Different Types Of Drunkennesses

[shiner]

Getting drunk on hard liquor makes one really f***ed up. Personally, it makes me angry, dumb, and even knocked out.

 

Getting drunk on beer makes one feel really jolly and energetic. Sometimes too much.

 

Getting drunk on wine makes me feel drunk but still myself. I'm neither to emotional, or messed up, or happy or sad. I'm drunk but I'm MYSELF.

 

What do you guys think?

[Sip]

I had 5 tequillas once ... it made me walk sorta funny but that was about it. Lasted about 30 minutes. In addition to walking funny, I remember saying a lot of stupid jokes and had a lot of people laughing at me ... emphesis on the "at". Edited September 5, 2004 by Seapahn

[bellthecat]

Getting drunk on love. That brew is hard to find, and I've almost forgotten its sweet taste. Show me where it's sold and I'll guzzle it 'till I'm full.

 

Getting drunk on hate - cheap and easy to find, foul tasting stuff, but there is plenty of it around, you can buy gallons of it on any street.

[gamavor]

Shiner, you are biased!

[gurgen]

Getting drunk on beer makes one feel really jolly and energetic. Sometimes too much.

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I always feel sick before this happens, so I have to stop drinking for a while or I'll puke.

[Azat]

been drunk only a few times in my lifetime. But the worst kind of being drunk is when you mix everything together.

 

Just thinking about it makes me want to give up drinking.

[gamavor]

Just thinking about it makes me want to give up drinking.

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Azat, do you know the famous Russian phrase: Piu s otvrashcheniem!

[Azat]

Azat, do you know the famous Russian phrase: Piu s otvrashcheniem!

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niet. ya ne gavaruy ruski.

what is that last word?

[Accelerated]

speaking of drinking, you guys should hear this funny story:

 

On his 16th bday one of my party animal friends drunk a WHOLE CASE of full strength beer (24 bottles * 375mL). Naturally, you cant fit that much fluid in your stomach: so he repeatedly spewed to make room . The second half of the case he was drinking (drinking/spewing) with HIS PANTS DOWN!

 

....I didnt know him back then so I only found out recently, but the story has been confirmed by people that were present. Hes done a lot of other insane sh!t, so I wasnt really surprised when I heard this

[Accelerated]

Getting drunk on beer makes one feel really jolly and energetic. Sometimes too much

 

I dont like getting drunk on beer: it makes me sweat and fills up my gut (difficult to dance etc.). Bourbon & Coke + shots of Bourbon/QF when I wanna get drunk.

[sev-mard]

How long before this thread is turned into a discussion of how Black people somehow are responsible for Armenians discussing drunkeness? Any bets? <_<

 

p.s. Funny answers by the way.

Edited September 7, 2004 by sev-mard

[Nakharar]

How long before this thread is turned into a discussion of how Black people somehow are responsible for Armenians discussing drunkeness? Any bets?

 

p.s. Funny answers by the way.

 

I can't see how, but I wouldn't be too surprised.

 

How is this for a starter: Black people snatch our womenfolk away and make us insecure of our virility. That's why we are resorting to booze.

[gurgen]

Naturally, you cant fit that much fluid in your stomach

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False. A friend of ours won the St. Petersburg drinking contest with 13 litres. 'Av it

[sev-mard]

I can't see how, but I wouldn't be too surprised.

 

How is this for a starter: Black people snatch our womenfolk away and make us insecure of our virility. That's why we are resorting to booze.

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Judges: ?

Black Judge: Um....90 pts for the answer's substance, but only 5 creative points because we've heard that one before in some fashion.

[Nakharar]

Judges: ?

Black Judge: Um....90 pts for the answer's substance, but only 5 creative points because we've heard that one before in some fashion. 

 

If only they could put it in such a nice way as mine.

[sev-mard]

That would be hard to do, but I'm sure there are "scholars" up to the challenge.

[Vigil]

How long before this thread is turned into a discussion of how Black people somehow are responsible for Armenians discussing drunkeness? Any bets? 

 

p.s. Funny answers by the way.

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Sev-mard, I am not the one claiming that Armenians are victims, but last time I checked it was you that was labeling everyone a "racists". Furthermore, yes, black people are responsible for the moral degeneration of the Armenian culture in the States due to the fact that it is their music that is morally degeneration society in general. It is not like I am actively seeking out "African-Americans" in a attempt to cling myself to a culture because I, as a Armenian, have a place where I belong in the world stage, but you on the other don't have that luxury.

 

I still don't get what you are? Are you Caribbean? Black? American? White? Armenian? Mulatto? Mestizo? What are you? See you would have earned my respect if you did not try to learn Armenian and make it a point that even if you "marry" that Armenian girl her children will retain the Armenian culture because, frankly, it would be better for Armenians to go extinct then to be reduced to mulattos. Furthermore, I will never ever consider you, your children, and your grandchildren Armenian, so, let us stop these games of cat and mouse.

