Arpa Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 No gobble gobble in E-rock!!Buck-buck-buck-buuuuuck!!! When will Uncle Sam realize what a chicken that turkey is, and what a fake friend??Some day the US will realize that Turkey is no friend to no body and she is a pariah in her own neighborhood. Once a gain. All together now. Buck-buck-buck-buuuuuck!!! http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story....0&w=APO&coview= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 (edited) http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story....0&w=APO&coview=Oh man, that made my day... the only answer I can have is, believe it or not... I KNEW IT !!! I could have predicted that a month ago, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I had a discussion with a friend of mine, and told him exactlly what would happen, and that, weeks ago... Cak, cak, bwak, bwak, bwak, bwak... Edited November 8, 2003 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 An Eminem T-Shirt sparked a deadly fight in Istanbul, Turkey's Kucukcekmece district yesterday. Vendor Hayrettin Demir was hawking the T-Shirts, shouting Eminem, which 19-year-old Dilaver Akkurt took as an insult to his mother. Akkurt told Demir that his mothers name was Emine. "Eminem" means "my Emine" in Turkish. A knife fight broke out between the two men and Demir died of multiple stab wounds at the scene of the fight. Police have detained Akkurt, who was being treated for stab wounds at a local hospital. They are searching for a friend, who they believe was the actual killer and is still at large. http://www.allhiphop.com/hiphopnews/?ID=2518 Lets start exporting Eminem T-shirts to Turkey. They might finish with themselves without our assistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted November 8, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 An Eminem T-Shirt sparked a deadly fight in . "Eminem" means "my Emine" in Turkish.At the risk of trivializing an otherwise serious subject. For a moment I though you would say that "aminem" sounds like a very colorful and graphic word, having to do with one's mother in Turkish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph parikian Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 Back to what is going in Irak these dayes i read this artical -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------To cutting down US losses in IraqBy George S. Hishmeh WASHINGTON — The deadliest single attack by Iraqi insurgents on American forces since the US occupation of Iraq last March, resulting in the death of 17 US soldiers aboard a military helicopter on their way for a short-term break at home, has rattled the American political landscape. One key senator, Joseph R. Biden Jr., the senior Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has called for sending more American troops to the battle zone. Another, the chairman of that committee, Senator Richard Lugar, Republican of Indiana, seconded a suggestion to President George Bush to hold a summit meeting with his German and French counterparts, seeking their financial and military support, which has been withheld since the US and Britain decided to go it alone against Iraq's Saddam Hussein. The blast from a shoulder-fired missile came on the heels of another sophisticated rocket assault two weeks go on the cordoned Baghdad hotel that services the US occupation authority and where Deputy Defence Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz was staying during his just-concluded inspection tour of Iraq. This “dramatic escalation in lethality”, as one former official of the National Security Council described it, followed a wide-ranging debate here on whether the bloody events in Iraq mirrored those that took place in Vietnam, four decades ago, and which contributed to the American defeat in Southeast Asia. The impact of these disastrous events reminded a Washington Post writer of a similar incident about 10 years ago. He wrote: “Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, after the October 1993 `Black Hawk Down' battle in Mogadishu, Somalia, in which 18 US soldiers died, is said by an aide to have remarked that those losses would result in a change in US policy because the American people did not understand why the battle had occurred.” Whether it does, remains to be seen. But all indications must not be very encouraging for Bush, who will be facing a tough election year that has begun this week. For the first time, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll conducted last week, a slight majority, 51 per cent, of those surveyed said they disapproved of Bush's handling of the Iraq situation. Despite these dismal events, it is very unlikely that an American pullout from Iraq will take place very soon, much as many here and overseas would wish it. Even if a Democratic administration is elected next year, a good possibility despite the upturn in the US economy, it is unlikely to precipitate a speedy pullout. There is too much at stake, both for the United States, as the leading world power, and for Iraq, where the security situation remains precarious, particularly since Saddam Hussein is still at large. The hollow victory that the US basked in after the recent unanimous vote at the UN Security Council, belatedly supporting its intervention in Iraq, has not resulted in financial and military support for the US-led occupation. Likewise, the recent donors conference in Madrid to foot the reconstruction bill in Iraq has fallen short of the mark. One thing the Bush administration has overlooked is what the countries surrounding Iraq — Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, Turkey and Egypt — can contribute to the pacification effort. The foreign ministers of these countries held their fourth session in Damascus last weekend, a meeting that was overshadowed by the flap over the last-minute invitation to the Iraqi foreign minister who felt snubbed and regrettably declined to participate. Whatever the merit of the case, there is no doubt that with some serious backdoor diplomacy, the matter could be resolved. If so, this would hand the Bush administration a golden opportunity to try and woo these crucial states fearful of widespread turmoil in the region. But the promise of support from Iraq's neighbours is contingent on the Bush administration's willingness to examine its reckless policy towards the region. Take the case of Vice President Dick Cheney, to cite but one example, who has now appointed a most controversial neoconservative scholar known to The Forward, an American Jewish publication, as being close to the Israeli right. In recent years, David Wurmser, described by the paper as having “a complex network of relationships to a variety of pro-Likud think tanks and activist groups, has frequently written articles arguing for a joint American-Israeli effort to undermine the Syrian regime”. His wife, Meyrav Wurmser, heads the Middle East Studies department at the conservative Hudson Institute and is a founder of the Middle East