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YUGHABER

Traditional spellng- IUGHABER

Oil Bearer

Yet another obscure, weird and obsolete name.

A famous Yughaber, mother of Vahan Terian (Ter Grigorian)

http://calyx.tumblr.com/post/34085240476/zolotoivek-portrait-of-yughaber-ter-grigoryan

Anyone here have known a person named so?

Anyone-s mother or grandmother named so?

Nowadays this name and others are used entertainingly. No one, to my knowledge names their daughters so.

I always thought that it referred to the saints Gayaneh and Hripsme. Turns out, it is from the biblical account of the Resurrection, when Mary Magdalene and her friends came to visit Jesus -s grave on the day after. Bearing sacred oil to anoint his body.

At the resurrection

Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:9, Luke 24, John 20:1

Yughaber Kanayq

http://www.holytrinity.am/posts/view/342

http://www.gallery.am/hy/database/item/6585/

 

In Mark, Matthew, and John, Mary Magdalene is first witness to the resurrection. John 20:1 names Mary Magdalene in describing who discovered the tomb to be empty. Mark 16:9 says she was accompanied by Salome and Mary the mother of James, while Matthew 28:1 omits Salome. Luke 24:10 says the group who reported to the disciples the finding of the empty tomb consisted of Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them". In Luke 24 the resurrection is announced to the women at the tomb by two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning who suddenly appeared next to them.

Oil Bearers at the Tomb

http://www.aumethodists.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/duccio10.jpg

 

http://lent.goarch.org/sunday_of_myrrhbearers/learn/

The third Sunday after the Feast of Holy Pascha is observed by the Orthodox Church as the Sunday of the Holy Myrrhbearers. The day commemorates when the women disciples of our Lord came to the tomb to anoint his body with myrrh-oils but found the tomb empty. As the woman wondered what this meant, angels appeared proclaiming that Christ had risen from the dead. -

See more at: http://lent.goarch.org/sunday_of_myrrhbearers/learn/#sthash.X9yoc2tm.dpuf

See Markos/Margos Ch 16 here;

http://kendimian.com/Bible/Mark.html

http://armenian.name/index.php?a=term&d=2&t=1834

From Armenian yugh "butter", "oil" and berel "bring" i.e. "the one who brings oil". It is in use

See the idle rant about Yughaber here;

http://www.aztagdaily.com/archives/8823

 

Also see Candle bearer Acolyte here; What is the Armenian word for Acolyte One dictionary says DBIR. Wrong, Is it MOMAKIR/Candle Bearer?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acolyte#Etymology

 

Oddly, in the Armenian Church Acolytes are all males

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4RNTN_enUS376US445&q=acolyte+armenian+church+pictures&gs_l=hp..0.41l807.0.0.0.8479...........0.

Acolyte and Qshots- Repeller of evil spirits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%D5%94%D5%B7%D5%B8%D6%81.jpg

 

Mind you. Most all of these names are extinct now.

Next will be Srbuhi , Lusatsin and Lusntag

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SRBUHI

 

Anyone here known someone named Srbuhi?

This brings us to another obsolete Armenian name- Srbuhi (Marisam. Mayr Astutso).) See Santa Maria below..

Does the name Mariam have anything to do with the Armenian Mayr/Mother, as at time some pronounce it as Mayriam?

https://hy.wikisource.org/wiki/%D5%8D%D6%80%D5%A2%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%B0%D5%AB_%

http://armenian.name/index.php?a=term&d=4&t=1680

http://armenian.name/index.php?a=term&d=2&t=1496

SRBUHI -From Armenian surb "saint", "clear", "innocent" + uhi female suffix. It is in use since XVI c. (esp. spread in XIX c.). The short forms are Srbun, Srpik and Surpik.

Ave Maria, Voghjuyn Qez Mariam

Do we have a Sharakan/Hymn Srbuhi Mariam like this?

Schubert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPvAQxZsgpQBach-Gounod

 

Ave Maria Text and English Translation

Ave Maria Original Latin Prayer

http://classicalmusic.about.com/od/classicalmusictips/qt/ave_maria_latin_prayer.htm

 

http://armenianwomen.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/srpuhi-dussap-vahanian-%D5%BD%D6%80%D5%A2%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%B0%D5%AB-%D5%BF%D5%B5%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%BD%D5%A1%D5%A2-%D5%BE%D5%A1%D5%B0%D5%A1%D5%B6%D5%B5%D5%A1%D5%B6-1840-1901/

 

The most famous Srbuhi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srpouhi_Dussap

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Above the system did not allow me to post these.

Schubert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPvAQxZsgpQ

And the Bach-Gounod version

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Bach-Gounod

 

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ԼՈՒՍՆԹԱԳ

 

LUSNTAG

 

Anyone here known someone named Lusntag?

As stated before, this thread is about obscure, long obsolete. at times weird, bizarre and extinct names. Sorry ladies. I will try and find weird and bizarre boy-s names too.

 

LUSNTAG =From the Armenian name of planet Lusntag. It is a rare name now. It is the Planet Jupiter.**

]quote]ԼՈՒՍՆԹԱԳ =հայ. Լուսնթագ մոլորակի անունից. անցյալ դարում շատ սիրված ու տարածված անուն էր հայերի մեջ. այժմ հազվագյուտ է:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter

I have known some named Lusatsin but never Lusntag.

All obsolete.

At the present we have many named Lusin or Lusineh,

I had a classmate of Persian persuasion named Mahine as in the Armenian Mahik/Crescent Moon.. Just like the Persian girl-s name Mahnaz, a colleague of mine. I also met an American woman named Luna. We had a neighbor named LuysLuys, and another named Arevaluys (Sunshine?).