 

I am not blaming my people’s problems on African-Americans so stop insinuating that, but rather I just do not like the fact that you think you can just prance in here and be a part of the Armenian because it takes more then that. I AM PRETTY SURE IF I WERE TO GO TO A AFRICAN FORUM AND TRY TO DO WHAT YOU ARE DOING I WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN BANNED, so, stop putting up this innocent facade of how your intentions are "noble".

 

You actions are the catalyst of the assimilation of my people, but seeing as to how you have no "culture" of your own, most likely, your children will gravitate towards the Armenian culture, but in no way will I, as a Armenian, accept them because Armenians are "white" not "black".

 

Anyways, I am not being "racist" because most people in the world are racist, but because they want to be PC, which is due to the obvious social castration they will face, they will most likely bite their tongues. I, on the other hand, could give a flying *** what people think.

 

If I was racist I would hate all African-Americans, but I don't. The only ones I have a problem with are African-Americans like you that try to infiltrate other cultures in a naive attempt to "move up" on the social hierarchy. If I was African I would be totally ashamed that you as an African are more adamant in learning about Armenia, rather then your own roots. Tell me Sev-Mard if you are so "Ethnocentric" and love "black culture" why the hell don't you marry an African-American? Why are you camping this board like you are this hardcore patriotic Armenian and please do not tell me otherwise because you already have the nerve to talk as if you are this experienced Armenian?

 

DON"T DELETE THIS POST! HE PUSHED MY BOTTONS AND I WANT HIM TO RESPOND! IF ANYONE SHOULD BE BANNED IT SHOULD BE HIM! AND IF YOU ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BAN ME A FULL BLOODED ARMENIAN RATHER THEN SOME "AFRICAN" IT GOES TO SHOW THAT, INDEED, ARMENIANS LIKE THE MODERATORS ARE THE CAUSE OF OUR PROBLEMS. HE OPENED THE CAN OF WORMS AND NOW I WANT HIM TO DEAL WITH IT. IF ANYONE USES THE BANDWAGON APPROACH BE FOREWARNED THAT I WILL NOT BE SO “NICE”.

 

PLEASE SEV-MARD RESPOND because this has gone behind just having a debate. It is already obvious I do not like you and what you represent, but do it in ways that do not insinuate racism because I AM NTO RACIST. This is the same kind of bullshit African-Americans pulled during the civil rights push in which they called white woman racist if they did not sleep with them, so, do not make this a question about race.

 

I just do not like you and your actions. If I was to use your logic, then, I can label anyone a racist if they had preferences for the opposite sex, furthermore, there is no way in hell you can convince me that there is such a thing as a half Black Armenian because intellectuals have unanimously agreed that there is no such thing because You are either white, black, or a mulatto.

Edited September 7, 2004 by Vigil

[sev-mard]

Sev-mard, I am not the one claiming that Armenians are victims, but last time I checked it was you that was labeling everyone a "racists". Furthermore, yes, black people are responsible for the moral degeneration of the Armenian culture in the States due to the fact that it is their music that is morally degeneration society in general. It is not like I am actively seeking out "African-Americans" in a attempt to cling myself to a culture because I, as a Armenian, have a place where I belong in the world stage, but you on the other don't have that luxury.

 

I still don't get what you are? Are you Caribbean? Black? American? White? Armenian? Mulatto? Mestizo? What are you? See you would have earned my respect if you did not try to learn Armenian and make it a point that even if you "marry" that Armenian girl her children will retain the Armenian culture because, frankly, it would be better for Armenians to go extinct then to be reduced to mulattos. Furthermore, I will never ever consider you, your children, and your grandchildren Armenian, so, let us stop these games of cat and mouse.

 

I am not blaming my people’s problems on African-Americans so stop insinuating that, but rather I just do not like the fact that you think you can just prance in here and be a part of the Armenian because it takes more then that. I AM PRETTY SURE IF I WERE TO GO TO A AFRICAN FORUM AND TRY TO DO WHAT YOU ARE DOING I WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN BANNED, so, stop putting up this innocent facade of how your intentions are "noble".

 

You actions are the catalyst of the assimilation of my people, but seeing as to how you have no "culture" of your own, most likely, your children will gravitate towards the Armenian culture, but in no way will I, as a Armenian, accept them because Armenians are "white" not "black".

 

Anyways, I am not being "racist" because most people in the world are racist, but because they want to be PC, which is due to the obvious social castration they will face, they will most likely bite their tongues. I, on the other hand, could give a flying *** what people think.

 

If I was racist I would hate all African-Americans, but I don't. The only ones I have a problem with are African-Americans like you that try to infiltrate other cultures in a naive attempt to "move up" on the social hierarchy. If I was African I would be totally ashamed that you as an African are more adamant in learning about Armenia, rather then your own roots. Tell me Sev-Mard if you are so "Ethnocentric" and love "black culture" why the hell don't you marry an African-American? Why are you camping this board like you are this hardcore patriotic Armenian and please do not tell me otherwise because you already have the nerve to talk as if you are this experienced Armenian?

