Arpa Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Hamamshen;As we see below the original name of Hamshen was Hamamshen, i.e built by Hamam. Simonian's article explains the history perfectly. This name had puzzled me for a long time. We take it for granted that the founder's name was Hamam. How does this make sense as the most common meaning of the word that we know is "bathouse". A man named "bathouse"? NO! The "bathouse" meaning of the word is from Persian/Turkish, yet we forget that all that migration happened during another era, the Arabic conquest. AHA!! I should have known better but I did not realize until I asked Hrachya (Ajarian). "hamam" in Arabic means "dove" (Joseph P, correct me if I'm wrong), it is still used, in fact, I remember that during Ramadan there would be a very popular sugar confection called "beit ul hamam" (dove's nest), even if the Arabs use the more common diminutive form "hamameh" (little dove), "hamam" does mean "dove". Why was Prince Hamam called a dove? Goood question! But it makes more sense than being called "bathouse". Referring to the early history of this group, Simonian stated thatArmenians had immigrated to the Black Sea coast region in 791 to escapethe oppressive fiscal policy of the Arab Caliphate. The Byzantineemperor, Constantine VI, settled them, and one of their leaders, PrinceHamam Amatuni, established the town of Hamamshen, the exact location ofwhich has not been discovered to date. Simonian explained that the name'Hamamshen' gradually turned into 'Hamshen' and, eventually, to thepresent day 'Hemshin'. Sireli Tigran, Ishkhan Hamami! Kez al Barew jan@s.Bari ekar Hosh geldin WELCOME!!!Lost and Found??No!It seems you were never lost.Even then we are extremely happy to find you.Please don't apologize for your English, it is more than adequate and you are welcome to use any language you wish. You can write in German, I am sure there those of us that can translate, and even in Turkish, I will attempt and translate, even if my Turkce is a little rusty and archaic(Ottoman/Anatolian).Let us get the duduk, the dhol and the parkapzuk out and and give Tigran a glorious welcome.And please, please, Axel and his like minded company before bringing up religious issues read the New Testament (the hell with the Old Testament) passages below the parables of the Lost Sheep and the Prodigalk Son. Once again, Bari ekar Tigran,Hay em yes, hay em yes,Sarsapetsek im dzerkes,Hayastan@ AzatoghKaj Vardani torn em yes. WE LOVE YOU!!! barev can"s, pharigiseri I do see ; you talk over uns.ich can not well English. no problem??. Our souls are togetter.)). we are feeling hy. that is primery.)yes, we are historicel-hayks from hayassa. we are the(i am) Grandchilds of Prince hamam h/amatuni.Wir are not destroyed. We live. We lost our language. We lost our religion. this no problem for us.We have our Hy-Idendity. we have our power.we have our history from 4000 tausend years.the homsetsi"s living on historicel area hamsen-hemsin nord-east anatolian(west-armenian) many people from hamshen speeking grapar now.its dangures for us, because the officels reaction states of turkey,of us is to agressiv, because we want our identity.they are living ca. 5 millions converted-hays of west-hyastan(today on the turkey). we are coming slowly, with a big power.sorry for my english. i can good german. we are yes hy emyes hy emkach vartanin tornem yeshomsetsi-hy em yesi hopp ,you anderstand it hemsin basköylügrandchild of the Prince hamam hamatuniprince tigran hamam hamatuni k. hemsin basköylü Posted: Nov 12 2003, 06:34 PM =============== Hamshentsa;http://armenians.com/forum/index.php?showt...t=0entry25114Bible, King James Version Luke.15[1] Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.[2] And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.[3] And he spake this parable unto them, saying,[4] What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?[5] And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.[6] And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.[7] I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which nee++++++++++++[11] And he said, A certain man had two sons:[12] And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.[13] And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.[14] And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.[15] And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.[16] And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.[17] And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger![18] I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,[19] And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.[20] And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.[21] And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.[22] But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:[23] And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:[24] For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.[25] Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.[26] And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.[27] And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.[28] And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.[29] And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:[30] But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.[31] And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.[32] It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.------- Matthew Matt.18 [10] Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.[11] For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.[12] How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?[13] And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.[14] Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. 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bellthecat Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 Referring to the early history of this group, Simonian stated thatArmenians had immigrated to the Black Sea coast region in 791 to escapethe oppressive fiscal policy of the Arab Caliphate. The Byzantineemperor, Constantine VI, settled them, and one of their leaders, PrinceHamam Amatuni, established the town of Hamamshen, the exact location ofwhich has not been discovered to date. Simonian explained that the name'Hamamshen' gradually turned into 'Hamshen' and, eventually, to thepresent day 'Hemshin'. That is just silly - almost as silly as the theory (now conveniently abandoned?) that they were emigrants who came from Ani after the city's fall to the Turks. The Byzantine empire had no authority in these regions, so could not have "settled" anyone there. Do not confuse real history with nationalist fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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