Media Coverage Of Sev's In The Diaspora

[Vigil]

This proposition might sound radical to some... but what you are proposing has been already proposed in the past when Armenia was still in the Soviet-Union... the proposition was since we could not have an independent homeland anywhere in the Caucasus or Anatolia, we could maybe found one in Africa.

 

I don't know if some have already heard about this and have more info.

 

Yeah, Domino, the way this forum is mixing up cultural genocide with preservation I am sure you are right.

 

Well, if we indeed are "Africans" then we should in no sense claim we are 'European" due to the fact that historically we migrated from "Africa". In fact claiming we are “Semitic” would indeed also be inaccurate at this point.

 

Furthermore claiming that we genetically are somewhat pure also is "wrong" because face it Armenians are not black, so, in essence we are mongrels like Jews and Turks.

 

Hell claiming that we indeed come from Urartu lineage is also wrong and furthermore allowing the lie that we indeed migrated from the “west onto the Armenian Highlands around 600 BC” is also wrong.

 

Yes, your right Domino I think we are indeed Africans. We should now perform female vaginal mutilation.

Edited July 15, 2004 by Vigil

[nairi]

I just find it funny how "Armenians" try and find reasons as to why its ok to inter-racially and inter-ethnically marry.

I have yet to meet a bigger moron than you. Even Dan doesn't qualify.

[Vigil]

I have yet to meet a bigger moron than you. Even Dan doesn't qualify.

 

Why insult me?

 

Listen Nairi all I am saying is that my ancestors were "white", which in no way am I saying is better then being black, but if Armenians want to be "black" then they forfeit their right to call the Armenian Highland their point of origin due to the fact that historically only a Indo-European stock have called the Armenian Highland their home. In fact "Hindus" themselves refer to themselve as a Indo-European race, which means that you are wrong in placing their origins near or in Africa.

 

Face it you know I am right, but just are resorting to name calling in order to discredit me.

 

By the way I was being sarcastic in my previous 2 posts.

Edited July 15, 2004 by Vigil

[nairi]

Fact is Vigil, that these mixed kids didn't choose to be mixed. What are you asking of us? To exterminate or ostracize them? I never placed anyone anywhere. I merely observed that some of the children who were growing up among Armenians in New Julfa and who had Armenian parents, didn't "look" particularly Armenian. Maybe one of their grandparents had mixed. We're ALL mixed somewhere. It's not the blood that counts or the look, but the fact that there are still people out there who call themselves Armenian, regardless of the way they look. As a committed nationalist I would have expected of you to know and accept this.

[Vigil]

Fact is Vigil, that these mixed kids didn't choose to be mixed. What are you asking of us? To exterminate or ostracize them?

 

NO and I am never going back to this issue, but to place them on equal footing as a Armenian that is not mixed, is also wrong. That is all I am going to say about this issue because anything else leads to the same old debate and I getting sick and tired of it. Everyone knows where I stand and if they don't just do a search.

 

I never placed anyone anywhere. I merely observed that some of the children who were growing up among Armenians in New Julfa and who had Armenian parents, didn't "look" particularly Armenian.

 

I do admit that Armenians in general have individuals that may not look like the majority of Armenians you typically see, but in general 95% of Armenians are "white" and look "white".

 

Furthermore, 95% of Armenians are “white” and at this point to argue that a Armenian born into a family consisting of Armenian parents is not Armenian because his or her complexion is not as "white" is ridiculous, however, to state that "racial diversity" is "ok" because Armenians in the past have "intermingled" with other races is not smart either because the amount of interaction is very minimal, which is why you still have a lot of Armenians with blue eyes.

 

Now am I stating that being "white" is biologically superior? No, however, if in a thousand Armenians look black then by no means do they have a right to claim they originated from the Armenian Highlands due to the fact that historically only a Indo-European race lived in that region.

 

This is just pure logic I am using because we both know that to claim you originated from Armenia, while at the same your entire population looks African means that you original may have come from Armenia because you may have retained some of the culture, but in no way can you claim the Armenian highland as your own.