LUSADZIN =From Armenian luys "light" and dznund "birth" i.e. "born from light". It is a new and rare name. ԼՈՒՍԱԾԻՆ =հայ. լույս և ծնունդ բառերից, որ նշանակում է լուսեղեն, լույսից ծնված: Նորաստեղծ, հազվագյուտ անուն է:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Jupiter_Smyrna_Louvre_Ma13.jpg/115px-Jupiter_Smyrna_Louvre_Ma13.jpg

http://www.encyclopedia.am/pages.php?bId=2&hId=579

Above the Armenian version spells it as LusnTHAG as if it means Light Crown, i.e Halo

http://users.libero.it/luigi.scrosoppi/santi/luciaing_file/image001.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Madonna_Benois.jpg

However , it seems the Armenian word for Halo is Lousapsak, Light Crown/Wreath/Laurel as seen in the line from Yes Im Anush Hayastani-

Նարեկացու,Քուչակի պէս լուսապսակ ճակատ չկայ,

Narekatsu Qouchaki pes Lousapsak jakat chka.

http://www.mysticjourneybookstore.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Saint-Nicholas-with-Halo.jpg

When in fact Lusntag is the Planet Jupiter.

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=10659&hl=calendar&st=20

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It is ironic that in the Greco-Roman tradition Jupiter/Zeus is a most virile male, while in the Armenian Lusntag is a girl.

Is there a message here?

http://rome.mrdonn.org/romangods/jupiter.html

**The planets in Armenian.

https://sites.google.com/site/tiezerk/molorakner/aregaknayin-hamakarg

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ԼԵՅԼԻ

 

Leila.

This is beyond bizarre.

While browsing this

http://armenian.name/index.php

I came across the name Leila among Armenian girls names. Really?

Do we name our daughters Leila?

Do they mean we name our women Leila

I just saw an announcement in Aztak, that Mr. and Mrs. Xyz had had a baby girl that they named Lila/Leela..

 

 

 

LEYLI =From Arabian name Leyli or Leyla which means "night" or "lily". It is an old name, which is of Hebrew origin. In Armenia it appeared in XVII-XX c. under the impression of popular eastern love novel "Leyli and Mejnun" and is used till now.

 

ԼԵՅԼԻ =արաբ.Leyli կամ Leyla անունից, որ նշանակում է գիշերային կամ շուշան: Հնագույն անուն է. ունի եբրայական ծագում: Հայերը գործածում են XVII-XX դարերից: Տարածվել է արևելյան հայտնի Լեյլի և Մեջնուն սիրավեպի ազդեցությամբ: Մինչև օրս էլ կենդանի է ժողովրդի մեջ:

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Hebrew origin? NO!! It is from Arabic. Yet, some of us may take such lackadaisical nonsense as a gospel truth.

In the Arabic majnun means struck by jinns/possessed (by devils).

http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Laila

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layla_and_Majnun

See the biblical account of possessed and Divahar here; Is the Persian word divaneh/crazy/ دیوانه

similar to the Armenian Divahar? See դիւահար here***

28] And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

[29] And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Matt.8

[30] And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.

[31] So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.

[32] And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

 

28Եւ երբ այն կողմ, գերգեսացիների երկիրն անցաւ, նրան պատահեցին գերեզմաններից ելած երկու դիւահար, այնքան սաստիկ կատաղած, որ այդ ճանապարհով որևէ մէկը չէր կարող անցնել։ 29Եւ ահա նրանք աղաղակեցին ու ասացին. «Ի՞նչ կայ ր և քո ջև, Յիսո՛ւս, Որդի՛ Աստծու, զ տարաժամ տանջելո՞ւ եկար»։ 30Եւ նրանցից քիչ հեռու արօտական խոզերի երամակ կար։ 31Եւ դևերը աղչում էին նրան ու ասում. «Թէ զ այստեղից հանես, զ թո՛յլ տուր գնալ խոզերի երամակը»։ 32Եւ նա նրանց ասաց՝ գնացէ՛ք։ Դևերը դուրս ելնելով՝ գնացին խոզերի երամակ։ Եւ ամբողջ երամակը դարաւանդից դից դէպի ծով, ու ջրերի մէջ սատկեցին։ 33Իսկ խոզարածները փախան և քաղաք գնալով՝ պատցին ամէն ինչ, նաև՝ դիւահարների դէպքը։

*** http://www.nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=7&pageNumber=662

http://www.nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=7&pageNumber=663

In Aleppo our Arabic speaking Christian neighbors, when they had a party, something like the Mejlis of Sayat Nova times, , they would begin it singing Ya Leil until sunrise still singing Ya Leyli.

Similar but not quite like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrVbLQtXxzg

To see the lyrics go to Folk Somgs here;

http://www.mousaler.com/songbook/

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Arshaluys

 

This is neither weird, nor it is obsolete. I have known many girls named so, some up close..

What is odd and surprising to me is that in Armenia it is a boys name, while in the Diaspora it is exclusively a girls name.

Is this where the Diaspora and the Homeland go astray?

http://southerncrossreview.org/68/kipling-east-west.htm

 

 

 

 

Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,

Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment Seat;

But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,

When two strong men stand face to face, though they come from the ends of the earth!

It means DAWN, Sunrise. See how many girls you know named Dawn.

Often the name is endearingly minimized when family and friends call them ARSHO.

The only male person nicknamed Arsho I have known turns out his given name was , his father called him Arshavir.;

It is odd that Arshaluys does not appear under girls name.

Once again look here;

http://armenian.name/index.php

ԱՐՇԱԼՈՒՅՍ =հայ. Արշալույս /լուսաբաց / բառից:Իբրև անձնանուն գործածական է թե արական , թե իգական սեռերի համար:

ARSHALUYS =From Armenian arshaluys "daybreak"(both male and female).