 

DON"T DELETE THIS POST! HE PUSHED MY BOTTONS AND I WANT TO RESPOND! IF ANYONE SHOULD BE BANNED IT SHOULD BE HIM! AND IF YOU ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BAN ME A FULL BLOODED ARMENIAN THEN SOME "AFRICAN"  IT GOES TO SHOW THAT, INDEED, ARMENIANS LIKE THE MODERATORS ARE THE CAUSE OF ARMENIANS. HE OPENED THE CAN OF WORMS AND NOW I WANT HIM TO DEAL WITH IT. IF ANYONE USES THE BANDWAGON APPROACH BE FOREWARNED THAT I WILL NOT BE SO “NICE”.

 

PLEASE SEV-MARD RESPOND because this had gone behind just having a debate. It is already obvious I do not like you and what you represent, but do it in ways that do not insinuate racism because I AM NTO RACIST. This is the same kind of bullshit African-Americans pulled during the civil rights push in which they called white woman racist if they did not sleep with them, so, do not make this a question about race.

 

I just do not like you and your actions. If I was to use your logic, then, I can label anyone a racist if they had preferences for the opposite sex, furthermore, there is no way in hell you can convince me that there is such a thing as a half Black Armenian because intellectuals have unanimously agreed that there is no such thing because You are either white, black, or a mulatto.

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I'm not labeling anyone a racist. I don't camp around here as an "Armenian patriot" I rarely even post now in comparison to what I used to post. I don't "need" to infiltrate your culture as a means to uplift myself, no disprespect but affiliating with Armenians doesn't help me any. What would I gain out of that?

 

You can claim to not like my intentions, but that doesn't really bother me. Seeing as my intentions are only to myself and those important to me, of which you are not. I'm not playing the race card, you are playing the race card, again and again.

 

These Blacks that you speak of don't come here, and yet you batter them. Why not deal with the one who is here, who is me. I don't do the things you speak of, look the way you assume, and degrade those about me in an attempt to shake my shackles of blackness and put on Armenian ones? Please guy, you can't be serious. I'm here for the reasons I've always stated, it gives me a chance to interact with Armenians, a chance to learn another language, one that I'll use to communicate with my girl, her and my friends, in my comfort level. I don't bring negativity to this forum, I don't bring assine blackness, as you've said I'll leave that to ignorant Armenians who already have a culture of their own but instead choose to imitate one I find myself stupid. I know who I am, the fact that you don't know who I am is fine with me. Because you'd most likely continue to project these images you have on to me. The black scurge that you speak of exists, and I despise that image too, but I'm not him. And the fact that I'm not the Black of your ire makes it even worse.

I'm not trying to be anything I'm not, I am what I am. Believe me buddy my being here is a tribute to my girl and my other Armenian friends, I'm into learning about what everyone has to offer, don't flatter yourself and think I pick Armenians to try and infiltrate. Thank my girl for turning me on to different paths of knowledge, history, culture and expression.

 

I don't care if I haven't earned your respect yet, I don't. You're a guy on the other side of an internect connection that wouldn't have anything to say to me in person.

 

I don't try and make my intentions noble, because I know what I'm doing here during my time on the planet Earth, and what you have to say about it is irrelevant.

 

With all that being said, I don't hate your views, it takes too much energy to hate a faceless talking mouth on the other end of my internet connection. I just think that you're like many black nationalist and other nationalist of different races that I've met. A lot of heat, a lot of redundancy and a penchant for alienating and attacking those around you(supposed brothers and sisters) with your diatribes on what being a True (insert nationality here) is.

 

As for the question that irks you so. Despite pride and interest in my blackness, I don't feel I'm totally defined by it. That is a personal opinon and everyone is entitled to it. I used to date only black women until almost like last year in college, I met this woman and I'm here now. My relationship with race, personal identity and making sense of this world operates in a degree where I don't have to beat myself to death over blackness, I have everyone else on Earth to do that for me.

 

I attempt to be a righteous person, a scholar, a loyal friend and a soldier when necessary. May how I walk be a show of fortitude to others who think Blacks are dirt, and I leave it at that. I try and walk a right walk, by my standards, and may it look well to those that are watching. But besides that, my mind is in places celestial, I don't beat myself to death worrying about what others have to say about me. Ban me, please do and just solidify whatever it is will make you happy. Have I violated any rules? I mean if this forum said that non-Armenian membership would be discouraged, I wouldn't have wasted my time. And I've been doing alright here until you were so taken aback by me. I'm indifferent to you, sure reading things you have to say are interesting at times/extreme and trite at others, I don't care about how hot you get. You're some guy getting all worked up over the net. Live real Life, go rep your people and get things done. I have friends in AYF, on the street, picketing, and the like. You must be superman because with all the time you're on line I don't think you're doing all of that.

 

My point in "provoking" you is that you're a whiner, and you always whine about black people. So I just assume you have a agenda and a favorite subject to hate, which is obviously black people. So I'm not calling you racist, and you get so worked up about it. I don't need to call people racist, you're wrong again Vigil, I'm not a crutch needing, lazy, watermelon eating black person. I'm not even going to tell you what I am, because you haven't tried to engage me, you're engaged this "image" that's burned into your head. There are other types of people. I'm doing what I can over here, why don't you go down to the Glendale Galleria and tell those guys to stop imitating the idiots in my race that I'm trying to change and maybe we can help each other out?

