Attn: White Nationalists, Your History Theft

[hagopn]

Our own Blues Sister with a "Mission from God" has embarked on another long, long, long post... I promise to read every line, and quite honestly, I doubt that anyone else here has read every line!

 

Here is her "preamble:"

 

This is necessarily long for your edification . And for anyone else who stumbles on like racist/fascist tripe. For long, I've watched, read and held back here and I don't see these views much represented so openly as often. I urge you to read and think. I put it in English, because most of what I am talking about has been typed in English by these people. For all my hyes globally, I 've stated my reasons for referring often to the history of the Americas ( globalism).

 

Hear hear!, Lessss go.

 

To those who think I am "over reacting": ALOT of people do not know what an Armenian is, who we are , what our cultural values are., etc. The Net is a constant site for self-education. Alot of people may want to come here and be excluded because of the following attitudes I will point out.Especially; people of color, or Armenians who are mixed with non -Euros, have relatives who are, identify as such (POC), or who are not into racism, fascism or chauvanism. Or, we can have this board overrun - unchallenged - with racists, fascists and identity thieves. Let them say- and I will say too. Do you want this- a high traffic board- to be our face to those who are educating themselves about us ? Is this what you want to educate people with - without a challenge?

 

OH, deah Lawd no! I don't think you "overreact" to anything! OK, perhaps you go just a bit overboard. ...OK, you overrreact! You panic! CALM DOWN! --->

 

So take a deep breath, grab that baklava, bat your eyes -and read and think on this.

 

Hey! What about those minority diabetics?? DID YOU EVER CONSIDER THEM? HUH? WHAT SORT OF INJUSTICE IS THIS?? --->

 

Intro on Position

 

THIS is the INTRO???

 

Due to the fact that multilingual resources exist where you can educate yourself past 19th century versions of debunked racialist science, I will not engage in "point-by-point" debate, nor point out naturalist fallacies , logical implausibles and the like. I'm conveying content more than form. What you have said has consequence within as well as beyond "Armenian origins" or "racial identity".

 

Then why is there still this obession with "gen mapping" and identifying "genetic strains in tracing human migratory patterns"? I don't know, perhaps your much awaited "point to point" can elucidate a bit, but certainly this propaganda format will not.

 

Being that I am up to date on theory past the 19th century I employ a post-Comtian and non-positivist tone. In other words, I do not assume omniscience of perspective with the idea that I am removed from the social constructs and social reality of which I speak. I own my part in the production, construction and challenge of social reality. On being post-Comtian, I am not, however, an orthodox relativist or structural -determinist. Thoughts have their counterpart in action -i.e., praxis , theory+ action- and I recognize the importance of what may normally be thought of as abstract , intellectual masturbation. Some forget to ask themselves : " What are the 'power relations' behind this social fact? Who constructed it? Who benefits? Who doesn't? What is the history of this bit of "common sense" /"social fact"?'

 

Yes, do tell... (am I reading...)

 

Moreover, simply because I will tell you in this letter that certain social "facts" are socially constructed does *not* mean that they do not have real world implications and consequences. Nor does it mean that I am a postmodernist anti-science type; I value scientific knowledge, so long as it is indeed "scientific", while I retain the right -as any critical thinker ought - to question the consequences of specific scientific knowledge being applied in varied social contexts.

 

Fair enough.

 

Yet, I see no reason to bleed these statements of subjective or colloquial indicators of my strong positionally rooted perspectives (just to appease someones outmoded and unrealisitic idea of aloof 'rationality'). Sheer objectivity is old hash. Everything has an agenda , or subjectivity if you like, whether explicit or implicit. As the brilliant social scientist Pierre Bourdieu once pointed out, if it seems like a purportedly objective stance, it is simply upholding the status quo, - for good or ill. Valueing honesty as I do, I ( an *Armenian* woman) choose to be explicit in coming from a subjective and informed positionality of anti-racism and anti-fascism. Strong statements, such as I've observed here, deserve strong responses.

 

Interesting... This sounds very interesting. OK, I am all "ears." Let's bash empiricism once and for all! Down with it! ----> Ah bas la Bastille, (or was that Pastille?)!

 

That said. To the pseudo-scientific k$k I have witnessed on numeous occasions in these threads and others I say the following.