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ԱՐՇԱՎԻՐ =հայկական հնագույն անուններից է , որ ըստ Հյուբշմանի նշանակում է տղամարդ / զենդ. aran և vira բառերից /: Պատահական նմանություն ունի հայերեն արշավել բայի արշավիր հրամայական ձևի հետ:

ARSHAVIR =Is an ancient Armenian name, which according to Hyubshman means "man"(Zend aran +vira).

Arshavir Shiragian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arshavir_Shirakian

Arshavir Kamsarakan

 

Prince Artak of Moks; the left wing was under the Generalissimo himself, aided by his brother-inвЂlaw, Arshavir Kamsarakan,

Վաչէ սպարապետի մահից յետոյ պետութեան խնամակալութիւնը եւ սպարապետութեան գործը յանձնարարուել է Մամիկոնեանների փեսաներին՝ հազարապետ ]b]Արշաւիր Ա Կամսարականին[/b] եւ

http://armenian-poetry.blogspot.com/2011/01/blog-post_25.html

 

Պետրոս Դուրեան: Ինծի կ՛ըսեն

 

ԻՆՉ՞ ԿԸՍԵՆ

 

Ինծի կ՛ըսեն.-«Ինչո՞ւ լուռ ես»-

Ո՜հ, միթէ բառ կամ խօսք ունի՞

Արշալոյսը, որ կը բռնկի,

Զի անհուն է այն ալ ինձ պէս:

 

 

Ինծի կ՛ըսեն.- «Միշտ տխուր ես»-

Ի՞նչպէս չըլլամ, մէկիկ-մէկիկ

Թօթափեցան գլխուս աստղիկք...

Արշալոյս մը չանցա՜ւ սրտէս:

(My translation.)

 

WHAT THEY SAY?

 

They ask me. Why are you so quiet?

Does she have a word or say

The Dawn that burns in a flame,

She is endless just like me.

 

They tell me. You're always sad.

How shall not I be? One by one

Stars were poured on my head,

Nary a Dawn crossed my heart.

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I capitalized Dawn as I have seen some say that it was in fact a real person (girl) named Arshaluys..

Edited July 19, 2013 by Arpa

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ԱԶԱԴ -ԱԶԱՏ

AZAD-AZAT

Although we are not quite done with the girls names, we nevertheless proceed with boys names. Note the underwhelming response to this thread.

We will skip over Abbas, Abdal,** Abgar and Abraham and go directly to Azad.

**Are you surprised that these are listed in the dictionary of Armenian names?

Note how I spelled it with both Դ/D and Տ/T ending. I will explain.

In the Diaspora the name Azad is exclusively a girls name, from Azadouhi,I have known many girls named such but I dont remember any boy named so.

 

 

 

ԱԶԱՏ =հայերեն ազատ բառից, որ իրանական ծագում ունի (զենդ. azata):Շատ տարածված անուն է: Սրանից՝ Ազատյան ազգանունը:

AZAT =From Armenian azat, meaning "free" which comes from Iranian a(zata). It is very spread as well as the surname Azatyan

AZATUHI =Is the female variant of the Armenian name Azat + uhi suffix. It is a spread name.

ԱԶԱՏՈՒՀԻ =հայ Ազատ անվան իգական ձևն է՝ ուհի ածանցով: Բավական տարածված անուն է

:

Here we see where Ajarian spells both ways- Azat and Azad.

http://www.nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=7&pageNumber=88

 

http://nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=6&pageNumber=29

Ազատներ/Nobility

 

http://www.hayagitaran.am/azatner/

 

http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%B1%D5%A6%D5%A1%D5%BF%D5%B6%D5%A5%D6%80

 

See what Zade(h) means, the antonym, with the negative A is A-zade(h) i.e born without human intervention.

*****zade can mean:Alternate spelling of "p*****zada", Ottoman **form of address meaning "son of a p*****.

**Ottoman? My eye It is Persian.

The furkish rag calls itself hurriyet from the Arabic to mean freedom /liberty, while those other clowns in boku call it azadlik. from Persian.

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One time, at Khor Virap there was whole family of Yezdi Kutds. Their leader was a lady Gayaneh (her real name) who was a physician by training. They all spoke perfect Armenian. One of the men said his name was Assad, which he interpreted as a variant of Azat. When I told him that in the Arabic it means lion he was so happy. (See Bashar el Assad of Syria),

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To continue about weird names.

This is getting more and more absurdly ridiculous. Even more ridiculous than when some comedians insist that the (furkish) name of a certain foodstuff is from Armeno-Urartuan toli/tolma.

Did you know? I didnt that we name our sons Shabath/Շաբաթ?.

Anyone here known anyone named shabat? I have not.**

 

http://armenian.name/index.php?a=term&d=1&t=2043

 

SHABAT =From Hebrew abos "rest". It is in use from time immemorial as a day of the week (Saturday) in many languages (Persian anba, Russian subbota). As a name it appeared in Greek from which it is borrowed in Heathen Ages.

http://armenian.name/index.php?a=term&d=5&t=1827

 

 

ՇԱԲԱԹ =եբր. sabos բառից, որ նշանակում է հանգիստ: Իբրև օրվա անուն այս բառը օգտագործվել է հայերի մոտ անհիշելի ժամանակներից: Այդ իմաստով շաբաթ բառը գործածական է շատ լեզուներում ( պարս. sanba , ռուս. րցոոՏՑՈ և այլն ) :Հին հրեաները գործածել են իբրև անձնանուն, որից և անցել է հայերին տակավին հեթանոսական շրջանում:

Where do these comedians get their information from? Who is their teacher? That comedian Sedrak Mamulian who insists that certain furkish names of our foodstuff is rom the Armeno-Urartuan toil/tolma. ?

