Can We Help This Man?

[ARTO11]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asi...sia/2645617.stm

 

 

 

 

I recently met Mr. Martin and our meeting was heartbreaking yet inspirational to say the least. This man is in dire need of money and/or supplies for the upkeep of the church. Mr. Martin has dedicated his life to this church and has been through hell and back in doing so.

 

Now, collectively can we put all political bullshit aside and help this man in anyway? Anyone know of any organizations who are willing to help?

 

Any and all input is appreciated.

[Arpa]

Can we help this man DO WHAT?

Help him preserve another pile of stinking rock?

Help him divide the nation yet another way?

Which diocese does that church profess to be?

Of all the places, Dhaka? Bangladesh?

Of all the places, one of the most godforsaken hostile and rotten lands on this earth? Can we sink lower?

Has he not heard of Bangladesh sector in Yerevan?

What is he trying to do? What esthetic and historical value does that church have? OK, there were some Armenians in Bangladesh sometime ago. So what? There are Armenians in Zimbabwe too.

Is it not time to rid ourselves from that centrifugal mode and concentrate on the centripetal?

Is he trying to maintain tha "Little Armenia" in Bangladesh? How many little Armenias can we have? How about a "big Armenia" for a change?

Granted, there are "little China-s and Little Italy-s all over the world, but compare the sizes of those to "big China-s" and "big Italys-s". It is one thing to have a "little Armenia" in Glendale, but when Armenian Glendale becomes bigger than Yerevan???

STOP!!

Is that why we lost armenia (lower case A) in the first place.

In closing. The hell with all the churches! Let's find another way to promote the nation!

 

Close that church and move to Bangladesh, Yeravan!

[Twilight Bark]

The guy is not preserving a "Little Armenia", he is preserving a "monument" that says "we were here". He is not promoting, even indirectly, an exodus from Armenia. Can anyone seriously believe that people are leaving Armenia because some church in a faraway land has a caretaker? The two are unrelated. In fact, if every Armenian had the dogged determination of Mr. Martin to defend what belongs to their people, we would be in much better shape right now. We can be proud of Armenian traders, "explorers", and colonists. The remnants of a long-gone but noteworthy era deserve some attention and care. Certainly more so than the usual intellectual masturbation exercised in and out of this forum. More, not less, affection for all things Armenian (I don't mean "bimbo-mimbo-mall-brandname-BMW-Mercedes-Jaguar" culture) is needed. And less, yes less, rage is needed.

 

As a closing sidenote, "a modern-day fedayee" (the self-description of the originator of the topic) would theoretically reside in Armenia and confront the powerful the corrupt and the inept. Of course he would have a life expectancy measured in weeks if not days. Regardless, that is what such a label would require.

[ARTO11]

Can we help this man DO WHAT?

 

lol, idiot

 

 

Help him preserve another pile of stinking rock?

 

Ya thats it.

 

Help him divide the nation yet another way?

 

It is garbage like you that divides, what Mr. Martin is doing brings a nation together.

 

Which diocese does that church profess to be?

 

lol, retard

 

Of all the places, Dhaka? Bangladesh?

 

You need to be shot

 

 

Of all the places, one of the most godforsaken hostile and rotten lands on this earth? Can we sink lower?

 

What kind of retarded questions are these you are asking? You make no sense.

 

 

Has he not heard of Bangladesh sector in Yerevan?

 

You make no point here.

 

 

What is he trying to do? What esthetic and historical value does that church have? OK, there were some Armenians in Bangladesh sometime ago. So what? There are Armenians in Zimbabwe too.

 

Right there you have shown how you have no clue about Armenian history in the region and have displayed how ignorant you truly are. Your comparison is just as retarded as your previous staements.

 

 

Is it not time to rid ourselves from that centrifugal mode and concentrate on the centripetal?

 

 

 

The only thing we need to rid ourselves of is Armenian garbage like you, assuming you are not a hirya and playing hirya net games.

 

 

Is he trying to maintain tha "Little Armenia" in Bangladesh? How many little Armenias can we have? How about a "big Armenia" for a change?

 

What kind of question is this? What are you doing for our people? You just sit here, feed your face, and type, barup boots, if you have nothing useful to say than keep your filthy mouth shut.

 

Granted, there are "little China-s and Little Italy-s all over the world, but compare the sizes of those to "big China-s" and "big Italys-s". It is one thing to have a "little Armenia" in Glendale, but when Armenian Glendale becomes bigger than Yerevan???

STOP!!

 

 

Ok ya, you just went off here so I will leave you in your corner to keep uttering useless point. Just keep up the medication.

 

 

 

In closing. The hell with all the churches! Let's find another way to promote the nation!

 

 

Anyone else reading this garbage?

 

 

 

 

 

 

As a closing sidenote, "a modern-day fedayee" (the self-description of the originator of the topic) would theoretically reside in Armenia and confront the powerful the corrupt and the inept. Of course he would have a life expectancy measured in weeks if not days. Regardless, that is what such a label would require.

 

 

 

I can appreciate what you are saying but, theoretically, is just that, theory. I myself am a practical man and draw my conclusions based on a practical basis. This man to me, is a fedayee. Anything that has to do with the preservation and promotion of our people against the mighty powers that be is a fedayee to me.

 

And for the record, Mr. Martin has been in numerous fights with the muslim pigs who have played cricket and soccer on our holy cemetery. He has fought them all off, and was willing to fight them all to the death, that to me, is a modern day fedayee.