 

This goes back to my original comment, related to why Turks should not be considered "white" due to the fact that eventually they can state that "since we are white, we are the descendents of the original population of these lands", while the same can be said of Armenians by Turks, which is that "since Armenians are not white they do not have claim to the land".

 

Now if you think I am crazy then next time you meet a Turk ask him how he is "white" and I guarantee you he will say because he is descendent of some Turkified [insert indigenous Indo-European Population], Armenian, or Greek.

 

This is why I find it very foolish for someone of Jewish descent to state they are a "Semitic" people when in fact most Ashkenazi Jews have blonde hair and blue eyes. Furthermore, to claim that a population that in general looks "white" has a right to a geographic region, which only a "Semite" has claim to, in my opinion is a double standard implemented to retain the right of land with the social benefits of eventually becoming "white".

 

Assuming then that they are "Semitic" wouldn't that mean then that by "race" they are "Semitic" because in general when someone refers to themselves as a "Semite" they mean it in terms of race as well? Yes, it would, which means then that to state that they are of "Semitic" origin is wrong, which means that stating they are "Israeli" is also wrong because historically a "Israeli" is a "Semite". I still do not understand how a blonde hair blue eye European looking Jew is a "Semite".

 

This is why I find it very important for Armenians not to get too engrossed with "black" culture or to adopt it as their own because historically Armenians have had no ties with Africa, so, for you to automatically make being "black" the in thing to be is in my opinion very detrimental to the next generation.

 

You’re basically saying that because a few Armenians do not look "Armenian" then racial diversity is a priority, when in fact countries like Turkey and Israel are trying to racially homogenize their population by implementing strict immigration laws and by forcibly mixing with Europeans. Every Turk that I have met so far in the United States has a "white" wife, which either is a coincident or is indeed a signal.

 

I just find that hard to swallow because the rest of the civilized world is "white" not to mention that historically Armenians are "white". In fact if it was not for Jewish and Turkish manipulation of history Armenians would be considered the oldest Indo-European race (Hittite) meaning that we are indeed the first "white" race.

 

This has no implications for a political correct person like yourself because to you race has no meaning, but for me it places me, as a Armenian, almost 3000 years before the birth of Christ, which would make the Jewish ideology that they are indeed "God's chosen people" and the oldest ethnicity in the world a bunch of hogwash.

 

Furthermore, it would mean that Armenians had an empire that can only be compared to Egypt in size and wealth, which I am sure to someone like yourself that mixes up cultural pride with racism, has no implications or significance in the long run. However, I am sure that if tomorrow Armenians were labeled as "Semites" or something other then "white" or "European" the first individuals that would complain are Armenians like you because eventually you would understand that being labeled "White" or "European" is indeed important to social progression and interaction in contemporary society especially when being Muslim is already considered backwards by “westerners”.

 

Most importantly, the world is run by a "white" civilization in order for a individual to function at maximum performance they must also be "white", now, you can tell me well "you are wrong because in America everyone is a American" in which I will tell you that if this indeed is the case why is it that even though almost 40% of the population is colored we still do not have a black president? If indeed we are "egalitarian" society why is the majority of upper income bracket in America "white"?

 

The answer to this question is obvious, which is that you are living in a "white" civilization, which was created, founded, and meant for people of "white" skin. The "white" population will always be ahead of the "colored" because of the fact that they were the founders of "western" civilization (example Rome, America, and etc.). Now, you can state that well in "contemporary history we are equal" in which I reply that if indeed we are equal why the act of discrimination is still investigated or looked into? If we are equal then programs that favor minorities should indeed be history, right? Right, which means that we indeed are not living in a equalitarian society, which makes any attempt to keep Armenians “white” a good investment.

 

Now, what bothers is the way you patronize "black" culture like its the next best thing when we in fact function in a "western" and "white" civilization, when in fact adopting black culture is no different then adopting Persian, Turkish, or Western Culture, so, do not think that I am patronizing “westerners”, however, I am just pointing out that being white is far more beneficial socially then it is being black.