 

First off, they claim that sabbath is from the Hebrew sabos meaning rest.

Sabos Hebrew? My v*r*k To me sabos sounds Greek, which has no meaning.

Sabbath simply means seven, septe/sette, from the Aramo-Arabic seb;a/seb.a-(t)

This month is September when we celebrate Labor Day., a day of Labor, not a Day of Rest.

No! It means the Month of Labor.

The month of September (seventh) named so, because in the old calendar it was the seventh month after Match being the first.

** Somewhere we wrote that the Smbat means the seventh child. See what we wrote here;

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=16727&page=1&&do=findComment&comment=211074

Edited September 3, 2013 by Arpa

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ՀՌԻՓՍԻՄԷ եւ ԳԱՅԱՆԷ

HRIPSIMEH and GAYANEH

 

I have known a few Hripsimehs, one of them was my childhood neighbor friend, playmate, my breast sister. Her mother could not nurse her, and my mother nursed her along with me. We would call each other brother and sister respectively. We had another neighbor Hrip, both of which were of the Catholic persuasion.

As to Gayaneh. It seems 50% of girls in Armenia are named such, the other half- Lilith. A contradiction in terms if you will. The latter being a pagan who… don’t let me use toxic words here… and the former an Armenian Saint.

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Above at #5 I said;

 

All is said about Hripsime is that it is from the Greek and that it means "ankyal/angyal", "fallen". I have no idea about its etymology.

 

I don’t remember where I had seen that.

Note that in the Greek it is written as Ripisma.

 

ΡΙΠΙΣΜΑ Transliteration A: rhípisma Transliteration B: rhipisma Transliteration C: ripisma Beta Code: r(i/pisma

 

http://onomast.com/name/29836/Rhipsime

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhipsime

Rhipsime (Hripsime, Ripsime, Ripsima or Arsema (died c. 290) was an Armenian virgin and martyr of Roman origin. She and her companions in martyrdom are venerated as the first Christian martyrs of Armenia.

 

HRIPSIMEH =The historian Agatangeghos first mentioned this name. According to Yeremia it means "great advice" or "desirable". The coll. form of this name Horomsim makes possible the connection of it with Hrom "Rome"(St. Hripsimeh whose temple is in Echmiadzin was from Rome). It is a spread name. The short forms are Hripsik, Hrip.
ՀՌԻՓՍԻՄԷ =այս անունն առաջին անգամ հիշատակվում է Ագաթանգեղոս պատմիչը: Ըստ Երեմիայի՝ նշանակում է “մեծ խորհուրդ” կամ “ցանկալի”: Այն հանգամանքը, որ ժողովուրդը դարձրել է Հոռոմսիմ, հարկադրում է մտածել, որ անպայման Հռոմ բառի հետ է կապվում ինքը՝ Հռիփսիմե կույսը, որի տաճարը ցայսօր կանգուն է Էջմիածնում, հռոմեացի էր :Հռիփսիմե անունը չափազանց տարածված է ժողովրդի մեջ: Սրա փաղաքշական և կրճատ ձևերն են՝ Հռիփսիկ, Հռիփ:

ԳԱՅԱՆԷ /Գայիանէ /

լատ. Gaianus անվան իգական ձևն է :Հնում հայերի մեջ այդ անունով հայտնի էր միայն Գայիանէ կույսը, որի տաճարը մինչև օրս կանգուն է Էջմիածնում:Եկել է 4-րդ դարից, այժմ տարածված անուն է:

GAYANEH(Gayianeh)

Is the female variant of the Latin name Gaianus. There was St. Gayaneh in Arm whose temple still exists in Echmiadzin. As a name it appeared in IV c. and is used till now.

 

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See # 3 here;

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=55532#entry311455

 

[Arpa]

ԱՐԻՍՏԱԿԷՍ ARISTAKES

 

Do we still name our boys Aristakes or Takes/Dakes?

I have known several named Aris.

Aris Sevak (RIP) and Murad Aris Meneshian(Aris is his father‘s name), Aris Babikian to name a few

http://www.armeniapedia.org/wiki/Aris_Sevag

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murad_Meneshian

http://asbarez.com/65705/aris-babikian-appointed-canadian-citizenship-judge/

I t would be interesting if there were a person named Aris Dakesian.

Google shows one obituary in Fresno with very little information.

Is Aris the masculine counterpart of Arous-(iak)?

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Արիս եւ Արուս ամուսնացան: Նրանք ունեցան երկւորեակ. Մին կոչեցին Արիստակէս եւ միւսը Արուսեակ:

ԱՐԻՍՏԱԿԵՍ =հուն. Arostakes անունից: Առաջին անգամ հանդիպում ենք Ագաթանգեղոսի մոտ: ԵՐ ստուգաբանում է իբրև “կրկին պարգև”:Այժմ էլ կենդանի անուն է :Կրճատ ձևերն են ՝ Արիստակ, Արիս: Կան նաև Արիստակեսյան ազգանունը:Գավառական ձևն է Ռստակ, որից՝ Ռստակյան :

ARISTAKES =From Greek name Arostakes which means "gift again" The short forms are Aristak, Aris. We also have the surname Aristakesyan. The provincial form is Rstak, from which the surname Rstakyan is formed.