 

Teuton you wrote:

 

Wherever you go the definition for Armenoid is a swarthy, hook nosed ugly mongrel freak. Therefore most Armenians are Meds with an insignificant so called "Armenoid" minority that came into petty existence through admixture with Arabs, Iranians & Asiatics I will not reply to you,as you have already been outed. I will say it is relatively amusing, and proves my point of the conditionality of whiteness for Armenians , that you called another white-identified racist TashnagZinvor " swarthy " and "hook-nosed" re: " Or is that too much to ask for from a swarthy hook nosed so called "Armenoid –teuton

 

Ugh, I especially "like" the work of this maniac (no, really, a maniac) named "Arnold Leese." His "theory" is that "the Talmud was written by the Armenoid Strain in Jews..." Perhaps our "Aryanists" would like to think on this a bit. (Oops, I am being the Europhobe again!) No, seriously, "Aryan" is not a constructed and "invented" term, but it is corrupted in meaning. Never mind that stuff for now, we have READING TO DO... (my daughter is asleep, and therefore I shall read, and read some more!)

 

WARNING TO ALL HYES WHEN RESEARCHING RACE/ETHNIC IDENTITY ET AL!

 

Anyone who comes across strings of terms like Meds, Dinaric, Alpine, Armenoid, that is not in an outdated science reference, with a preponderance of terms such as "hook-nosed" and "swarthy" be extremely cautious. This is the discourse and the key words (especially that "meds' term) of a strain of "white nationalism". It is fascist , no matter what PR they try. Even the Ku Klux Klan is undergoing a PR redo.

 

OK, but consider also that you have left the door open to consider your biases, and I do appreciate your honesty. There is always *some* truth to this, and this *can* be used for the benefit of mankind if only in terms of learning mankind's historical migratory patterns. It just peaks my curiosity to learn, learn, and learn some more.

 

Then again, you could be right in that it's all bullsh**.

 

But... again, there are distinct phenotypes... aaaah, forget it---

 

Their goal ( the 'Legion Europa' types ) is the attempt to co-opt all non-African and non-East Asian ( and Indigenous, Polynesian, Austro-Pacific, you get the idea) peoples as a fascist bulwark against what they term "mud people". They believe themselves generous by trying to include us to bolster their numbers of so-called "white people". This is not merely an abstract excercise. Fascism is on the rise, and has led to real , live violence ( bombings, lynchings, desecrations, shootings, firebombings) against so-called "non-white" people everywhere from the Americas -including S. America -to Western and Eastern Europe. This includes Armenians for those who don't include "Meds" in their schema. If you value the suffering our ancestors went through in the name of Pan-Turanism, right-wing ethno-nationalism , and ethnically/racially motivated genocide, you will be on your guard and fight complicity with such ideologies.

 

Thank you for sounding this alarm, but there is an equally great concern on my mind: That we are creating another excuse to polarize mankind by creating opposite and irreconcialable camps/poles of "pro-Melanin and anti-Melanin" blah blah. The worst of it all is that we are letting thsi sickness bleed into our home front, Armenia herself!

 

The greatest bloodbaths have not been caused by these "effects," IMHO, but the actual CAUSE, which is IMPERIALISM herself, the art of desensitizing and using human masses for various purposes for definite ends.

 

OH, I see, "All is random and accidental." ok, sorry to bother you "open-minded and alert geniuses."

 

And-to put it bluntly

 

More so??

 

 

THESE TERMS ARE NOT SCIENTIFICALLY ACCEPTED BY ANTHROPOLOGISTS!

THESE TERMS ARE OUTDATED AND DEBUNKED!

 

OK! Time for class Children!

 

Please PLEASE see updated , legitimate anthropology sites ( <--- coming from an anthropology graduate)

 

OK, where are they?? (This is a long post, you know, and I'm a kinda gettin' lawst.)

 

You, T(ESH)nagZinvor, wrote:

 

 

Its no wonder your people are hated at such a level that people in America and Russia consider you "nigger-like". Tashnagtytyamp, MER HOGHERUH MER HOGHERUH (NOT IMPLYING EASTERN ARMENIA), you have yours, we have ours"

 

What? What is this chap referring to? OH, I SEE NOW WHY YOU ARE SO TICKED OFF!

 

And also : funny that there are also those who are extremely dark, whome do not have armenoid, dinaric, or nordic features, that claim to be armenian, yet look more like east indians/arabids/irano-afghans (i would say are Gypsies), that have overwhelmingly replaced armenoids with mongrels

 

This sounds like something from a cheap horror movie: "Aliens from Mars Land on Ararat and Rape the Golden Maidens."