 

Biologically there is nothing different about a White and Black man and as Domino pointed out in another thread skin color is indeed like eye color, however, socially being "white" is more welcome then being "black".

 

This leads me to my next point. If indeed being "white" is not a desired in our society then why is it that in the Black-White intermarriage rate in the United States you have 73.8% of black males marrying white women, while only 26.2 percent of black females marrying white men? If indeed being labeled or accepted as "white" was not indeed a definitive edge then why is it that in general Black males have a higher rate of marrying a white women then Black females marrying White men? If indeed black is beautiful why is it that you have "black" males that marry "white" women not because they have anything in common with them due to the fact that in general you always hold a stronger bound with someone of the same race, ethnicity, and religion, but because they indeed understand that "white" is more socially prudent.

 

Now you can call me a racist, bigot, and [insert comment here], but I am just painting the picture as I see, which is that in part "westernizing" means that you also become must become "white".

 

In fact this trend is also common in the Asian community. Out of 655 individuals surveyed 452 Asian women are married to White Men, while at the same time only 203 Asian men are married to White Women.

 

Just in Korea they have surgery that makes their eyes more “western” looking. The surgery is conducted by the majority of Korean woman not because having “western” eyes is biologically worse then having “Asian” eyes, but because socially that is what is desired because we live in a “western” world.

 

Maybe one of their grandparents had mixed. We're ALL mixed somewhere. It's not the blood that counts or the look, but the fact that there are still people out there who call themselves Armenian, regardless of the way they look.

 

No we are not all "mixed" somewhere and if that would convince you to go out and marry a black man then by all means you have my blessing, but do not try and convince me that being "black" is the same as being "white" because I can honestly tell you that socially, historically, and psychologically, it is not the same experience.

 

For instance I was watching this documentary on African-Americans that related the downward degeneration of the African-American youth is partially to the psychological effects of slavery.

 

Now, when I watched the video I honestly thought that this has got to be the most dumbest reason as to why the African-American youth is degenerating, but began to realize that indeed part of the reason I am where I am today is because historically Armenians have never been subjugated to the faith of slavery, which in time has destroyed any cultural connection a African may have had with his or her respective origins.

 

Listen, I do not want to get into the whole "mixed" topic because then it goes back to the same point, but your justification as to why it is "ok" is very misleading and that is all I will say.

 

As a committed nationalist I would have expected of you to know and understand this.

 

As a "committed nationalist" what I find funny is how instead of fixing any social stigmas Armenians have in general we have individuals like you that propose racial diversity is what Armenians are lacking when in fact racial hegemony is what is always needed to create a functioning society.

 

I find it very upsetting that Armenians find it more convenient to force the entire community to adopt a bogus and wrong ideology that "Armenians are racial mixed" when in fact most Armenians are as "white" as they can be.

 

Even Israel, which is a Jewish state, implements strict immigration laws that only allow individuals of Jewish ancestry to immigrate there. Are they doing it because they are racist? No, but because they want to create a racially hegemonic society.

 

Do not get me wrong in no way am I stating that just because Armenians are "white" they should all of sudden go marry anyone that is "white", but rather am stating because we are "white" we should stay "white" by marrying Armenians, but since more than half of the Armenian population is part of the Diaspora eventually Armenians will indeed look anything but Armenian.

 

However, since you feel more comfortable integrating yourself in "black" culture then by all means go marry someone that is "black" and see how different your child's life will be living as a black man or woman.

 

Furthermore, I find it tragic that a black man can come on these boards trying to convince Armenians that they will eventually intermingle with blacks, so, they might as well submit to it as soon as they can when we sure as hell that if Armenians were to submit to Turks due to the fact that they will "eventual intermingle" then we as Armenians would not exist today.

 

I have had it with this, which is why this will be my last response. If Armenians want to go be the next lost tribe of Israel then by all means they have my blessing.