There are many citings of Aristakes. Search and see. The first being;

According t o legend Aristakes was the elder son of Grigor and he succeeded Him as Ctholicos.**

Սուրբ Արիստակէս հայրապետ:

Արիստակեսը Գրիգոր Լուսավորչի կրտսեր որդին էր և շատ վաղ հասակից վանական կյանքով էր ապրում: Եպիսկոպոս է ձեռնադրվել իր իսկ հոր կողմից՝ դառնալով նրա գործակիցը: 325 թ. մասնակցել է Նիկիայի Տիեզերաժողովին: Արիստակեսը հոր մահից հետո դարձել է հայոց հայրապետ:

Սպանվել է 333 թ. Չորրորդ Հայքի Արքեղայոս իշխանի կողմից՝ նրա անուղղելի վարքը քննադատելու համար, և թաղվել Թիլ ավանում:[/quote

**Catholicos is a Greek word meaning universal/Tiezerakan/ Դիեզերական:

Was Grigor Catholic/Կաթողիկ?

 

 

Edited October 31, 2013 by Arpa

[Arpa]

Abdal Armenian name?

This is the weirdest, and news to me. Beside Karlen, Serge/ Sergey and Arkady.

Anyone here known an Armenian named Abdal? I Haven’t. I have known some with the surname Abdalian, Avdalian, Avdoyan.*****

According to this site Abdal is an Armenian boys’ name.

http://armenian.name/index.php

 

ABDAL =From Turkish word abdal that means "careless". Later it was changed into avdal and this very variant is usable. The base is Arabic word abdal, meaning "hermit". Nowadays this name is seldom used though the surname Avdalyan is rather spread.

ԱԲԴԱԼ ( Ավդալ) =թուրք. abdal բառից, որ նշանակում է “անհոգ”:Հետագայում դարձել է Ավդալ, որը և տարածված է :Հիմքը արաբ abdal բառն է , որ նշանակում է “դերվիշ” կամ “ճգնավոր”: Այժմ սակավ գործածվող անուն է , թեև Ավդալյան ազգանունը տարածված է:

 

Yet another sloppy scholarship. It is from furkish? Phooey and nonsnse!!****

It is from Arabic , the first part of the name “abd” Abdallah=Servant of God**

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In our vernacular the gypsies were called abdal, to mean gypsy***, nomad, beggar and at times thief.

I have not anyone named abdal, but there are several families with surnames of Abdalian/Avdalian.

The two famous ones.

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35 §History of Armenia by Father Michael Chamich: from B. C. 2247 to the year of Christ 1780¦. Translated from

the original Armenian, by Johannes Avdal, in two volumes, v. I-II, Calcutta, 1827.

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…is a translation into 17^th c. English by a Johannes Avdall (Abdalian?). I found him. His name was Hovannes Avdaleants-Avdalyants (?), born in Shiraz, Iran 1803-1870- died in Calcutta, Member of the Asiatic Society of Bengal printed in Calcutta (Kolkatta)., 1827. AD . I wish I could see the Armenian version that Mikayel wrote, and spelled those names. Of course, as expected Chamich was very much biblio-biased, going all the way of we being the progeny of that clown, foolish buffoon Noah.

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Vahe-Vahian (Armenian: Վահէ-Վահեան), born Sarkis Abdalian (22 December 1908, Gürün Turkey, died in 1998, Beirut, Lebanon), was an Armenian poet, writer, editor, pedagogue and orator.[1][2]

**On the surface the name seems to be exclusive to muslims, in fact many Arabic speaking Christians also use it, even some old Armenians of Aleppo. Sometimes abbreviated to Abdo. See Vartan Abdo of Armenian Radio Hour.

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***Abdal=gypsy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_in_Turkey

**** Where do they find this kind of info -schminfo ?

If all Armenian scholarship schmolarship, culture/kultur is similar to this, then please include me out. Yeah, yeah we know. The name of that rolled grape leaf delicacy is from the Uraratuan.

***** The furks did not have a word for “culture” Kültür

until they discovered Latin.

***** Dr. Levon Avdoyan

http://www.armenianweekly.com/2012/01/24/library-of-congress-exhibition-on-armenian-treasures-to-open-april-19/

Edited November 1, 2013 by Arpa

[Arpa]

ԱՆԱՍՏԱՍ--ՅԱՐՈՒԹԻՒՆ

 

ANASTAS-RESURRECTION

Anastas Mikoyan has been a bone of contention, still unresolved for quite sometime.

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=35514&page=1&&do=findComment&comment=283136

 

Տղայ անուն Յարութիւն, հերիք անես Չարութիւն. Ալ բաւ, մեզ բեր Բարութիւն:

** I question the below etymologies, if only by inference, (i.e. opposite of stasius. cannot stand).. To me, it sounds like immortal-deathless/անմահ

After I wrote the above , I realized that I had confused Anastas with Athanas.(deathless). See below.

 

ANASTAS =From Greek name Anastasios which means ''resurrection''. It was used by many European nations. The Armenian name Harutyun is the translated variant of this name.

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ԱՆԱՍՏԱՍ =հուն.Anastasios անունից, որ անցել է եվրոպայի շատ ժողովրդների (լատ. Anastasius) . նշանակում է հարություն (մեր Հարություն անունը սրա թարգմանությունն է):

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Meaning & History -Latinized form of the Greek name Αναστασιος (Anastasios) which meant "resurrection" from Greek αναστασις (anastasis) (composed of the elements ανα (ana) "up" and στασις (stasis) "standing")

How many more skeletons in the proverbial closet?***

*** http://splendidmarbles.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/skeleton_closet4.png

Skeleton in the closet (idiom) or skeleton in the cupboard is a colloquial phrase used to describe a shameful secret.

I question the below etymologies, if only by inference. To me, it sounds like immortal-deathless/անմահ

 

Stasis-: a state or condition in which things do not change, move, or progress

: Also consider -Status Quo- Standing Such.