 

Be productive. Crying all day on the internet like a little baby.....

[Sip]

Sev-mard, I am not the one claiming that Armenians are victims, but last time I checked it was you that was labeling everyone a "racists".

 

Check again Hitler.

 

Sev-mard, I'm going to leave his post but please don't give him the time of day by replying. Please rest assured that as much as he wants to claim it, he is not the spokesperson for Armenians. I would be honored if all Armo's were as interested about Armenians as you are! You are in fact quite welcome on this forum.

 

Edit: Hahahhaa ... too late Man you black guys can run, jump, AND reply fast!

Edited September 7, 2004 by Seapahn

[sev-mard]

To Seap,

 

I mean he's acting like I don't know about the plight of black people, I'm out here daily in the streets dealing with others, and trying to show a new side of it. Of course it exists and black people don't have the best track record and public image. The way that changes is through people like me, so what is the problem?

 

Sure there are Armenian wife beating, recycle center fraud specialists, sean john suit wearing, lowered stolen M3 driving, hard vodka drinking Armenians. And if everyone thought and acted as if those where the only ones that walked the planet, things would never change. What more can you want? I'm not the guy you speak of, but you'd never know. The fact that I'm here proves it I believe. So hate that "gangsta image, womanizing nigga" because I hate him too.

[Vigil]

I'm not labeling anyone a racist. I don't camp around here as an "Armenian patriot" I rarely even post now in comparison to what I used to post. I don't "need" to infiltrate your culture as a means to uplift myself, no disprespect but affiliating with Armenians doesn't help me any. What would I gain out of that?

 

You can claim to not like my intentions, but that doesn't really bother me. Seeing as my intentions are only to myself and those important to me, of which you are not. I'm not playing the race card, you are playing the race card, again and again.

 

Sev-Mard, I can bring you statistics that show the ratio of Black men with White woman is MUCH HIGHER then the ratio to White men and Black females, which why I will never buy your innocent explanations of this holds not social impact on your life. Furthermore, yes, you would gain something and the that something is actually being part of a “group of people” rather then the bottom of barrel. Please, do not try to convince me otherwise I just do not buy and will never buy it.

 

NO, your intentions do affect me in that you are the indirect cause for the decline of my people. Like I stated the before, the chances of you finding an African-American companion outweighs those of me finding an Armenian companion in terms of numbers. If you can pick from at least 20 million I can only pick from the few thousand in my area. Furthermore, I will never directly “tap” into your market because frankly Armenian males have no connection with African females and even if I did decide to “get to know” a African female I would never claim that I am African or try to think that because I can wear a “Dashiki” then eventually I can replace the African male. You may tell me otherwise, but in essence that is what you are trying to do. I AM SURE THAT IN TWENTY YEARS FROM NOW, if things escalated to the point of “marriage” your children would mostly likely be encouraged to pursue their Armenian half because by default there is not African half. Eventually, this will marginalize and contaminate our gene pool and once this is done hundreds of years from now you will have Africans claiming that Armenians were “Black” like Jews now claim Armenians were Jews. Sorry, but how ever “nice” I try to be I just can not allow this to happen. I don’t want Armenians to be reduced to a mongrelized race because frankly race refers to only one group of people. I do not want Armenians to be born black, white, yellow, or brown because once this happens there are no Armenians in the world.

 

Lastly, any time a half black child is born, they are black. Any attempt to “categorize” them as White or in this case more specifically Armenian, is in vain because the color of their skin automatically pushes them into the black camp. Yes, you can consider yourself Armenia in hopes of being part of a culture, but in no way will you ever change the color of your skin and when most Armenians are white this creates a big problem

 

In short, I do not care what you do with your life or what that girl does, but please do not tell me it does affect me because seeing as to how half the Armenian population lives abroad, I, as a Armenian, have the God given right to give a dam. Furthermore, I get more mad when the rest of the Armenians on this board automatically consider you or your future descendents a “full fledged” Armenian without realizing that they are slowly lowering the standards of what it means to be a Armenian, thus, when the standards are low enough no attempt to preserve your ethnicity will be made by the youth because if indeed we become “mongrels” then why would I want to be a Armenian “mongrel” when I can be a American national?

 

These Blacks that you speak of don't come here, and yet you batter them. Why not deal with the one who is here, who is me. I don't do the things you speak of, look the way you assume, and degrade those about me in an attempt to shake my shackles of blackness and put on Armenian ones? Please guy, you can't be serious.

 

No, those blacks do not come, but the ideas and suggestions made here are taken very seriously by the Armenian youth. If I make it seem like there is no harm or loss if a Armenian male or female not only mixes with another ethnicity, but another race for that matter, then slowly they will stop “preserving” the culture all together. In fact this happening on a social scale where the Armenian community has made it ok to emulate black culture, thus, leading to the decline of the Armenian culture and people. To be honest I will most likely fall victim to the vices I preach, but at no point will I actually deem it ok and what makes me bring up this subject is the fact you think it is racism, when I feel it is necessary for survival. For you it could it seem like just another girl, but for me it means that there is one less Armenian being born in the world.