 

Well , even if I pass I guess I'm just another churkie eh? Cause my Armenian family is and dark (and lovely, BTW). Wow. Can you spell *internalized racism*??

 

And guess what ? The *only* reason you get to declare yourself "White" is because of racism against African-Americans. White ONLY exits as a historic pole against BLACK- And this is relatively new! Read " How the Irish Became White" for more on the ARTIFICIAL CONSTRUCTION OF WHITENESS, WHICH NONETHELESS HAS REAL-WORLD CONSEQUENCES , ALA JASPER, TEXAS !!!! Or Amadou Diallo etc. etc ad nauseum.

 

Yes, how curious the modern "racism" is, but equally curious is ancient racism. Can you give examples of that, stuff that predates modern apartheid?

 

The whole dichotomy of race (while moving slowly away from the dichotomy thanks to anti-racist organizing and science), is is predicated upon an export of global whiteness. And as you may know ( or obviously don't) , it doesn't work everywhere. ASK THE "CHURKIES"/chyerniyess OF KRASNODAR !

 

This is a new term to me, "Churky."

 

Armenians and other Middle Easterners in the US had to go to COURT TWICE to be considered white 1909 and the 1920's. Armenians, Lebanese, Arabs and so forth were often stuck by the Jim Crow laws in the South , as they were thought to be "colored" or mulattoes or yellow #$%.( yeah-j/o- Middle Eastern does not equal Muslim. You can claim your Christian identity , progressive identity and so forth and be Middle Eastern. LEVANTINE DOES NOT BACKWARDS MAKE! Nor does Muslim-there are progressive strains like any other religion. If you buy that Orientalist bunk - read some Said, a Palestinian Christian - think again , or dismiss a good part of your history)

 

One thing is for sure: Said's passing was a great loss.

 

No, jaan- YOU are the one who needs a little education. You should know the history of "whiteness", its construction, and the implications of it before claiming it as an identity. Before you go into a variation of the "white massacre".

 

What about "the history of "Armenian," its (sic) "construction," and the implications of it before the claiming it as an identity?" OK, as the little old "devil's advocate (I always spell devil in lower case - it's a religious thing), what is the difference? Why is there a difference in your opinion? You have stated (ok, implied) enough that "primordialism" is pseudo-science and that "nationalities are of construct." You sound like you belong to the "Armenian Forum" fiasco in that sense, although I do somewhat agree (considering the folly of it) in "color identification" as a primary (or tertiary, for that matter) form of "identification." All disagreements aside, it's interested that you have noticed the "deconstructionist" danger looming in "color/race compartmentalizing" our small enough nation... Now, as I say, take care in not letting this "anti" thing turn into a religion. You know the story of Frankenstein. WELL, IT'S TRUE--

 

If it were not for the Civil Rights Movement by Blacks in the US opening the door of not just tolerance but celebration of ethnic identities and the political and social capital to challenge discrimination, then there might be very well have been even less left of Armenian culture in certain Western countries. And yeah, ironically, the Black/Brown/Yellow "power" movements had the effect of Euroamericans discovering/being more open about *their* ethnic heritages- sometimes inclusive and sometimes exclusive. Without that historical occurance of challenging institutionalized "white-as-norm" racism, many Armenians would have been too ashamed of being anything but Anglo ( and MANY WERE/ARE) and be more hell-bent on scrambling for those little white privilege cards even more than some are now!

 

Friend, if it were not for Lincoln, those "movements" wouldn't have had the pretext whence to launch their cause. If something is "opened up again," then there must have been a time when it was "closed up." IMO, the "closing" of "Europeans" is not due to some superficial "color scheme," and doubt that it ever has been. Again, Europeans are AS MUCH victims to IMPERIALISM, and that is the core topic that needs to be studied much more closely and with an honest and open mind.

 

Quite frankly, I don't see that in you, and I feel the need to say this even if this makes you angry. This is sad. So much education, and yet so little compassion and true soul-searching. Also, I am but a pion, and no flaming or bursting will change my mind, nor will it intimidate. I don't take well to that, as you might well find out. Your "self-contradiction" speech above sounds like typical academic's lip service, some sort of fake "Hegelian" disclamer.