 

 

 

Now I will check back in a few days to see if anyone is interested in helping Mr. Martin. I would love to sit here and act tough on the net with the rest of the tits that think that they matter but I need to raise serious capital for Mr. Martin and the church.

[bellthecat]

It is the duty of the country in which an historic monument is in to ensure that it is preserved. This is not just a moral duty, for most countries it is a legal duty since they will be signatories to various UN and UNESCO treaties dealing with the proper preservation of cultural remains.

 

So, if the church is in real danger then the action to take is to lobby the Bangladeshi government and Dhaka city authorities to ensure its protection since (unlike countries such as Turkey) Bangladesh will not have reasons (discounting those from the usual Islamic nutters) for wanting this church to be destroyed and will not have pseudo-legal laws to encourage its destruction.

 

And, Arto, what's so wrong about playing cricket in a graveyard?

 

Steve

[Arpa]

GET A LIFE!!

 

When people erun out of argument they resort to name calling.

Marco Polo is supposed to have traveled all the way to Shanghai.

Do the Italians waste even a Lira to preserve the Ristorante Di Pasta Fasul (I just made it up) that he established there?

What do the Italians do with their Liras?

Look at the jewels that are Rome, Florence and other cities, and then look at Yerevan, falling apart at seams just as we speak.

So, some Armenian rug merchant traveled to Bangladesh, so what?

How is that benefitting Yerevan?

As to "hirya", that is exactly what a "hirya" would like you to do, dilute your attention to such rotten places as the Vank in Jerusalem so that Yerevan would be remanded to the dustbin of history. Keep it up!

Go ahead, waste you lumas at Dhaka, the armpit of the world.

Rmember to not call me. I donate (not)enough to help Yerevan survive. What do you do?

Is not the preservation of historical minumnets the duty of respective governments? What has the government of Bngladesh done in that repect?

Why is this Martin guy in London and not in Yerevan? Is London the Capital of Armenia?

Who assigned you the preserver of the world? How much more can we dilute our resources? Don't we have our hands full with the Yerevan Province?

[TimeForChange]

Though I don`t go to church regularly, I do not think that we should get rid of churches at all! Religion is what saved our people, for crying out loud!!! What makes the jews so strong? Religion! What makes Armenians strong? Religion! We have a religion that is unique. There are people in Arab countries that are not of Armenian descent at all, yet they are Armenian Apostolic! Take religion away, and you take away one of our greatest strengths!

 

That being said, is it worthwile to spend money to save a skeleton? It would be like a company investing in promoting a product that nobody wants to buy. Should the company invest in another product to secure its survival, or should it stick to the product nobody wants? In our case, we should invest in the presently active Diaspora communities and in Armenia, instead of investing in a church that really won`t serve any Armenian.

 

If you're going to give money to the Armenian cause, you might as well do it in an effective manner to ensure that the present active communities do not go trough the same pattern as the one of Bangladesh has. Don`t just throw your money away.

 

It is sad, but we have to accept that this church is not worth the investment. Sure, preserving ancient Armenian churches is something I believe in, but not if there are no Armenians left around it! Concentrate on the present and the future instead and invest to avoid this from happening again in another country.

 

The Bangladesh community is dead, long live other communities!

[MJ]

Religion is what saved our people, for crying out loud!!! ....Take religion away, and you take away one of our greatest strengths!

So why didn't it save the Armenians of Bangladesh?

[TimeForChange]

The poor economic state of Bangladesh probably killed it. Most of them probably left for California or some other western region, some might have left for Armenia, just like what happened to the Armenians of Bagdad, where the number of Armenians declined from around 100,000 to 10,000 in 15 years...

 

At least that`s what I speculate might have happened... ??

[Twilight Bark]

A new BMW, the latest fashion, the need to show off to their fellow show-offs usually outrank such trifle issues as preservation. There is more than enough money. There just isn't enough intellect. And there isn't enough affection. Money, intellect and heart seem to follow some sort of an "exclusion principle" when it comes to Armenians. Hard to find all three possessed by the same individual. While I don't think the preservation of that church is a priority, I don't see why we should be hostile to those who do want to preserve it. Let them do their thing. I can't see how it would harm the "Yerevan province" a bit.

 

Somehow, doing nothing at all does not attract hostility, but doing something that is not immediately utilitarian does. There is something wrong with that.

[ARTO11]

Click here for some pics of the church

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Without religion we would be just as good as the Turks

[AraManoogian]

As a closing sidenote, "a modern-day fedayee" (the self-description of the originator of the topic) would theoretically reside in Armenia and confront the powerful the corrupt and the inept.  Of course he would have a life expectancy measured in weeks if not days.  Regardless, that is what such a label would require.

I’m really not sure your definition of “modern day fedayee” is all that accurate.

 

I for one have been doing what you state, have been doing it successfully for 4 years and am still alive. I’ve never really been challenged by any of those powerful, corrupt or inept persons who have been adversely effected by what I do. I also don’t consider myself a fedayee of any kind as a fedayee is what they call a prisoner condemned to death, which if I was being attacked by those I pursue, then maybe I would see things different. In short your statement paints an inaccurate picture of the reality of what Armenia really is.

 

As for this poor man, the story paints a picture of him being on his own with no one backing him and further comments claim he is fighting people who attack the Armenian Church which he defends. If everything said is accurate, I would think he could be viewed as a fedayee.

 

Just my 2 Drams.