 

What shackles? You actually think that I find slavery a good thing? First of all, I think it is pointless for white Americans to remain pure because frankly they brought the Africans over here and colonized them, which is why a KKK member trying to remain “white” is pointless because of the shear fact that he is a American like the African-American. On the other hand, Armenians will always be known for being Armenians, they do not need to resort to be Americans because being American is a nationality in that it is a group of people from various different backgrounds uniting under one banner. Before I was American I was Armenian, but before an American was American he was American, so, he can not crucify or not mix with another American including a black American. The worse thing that could happen to me is that I decide to go back to my country, but a white and black American does not have that luxury because this is their country. Furthermore, numbers wise 1 million Armenian not mixing with 270 million Americans will not affect the gene pool or create any significant change, but 270 million Americans mixing with 1 million Armenians will signal the loss of a sixth of the Armenian population. Now, I do not know about you, but a loss of that magnitude overtime has a very negative affect on the population. This is why the death of the one and a half million Armenians has directly cause the decline of the Armenian population worldwide. If that loss did not happen there would have been A LOT more Armenians today, so, please do not tell me that I do not have a reason to care because I have all the right in the world to care seeing as to how serious the issue is. If everyone thought like your liberal girlfriend then I, as a Armenian would not exist today. I would most likely be worshiping Mecca five times and day in the boondocks of Iran, while at the same time reading the Koran in Persian.

 

I'm here for the reasons I've always stated, it gives me a chance to interact with Armenians, a chance to learn another language, one that I'll use to communicate with my girl, her and my friends, in my comfort level. I don't bring negativity to this forum, I don't bring assine blackness, as you've said I'll leave that to ignorant Armenians who already have a culture of their own but instead choose to imitate one I find myself stupid. I know who I am, the fact that you don't know who I am is fine with me. Because you'd most likely continue to project these images you have on to me. The black scurge that you speak of exists, and I despise that image too, but I'm not him. And the fact that I'm not the Black of your ire makes it even worse.

 

Yes, that is exactly my point. Even though you are telling me that you are not trying to replace the Armenian indirectly that is exactly what you are doing. You do not need to learn Armenian to communicate with your wife or her family because they have to accept for what you are, which is a Black Male from the Caribbean. This is the same reason why the conversion of Non-Jews to the Jewish is just as bogus as what you are trying to do. If Armenians want to accept you, then, they have to accept for you’re the color of your skin, not by how many languages you speak or how much you know about our culture. See, this is just another attempt to “fit in” or to make your decision seem more attractive, please, stop the innocent façade because I do not buy it.

 

I'm not trying to be anything I'm not, I am what I am. Believe me buddy my being here is a tribute to my girl and my other Armenian friends, I'm into learning about what everyone has to offer, don't flatter yourself and think I pick Armenians to try and infiltrate. Thank my girl for turning me on to different paths of knowledge, history, culture and expression.

 

HAHA…tribute to your girlfriend more likely you are trying to make yourself look like a reasonable candidate. Tell me Sev-Mard, what differences does it make if you know Armenian or not? I mean if they love you for “who you are” then they should not have a problem with you, thus, it is exactly because you want to be Armenian for the sake of fitting in that makes me question your sincerity. See, if you never meet this girl and came here trying to learn about the culture, I wouldn’t care, but because you are going out with this girl, it makes the situation more complex. If I were to just let you come here and accept you as a my “equal” then in the long run the very same rules that contributed for my existence would be broken, which in time would mean the decline of my people.

 

For the record, I will never share, help. or guide you through our history. I find it a insult to talk to you in Armenian because you are doing it for all the wrong reasons, so, again stop making it seem like you are this “innocent” black man being harassed by some “crazy” Armo because I am far from crazy.

 

I don't care if I haven't earned your respect yet, I don't. You're a guy on the other side of an internect connection that wouldn't have anything to say to me in person.

 

No, you should care because I may be one of the girls relative and if I found any of my relatives was doing what that girl is doing I would most likely stop talking to her. However, you are right, I have nothing to tell you in person. You should ask that girl how she would have felt if her ancestors were to bone Muslims in order to conceive her.

 

I don't try and make my intentions noble, because I know what I'm doing here during my time on the planet Earth, and what you have to say about it is irrelevant.

 

No, you do make it seem like it is “noble” and make it seem like I am suppose to just give you the grand tour of our culture when you are not even Armenian. If you want to learn about Armenia read a book and if you want learn the language take classes, but do not come here expecting me to be “open minded” because like I said if 90% of the parents of the members were “open minded” they would be anything but Armenian today.

 

With all that being said, I don't hate your views, it takes too much energy to hate a faceless talking mouth on the other end of my internet connection. I just think that you're like many black nationalist and other nationalist of different races that I've met. A lot of heat, a lot of redundancy and a penchant for alienating and attacking those around you(supposed brothers and sisters) with your diatribes on what being a True (insert nationality here) is.