 

Why is it that the ANCA , and Armenian orgs in France and elsewhere are working with African-American organizations on issues of reparations from Life insurance companies for the genocide? Do you think that this political capital would have *even* been available for us Armenians to bring to the table without the headway made by the Civil Rights struggle? Hmmm? I don't think so.

 

With all due respect, WHO CARES? May God rest his soul, I knew the late "lawyer" heading this fiasco personally (in fact, he was from my country of birth, IN AFRICA), and I didn't see any "noble streak" in his heart either.

 

To me these days, in this political mess of a context, the "word" activist merely means "someone the establishement allows to bellow and scream." That is all. There is hardly any genuine "fight" involved, since there is hardly any venue other than that which is allowed by The Big Oligopoly on Information (that Bagdikian so well described), and that is my private, my own, my proprietary opinion, that of a disillusioned "denizen of the moderan and more compassionate (sic) era" of professional meddlers pretending to harbor noble deeds at the center of their being.

 

They are just another tool for Imperialism, and that no one has been able to change in my mind. Perhaps it's your turn to try, and perhaps I might learn some "new realities" that such an "educated anthropoligist" might be able to provide. However, considering the dismal showing of "human beings" among so-called "modern day anthropoligists" (and I refer to Margaret Meade especially), I see no real reason to trust that "school of un-thought" either. That is my position at this point in time, and perhaps this might change. Let's see what stuff you have to throw. I have to tell you, though, things ain't lookin' that good yet.

 

That movement- and that of other sev-ish ppl like in India's anti-colonial struggle - revolutionized and gave hope to millions of people worldwide to find healthy acceptance of their identities and challenge various forms of oppressions & colonialisms ( hello Melkonian!) -be it British, French, Russian , Turk, or whatever. Also, East European people derived alot from that Civl Rights movement- the tactics, the discourse and so on ( Polish Solidarity movement? HELLO?)

 

"Hello, Goodbye, Whatever, Like..." Valley talk. Incredible.

 

"Healthy acceptance of their identities." What nice words! Gee, thanks. can we Armenians feel like we are good and healthy for thinking of ourselves as Armenians, no matter in which format, as "primordialists" or not? Yes, as hint at again below, Armeanisn are supposedly "allowed" to feel free to identify with their ethnic heritage, but "under certain conditions" beset by "activists." And those "conditions" are the most suspiciously Imperialist sounding tub of lard I have heard yet. If given the choice, and I thank to God for not having been given that choice, I would prefer the "whitie" talk over that sort of globalist nonsense.

 

Again, why is that subject to double-standards? If it's about this "power" thing, then the position of the pendulum of power must be looked at from the deepest and darkest recesses. You might find things that you didn't expect! "White power" and "White identity" are chosen as means to identify one's self for some, and that is their business, but I highly suspect that the "supremacist" add-on is to create maniacs called "activists" and vis versa. Ironically, "activists" are catalysts used to re-activate and exacerbate the conflicts that come from the waryness and fearsome attitude of those who harbor those "feelings of whiteness." They feel threatened more so, and they react in kind. It's like a deadly cycle of a sort, and it works beautifully!

 

Ah, never mind, "activists" always know "better."

 

And as far as how hegemonic notions of "whiteness" could have further acted to erase Armenian culture without the Civil Rights Movement , or our conditional "whiteness "being predicated upon static blackness , What about outmarriage? The fear of cultural loss and assimilation ? Which has had the most power in the history of the West where so many Armenian diasporas are? "White" as norm or "black" as norm? If you cite tokenistic media inclusion, then you are blind to power structures. Who has the institutional power to back-up the notion of normality, that "white" = the normal and default and everything else is "ethnic" or Other? So for immigrants to be "just normal" means " just white" ? Boy F$%in howdy!!! Anything to "whiten up"! And well, you say - that's very centered on America. WELL GUESS WHO'S DOMINANT CULTURAL VALUES HAVE BEEN GLOBALIZED?

 

OK, Whose "dominant cultural values"? I for one didn't know "Soul Train" and "rap" represented "White America." Why would "Whities" spread non-white culture? Are you ready to confront those who have different opinions on that matter as well? I doubt it, especially on this point, at least thus far.

 

If it weren't for the Blacks , who you so obviously disparage , the legal mechanisms wouldn't be in place to protect your ASS! After 9-11, alot of uneducated people of Western/Eastern European descent ( white identified folks ) might have just LYNCHED YOU! AND IN FACT, MANY ARMENIANS HAVE BEEN THE VICTIM OF HATE-CRIMES & PROFILING AFTER 9-11, including my uncles, father and grandfather.

