Vigil Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 (edited) Dear Communty, The Armenian Genocide is a fact and the denialist arguments has always been challenged and disproved. Armenians will never accept peace until the Turkish government and its people accept the truth. They must first make a publically apologize and then some how try to repay what they stole. Please do not ever post your theories because Armenians will never stop the quest for labeling the events that occured in the Ottomon Empire as a Genocide. I want to ask the moderators to delete any post which are made by denialist because it is a slap in the face of every Armenian or anyone who has been oppressed. They come here say... 1) It was a tragic event, but it was during war and happend a long time ago... 2) 1 million Armenians had the power to overpower the Ottomon Empire and thus were rebels, which means we had the right to do what we did to innocent men, women, and children. 3) They were trying to join with the Russians and were spys... 4) They commited Genocide on us.... Many more... Any post that has been made by Turkish Denialist against Armenians must be deleted. Even today it goes to show that Turks are and always will be the aggressors. SO PLEASE DELETE ANY POST MADE BY TURKISH DENIALIST BECAUSE WE HAVE PROVEN THEM WRONG AND IT IS A RECURRING CYCLE. Their is not point in disproving denialist everyday of the week. It is tragic and sad that it has to come to this, but I am really sick of it. I feel that I am wasting my time trying to educate people, who lack a eduacated mind. I have come to the conclusion that Armenians are just wasting their time. Turkish people will never accept the truth and because of this we will never acheive peace. They go to sites like Hyeforum or ArmenianHighland.com and insult Armenians. I conclude that any post made by Turk to insult Armenians in anyway or to test the crediablity of the Armenian Genocide MUST be deleted. Best, Vigil Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 Hmm... I have been lobbying for this since I joined the board It would be nice to have a policy against the big and small deniers who are trying to dishonor our ancestors and us. But if you look at the bigger picture "delete", "don't delete" doesn't matter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 What happens here is immaterial. The Turks wil relent ONLY when they realize that their lies will hurt their pocketbooks and their influence. I roll my eyes when Armenians talk about justice. Justice for justice's sake? That will NEVER happen. We must make the Turks pays for their intransience! NO fessing up NO EU. No fessing up and we influence your blood brothers in Central Asia (our friends) against you. No fessing up and we constantly remind the Arabs how miserably you treated them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Armenians will never accept peace until the Turkish government and its people accept the truth. Armenia already many times stated that it has no conditions to normalize relations with Turkey!We are not at war!!! In nature we got predators and prey and subsequently why not in humanity as well. Turks were for most part playing the role of a predator because they could, before them Romans played that role for centuries. What I mean is why personalize the Turks beyond humanity: Aren’t they part of humanity? Are we to assume Tigran the great never slaved any minority and expanded the Armenian nation without any killings? Well how do you conquer a nation without hurting people? Impossible! With do respect should we not step back and look at the Turk+Armenian conflict from a much broader perspective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Hey Armat, Given your upside-down thinking, I suggest that Bush take Kirk Kerkorian and put him on prison, since he is an Armenian. Then confiscate all his properties and assets and have him executed. You have a Soviet Armenian mentality. There were Armenians in Bolise who were part of the Ottoman state. They were Christians of Armenian heritage who were assimilated into the power structure. Things changed when the Ittihadist took over. You are grossly simplifying what transpired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Hagarag Given your enormous insightful and intellectual prowess I have to go back and read the Armenian history all over again. Thanks for the motivation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Question is do we see ourselves as victims (perennial losers-Ara Baliozian) or move forward independent of what Turks would and would not admit..Who gave the Turks that much importance anyway.I say @#$% them and their #$%^ denial with them. It is high time to stand our two feet!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Armat, Forget about me. I am not important. Just go read about the Armenians who held prominent places in the Ottoman Empire. You can start with Zohrab, one of my grandfather's close buddies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 So Armenia should build alliances with everyone but Turkey and work to isolate them? Armenia has been building bridges with Greece, Cyprus, Iran, the Turkic states of Central Asia, US, etc. and even conducting cultural exchanges with Israel. Let's just forget about Turkey?? Not while they let our cultural monuments turn into dust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted January 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 (edited) It does matter if we delete or not delete because we are giving them to the right to challenge a fact. Why must we prove them wrong? We have done this countless times and I am sick of it. From now on I am never going to give a Turk a chance to respond or rebuttal because their is no rebuttal. The Armenian genocide happend and its time we forced them to fess up to their politcal idiocy. Its like going to a person of Jewish ancestry and trying to down play the Jewish Holocaust as nothing more then a retaliation to war. Bottom line Armenian Genocide happend ...no rebutal...TURKS MUST FESS UP. I TRULY hope the Moderators will delate any rebuttal made by Turks or their supporters because me being Armenian feel offended when they question a fact. Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 I may have said this before but don't mind to say again: this forum is like a home for many of us, we come here and spend a lot of time, we have depeloped feelings towards the forum community ( as well as addictions). So it is more less a close, friendly community where normal people are always welcome to join in. Well, if there is a person who doesn't like that and wants to insult us and cause a mess do we have the right to kick him out? I think we do. And those Turk denialists are exactly the persons to be kicked out... forget about politics for a moment. We do have a choice to have a nice place or have a place where all kinds of nasty individuals could come anytime and hurt our feelings. I don't believe we owe them any genocide or history education, but a nice kick in their butt we do owe them. We shouldn't care if the Turks are going to point the fingers and say we are not peaceful people or other crap, they are going to call us all kinds of untruthful things anyway. So let's kick those nasty denialist bastards out and forget about them. At least they will understand that we have a certain sense of self-respect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 We can also simply choose to ignore them. They will leave by themselves. Btw, I don't like the title of this topic, because it makes it sound like all Turks (who come here) are denialists, which they are not; neither are all denialists Turks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 It does matter if we delete or not delete because we are giving them to the right to challenge a fact. Vigil, what I meant is for all important matters such as international recognition of the genocide it doesn't matter we delete or not delete those posts Nairi jan, yes we can choose to ignore them but the fact that there are lies in our forum posted by deniers would still bother me. Agreed about the title, not all Turks are deniers although most are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasty Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 <<<>>> where is the MOSJAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 (edited) Are we to assume Tigran the great never slaved any minority and expanded the Armenian nation without any killings? Well how do you conquer a nation without hurting people? Enslaving a nation is different from exterminating a nation. No nation had to be conquered. Western-Armenia was part of the Ottoman Empire remember? If you mean how do you carry out your Pan-Turkish ideas without 'hurting' people, then maybe you're right. Edited January 20, 2004 by gurgen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 <<<>>> where is the MOSJAN Nasty, you didn't like my comment? really? why do you need MosJan if I may ask? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasty Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 sasun......... your arguments forces limits of human.If you want a quarrel I will be here. there is a commen idiot everywhere.If this forum belongs to you, you will show your hospitality.(even if I am turk) you don`t like my statements.I am writing what I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasty Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 you don`t like my statements.I am writing what I believe reals.(so are you) sasun, I have one word for you..it's called "education" you're going to have to get some. bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 eh nasty, if i were you i would keep quiet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 sasun, I have one word for you..it's called "education" you're going to have to get some. Oh look who's talking!!! The great educationist himself (this is called sarcasm, in case your meagre mind does not comprehend) Not only does Osama probably speak and write better English than you do, but you also seem to have missed your history classes. So I would stfu if I were you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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