Media Research Institute, or Memri, which translates Arabic press reports and which critics say highlights negative views of the West, according to Forward. This little-publicised appointment came weeks before the assembled foreign ministers in Damascus said they supported the US-appointed Iraq Governing Council “in carrying out its transitional responsibilities until the formation of an elected and fully representative Iraqi government”. How the Bush administration, which sees a prolonged American stay in Iraq, hopes to cut down its losses there without playing ball with key European and Middle Eastern nations remains a puzzle, in fact a dilemma. But in this election year, all bets are off. Friday-Saturday, November 7-8, 2003 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who was the DUMB that did not believe that the USA war in Irak was not planed in Israel by the Right Wing Lekud Close to 30 American soldires lost their lives in less than a weekAnd one more thing with all these Saddam lookalikes that the CIA was telling us that Saddam has them i wish that they capture at least one of them he mite know where he is hiding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 For a moment I thought there was an e-rock concert somewhere. That is already old news (by at least two days): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...8-2003Nov5.html What is it with you guys? Are you seriously pro-Amerikanski/pro-Bushski on this issue? I thought it was great! Especially the first time when they piled up their stuff on their base and then were told to get out and not have the door hit the arse on the way out...Cowards are the Amerikanski soldiers in that army of losers with their inferiority complexes that put sacks over the heads of people they feign taking hostage.Let the Amerikanskis clean up their own mess and be left with wondering what's wrong with their Quisling government which doesn't seem to be rolling over and agreeing with everything. Poor Amerikanskis, I feel sorry for them, no friends, even their doggies don't like them. Oh wait, I forgot Israel - or did I? Love that only money can buy... http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle...sp?story=460551 Israel destroys US-built wellsBy Justin Huggler in Jerusalem05 November 2003 The US has reportedly complained after the Israeli army destroyed wells built for civilians in Gaza by an American government aid agency. Huge areas have been demolished by the Israelis in the Gaza Strip in recent weeks, including more than 150 homes. The wells had just been dug by the United States Agency for International Development (USAid). A few months ago the agency announced a $20m (£12m) project to rebuild infrastructure including roads, electricity supply lines and sewers in the occupied territories. The agency was reporting good progress. But its workers were dismayed when they turned up to finish the wells and found that their work had been destroyed. A source at the American embassy said that when USAid complained, the Israelis told them that they demolished the wells because Palestinian militants had been hiding in them. That has been a regular claim from the Israeli military to justify demolishing houses in Gaza - but in recent weeks whole streets have been knocked down. Israel has also been accused of trying to move refugee camps away from the border with Egypt. Spokesmen at the American embassy were careful not to criticise the Israeli army. But according to reports in the Israeli press yesterday, they were less diplomatic behind the scenes. The newspaper Ma'ariv reported that the US had threatened to stop all reconstruction work unless the Israeli army promised not to demolish anything built by the Americans. Paul Patin, a spokesman for the embassy, denied that. He said: "We don't have any plans to leave." But the Israeli authorities are reportedly dismayed at the incident. Ma'ariv quoted unnamed political sources as calling it a "failure". Someone identified as a "high-ranking political official" said: "The Palestinian population is not Israel's enemy." Although Gaza is on the coast, the overpopulated strip suffers severe shortages of clean water, and many drink salt water. Wells are of vital importance. The Israeli army's blunder came after the US State Department said that it would ask Congress to approve $2.2bn of military aid for Israel in 2005, $60m more than the allocation for 2004. The increase is part of an agreement made in the 1990s to reduce economic assistance to Israel by $120m a year and simultaneously increase military aid by $60m a year. But the US has since agreed an extra $9bn of loan guarantees over three years to bail out the Israeli economy, in serious trouble after three years of the intifada. The costly military response, led by the Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, has severely damaged tourism and investment in Israel. 6 November 2003 14:24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 (edited) Assuming that this thread is supposed to look seriously at serious issues, one can contemplate that from a long-term perspective the developments around the potential participation of Turkish forces in Iraq are headed in an overwhelmingly positive direction for the nations of the region. Obviously, the new and changing realities necessarily lead to a conceptual and actual readjustment of Turkey's presumed role in the region. It is going to become increasingly obvious that putting too much stock on Turkey leads nowhere and her significance is going to only further diminish in the region from a geopolitical perspective. It would not be a far fetched assumption to claim that things are developing towards a very desirable and expected outcome. Edited November 8, 2003 by MJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 Agreed MJ..though I suspect we differ on much as well. The whole thing is a terrible mess though - don't you think? With prospects of getting much worse in so many ways...I think I may need to start believeing in/hoping for miracles...as we are going to need one...we are backed into the proverbial corner...in many ways we are relying on the Iraqis for soem enlightned slef interest...we are potetinally providing them with a tremndous oppurtunity...but will they have the gumptin to succesfully take advantage of it...in face of all the forces to the contrary...and whatcan possibly be done to improve our image...in/to the world and in specifically in the Arab (& Islamic) world & middle East in general...is there any hope? And if not (as I fear)...I feel for the world and situation that we are handing our children...I have to think that we can do better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 The whole thing is a terrible mess though - don't you think? No, I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 No, I don't think so. Hmm well I imagine that there are folks in Washington with a job for you...yes yes yes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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