 

9-11 is something that I will touch upon by avoiding you, and the reasons are that 1) I will be making references to races and groups that you might think of as "victims," regardless of your citiation of Said. Mandela, by the way, hated certain "victim people" more than the media here would like to admit, and he was in fact deposed (yes, I have inside info) for this precise reason: i.e. he made remarks that he should not have about the "Magical People." The poor "whites," really. They are really in no better position that the "blacks."

 

HOW CAN YOU COLLABORATE IN FASCIST RACISM WHEN ARMENIANS ARE CALLED "BLACKS" ( as are other "caucasians"-how funny) IN RUSSIA AND HARASSED/ASSAULTED?

 

I call that an indication of a trigger behind an agenda. What do you call it?

 

DO YOU HATE YOURSELF SO MUCH? AND YOUR MOTHERS?

maybe YOU look white, - and you obviously have felt pressured to identify as such, forcibly white-washed, it seems- BUT ARE YOU SURE EVERYONE ON YOUR ANCESTRAL LINE DID? I doubt it. Honor your ancestors. I honor all mine, whatever their melanin content. Can you say the same?

 

No comment needed.

 

and "get racism from Hayastancis yes, calling me white boy, odar, and this and that. However I will always feel at home with the true Armenians, my Armenians"

 

The AYF is doing a "great job" eh? I say, this is beyond reality.

 

And you said that Hayastan was full of "Gypsy Jews", and "a shithole" that you wouldn't go to.

 

Did he now?

 

Well. It is obvious to me that you are most likely either one of these two ;

 

1.) You are a white supremacist/nationalist /pan (fascist)-European masking as an Armenian . Hayeren doesn't matter. Although an educated fascist seems an oxymoron, it is feasible (and I know of some and *who you are*) for those obsessed with the so-called " race war" to learn a little Armenian. "Now you too can co-opt a history of oppression and make it appear that the so-called " white man" is under siege by claiming your very own "genocide"™!!" By stealing our history ! Yay for more theft!! Our lands lost, our people- not enough! Now our very history up for grabs for the ends to which our ancestors died even ! Pretty perverse, when you look at the history of the Tasmanians (not one left), Native Americans ( google "Ishi" if u dare), Africans, Tainos and (too) many others all subject to a certain type of genocide predicated upon notions of "racial superiority" originating with a privileged class in Europe. Not satisfied, you grab OTHERS! I have seen this co-option of the Armenian genocide on the Hatewatch site's monitoring of white power sites. It is becoming a trend for these White Power sites to cite the Armenian genocide to garner political capital.

 

I WON'T HAVE ANYONE HIJACK AND RIP-OFF THE TRAGEDY AND PAIN OF MY FAMILY & OTHERS , GOT IT?? I HAVE HAD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

OK, fair description of a new trend (that includes the NRA, by the way.)

 

Or maybe....

 

2.) You are as you described yourself- a "depigmented Armenian". As such, being that many are people of color, you have developed an insecurity . To compensate for this insecurity, you have mistakenly and tragically taken up the banner of "white supremacy", and have chosen to rewrite the history of Armenia with this in mind. If it is what is has always appeared that -if we take an outdated Western scientific notion of race- that we are multi-racial ad multi-ethnic even by your convoluted standards, then your attempt to wipe out the diversity of our history by focusing on the European elements of our cross-roads culture alone MAKES YOU COMPLICIT IN THE GENOCIDE!

 

You remind me of some older Algerians I've talked to , who , under the rule of the French became haters of their own complex culture and Francophiles so that they could garner acceptance ( i.e., "get cookies") by certain racist French people and the colonizers. It gave them access to certain things as being a token-and a collaborator.It is a slavish mentality.

 

It is one based upon the tragedy of internalizing colonization and viewing yourself through the eyes of a dominant power conceived as the norm. Please read some Paolo Freir or Frantz Fanon for an excellent foray into this. In your case, you would be suffering in a Fanonian sense from a "White Mask" phenomena. The mask that you wear becomes you. In which case, you read as "white", and as such, have internalized it to an extreme in order to compensate for your feelings of insecurity about Eastern elements of your heritage. Look, there is nothing to be ashamed of. You need not see the world divided into two halves ( the "Orientalist" paradox) where Eastern= backwards, dark, inferior, "exotic"/savage, religious oppression and Western = forwards, light, superior, normal, secular. I know it's hard, especially nowadays, to resist that Manichaen and dualist thinking, but you'll benefit if you try. If you don't, you sell out on facetsof our history valuable beyond anyones bianry designations.

