KavorKin99 Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Hey you guys i heard an armenian guy from pasadena might have started one of the fires is that true? <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Hey you guys i heard an armenian guy from pasadena might have started one of the fires is that true? <_< Don't know, but it appears that Quebec firefighter planes will go and help them there again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 http://armenians.com/forum/index.php?act=S...1080#entry62100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KavorKin99 Posted October 31, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 azat i clicked on the link but i didn't get it plz clear it up for me thankkk uuuu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 see if this one workshttp://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-oc...-home-headlines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KavorKin99 Posted October 31, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 thanks bebe...do you think he really did it azat? and if yes how do u feel ? thanks much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 23-Year-Old Glendale Man Held on Suspicion of Arson    From a Times Staff Writer  A 23-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of arson Tuesday after he set a small fire in brush-covered Eaton Canyon in the Angeles National Forest above Altadena, Los Angeles sheriff's deputies said. It was not immediately clear whether Dikran Armouchian of Glendale was thought to be connected to any of the devastating fires in Southern California. Deputy Ron Bottomley said hikers saw Armouchian set the fire about a half mile north of the Eaton Canyon Bridge about 10 a.m. "The hikers called the Sheriff's Department, and he was still standing there by the fire when deputies got there," Bottomley said. Bottomley said the deputies snuffed out the blaze and placed Armouchian under arrest. He was booked at the Crescenta Valley sheriff's station, where he was being held on $50,000 bail. Deputies said Armouchian had been reported missing by his family in Glendale, but Glendale police said they had no record of the report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KavorKin99 Posted October 31, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 thanks mos jan u a sweety muahz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Was just talking to a Pasadena PD officer and asked him about our Digran who has set a Fire in Eaton Canyon and was apparently worshiping the god of fire or was acting like one and it had some sort of sexual act to it  This kid is nuts / he need to get hold of Mark Giragos soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Was just talking to a Pasadena PD officer and asked him about our Digran who has set a Fire in Eaton Canyon and was apparently worshiping the god of fire or was acting like one and it had some sort of sexual act to it  This kid is nuts / he need to get hold of Mark Giragos soon LOL - well not LOL...not at all about these fires and about an Armenian kid being involved in it...(and BTW thanks for the report Mosjan) But it reminded me of a guy I knew (not at all well...more of a friend of a friend)...who was a pretty well know/crazy anarchist/pagan etc type in Baltimore area back in the early/mid 1980s. He pulled a similar stunt once - had this fire going in an old train tunnel and had a dead deer or something with its head cut off - and when the police showed up he was dancing around naked whooping it up etc...yeah crazy guy (wish I remember his name - that he went by...it was a good one)...anyway - I still have video from the local newscasts about the incident...(so thats the LOL part of this...)...have some other vid of his & his (& some of my) buds various exploits that are also pretty wild - like enterring some (very Bizarre) floats & a hilarious marching band (some with baby dolls tied under their feet...you had to see it..) in the Baltimore Thanksgiving parade - andm they're being repeatedly kicked off the route...only to return etc (all on vid - most entertaining)...and another vid (a sort of surrelistic film that they did) of him & his buds breaking into 3 mile Island - during the crisis - when everyone was evacuated. They actually cut through the fence and dragged a boat down to the shore and rowed over...wore all these wild space/rad type suits and I think they threw fake blood on one of the cooling towers or such...etc ...yeah you young folks now only think that you are wild...LOL But on the serious note - yeah - this Armenian kid...all bad.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KavorKin99 Posted October 31, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 thats bizarre lol any how c ya guys later muahz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 http://my.webmd.com/content/article/76/90030.htm Inside an Arsonist's Mind Anger the Likely Motivation Behind California Fires By Sid KirchheimerWebMD Medical News Reviewed By Michael Smith, MDon Wednesday, October 29, 2003   > Email to a friend > Printer-friendly version  Oct. 29, 2003 -- As California continues to burn, authorities reportedly believe that arsonists started most of the 10 fires that already have claimed at least 16 lives and an area the size of Rhode Island.   The question is why.   "The truth is, very little is known about arsonists because so few arsons are solved," says psychologist Joel Dvoskin, PhD, ABPP, of the University of Arizona Medical School and a member of the American Board of Forensic Psychology who has done work on the psychological motivations behind arson.   Still, he tells WebMD that studies indicate that the most common reason for arson is profit. "Buildings are often set on fire for insurance purposes," he tells WebMD. "But certainly, that doesn't fit the pattern of what's happening in California."   For those fires, based on what's known, anger is a more likely explanation for what has resulted in one of the most widespread and expensive disasters ever to occur in that state -- engulfing some 600,000 acres and 2,000 homes.  