 

NO, I am not a Nationalist, but rather am taking everything in the context it is given to me. Do you not agree that having 50% of your population being born in foreign countries a valid reason to get involved? Yes, of course you do, only a Down syndrome person would disagree with this and I am sure you are not a retard, so, knowing this would you not comment on anyone or at least make sure that the next generation understands how important it is to preserve your culture? Yes, I am sure you would make some effort to stop any assimilation that may take place because frankly a half Black Armenian is not Armenian anymore. This is why they do not call natives of the Americas “natives” anymore, but rather Meztisos, Mulattos, or anything else that refers to half breed. They become something new, which is why the decisions of the Diaspora should be taken with some weight. Now, do I give a shit what your girlfriend does with her life? NO, so, quiet assuming that I am this hardcore nationalist out to get you. I just feel the way I do, due to the fact that any alternative is suicide.

 

As for the question that irks you so. Despite pride and interest in my blackness, I don't feel I'm totally defined by it. That is a personal opinon and everyone is entitled to it. I used to date only black women until almost like last year in college, I met this woman and I'm here now. My relationship with race, personal identity and making sense of this world operates in a degree where I don't have to beat myself to death over blackness, I have everyone else on Earth to do that for me.

 

Well, good for you, but that is not my point. If you are indeed “proud” and “interested” in your blackness you would find a black woman like how I was “proud” and “interested” in my ethnic background to the point of trying to maintain. Today, I could careless because it already seems like its going to shit, but if you really read what you said carefully you will notice that you are a hypocrite.

 

I attempt to be a righteous person, a scholar, a loyal friend and a soldier when necessary. May how I walk be a show of fortitude to others who think Blacks are dirt, and I leave it at that. I try and walk a right walk, by my standards, and may it look well to those that are watching.

 

Good, be a righteous person but be among your kind. I do not care what you do and how you do it, but do not do it with Armenians. I do not need to get into your face in order to prove my “tolerance”. Sorry, the moment I took a course on race is the day my views drastically changed. I use to not give a shit, but then I realized that race indeed matters even though biologically we may be the same. Blacks are not “dirt”, but when Bill Cosby says that you need to get act together it should send a message as to why people like me are trying their best to disassociate with your kind.

 

But besides that, my mind is in places celestial, I don't beat myself to death worrying about what others have to say about me. Ban me, please do and just solidify whatever it is will make you happy. Have I violated any rules? I mean if this forum said that non-Armenian membership would be discouraged, I wouldn't have wasted my time. And I've been doing alright here until you were so taken aback by me. I'm indifferent to you, sure reading things you have to say are interesting at times/extreme and trite at others, I don't care about how hot you get. You're some guy getting all worked up over the net. Live real Life, go rep your people and get things done. I have friends in AYF, on the street, picketing, and the like. You must be superman because with all the time you're on line I don't think you're doing all of that.

 

I certainly am not doing all of "that", but if push came to shove they would ask me to go defend Armenia, unless, of course you feel you will go defend Armenia I suggest you do not regress this into a "my dick is bigger then yours" type of debate. See that exactly why I dislike you. The Armenian culture is not about learning the language or anything superficial like that it is about remaining Armenian at all costs. You have to have some nationalistic spirit whicih motivates you to remain Armenian. If Armenians have some problems, Africans, have tons of problems, which is why you should go feed the starving children of "African" or save the Sudenese or else what I do with my free time does not concern you.

 

Yes, exactly I am not doing all that because of the fact that I see Armenians going in the wrong direction. I do not need to go “picket” for the genocide when in fact the youth is emulating a degenerative culture and lowering themselves on the social hierarchy. The first thing parents need to do is start making sure the kids understand they are not losers and that they are “white”.

 

You know what makes me even more upset is that every Armenian I ask what they associate themselves in terms of race say they are anything but white, which is kind of ridiculous seeing as how Armenians are as white as white can be. I still have yet to see any Armenian look anything, but white, yes, there are circumstances but these apply to every white ethnicity. You have Armenians in Glendale thinking they are this hardcore black man when in fact emulating that culture places them below the black man or woman they are emulating.

 

Armenian history, youth, and future is not the “genocide” or picketing for our rights, yes, that is important, but it is also important to understand things outside just getting degrees, certificates, and what not. I would rather Armenians thought of themselves as “white” rather then walk the world pretending they were “black”. It has gotten to a point where white people are pushing Armenians away and forcing us into the Jewish and Black camp. Now, for you this may seem “extreme”, but for me it signals the decline of my people. Eventually, this will lead to the marginalized group of people, who have no identity and are not a minority (In terms of race), but yet feel like the world is against them. This has happened in France, where Arabs now feel that they are not part of France, while at the same time not feeling Arabic.