Edited July 15, 2004 by Vigil

[nairi]

You know what Vigil, and I'm sure this has been said before: it is mostly because of purists like you that most of us are assimilating. The intolerance level among your kind is so high it even chokes those who love living by its rules. Who's talking about a lost tribe?? These kids identify themselves as Armenian! I have a niece whose great-grandmother is half Latvian and half German, a grandfather who is that and half-Armenian, and a mother who is that and half Armenian, and a "pure" Armenian father whose exact roots we are unable to determine but rest assured that there is probably some Kurdish, Turkish and Persian mix somewhere, be it forced or voluntary. I would guess that my niece is acceptable in part because it is German and Latvian blood she has as opposed to filthy black blood...

 

You’re basically saying that because a few Armenians do not look "Armenian" then racial diversity is a priority, when in fact countries like Turkey and Israel are trying to racially homogenize their population by implementing strict immigration laws and by forcibly mixing with Europeans. Every Turk that I have met so far in the United States has a "white" wife, which either is a coincident or is indeed a signal.

 

I didn't say it was a priority. I implied that it is inevitable, so instead of expecting purism, accept this diversity or we will lose even more of Armenians. Let other countries do whatever the hell they want. If we can be more tolerant and accepting of the diversity we have, which has been there since the beginning of time, we may find ourselves with a much bigger nation than we have now. It's not just about assimilating OUT of Armenians; it's also about assimilating INTO Armenians, like my niece or the guy in my dad's album.

[sev-mard]

Not that it mattes, because discourse is taking place. But this thread has wandered into familiar territory, with little surprise I guess, but it kind of not the point of my original question. The question is not about intermarriage, or Armenians being "black" which is absurd. It was about opinions and interaction of blacks and spuirkahyes. Thanks for those that had comments relating to that topic, and if others had some more interesting tidbits, be they positive or negative, feel free to share. But the whole other treatise above has been heard before. We all understand the points being made I'm sure.

 

Peace

[Vigil]

Part 1

 

You know what Vigil, and I'm sure this has been said before: it is mostly because of purists like you that most of us are assimilating. The intolerance level among your kind is so high it even chokes those who love living by its rules. Who's talking about a lost tribe?? These kids identify themselves as Armenian! I have a niece whose great-grandmother is half Latvian and half German, a grandfather who is that and half-Armenian, and a mother who is that and half Armenian, and a "pure" Armenian father whose exact roots we are unable to determine but rest assured that there is probably some Kurdish, Turkish and Persian mix somewhere, be it forced or voluntary. I would guess that my niece is acceptable in part because it is German and Latvian blood she has as opposed to filthy black blood...

 

Why are you putting words in my mouth? When did I ever state "black blood is filthy"? Please do not label me a "racist".

 

I am just stating that, socially, it is much better being "white" then it is "black", now, you can sit here and call me a "purist", but we all know this is true.

 

Furthermore, who indeed is being a "purist", someone like me, that only stresses the need to maintain our "Armenianism" and "whiteness" through marrying in the culture, or you, who wants to "convert" someone of another ethnicity and race into "Armenianism"? By all means explain to me how forcing the Armenian ideals on another ethnic or racial group is not racist or "purist" in theory? How is this no different then the other racist logic that Jews use to convert someone of another race, ethnicity, and nationality? Jews justify it by stating that "Jews are God's chosen people", which leads me to ask how you are going to justify it? How are you going to convince someone to convert to "Armenianism"?

 

For instance, Sev-Mard, is justifying the ultimate assimilation of Armenians by black culture due to the fact that Armenians in the United States live in communities that have a high saturation of blacks in and around them. Now, how are you going to convince another person as to why it is better to be Armenian and how will this benefit the child? I mean if indeed there is no differences then explain to me why is it better for a child to be Armenian as opposed to what the other side of family has to offer?

 

Listen, the bottom line is that we are "White" and "Armenian", which is why in no sense have we ever been "black", now, you can sit here and try to convince me that I am "racist", but if you really think about it what you are suggesting is far more "racist" then what I am.

