Nakharar Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. Ronald Reagan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 I used to think of all the billions of people in the world, and of all those people, how was I going to meet the right ones? The right ones to be my friends, the right one to be my husband. Now I just believe you meet the people you're supposed to meet. Diane Frolov and Andrew Schneider, Northern Exposure, The Quest, 1995 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted January 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 In ancient Greece (469 - 399 BC), Socrates was widely lauded for his wisdom. One day the great philosopher came upon an acquaintance who ran up to him excitedly and said: "Socrates, do you know what I just heard about one of your students?" "Wait a moment," Socrates replied: "Before you tell me I'd like you to pass a little test. It's called the Triple Filter Test." "Triple filter?" "That's right," Socrates continued: "before you talk to me about my student, let's take a moment to reflect and filter what you're going to say. The first filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell me is true?" "No," the man said: "actually I just heard about it and..." "Alright," said Socrates: "so you don't really know if it's true or not. Now let's try the second filter, the filter of Goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about my student something good?" "No, on the contrary ..." "So," Socrates continued: "you want to tell me something bad about him, even though you're not certain it's true?" The man shrugged, a little embarrassed. Socrates continued: " You may still pass the test though, because there is a third filter - the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about my student going to be useful to me?" "No, not really ......" "Well," concluded Socrates: "if what you want to tell me is neither True nor Good nor even Useful, why tell it to me at all?" The man was defeated and ashamed, and simply walked away. This is the reason Socrates was considered a great philosopher and held in such high esteem. It also explains why he never found out that Plato was sleeping with his wife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 It also explains why he never found out that Plato was sleeping with his wife style_images/master/snapback.png But is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Of course not. Plato was gay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted January 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Of course not. Plato was gay. style_images/master/snapback.png welll darn it...that's not as funny then! still the wisdom in the paragraph is useful... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Of course not. Plato was gay. style_images/master/snapback.png And is that one true either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted January 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 And is that one true either? style_images/master/snapback.png well of course it is...Nakharar said so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 PLATO (427?-347? B.C.E.) Athenian philosopher. The most famous student of Sokrates, Plato founded his own school, The Academy, where he taught philosophy and mathematics. It became the first university in Europe, and provided a basis for Plato's vast influence through the ages. As a youth, Plato was actively homosexual and had a number of male lovers. In the "Symposium", to illustrate the highest kind of love, Plato drew his examples solely from homosexual love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Have a look at the last quote which I found at wikipedia: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Plato If that isn't proof then, I don't know what is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 As a youth, Plato was actively homosexual and had a number of male lovers. In the "Symposium", to illustrate the highest kind of love, Plato drew his examples solely from homosexual love. style_images/master/snapback.png For some reason I am so sure that this is a gross misunderstanding, and maybe even based on pure gossip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 (edited) Have a look at the last quote which I found at wikipedia: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Plato If that isn't proof then, I don't know what is. style_images/master/snapback.png Hmm.. the quote is not about his own sexual orientation, is it? He is talking about "gay rights" let's say (I know there was no such thing at that time, but he was saying the same philosophically) Edited January 17, 2005 by Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 I was teasing you! And you fell for it. Sorry. In fact he condems it: http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~yount/text/plato-homo.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted January 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 oooooofffffffffff...you dragged this out too long ....so basically he was luvin' Socrates wife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Plato believed in an ideal love, a not carnal love. The ancient Greeks call it agape. It's the kind of love that Jesus and the early Christians also professed. Besides Plato is one of my favorite philosophers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted January 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Plato believed in an ideal love, a not carnal love. The ancient Greeks call it agape. It's the kind of love that Jesus and the early Christians also professed. Besides Plato is one of my favorite philosophers. style_images/master/snapback.png I prefer the carnal kind so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 I prefer the carnal kind so far style_images/master/snapback.png That only last for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 I was teasing you! And you fell for it. Sorry. In fact he condems it: http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~yount/text/plato-homo.html style_images/master/snapback.png That's how it always works, to the ignorant you can tell all kinds of truth-sounding lies, and they will believe you. It is common for average people to tell bad things about great people. And it usually involves lowest type of things such as sexual misbehaviour. Why is that? Because their imagination can't be higher than their overall consciousness level, which is basically animal life. So they will tell that a great philospher is gay, or cheating his teacher, or is an abuser or what not. To them agape is gay sex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted January 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 That only last for a while. style_images/master/snapback.png don't burst my bubble... ok back to topic....so Socrates never knew his wife was cheating on him...fascinating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 That's how it always works, to the ignorant you can tell all kinds of truth-sounding lies, and they will believe you. It is common for average people to tell bad things about great people. And it usually involves lowest type of things such as sexual misbehaviour. Why is that? Because their imagination can't be higher than their overall consciousness level, which is basically animal life. So they will tell that a great philospher is gay, or cheating his teacher, or is an abuser or what not. To them agape is gay sex. style_images/master/snapback.png These people were beyond us Sasun. That's why I envy them. But to some narrowminded people if you don't conform to common expectations you are automatically branded and stigmatized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 so Socrates never knew his wife was cheating on him...fascinating style_images/master/snapback.png But is that true Maral? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Socrates had a wife? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 In fact her name was Xanthippa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Socrates had a wife? style_images/master/snapback.png and for that fact she was a bad wife,..... so he became a philasopher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 and the moral of this whole story is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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