 

Stop resorting to “I have friends in the AYF, therefore, I must be Armenian or understand what is wrong with Armenians”, please stop, this is exactly why I have a problem with you. You act like you know the ins and outs of what it means to be Armenian, believe if you knew, you would understand my point of view. You have no idea what my people need to “progress” and it sure as hell is not racially diversifying our population. Furthermore, what we as Armenians need to progress is more and more Armenians like me that actually show some self-respect and self-worth. We do not need a “million man army” when the next generation will be marginalized group of people that are facing identity crisis. Just look at the families of many famous Armenians that married otars (I.E. William Saroyan, Allen Prost, Andrew Agassi, and Gary Kasphorov) they are anything but Armenian today and in fact I think Saroyan’s daughters are Jews, so, believe me you have no idea what my peoples problems are let alone understand what it will take to solve them. Like I said, your girlfriend shouldn’t go picket signs, but rather she should stop boning a black man. Hell, she wouldn’t exist today if her parents decided to bone Muslims, Russians, Turks, Kurds, Assyrians, Mongols, and etc…

 

Lastly, the genocide issue is also going to shit. You have Armenians that feel that they can "reconcile" with Turks, which is why Armenians as a people are failure. You have Europeans trying to restrict immigration from Africa, while Armenians direcly support it, which is the kinds of stupid things Armenians that make me question our existence as a people.

 

My point in "provoking" you is that you're a whiner, and you always whine about black people. So I just assume you have a agenda and a favorite subject to hate, which is obviously black people. So I'm not calling you racist, and you get so worked up about it. I don't need to call people racist, you're wrong again Vigil, I'm not a crutch needing, lazy, watermelon eating black person. I'm not even going to tell you what I am, because you haven't tried to engage me, you're engaged this "image" that's burned into your head. There are other types of people. I'm doing what I can over here, why don't you go down to the Glendale Galleria and tell those guys to stop imitating the idiots in my race that I'm trying to change and maybe we can help each other out?

 

My point is that you are culturally deprived black man that has no other identity other then that of her girlfriends. No, I do not hate black people and in fact I rarely even communicate with them because I have nothing in common with them. Most of the time they want to belittle the “white man” by using phrases like “white boy”, so, no I do not hate black people, rather, they hate me because I am white.

 

Your not that person, but that is what your culture portrays through the media. IF INDEED, you want to change your ways stop acting like victims. For instance, support Bill Cosby instead of “making excuses”. It is sad, you spend almost 300 years fighting for civil liberties, but yet today the only thing it amounted to is calling one another naggers and whores.

 

Believe, those Armenians are the same self-hating type like your girlfriend. In fact what I am writing here today is to directly ridicule your culture to a point in which it seems unappealing anymore, but it will never work because Armenians like Seaphan, Nairi, Stormig, and the rest of the bunch are more adamant in accepting a black man as a Armenian rather then fixing the social stigmas that contribute to their decline as a people.

 

Be productive. Crying all day on the internet like a little baby.....

 

I don’t cry and don’t even respond unless it is topics that send the wrong message to individuals. I could care less how many black men your girlfriend wants to bone, but the moment this is “deemed” normal is when I put my foot down.

 

I am done with this thread and trying to convince anyone of anything, peace. It is a waste of time and I have other reallife obligations to fullfill other then trying to help a group of people that can not even help themselves.

[Vigil]

Sev-Mard I wrote gizzilian page reply, but the moderators have put me on probation, which is why I am not going to bother retyping it. Anyways, MODERATORS PLEASE PST THIS SO HE KNOWS THAT I WAS GOING TO REPLY TO HIM. I am not going to look like a coward. All I can say that in my post I did not agree with and then some, peace.

 

By the way, I am going to stop posting on these boards, so, I guess the moderators have picked the better Armenian and this is the decision they have to live with, peace.

[Accelerated]

guys, lets not stray from the topic: alcohol...mmm...

[sev-mard]

I don't mention that I have friends in AYF as a badge, I used it as an intro to my point that you spend too much time here bitching and whining on the net. Nothing more nothing less.

 

I speak almost 3 languages to conversational fluency, Armenian is one that I'm learning as well because it's nice to speak to my girl and my "friends" in this language. It gives me perspective and simply another way to communicate in this world. You have nothing to do with any of those matters, and hence I don't care how you feel about me learning Armenian, and I have never tried to speak with you in the language.

 

A culturally deprived black man with only the culture of my woman? Could you be any more wrong? Yes you can and you are quite frequently.

 

Once again as I stated, you replied a zillion pages, same things you've always said, attacked me, tried to belittle me and never really engaged me as I stated earlier.

 

If I'm such a vulture and ignoble person, why don't I get much more hate? People may not agree with things I say, even though I don't run into them here, but why the unecessary hate.

 

If you consider me an enemy in this "war" well then general you've lost this fight, so get over it. Maybe you should work on "saving" the other Armenian girls out there, because I've already "corrupted" this one.

 

And for everything you say, and the "statistics" you're ready to break out, it seems that my Life situation has answers.

NOT THAT IT MATTERS, but you talk about how Armenians and black women don't get along have nothing in common. I see/know Armenian guys who chase black women exclusively. The world is not a book and world sure as hell is not the "book" you're claiming to write.

