Iran01 Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 that Armenians are so active in arts in Iran? Actually when I was a child I thought of an Armenian as a farmer! The reality is the Armenians club isnt isolated to Vigen , Andy... They are there from Cinema, singers, musicians, painters, architects and recently poets! Here are some of them: http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/arts/story/20...armenians.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/arts/021116_l...rchitects.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/arts/030717_sh-aslanian.shtml http://www.iranchamber.com/music/ltjeknavo...jeknavorian.php Recently I read news about 2000 seats at Armenian universities was reserved for Iranians art students !!! Is it just something specific for Iranian-Armenians or is it so in other countries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 It differs from community to community but I wouldn't call us Armenians a passive nation with lack of talant. In 17th century some 10 Armenian family companies ran vitually whole Iranian trade including Western and Northern Europe, India, Southeast and East Asia and Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iran01 Posted July 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Yes, Armenians were very active in trading but it had its own historical reasons. Safavids Shah gave specific rights to Armenians since he completely burned down thiers lands and forced them move into Iran...... But what goes for arts....It is not the same case! I am sure Armenians are talented people But the number of active artists and what it produced in many fields is GREAT in relation to Armenian population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Yes, Armenians were very active in trading but it had its own historical reasons. Safavids Shah gave specific rights to Armenians since he completely burned down thiers lands and forced them move into Iran...... Iran01, you're trying to apply some Persian diplomacy here. Just say it plain and simple:"You Armenians are smart" . There are no other reasons But what goes for arts....It is not the same case! I am sure Armenians are talented people But the number of active artists and what it produced in many fields is GREAT in relation to Armenian population. Seriously speaking, Armenians always adapt to the culture of the host country they reside. We keep our language and habits for some generations but the assimilation takes its toll over time. If the country trades, they trade; if the country produces, they produce etc. Consequently, if a country has rich artistic, musical etc. traditions - which I believe we can state in case of Iran - Armenians will develop an ambition in that field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Iran o1 More rational explanation unlike magical genes is that Armenians suffered considerably hence Arts were an outlet to express our emotions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 Iran o1 More rational explanation unlike magical genes is that Armenians suffered considerably hence Arts were an outlet to express our emotions. So much so that all that suffering caused them to forget the art of making weapons out of metal so they took up sculpting, forgot diplomatic language and concentrated on poetry, forgot how to make cannon balls and earthquake proof buildings of stone they mastered the art of khachkars. Or was it this fact that brought so much suffering??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iran01 Posted July 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Iran01, you're trying to apply some Persian diplomacy here. Just say it plain and simple:"You Armenians are smart" . There are no other reasons Seriously speaking, Armenians always adapt to the culture of the host country they reside. We keep our language and habits for some generations but the assimilation takes its toll over time. If the country trades, they trade; if the country produces, they produce etc. Consequently, if a country has rich artistic, musical etc. traditions - which I believe we can state in case of Iran - Armenians will develop an ambition in that field. "Persian diplomacy" I tried to be polite since I am a guest here. To be serious, yes ,Armenians are represented in all fields in Iran: car-dealer, driver, farmer...And yes, they were very active in trading since the Shah wished so. ( I guess the Armenian colonies in India and Hollands has its roots in Iran because of trading....) But what goes for Arts!!! They are too active in that field. For ex if you read those links above you will find more than 50 names from different families and 10 of them are well KNOWN. In architecture you have at least 3 great names. Poeple such as Jeknovarian are RESPECTED. ( Not every Iranians dare to produce music for national mythology such as Shahname! But Cheknovarian does!) If you search the web for Armenians poets from Iran you will get a few hits. But if you search by typical Armenian names and poetry in Persian script, they will pop up all over. It is very simple: The number of Armenians active in art field in relation to thier population is big. I mean! take a look at this! http://www.arphir.org/ How comes? And yes , Iranians have a rich tradition in arts compare to other countries around but Armenians are not the only group living in Iran! Maybe it is as Armat put it: suffered considerably! As I understood Iranians arts, specially music and poetry changed face a lot since the Moguls invasion..and maybe Armenians of Iran found something familiar and are refining it! Maybe the trading history gave them the opportunity to became familiar with new stuff from west! Maybe thier religion gave them more free space compare to muslims! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 "Persian diplomacy" I tried to be polite since I am a guest here. Well, start feeling home Maybe it is as Armat put it: suffered considerably! That's a classic Jewish explanation for everything around. I don't believe it is true. For example worlds most brilliant music was written and the finest art produced by Germans and Italians. Don't think they suffered that much. As I understood Iranians arts, specially music and poetry changed face a lot since the Moguls invasion..and maybe Armenians of Iran found something familiar and are refining it! Maybe the trading history gave them the opportunity to became familiar with new stuff from west! Maybe thier religion gave them more free space compare to muslims! I'll put it this way. Armenians for Iran and Russia are what the Dutch were for Germans, the Portugese for Spain, Jews for the British. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 (edited) One does not have to be psychologist to understand this. Look at American Black culture. They gave rise to Blues, Jazz, Rock, Gospel and anyone who knows remotely how blacks had lived can understand why the Blues is and how it came to be. What Iran01 is saying quantity in proportion to the population? Suffering is not related? Sure it does! Any group who has been suppressed repeatedly is forced to look inwards and find outlets for those suppressed feelings. There are other reasons such as craft artisans who like Jews also pretty well flourished under different rulers and empires. Artisans by and large were minorities since they preferred to work for themselves then directly under foreign rulers in fact these traditions to generations created offsprings in greater Arts. Edited July 29, 2004 by Armat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Suffering is not related? Sure it is. I just don't like you personally and tend not to agree with you in any case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Sure it is. I just don't like you personally and tend not to agree with you in any case. Funny how a discussion can get water down to “I don’t like your personality.” To make you feel better I don’t like my personality either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 He didn’t say he does not like your personality Armat, he is saying he has personal issues and thus won’t let him like you for any apparent reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Funny how a discussion can get water down to “I don’t like your personality.” To make you feel better I don’t like my personality either. Thanks for the clarification Edward. Armat, in your previous post you quoted my post and then edited it as if something was wrong with quoting me. Well, if this is of any interest to you, that action was a good reflection of - as Edward puts it - my personal issue with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Thanks for the clarification Edward. Armat, in your previous post you quoted my post and then edited it as if something was wrong with quoting me. Well, if this is of any interest to you, that action was a good reflection of - as Edward puts it - my personal issue with you. Armen,Why would you attribute me editing my post including your quote as a reflection of me finding anything wrong with you.Armen this does sound little paranoid like would you not agree?Come on now people edit post everytime myself including since I like short posts to the point.What I needed to say did not need your quote.Simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Armat, I'll stop here. Think whatever you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 (edited) I think that suffering doesnt make you what you are. Its all about experiences... A person can suffer and stop creating arts for example. the armenians didint start singing songs or writing songs because of the genocide they wrote mourning songs, as it's quite natural thing to do after what happened. And yes, they were very active in trading since the Shah wished so. Acutally , Djugha as from wich many of the armenian -iranian buissnessmens forfathers came from, was a city in NAKHITJEVAN wich in armenians means "before arrival" or "before arriving". The word implfies the importances of that city stratically set on what is known as the famous silkroad. It was famous for its handicrafs and buissnessmen, and beautiful gardens... That was destroyed by Shah Abbas the great... Edited July 30, 2004 by koko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Armenians are a creative bunch of people...so what..get over it! many nationalites has creative people and great artists as well The most important thing is to stay true to yourself and youre loved ones. And stop stealing other peoples art and life- work...like many azeribadjianis tend to do today.. IVE HAD ENOUGH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iran01 Posted November 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 It seems Janet D Lazarian had same question and published a book over the issue! (in Persian) http://www.bukharamagazine.com/29/articles/m65.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 And I still believe that Iranians are few centuries behind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iran01 Posted November 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Yeah, it is probably true but think about it if they wouldnt , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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