 

I didn't say it was a priority. I implied that it is inevitable, so instead of expecting purism, accept this diversity or we will lose even more of Armenians. Let other countries do whatever the hell they want. If we can be more tolerant and accepting of the diversity we have, which has been there since the beginning of time, we may find ourselves with a much bigger nation than we have now. It's not just about assimilating OUT of Armenians; it's also about assimilating INTO Armenians, like my niece or the guy in my dad's album.

 

IN the process of being "tolerant" we are also being racist and if you do not see this then you’re blind. How can you actually convince me that by imposing you’re "Armenianism" onto your children, who may have a father that is not of Armenian ancestry, you are not being racist? Correct me if I am wrong, but by sending your child to Armenian school are you not implying that it is better for the child to be Armenian? We both know that a half Armenian child will only adopt one identity, so, would not the act of imposing your Armenian ideals onto the child be racist because you feel that it is better of the two to preserve? Yes, it would be intolerant so do not sit on your high horse and point the racist finger at me because what you are proposing is far worse.

 

Furthermore, if indeed it is inevitable then the survival of the Armenian Diaspora must be some kind of fluke, right? Wrong, however, what I think will ultimately destroy the Diaspora is not someone like me, but someone like you, who tries to find logical reasons and excuses as to why diversity is "ok" when it is blatantly oblivious that diversity just marginalizes and degenerates the Armenian ideology.

 

Part 2

 

In general Sev-Mard society has a problem with "blacks" not because they are biologically different, but because to function in a society that was meant for "whites" you must ultimately be "white". What I mean by that is that in order to succeed in “western” countries and to ultimately become a “western” country you must either assimilate your culture to fit the mold of a “western” country or must “westernize” your outer appearance including your race.

 

Another factor that you must consider is how black people portray themselves through their own culture. What I mean is that if indeed "hip-hop" is part of black culture then rappers that degrade black men and women also represent the black community, which is why the first thing African-Americans need to do is to stop supporting rappers or aspects of their culture that my portray African-Americans negatively. For instance rappers in general portray African-American woman as "whorish", which in my opinion is not true because this aspect of society is prevalent among any ethnic or racial group, but unfortunately endorsing "whorish" behavior in no way reflects African-Americans "positively" towards ethnic groups that in general have conservative views on male and female relationships.

 

An example was the recent move Soul Plane, which was somewhat funny, but I found the humor highly distasteful and if I was black I would have protested the release of it. Now you wonder why this is important. Well in general the next generation of any ethnic group behaves the way they feel they should behave. The movie portrayed African-Americans as oversexed, which ultimately makes being "oversexed" cool, which is not harmful, but equally is not much beneficial to the social progression of African-Americans. Also, this in no way reflects upon the black culture in a positive manner when in fact most "ethnic" groups, like the Armenians, have conservative views on male and female relations.

 

Furthermore, a Jew will never call another Jew a "Kike", not because a "Kike" is a derogatory word because to be honest calling a Jew a "Kike" has virtually no meaning in terms of the actually word, however, the act of calling a Jew a "Kike" is wrong because the word "Kike" eventually becomes a derogatory word given time.

 

Now, why do I bring this up? Well, the first thing the African-American community should do is stop calling one another "nigga" because by calling one another "nigga" you can not gain the respect of the rest of the world. The entire logic that because you are black you have a right to call another black person "nigga" just degrades African-Americans. Would it be any worse if someone other then a black person was to call a black person "nigga"? No, so, why then does it make it "ok" for a black person to call another black person "nigga"? It does not make it "ok", which is why African-Americans need to make sure the next generation does not adopt the same habit, but seeing how African-Americans endorse rappers that indeed endorse this logic, I find this hard to accomplish.