 

Without question the Armenian position is a dire one, and you "need all the soldiers" you can get. With that being said, you keep spewing that logic to me as if I don't know. I know who I am and what I represent, and still I'm willing to be here. I don't care how you see what my intentions are, because suprisingly everyone else seems to understand that I come humbly, not in an attempt to be Armenian, but in an attempt to learn and show that I'm not going to react with the same hate that I receive. Period.

 

You read my posts and jump to this weak conclusions that fall into your ploy to just spew hate at me. "That's why I dont' like you" "your dick is bigger than mine" "I'll go defend Armenia"

Yeah yeah yeah, take a breather are realize I'm not the "guy" you want to hate so bad. Seriously if you want to meet up I can introduce you in person to the niggers you hate so bad, but sir I'm not one of them.

 

Now I know that Armenians are so high class that a lowly, college graduate, world traveller, poet, author, and speaker of different languages, who happens to be black, is lower than Armenians. May Astvatz help me, what shall I do. Cower at the feet of an internet geek, quasi-revolutionary who can't even rally support amongst his own people?

 

You're nothing special, I've met guys like you time and time again, but usually they could at least reason prevail and talk. You just continue to turn everything I say into something you can hate.

 

I practice Armenian because it's another language and I have an affinity for them.

 

I am not trying to be not black and an Armenian man is not what I'm aiming for either, not in a long shot.

 

It's not possible for you to have other cultural inputs and exposure and interaction in your Life, but it is for other people, I'm blessed to be one of those, I'm sorry that you hate to see it.

 

I've done the research and soul searching to my culture and my people, the tribes and areas in Africa as far back as I can be traced. I've read all the "black books" and things of that nature. Knowledge of self is definately something that I'm not lacking. I'm searching for knowledge of all others and men/women in general on the planet Earth before I leave it.

 

I can exist out side of what I was born as. As much as I respect people like you for representing and "defending" their culture, I also humor you because I realize that people like you would be nothing without the sense of group to cling to and promote. So Vigil, a person like you would be even more of mess as a Black man than you think I am.

 

Telling the moderators to post your message so you don't look like a coward, who cares?! You're a loud mouth who keeps saying the same shit. I don't want to be you, or anything like you. Get over it. Sure someone like you might be my girls relative, and when I meet him I'll deal with him, you on the other hand I could care less about. I'm kind of dissapointed, I expected someone like you to show me a little more. But I read you right from the start and post after post is the same thing. Good job, I'm glad you're paying attention in class. Realize that there are other people out there besides statistics, I don't need you to like, I just wondered if you'd ever engage me as a person and not the image you have in your head. I mean I might not care for white farmers from Nebraska but I'll talk with them. A scholar who has thirst for knowledge and learning is open to experiences, but not everyone is the same and you don't know everything.

 

I don't need your approval, I have others to worry about.

 

I don't care what you think of me learning Armenian, I'm a scholar I'm trying to advance my knowlegde of God's earth.

 

I know it hurts you that you lost one of your woman, well I can say she'll be in good hands if it's up to me, get over it. I'm not a player, it's not a game, and just take solace that her heart shall not be damaged.

 

Besides that what do you want? How long are you going to badger the subject?

 

I don't want to be you, I don't need to be you, I'm actually here as a humble, student, enjoying good people, interesting conversations and learning more about a culture that is different than my own.

 

You're so vehement about "ridiculing my culture to point it's unappealing" well think about that. Why do you have to work so hard to do that, you're the culturally rich people. What's wrong with YOUR people that you have to save them from imitating the dregs of mine. i dont' support the blacks you dislike, I'm doing work over here, dont' attack me, do work on your people. And if you can't "save" them, then move on to those you can save, just like I try and do.

 

I say this all the time when other races come with the arguments you do.

 

How can Black people be so damn bad, when your people(who ever they are) are spending all their time being poor imitations of the lowest part of mine? Now that's a problem. I'm working over here, you do work over there and don't hate on me when I happen to be against the idiots you're against.

 

Get this guy a tissue and help him read a little better, because he responds to an internal drum over and over again with the same statements. Seemingly oblivious to what others are posting.

[sev-mard]

Can I be banned, just so he'll feel happy?

Please ban or put me on probation, maybe I don't need to be here anyway.

 

I'm ashamed that I even got involved with this clown over the internet.

I've just taken enough of his redundant banter and back handed comments about blacks directed at me. I'm glad you took the time to go and read all my past posts, that has a nice stalker feel to it. Appreciate the love and attention.

 

I hope all of you out there know and understand my intentions and don't see me as trying to be Armenian. I expected and expect hate, everyday in the street, when I go out. I expect it. So if there are others who don't like me and just haven't been talking because Vigil was your champion, just let me know. I don't need to be here if people are misreading my intentions. Believe me, if I need to go I'll be gone, it's not at all that serious to me.

 

Believe me I'm trying hard to not be any of the things he's been saying about me. I don't think I know everything about Armenians, and I don't believe I've ever projected that attitude, and I'm sorry if I have.

 

As I said let me know, if I should be banned for attempting to mongrelize the Hye Azg, let me know. Because I wouldn't want to be the cause of that.