 

In the Freirian sense, since you have a history of oppression, when you try liberate yourself and reclaim your dignity and subjectivity outside of " victimhood" ( a problematic basis of identity, I know) , the main model you have as a " free agent" from victimhood is that of the perceived powerful. So , you adopt, construct and internalize *that* identity as a sign that you are free and dignified- a powerful superior, "civilized" man as opposed to a victimized minority. However, when others around you remind you of that experience of "victim" ( the perceived role of the "inferior" or "powerless") you resort to hatred/racism/fascism as a method to distance yourself to retain your feeling of power and superiority. You " blame the victim" as it were. Whatever degree of fact-finding or intellectual glossing you engage in to uphold your superior-ized indentity, you have simply reversed the scientific method . Meaning you go from an answer to the question and not the reverse.

 

I.e., you

 

1.) start with the assumption/wish that Armenians are the "pure Whites, Aryans" whatever, which makes you feel powerful and superior. and then

 

2.) go a -hunting for facts to prove this. History, Armenian history, fallacious geneaology, debunked Carleton Coon anthropology or that BS " human race calculator" site, photos from that other joke " Legion Europa" where you cut, paste and proceed to apply outdated science to your "specimens" ( how dehumanizing-teh exact clap-trap the nazis did and do.. in fact, where a lot of that data comes from)

 

& when you find evidence to the contrary , or are confronted with the reality of (gasp!) swarthy, Armenians or evidence of "non-euro/"white" genetics , culture et cetera you simply

 

3.) denounce them as non-Armenians.

 

WALLAH! Armenian Aryan Superman Fantasy Accomplished!!

 

Is it much better or less imaginative than the "activists cream dream" of pretending to be the better human being than others by going overboard in their institutionalization of "anti-hate" behavior? Hasn't anyone yet discovered that two wrongs don't make a right? Has ANYONE OUT THERE noticed that the pattern left behind by these successive "civil rights" pseudo-revolutions have not left the "positive" trace that they are advertised as doing?

 

Your long speeches are wonderful, and often full of valid points of poignant criticism of the ignorant racism that was prevalent and was harmful to all minorities and ethnicities. Fine, let us be "thankful" of the "gifts of such movements," but, again, the overall trend is not a positive one. It is, ironically, an age where the "non-identity" is more so encouraged and glorifed by using, yes USING, the very "victim" groups in rageful and uncompassionate ways. The idea of a "non-identity" is the single ost destructive force among our Armenian youth, and perhaps you have been living in your cocoon and have not noticed this. The puresly sexual self-identification, the objectification of the individual, the grossly premature sexualization of the children, the tormenting media pressure against parents and the tradition pedagogy... the list goes on and on. "Black, white, blah..." Superficial trash.

 

This again stinks as just a change in MO of Imperialism, our oldest and grandest foe, that which dehumanizes in pendulum swings. But "activists" and "anti-hate hate groups" (just one of the many "ironies of civil rights") don't care. They are the "artistocrats of today," but are too stupid to notice where, just WHERE they suddenly were "given voices" with which to yell out their rage!

 

Yes, this chap above is a victim to this "non-identity" trend more so than any endemic "whitie" wish for "supremacy." Although it is doubtless true such "supremacist's gratification" is involved, but I wager that it is not as high in percentage as our polarizing "activists" would like us to believe.

 

I am sorry that your marginalization and alienation- if what you said is true, than it's a real shame-, has led you to this.[and despite my dislike of you, I am sincerely sorry that you have felt outcast or "odar-ified" - IMNSHO, white supremacy is more of a threat to Armenian culture, as we are continually being white-washed and made invisible by a racist power structure based on the inability to recognize peope for their own designations and force them into little boxes from a tripartite racial classification system that anthropolgists and scientists declare "unscientific". If we wanna be "accepted" we're all like " Armenians in Eastern Europe - blah, blah! Yeah ,and so is our neighbor Iran where alot of us historically have been. When's Syria gonna be in the EU? Cilicia? Hello? [/i]

 

More valley talk! Christ!---

 

This above just keeps building and building, but it is blindingly blind.