 

The reason I bring this up is because virtually everyone I communicate with tells me the same things in terms of why they disassociate themselves, socially, with African-Americans. Now with the exception of the Armenians that try to be "black" themselves in general you can not expect people of another ethnic or racial group to respect you when in fact your own culture does not respect it self. Recently, however, the same can be said of Armenians when they call themselves "Armos", but this is another topic.

 

Anyways, Sev-Mard, I have nothing against you personally, rather, I find it hard at times to be a socialite, when in fact being a "socialite" does not always guarantee that what you have to say is actually "correct", but rather what you say is only done so because you want to be socially accepted and at this point in society it is far more socially prudent towards individuals like Nairi.

Edited July 15, 2004 by Vigil

[sev-mard]

For instance, Sev-Mard, is justifying the ultimate assimilation of Armenians by black culture due to the fact that Armenians in the United States live in communities that have a high saturation of blacks in and around them.

Actually you have misunderstood my first post. I am not and nor would I ever say that Armenians or anybody else NEEDS to intermix with Blacks or anyone else for that matter. My original statement was a segueway saying that I know many of the Hyes who live in California live and interact with black folks and there are many Hyes here and abroad who don't like that. So that is one avenue, my question was about how the Spuirkahyes feel about blacks, either through personal interaction abroard or media trasmission of images and like. Just want you to know that your reading of my inital statements was askew.

Edited July 15, 2004 by sev-mard

[sev-mard]

Part 2

 

In general Sev-Mard society has a problem with "blacks" not because they are biologically different, but because to function in a society that was meant for "whites" you must ultimately be "white". What I mean by that is that in order to succeed in “western” countries and to ultimately become a “western” country you must either assimilate your culture to fit the mold of a “western” country or must “westernize” your outer appearance including your race.

 

Another factor that you must consider is how black people portray themselves through their own culture. What I mean is that if indeed "hip-hop" is part of black culture then rappers that degrade black men and women also represent the black community, which is why the first thing African-Americans need to do is to stop supporting rappers or aspects of their culture that my portray African-Americans negatively. For instance rappers in general portray African-American woman as "whorish", which in my opinion is not true because this aspect of society is prevalent among any ethnic or racial group, but unfortunately endorsing "whorish" behavior in no way reflects African-Americans "positively" towards ethnic groups that in general have conservative views on male and female relationships.

 

An example was the recent move Soul Plane, which was somewhat funny, but I found the humor highly distasteful and if I was black I would have protested the release of it. Now you wonder why this is important. Well in general the next generation of any ethnic group behaves the way they feel they should behave. The movie portrayed African-Americans as oversexed, which ultimately makes being "oversexed" cool, which is not harmful, but equally is not much beneficial to the social progression of African-Americans. Also, this in no way reflects upon the black culture in a positive manner when in fact most "ethnic" groups, like the Armenians, have conservative views on male and female relations.

 

Furthermore, a Jew will never call another Jew a "Kike", not because a "Kike" is a derogatory word because to be honest calling a Jew a "Kike" has virtually no meaning in terms of the actually word, however, the act of calling a Jew a "Kike" is wrong because the word "Kike" eventually becomes a derogatory word given time.

 

Now, why do I bring this up? Well, the first thing the African-American community should do is stop calling one another "nigga" because by calling one another "nigga" you can not gain the respect of the rest of the world. The entire logic that because you are black you have a right to call another black person "nigga" just degrades African-Americans. Would it be any worse if someone other then a black person was to call a black person "nigga"? No, so, why then does it make it "ok" for a black person to call another black person "nigga"? It does not make it "ok", which is why African-Americans need to make sure the next generation does not adopt the same habit, but seeing how African-Americans endorse rappers that indeed endorse this logic, I find this hard to accomplish.

 

The reason I bring this up is because virtually everyone I communicate with tells me the same things in terms of why they disassociate themselves, socially, with African-Americans. Now with the exception of the Armenians that try to be "black" themselves in general you can not expect people of another ethnic or racial group to respect you when in fact your own culture does not respect it self. Recently, however, the same can be said of Armenians when they call themselves "Armos", but this is another topic.

