No Turkish "states" In The Eu

[America-Hye]

Since the Turkish Cypriots are being so intransigent, it appears that the Greeks are going to get into the EU without the Turks. Turkey has painted thenselves into a corner. Cheney wants to force the EU to accept these countries. Turkey should not be allowed to become a member UNLESS they make amends for their evil past. No humanity, no EU! How could the EU accept a country with a history and a present state of internal affairs like Turkey? Edited May 1, 2004 by America-Hye

[gurgen]

They couldn't, and I pray every day to God that they won't

[bellthecat]

It was not the Turkish Cypriots that were being intransigent, it was their political leaders and the 100,000s of mainland Kurds and Turks who have flooded into the place since the 1970s.

[ED]

Perhaps there is a light at the end of the tunnel, finally, instead of another train.

 

 

By EMMANUEL GEORGES-PICOT, Associated Press Writer

PARIS - Turkey's aspirations to be the first Muslim-majority member of the European Union (news - web sites) took a hit Thursday when French President Jacques Chirac said Ankara likely will not meet the bloc's conditions for another 10-15 years.

 

AP Poto

 

 

Speaking at his first full-fledged news conference in six years, Chirac also said the upcoming transfer of power in Iraq (news - web sites) must be "unambiguous" and the U.S.-led occupation authorities must cede complete control to an Iraqi administration.

The French president said Turkey needed to improve its human rights record and reform its justice system before being considered for EU membership.

"Is Turkey's entry possible today? I say 'No,'" he said.

But Turkey could become a member "in the perspective of 10 to 15 years," Chirac said. "My conviction is that it is in the long term."

Turkey, located at the crossroads of Europe and Asia and a part of NATO (news - web sites) since 1952, is hoping to begin talks next year on joining the EU. Ten new members are joining the 15-nation union on Saturday.

A Turkish Foreign Ministry official said on condition of anonymity that Turkey accepted Chirac's comments but still hoped the EU would open membership talks in 2005.

"Negotiations are one thing, and membership is another," the official said. "Chirac was speaking about the long term. There's nothing new about what he said."

Chirac's news conference came weeks after Foreign Minister Michel Barnier told parliament that France would oppose Turkey's entry.

Predominantly Muslim Turkey has carried out sweeping reforms in the last two years, abolishing the death penalty and granting greater cultural rights to its long-oppressed Kurdish minority.

The European Commission (news - web sites) in November noted Turkey's "significant progress" in meeting the EU's conditions, but said more needed to be done.

In the run-up to the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, Chirac was one of the most outspoken voices against the war.

Now, he and other leaders are pushing for Iraq to be granted full sovereignty when the coalition hands over power on June 30.

"What would be disastrous is a compromise solution founded on ambiguity," Chirac said.

U.S. officials have suggested Iraq will be granted only limited sovereignty, with the coalition maintaining control of security.

"Today, it is urgent to give the Iraqis back their sovereignty," he said. "The problem is how."

Any real transfer of power, Chirac said, must be overseen by the United Nations (news - web sites).

 

Chirac also said it was too early to decide which method France would use to decide on a proposed European constitution. Nations can either hold referendums or allow their parliaments to vote.

EU foreign ministers agreed Monday to resume negotiations on the continent's first constitution. The charter is to be finalized at a June 17-18 EU summit, after which member states will have to ratify or reject it.

Talks over the constitution, which aims to streamline decision-making in the expanded bloc, collapsed in December when Spain and Poland rejected a proposed new voting system because they believed it gave too much power to the EU's biggest countries.

 

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...rance_turkey_eu

[Stormig]

Since the Turkish Cypriots are being so intransigent, it appears that the Greeks are going to get into the EU without the Turks.

Who is being intransigent and about what? I refer you to the words of Schoeder.

[bellthecat]

Who is being intransigent and about what? I refer you to the words of Schoeder.

I don't know what reference you are refering to. But if it something that some EU bigwig said, then I hope the Cypriots can realise quickly what sort of dictatorship they have agreed to enslave themselves to.

 

The venomous bile that certain EU politicians have been throwing at the people of Cyprus for refusing to toe the line and agree to the EU demands over north Cyprus should help them see the light and make them wary that their own politicians might turn into the same creatures. One of those EU arch-creeps, Chris "I don't like referendums" Patton was saying that they shouldn't even have had the right to vote over unification!

Edited May 2, 2004 by bellthecat

[Stormig]

Typo - Schroeder. Namely that the outcome of the referendum was a disappointment. As a layperson, I agree. I don't see why the Annan plan's saying Greeks had to implement things right away and Turks had five years to implement their side of the agreement and such had anything to do with the post-accession process, howevermany hundreds of pages it was. I very much believe the Greek Cypriots are the Turks' best friends here. I think that from now on they can forget about getting any of their property north of the Green Line back for decades to come, let alone a unification of the island, as from now on any "unification" means incorporation into the EU. All they will be able to do individually would be to sue Turkey like Loizidou and get a million and a half Euros as compensation if they can. See, it's not what they've done - it's what they've been saying for years and what they have done now. I just don't get it.

[bellthecat]

Typo - Schroeder. Namely that the outcome of the referendum was a disappointment. As a layperson, I agree. I don't see why the Annan plan's saying Greeks had to implement things right away and Turks had five years to implement their side of the agreement and such had anything to do with the post-accession process, howevermany hundreds of pages it was. I very much believe the Greek Cypriots are the Turks' best friends here. I think that from now on they can forget about getting any of their property north of the Green Line back for decades to come, let alone a unification of the island, as from now on any "unification" means incorporation into the EU. All they will be able to do individually would be to sue Turkey like Loizidou and get a million and a half Euros as compensation if they can. See, it's not what they've done - it's what they've been saying for years and what they have done now. I just don't get it.

Though I don't know the subject in any depth, It is my understanding that, in general, in Cyprus most Greek Cypriots did not want to accept the plan. However, Greek Cypriot politicians did, and would have accepted it regardless of what it contained (so there was no need for the plan to give them anything special). Most Turkish Cypriots did want to accept the plan, and would have accepted it under almost any conditions. However, Turkish Cypriot politicians did not (which is why the plan had to give them so many concessions). And all this is why the plan was doomed to fail - it was written to please and appease politicians and not the ordinary people.

Edited May 4, 2004 by bellthecat

[Stormig]

However, Greek Cypriot politicians did

To the best of my knowledge, no.

[Stormig]

For some reason Poland in my mind doesn't quite fit the bill, either. Freaking nationalists, abortion criminalised. What kind of crap is that?

[bellthecat]

To the best of my knowledge, no.

Hmmm ... I thought most of them did, which was why the EU Establishment were so annoyed (the Greek Cypriot politicians had promised to deliver them a "yes" vote).