 

Of course there will be some confusion. My god, just the geographic designation has put us in Southwest Asia, Near East, Middle East, Russian Empire, West Asia, Caucasia, Transcaucasia and the most recent "Eastern Europe" - who hye would not be confused in a world constructed as E/W or on a racially false tripartite scale? And a designation of Western Europeans ( ala "whites") as Caucasian created by a horny Blumenbach guy who thought that because Georgian women were hot that the Caucasus was where all "white" people came from ? ( <-- true story. Look it up in anthropological history. )

 

Yes, we are aware of this "gentelman's Legacy" and the origins of the Caucasian word. Yes, we know. I have seen this mentioned thousands of times, and for this reason, I can safely say that we, Armenians, non-Armenians, WE KNOW, but this is not the main problem we face. It is amazing how "activists" serve as smoke-screens in worse ways than their predecessor tools the "racists."

 

Of course.. BUT THIS? And who, pray tell, helped define the pressures of assimilation, of hegemony? Who defined the rules of the game since the rise of mercantalism and capitalism in Europe and engaged in the colonization of the world? It sure wasn't Africans , Indians, Asians (Ok. Japan colonized Korea, and there's probs with the Ainu) or Armenians! And it was only a privileged , if influential, percentile of the colonizers native homelands who produced these demarcations.

 

Ah, the "inherent Evil of the White" myth again. How do you know that "Blacks" were not equally ruthless colonizers in their own heyday? Did the Songhai Empire treat its "black" subjects humanely, any more humanely than the British did the Indians?

 

What retro-racist trash.

 

What, first they get to sell out my homeland by having the power to define the borders and treaties AND NOW I'M SUPPOSED TO LET THIS SAME STRUCTURE DEFINE ME? HELL no!

 

Oh, you brave person you. Just fall in line with the new "activists, the New and True Self-Appointed Feudal Lords of and for the Opressed" and lead us into the non-identity abyss, the new form of "racism," the "anti-nationalism" that is perhaps 100 times as harmful and lethal for us Armenians than the past forms of Imperialism. Tiglath's game was child's play.

 

But guess what? You , and other fascists, aren't gonna come into these spaces without a fight. I've had to do it before, in more than one way & with the scars to prove it , and I won't shirk this to let you engage in theft.

 

Right, "fight on," and drive the wedge e'er more deeply.

 

I won't have it so that if some poor alienated Armo kid in , say, Florida is having understandable confusion over his/her racial-ethnic identity, that it's THIS crap that s/he sees... That you use to recruit him/her or your "Legion Europa", your "Stormfront", CHS , AYF , World Church of the Creator, Christian Identity, Aryan identity or other WP 88 psycho crap.! There are ALOT of alienated hye kids out there, and for many of them , their only Armenian historical education is online or distant, even if their families are newly arrived . Or there are those who live under extreme pressure or ignorance who feel forced to identify in a certain way and the dominant culture doesn't allow them much room in the little racial check-boxes when they come to a country that has them-or even those who have been in such countries for generations! And I have seen this happen. And I have seen what happens to those Armo kids when they go offline ( like in FLA) and those WP ( white power) types see him and thinks " swarthy, hook-nosed, covert Jew/sand#$. A visit to the emergency room and dealing with people like you make me not tolerate you in the name of " free speech". Guess what? Free speech is two ways. This is my response and my statements. Deal.

 

And they will come in droves, friend, but you are not one bit prepared to "save their souls." You are merely there to "show them a good fight." You will have forgotten, as you show signs of having eroded such thoughts from your mind already, that they are victims, despite your claim of profiling their "internalized" phobias. I don't think that you care that much about that. You seem to be more concerned about protecting your ground and your "adopted biases." You have the MO of a modern "academic." "People be damned for ideas."

 

Welcome to the days of the Guillotine.

 

OK,I could be wrong, but, hey, "internalization" is a double-edged sword. "Internalization" of "victim status" might not merely lead to "obsession with the victimizer" but also "obsession with the victim condition," and who said that the desire to "assume the role of Knight in Shining Armor to Save the Opressed," or perhaps the "Robin Hood" complex is not just as lethal (and useful to, yup, Imperialists).

 

When I am less tired... I will write more. For now, I don't care. My daughter, my OWN daughter, is waiting for me to put her to sleep.

 

Good night, and God Bless

 

(to be continued)