 

Anyways, Sev-Mard, I have nothing against you personally, rather, I find it hard at times to be a socialite, when in fact being a "socialite" does not always guarantee that what you have to say is actually "correct", but rather what you say is only done so because you want to be socially accepted and at this point in society it is far more socially prudent towards individuals like Nairi.

These are all points close to me that I know well, nothing new here per se. I understand how the world turns and who runs it. I do what I can to advance myself, my family, and those I love, and lead by example to my detached brothers and sisters. Whatever that means to you all, that means more than enough to me.

 

Of course your points abot hiphop are true, what else can be said. Does it portray the majority of the Blackman's thinking? Probably not, but it's the most popular and visible imagery and that has tremendous negative impact. Believe me this pains me to no end as I am judged in the street and over the Net to be " like them" when in fact I'm not. I'm more than at peace with this, because such is the state of black ppl. vs. the public at this point in time. I just hope and pray a change will come and I do what I personally can.

 

Soul Plan man? C'mon, not even i subjegated myself to that drivle.

 

As for the use of "nigga" as you said that's a whole other story. I don't support that by the way and understand all of the bad imagery it purports for my people. Believe me guy, when I see Hyes "acting black" or imitating idiots as i usually say, that doesn't make me happy, I think it's silly. Sure I'm a young black man, so I have much of same interests and maybe appearance of many young black men. But being ignorant for the sake of it, and then having other cultures and ppl copying that, and then being blamed 10 fold for those idiots copying idiots is no conquest in my eyes. It's a defeat, period.

[DominO123]

Armenians being "black" which is absurd.

I don't find that absurd at all... I know a half Black Armenian kid that speak fluently Armenian and consider himself Armenian... that guy is Armenian.

[sev-mard]

I don't find that absurd at all... I know a half Black Armenian kid that speak fluently Armenian and consider himself Armenian... that guy is Armenian.

I harge Domino, your example is a bit different that what i was referring to. Someone earlier had discussed tracing some Armenians as descendants of Africans or something like that. Maybe I misread. But Armenians are about as Caucasian as you can get, being from the Caucus region and all.

More than anything I was stating that you all are not black and yes hye chem. But in the end however you feel about it, that's not my point or focus. I'm with my girl and I'm trying to learn what I can about her and her people will proactively doing the same about mine to/with her.

 

Peace

[DominO123]

I harge Domino, your example is a bit different that what i was referring to. Someone earlier had discussed tracing some Armenians as descendants of Africans or something like that. Maybe I misread. But Armenians are about as Caucasian as you can get, being from the Caucus region and all.

More than anything I was stating that you all are not black and yes hye chem. But in the end however you feel about it, that's not my point or focus. I'm with my girl and I'm trying to learn what I can about her and her people will proactively doing the same about mine to/with her.

 

Peace

Armenianism could have established in black Africa... languages and cultures spread from places to places, this is what makes someone an "xian" etc... the Turks are an example here.

 

If the Armenian culture was to be transmitted in Black Africa, it could have been possible that Armenians there could have emerged independently from the skin color.

 

Some mix language/culture with genetic, it is not the same thing, genetic differences have to do with adaptation.

[sev-mard]

I *theoretically* understand what you're saying. That has/does happen in some respects. Ethiopian enclaves of Armenians is an example, bayts they emmigrated there from Hayastan right?

[DominO123]

I *theoretically* understand what you're saying. That has/does happen in some respects. Ethiopian enclaves of Armenians is an example, bayts they emmigrated there from Hayastan right?

Yes! migrated probably, it takes a way for the culture to propagate, so one of the way is for Armenians to have migrated there, other ways would be the transmission of a culture from people to people like a dominio.

[sev-mard]

That would be "mixing" and "blending" of cultures and ideals over time. But at one time do you claim that those people are one or the other? Or do they become something entirely different? And to add a wild twist, Ill be the Vigil's Advocate and ask you how in the hell does that help either side ethnically? Would they be Hye or Sev? Can't be both right?