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Meaning & History

Latinized form of the Greek name Αναστασιος (Anastasios) which meant "resurrection" from Greek αναστασις (anastasis) (composed of the elements ανα (ana) "up" and στασις (stasis) "standing").

Anastas Mikoyan has been a bone of contention, still unresolved for quite sometime. Let me first correct a misconception, my error where I confused ANAstas and ATHanas, the latter meaning Deathaless and the former- Standing/resurrected.. See Athanas below.

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=35514&page=1&&do=findComment&comment=283136

http://www.nndb.com/people/595/000162109/anastas%20mikoyan.jpg

http://www.nndb.com/people/595/000162109/anastas%20mikoyan.jpg

I dont know about you, but this is all Greek to me** :

Why don t the Greeks call that Holy Sepulchre /Holy Resurrection/ Սուրբ Յարութեան Տաճառ Hagia Anastasios?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre

But we call it Սուրբ Յարութիւն:

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=23313&page=1&&do=findComment&comment=263141:

Here is our friend Harut Marutian 101:silly:

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=26125&page=1&&do=findComment&comment=268878

I question the below etymologies, if only by inference, (i.e. opposite of stasius. cannot stand, or status quo, standing as is).. To me, it sounds like immortal-deathless/անմահ/ԱՆՈՒՇ

Many anush-s I know were actually named like, Սիրանուշ/Sir-anush, Վարդանուշ/Vard-anush or Գեղանուշ/Gegh-anush.

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=1626&page=1&&do=findComment&comment=15912

After I wrote the above , I realized that I had confused Anastas with Athanas.(deatless). See below.

Meaning & History -Latinized form of the Greek name Αναστασιος (Anastasios) which meant "resurrection" from Greek αναστασις (anastasis) (composed of the elements ανα (ana) "up" and στασις (stasis) "standing")

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ANastas V ATHanas.

How Many Greeks do you know named Athanas/Athanasio?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasius_(disambiguation)

First off. I dont remember anyone else named Anastas in other cultures. Where and when did the Armenians find that word/name? I have not seen anyone named Anastasio(masculine) but we have seen several Anastasias (feminine).

Really?

Do you know anyone named so, Greek or otherwise?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasius_of_Antioch_(disambiguation)

Yes, we know this flower, Անմեռուկ, Immortal, Deathless

http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Անմեռուկ

See where it says

XERANTHEMUM ANNUUM L. Immortelle, Everlasting

http://botany.cz/en/xeranthemum-annuum/

http://armenian.name/index.php?a=term&d=1&t=407

Do you know anyone named Athanas/Աթանաս? I have seen some Greek names like Atnanasiou/Athanasio.

Yes, we know Many named Adana-li-ian., Van-li-ian, Sivas-li-ian, MarAsh-li-ian, Aitab-li-ians and more. To not forgzet all thez dolma-ji--ians.. One of many;

http://www.angieslist.com/companylist/us/ca/san-diego/jennifer-dolmajian-md-reviews-7213927.htm

http://armenian.name/index.php?a=term&d=5&t=91

 

ԱԹԱՆԵՍ =հուն. Athanasios, լատ. Athanasius, ռուս. ԸՒՈվՈրՌռ անունն է, որ նշանակում է անմահ. կազմված է a ժխտական ածանցով thanatos մահ բառից: Սրանից է Աթանասյան ազգանունը: Այժմ էլ կան Աթանաս անունը կրողներ:

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ATANAS =From Athanasios (Greek), Athanasius(Latin), Afanasiy(Russian)which means ''immortal''.It consists of ''a'' - negative prefix and thanatos - ''death''.The corresponding surname is Atanasyan.The name Atanas is still usable]/quote]

 

ATANAS =From Athanasios (Greek), Athanasius(Latin), Afanasiy(Russian)which means ''immortal''.It consists of ''a'' - negative prefix and thanatos - ''death''.The corresponding surname is Atanasyan.The name Atanas is still usable.

ԱԹԱՆԵՍ (ԱԹԱՆԱՍ)= հուն. Athanasios, լատ. Athanasius, ռուս. ԸՒՈվՈրՌռ անունն է, որ նշանակում է անմահ. կազմված է a ժխտական ածանցով thanatos մահ բառից: Սրանից է Աթանասյան ազգանունը: Այժմ էլ կան Աթանաս անունը կրողներ

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Nyone else names their son Anastas? Yes, we know some name their daughters Anastasia (feminine, v Anastasio/Anastasius, masculine).

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Let us first get off Athanas and concentrate on Aanastas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasius

 

Meaning & History From the Greek name Αθανασιος (Athanasios), which meant "immortal" from Greek α, a negative prefix, combined with θανατος (thanatos) "death". Saint Athanasius was a 4th-century bishop of Alexandria who strongly opposed Arianism.

VARIANT: Athanasios DIMINUTIVE: Athanas FEMININE FORM: Athanasia OTHER LANGUAGES: Atanas, Tase (Bulgarian), Athanasios, Thanasis, Thanos (Greek), Atanas, Atanasij, Tase (Macedonian), Atanase (Romanian), Afanasiy, Afanasy (Russian), Atanasije (Serbian)

http://www.biography.com/people/anastasia-9184008#awesm=~oFnVT99jVdsEex

And as to Athanas. See how many Greeks have that (sur)name in many different forms.

Thanatology= The art and science of death.

See also EUthansia=Good death?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thanatology

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Definition of THANATOLOGY= the description or study of the phenomena of death and of psychological mechanisms for coping with them.

** Its All Greek to me? I knew the idiom but I did not know where it came from. See where Shakespeare was the first to use the idiom in his drama Julius Caesar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_to_me

 

That's Greek to me or It's (all) Greek to me is an idiom/dead metaphor in English, expressing that something is not understandable.