Brains and Arson   According to a 1987 report in the FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin, the vast majority of "profiled" arsonists have a below-normal IQ -- typically between 70 and 90. About one in four fall in the below-70 IQ range that qualifies them as mentally retarded -- not to say that all mentally retarded children are going to grow up to be arsonists.   "In these types of cases, arson is often committed by someone who is retarded but also angry. It's that combination that is a catalyst -- their anger but having fewer means to express it," says Dvoskin. "Honestly, I can't think of a single arsonist I've dealt with for whom anger wasn't the primary motivator."   In the FBI report, as well as statistics by the U.S. Fire Administration, part of the Department of Homeland Security, half of all arsons are committed by those younger than age 18; the other half is typically in their late 20s. In arson cases involving older people, the motivation is usually for profit. About 90% of all arsonists are male and they are usually white, states the FBI report.   On Tuesday, California authorities released a composite sketch of a white man believed to be in his late 20s, who was seen by eyewitnesses starting one of the fires.   Yet Dvoskin is leery of "profiling" arsonists because those profiles are usually based on arsonists who have been apprehended by authorities -- and most aren't. "It could be that the smarter people get away with it, and less smart people are more likely to get caught," he tells WebMD.   Another expert who counsels young arsonists says that while many fire-setters indeed have below-normal intelligence, many of his patients are just the opposite.   "About a fifth of our population is extremely bright, and many of these kids are reading at a college level," says Alan Feldberg, PhD, a psychologist at Cornell Abraxas Group, a center in Pennsylvania that treats "fire-setting youths." "Some are extremely computer-savvy and learn in a scientific way how to set fires to get maximum impact."  But anger remains the primary motivation of his patients -- teens between 12 and 19 with a history of starting fires.   "If you ask our kids why they set fires, the first answer you get is, 'Because I have an anger problem,'" Feldberg tells WebMD. "Based on data we've collected on our teenagers, these kids are often neglected and have a history of physical abuse and humiliation." These characteristics are consistent with the FBI profile of the typical arsonist.   Revenge, Excitement, Arousal   Still, there are other motivations: "Revenge, excitement, and thrills are also big factors, and rarely, but certainly, there are people who are sexually aroused by fire," he says. In some cases, fire investigators have found evidence of sexual gratification at arson sites.   While many children are fascinated by fire and may even engage in "fire play" as children, this usually disappears by puberty, says Feldberg.   But in teens who remain fire-setters, this doesn't disappear. Untreated, these young arsonists may continue to be arsonists as they age.   "Most of us believe it's a lot like sexual offending: If you can catch it early enough, it is a treatable disorder," says Feldberg. "We know kids who start fires are more likely to start more fires, and particular kids will ratchet it up to become bigger, more sensationalistic, and more dangerous. Fire can make a tremendous impact."   Arsonist Red Flags   He offers some red flags that could identify a possible arsonist-in-the-works:   Children who start playing with matches or fire as early as age 3 Children who frequently engage in "daredevil" behavior, especially near fire Children who mix chemicals or engage in "secret" fire settings in which they try different mixtures Those who are noticeably excited while watching fires  Will authorities catch the suspected arsonists behind the California blazes? "I certainly hope so, because these crimes are rarely solved," says Dvoskin, who has consulted police on arson cases. "When they are, it's usually because the arsonist can't keep his mouth shut -- he brags about setting the fire."   In this case, that may not occur because Dvoskin suspects the devastation may be beyond the arsonist's goal.   "So if they solve this, either they're going to be lucky or it's solved through good old-fashioned police work -- some hard-working, diligent detective who follows up on hundreds or even thousands of leads and tracks down that one to solve the crime."    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------  SOURCES: Joel Dvoskin, PhD, ABPP, assistant professor psychiatry, the University of Arizona Medical School, Tucson; member, the American Board of Forensic Psychology. Alan Feldberg, PhD, psychologist, the Cornell Abraxas Group, Gettysburg, Pa. Icove, D. FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin, 1987, vol 56, pp 17-23. U.S. Fire Administration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Californians return... http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C...LTAM&SECTION=US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 "In these types of cases, arson is often committed by someone who is retarded but also angry. It's that combination that is a catalyst -- their anger but having fewer means to express it," says Dvoskin. "Honestly, I can't think of a single arsonist I've dealt with for whom anger wasn't the primary motivator." So the study finds that those causing these fires are most likely retarded and angry. hmmmm... very interesting ... I think I'll file this discovery in my folder under the section "duuuuuuh"  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KavorKin99 Posted November 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 interesting hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 he was on #4 nbc just now  i'll see if i cen get some text Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-=VAHE=- Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 I just saw him. Yup thats the reality of the American Jails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KavorKin99 Posted November 22, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 what a trip! <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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