... it explains everything... no comments... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Nope. I think you know how to read - where does it say I am from below? Other than that, I am half Circassian - get it? HAHAHAHA! Wow, from your posts you are none... not an armenian, not a circassian. Do you know how strict the circassians are? I do. Body exposure is taboo. So is pre-marital sex. But girls have plenty of boyfriends and boys have plenty of girlfriends before marriage, a practice that set Muslim Circassians apart from all other Muslim nations. Besides, I am myself before I am Turk, Circassian, whatever. I make my own choices - I don't have my ancestors making them for me. Just showed you how wrong you can be, yet you can be "sure"... Your mentality is similat to russian one, and russians are famous for... so, i thought you are I know nothing about Russians. What are they famous for? Bedroom included. Well, your jokes are not funny, but shows what kind of person you are ... I wasn't joking. And what kind of person am I? Come on, poochie poochie, don't be afraid; speak it out. No, I've had only one boyfriend so far Don't worry i am sure you'll have many boyfriends before you marry some guy who wouldn't care what kind of mother his children would have... What kind of mother would that be, poochie poochie? Yes, they can. In every situation? No! Yes! In family? No! Yes! Why? Are there beasts out there to tear us apart? I have sisters... and several times i had to crash the jaws of some idiots who were doing some stupid staff. Can't your sisters think and fend for themselves? No wonder you are led to believe about women in one way... Do you think the world we are living is perfect? You live in Turkey, right? You should know... And...? Your point is...? No, I think it is about being "rabiz" (as I remember Naira saying). Explain what you mean by rabiz, and what Naira meant. Rabis (rabochee iskusstvo) means working art. I asked Naira and she said it had to do with being a dick-head conservative. If it is wrong (or my memory fails me), well, I can use "dick-head conservative," too. Go wash your mouth - how American, how degenerate! Nice joke, but look who is talking ... No problem with me. I would Thats it... it explains everything... no comments... Explains what, poochie poochie? Come on, don't be afraid. Show us how much of a Christian man you are. Have you the testicles?Still no comments about my "dictatorship" analogy? Now THAT explains everything about YOU. I know I have not missed a target when one most specific, most critical point is being avoided. Ignore it a couple more times and I shall proclaim "knock-out"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Is your surname Talibanian??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 KHODJA TALIBANIAN!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 quote:Originally posted by khodja:The Christian fundamentalists and the Moslem fundamentalists have a lot in common. They both want women to be subservient to their husbands and they want a rigid society where having enjoyment is a sin. No singing, no dancing, etc. unless under the auspices of a religious leader.Yeah, what a bunch of wart-hogs.Later! Good night to y'all, boys (and gals)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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