** I question the below etymologies, if only by inference, (i.e. opposite of stasius. cannot stand).. To me, it sounds like immortal-deathless/անմահ

After I wrote the above , I realized that I had confused Anastas with Athanas.(deathless). See below.

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ANASTAS =From Greek name Anastasios which means ''resurrection''. It was used by many European nations. The Armenian name Harutyun is the translated variant of this name.

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ԱՆԱՍՏԱՍ =հուն.Anastasios անունից, որ անցել է եվրոպայի շատ ժողովրդների (լատ. Anastasius) . նշանակում է հարություն (մեր Հարություն անունը սրա թարգմանությունն է):

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Meaning & History -Latinized form of the Greek name Αναστασιος (Anastasios) which meant "resurrection" from Greek αναστασις (anastasis) (composed of the elements ανα (ana) "up" and στασις (stasis) "standing")

How many more skeletons in the proverbial closet?***

*** http://splendidmarbles.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/skeleton_closet4.png

Skeleton in the closet (idiom) or skeleton in the cupboard is a colloquial phrase used to describe a shameful secret.

**I question the below etymologies, if only by inference. To me, it sounds like immortal-deathless/անմահ

 

Stasis-: a state or condition in which things do not change, move, or progress

: Also consider -Status Quo- Standing Such.

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Meaning & History

Latinized form of the Greek name Αναστασιος (Anastasios) which meant "resurrection" from Greek αναστασις (anastasis) (composed of the elements ανα (ana) "up" and στασις (stasis) "standing").

[Arpa]

Hripsime comes from Greek? How so?

 

 

ՄԵՂԱՅ!!! MEA CULPA**, MY GUILT, MY FAULT, MY WRONG, MY SIN, MY BAD.

ԻՄ ՄԵՂՔԸ, ԻՄ ՅԱՆՑԱՆՔԸ, ԻՄ ՍԽԱԼԸ, ԻՄ ՎՐԻՊԱԿԸ

 

Ever since I wrote the above where I said Hripsimeh meant FALLEN

 

 

All is said about Hripsime is that it is from the Greek and that it means "ankyal/angyal", "fallen". I have no idea about its etymology.

ankyal/fallen ? It made no sense then, neither does it make any sense now. It has been haunting me since. I could not make the connection.

How did I FALL in that crappy TRAP?

I dont remember where I had seen that definition, but it has been bothering me since.

Could it be that I misread it or whoever posted it had misspelled ցանկալի/Disirable (ց)-անկեալ**** Wishful

tsankali/desirable to անկեալ/ankyal/fallen without the initial Ց/TS?

See # 5 above. We need better linguists. Not 12 year olds who cannot even write their own names in Armenian contributing to that Mickey Mouse , so calle Wikipedia..

Let-s take another look.

See # 2 here;.

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=7991&page=1&&do=findComment&comment=74724

http://armenian.name/index.php

HRIPSIMEH =The historian Agatangeghos first mentioned this name. According to Yeremia it means "great advice" or "desirable". The coll. form of this name Horomsim makes possible the connection of it with Hrom "Rome"(St. Hripsimeh whose temple is in Echmiadzin was from Rome). It is a spread name. The short forms are Hripsik, Hrip..

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ՀՌԻՓՍԻՄԷ=այս անունն առաջին անգամ հիշատակվում է Ագաթանգեղոս պատմիչը: Ըստ Երեմիայի՝ նշանակում է մեծ խորհուրդ կամ ցանկալի: Այն հանգամանքը, որ ժողովուրդը դարձրել է Հոռոմսիմ, հարկադրում է մտածել, որ անպայման Հռոմ բառի հետ է կապվում ինքը՝ Հռիփսիմե կույսը, որի տաճարը ցայսօր կանգուն է Էջմիածնում, հռոմեացի էր :Հռիփսիմե անունը չափազանց տարածված է ժողովրդի մեջ: Սրա փաղաքշական և կրճատ ձևերն են՝ Հռիփսիկ, Հռիփ:

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http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=23716

Please! In the Armenian the name ՀՌԻՓՍԻՄԷ written with the letter Ռ/RA not Ր/ Re And it is spelled ending with the letter ԷE not ԵYE, and the P is Փ not Պ*** Just as, at times the name is spelled as HriphsimA , where the Letter E is pronounced as the English A as in BAD/BED. As it is abbreviate to SIMA/quote]

Just because we have an allergy in the Armenian to words and names beginning with the letter Ր/R or Ռ/RR we begin them with the letter H as in Rome=H-rome, the Greek Rhiphsima to H-Ripsimeh etc.

Consider the English word Culpable=Guilty******

** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mea_culpa

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Thank you Mos

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=23716&page=1&&do=findComment&comment=263949

****Ցանկամ տեսնել զիմ Կիլիկիա

***** From the Latin.

 

 

Definition of CULPABLE 1 = : guilty, criminal =2 =: meriting condemnation or blame especially as wrong or harmful

St Hripsemeh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:St._Hripseme.jpg

 

[Arpa]

I may have found where all that confusions comes from.

 

All is said about Hripsime is that it is from the Greek and that it means "ankyal/angyal", "fallen". I have no idea about its etymology.

It is liIke, a pun, a play on words ԲԱՌԱԽԱՂ by Agathangelos, where he says a certain Yeremia had joked and invoked the Greek Ρ Ι Π Τ ς Ripso, Ripti hriptos/triptos to mean to throw , to cast , to fell.**

http://www.nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=35&pageNumber=1441

Referring to her fall/murder

Ըստ անուանդ քում արդարեւ ընկեցեալ եղեր. Like the meaning of your name, you became fallen, you fell.