[DominO123]

That would be "mixing" and "blending" of cultures and ideals over time. But at one time do you claim that those people are one or the other? Or do they become something entirely different? And to add a wild twist, Ill be the Vigil's Advocate and ask you how in the hell does that help either side ethnically? Would they be Hye or Sev? Can't be both right?

They can be the two in the same time, one doesn't exclude the other... you can install in the same computer, Windows XP and a Linux... two OSes, even three or more... of course it takes more ressources but it is still possible. Being one doesn't exclude the other.

[sev-mard]

What about if that PC with the various OSs is put in a network with homogenous PCs. Will it's various operating systems be a boon then? Or a curse?

[nairi]

Vigil, who said anything about converting or forcing? I said accepting those who want to be accepted as opposed to ostracizing them because their parents, not they, mixed. Maybe it's true that whites are more accepted in this lifetime than non-whites. Too bad. You ain't white and most of your nation isn't either. Get used to it. I and many others before me said what we wanted to say regarding this. It's up to you to understand it (not necessarily agree with it) if you want. End of discussion.

 

Sev mard, I think this convo is a perfect example of how different diasporans feel about blacks.

[DominO123]

What about if that PC with the various OSs is put in a network with homogenous PCs. Will it's various operating systems be a boon then? Or a curse?

hehe... could be.

[sev-mard]

Vigil, who said anything about converting or forcing? I said accepting those who want to be accepted as opposed to ostracizing them because their parents, not they, mixed. Maybe it's true that whites are more accepted in this lifetime than non-whites. Too bad. You ain't white and most of your nation isn't either. Get used to it. I and many others before me said what we wanted to say regarding this. It's up to you to understand it (not necessarily agree with it) if you want. End of discussion.

 

Sev mard, I think this convo is a perfect example of how different diasporans feel about blacks.

I guess you're right Nairi. That's all I was shooting for with this question anyway. It's a typical feeling felt by most of the world. Partially due to the "faults" of my people and the hatred/intolerance of others. In my 26 years I've seen and experienced more than enough, nothing much surpises/hurts/moves me at this point in time.

[DominO123]

Sev-Mart, you do remember what you have seen and experienced when you were 0-3 years old? Those Blacks are weird. Edited July 15, 2004 by Fadix

[sev-mard]

An example was the recent move Soul Plane, which was somewhat funny, but I found the humor highly distasteful and if I was black I would have protested the release of it. Now you wonder why this is important. Well in general the next generation of any ethnic group behaves the way they feel they should behave. The movie portrayed African-Americans as oversexed, which ultimately makes being "oversexed" cool, which is not harmful, but equally is not much beneficial to the social progression of African-Americans. Also, this in no way reflects upon the black culture in a positive manner when in fact most "ethnic" groups, like the Armenians, have conservative views on male and female relations.

SIDE NOTE:

 

I'd also like to say that will I happen to agree that movies like Soul Plan and the like don't help the situation. The public image of Blacks is also affected by the fact that most to all are negative and/or comedic/entertaining in nature. Besides that the old school white male form of thought that places anything one black person does on the entire race still prevails. I mean so what you have a movie like Soul Plane, the characters on Friends, Seinfeld and Sex in the City were all oversexed and silly on top of that. Was that the end of white civilization? I don't be fooled for a second that much of what is "allowed" or given major backing by studios is minstrel in nature. We produce many bad images ourselves, but those in power don't really want to see much else, for obvious reasons.

 

And so say that most ethinic groups have conservative views on sex is nothing major, seeing as most of those same ethnic groups are having a lot of sex like everyone else. Take that how you want to take it.

 

Ethnic peoples are always clamoring for more public imagery and represenation. But many times it's not it's all cracked up to be.

[sev-mard]

Sev-Mart, you do remember what you have seen and experienced when you were 0-3 years old? Those Blacks are weird.

My earliest memory is actually from about age 3...

Clearly as well.

[DominO123]

How dare your memories goes as far as mine... that's Black conspiration.