** It was a joke alright. Have things really changed in those 2000 years? I wish our so called comedic historians and linguists would know enough to sort parlor games, պարապ վախտի խաղալիք from բառագիտանք etymology. Not unlike those comedians who says DOLMA. is an Armeno -Urartuan word, those comedians who dont know the difference between Jenats and Chinats tell us the Mamikoneans are Chinese and the Bagratunis are jewish. The saddest part is that many of us do actually believe them.

NO!!! I will never get over how a blatantly and undeniably furkish WORD to become part of our culture, and are devoted more than a dozen posts under the guise of HISTORY, CULTURE, and LANGUAGE***

Has anyone ever written about the Armenian WORD ԼԻՑ, LITS, ԼՑՈՆ .LTSON ?

Btw. All those pictures they show of the so called DOLMA are in fact Sarma. Terev Patouk, Leaf Wrap, yalanchi?/Liar/ Ստախօս, i.e meatless.

http://www.foodily.com/r/q48DhsQY7-armenian-stuffed-grape-leaves-yalanchi-sarma-by-global-table-adventure

***I would love to see him talk about KHASH and KHASHLAMA. BtW the KHASH psrt is Armenian and the la-ma ending is from the furkish.

[Arpa]

ՍՈՒՐԲ ՀՌԻՓՍԻՄԷ HRIPHSIMEH

ՑԱՆԿԱԼԻ, ՑԱՆԿԵԱԼ

DESIRABLE

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:St._Hripseme.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:St._Hripseme.jpg

A correction if I may.

Above Stormig posed this question.

 

 

 

Hripsime comes from Greek? How so?

And I answered. I should have looked further and deeper.

All is said about Hripsime is that is from the Greek and that it means "ankyal/angyal","fallen". I have no idea about its etymology.

I dont remember where I saw that անկեալfallen. I erroneously took it at face value.

Fallen? I was not totally convinced at the time.

As always, our allergy to words and names beginning with the letter R we add H or some other, as in Rome-Hrom etc. The Greek RIPHSIMA becomes H-Ripsimeh.

I had relied on the following

http://armenian.name/index.php?a=term&d=2&t=581

Note that the Greek PH- PHI- Փ is the same as the Armenian Փ to sound like F.

HRIPSIMEH =The historian Agatangeghos first mentioned this name. According to Yeremia it means "great advice" or "desirable". The coll. form of this name Horomsim makes possible the connection of it with Hrom "Rome"(St. Hripsimeh whose temple is in Echmiadzin was from Rome). It is a spread name. The short forms are Hripsik, Hrip.

ՀՌԻՓՍԻՄԵ =այս անունն առաջին անգամ հիշատակվում է Ագաթանգեղոս պատմիչը: Ըստ Երեմիայի՝ նշանակում է մեծ խորհուրդ կամ ցանկալի: Այն հանգամանքը, որ ժողովուրդը դարձրել է Հոռոմսիմ, հարկադրում է մտածել, որ անպայման Հռոմ բառի հետ է կապվում ինքը՝ Հռիփսիմե կույսը, որի տաճարը ցայսօր կանգուն է Էջմիածնում,

հռոմեացի էր :Հռիփսիմե անունը չափազանց տարածված է ժողովրդի մեջ: Սրա փաղաքշական և կրճատ ձևերն են՝ Հռիփսիկ, Հռիփ:

As above I was never satisfied with that fallen thing, and after long musings and search I found where it came from. Whoever that half baked scholar was , they totally missed and ignored the opening letter Ց in ՑԱՆԿԵԱԼ***=DESIRABLE. Yearnful and dwelt on ԱՆԿԵԱԼ=FALLEN.

Or did they see it here?

http://www.nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=35&pageNumber=1441

Where Agathangelos plays with words. Where he says, it may have been from Greek to mean ՆԵՏԵԼto throw, to be felled by an arrow. **

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Do we need better linguists and etymologists?

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** ՆԵՏNet/Arrow

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120926041630/assassinscreed/images/f/fe/Bow_and_Arrow_in-game.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Hayk_statue.JPG

http://www.nayiri.com/imagedDictionaryBrowser.jsp?dictionaryId=35

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Hayk_3.JPG

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Bow and Arrow ԱՂԵՂ եւ ՆԵՏIn the Armenian, the BOW is known as ԱՂԵՂ/Aghegh

Why?

Is it because the string of the bow was made of animal intestines ԱՂԻ--ԱՂԻՔ,aghi-(plural) aghiq?***

***See Khash, which beside it being from the legs of animals is also at times prepared from the innards (stomach and intestines) .

Why is the right hand tool in violin called BOW/ԱՂԵՂ?

http://elderly.com/images/new_instruments/115N/VB7-3-4.jpg

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Ցանկամ տեսնել զիմ Կիլիկիա,

Աշխարհ՝ որ ինձ ետուր արեւ

--

I yearn to see my Kilikia

The Land that gives me Sun.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhipsime

[Arpa]

Drat and double drat!!!

I cannot find and extended biography of St. Gayane. Not on the internet nor in print. When 40% of all the women in Yerevan are named so, and the other 60% named.... you guessed it... lilith.

All searches redirect us to the Cathedral in Her name. Gayane, at best is mentioned in passing only as a sidekick of St. Hripsime. as the abbess. mayrapet.

I will get back to Her under another category.

Of course, when books like the Hanragitaran were written Armenia was at a cynical atheistic mode where all pre-bolshevik culture was summarily dismissed as superstition-snapashtum-սնապաշտում, legend araspel, fairytale, fable** and hearsay.

**Like the fables of abraham, moses, noah and david?

Please note that in the Koran all of the above and more along with mohammed, ali and Jesus are called prophets.

Edited October 12, 2014 by Arpa