Persians Are Firmly Behind Armenians!

[Boghos]

In Iran I saw shops where you could rent a number of devices for self-flagellation in homage of Hussein. I think that these types of rituals are not familiar to Armenians, which of course doesn´t make it impossible for some to adopt. So, some do .

[the real pontian]

twilight,

 

your remarks are not to the point.

 

why should I sell sth which is already amply provided? I quoted Baliozian because I couldn't see the effect of what these words should engender in every one of us - and I think Baliozian tells us a universal truth.

 

Yes, this is an Armenian forum, but are only restricted opinions allowed? if this is the case I'll say farewell, and all of us we will be living in our own limited world. Is this worth obtaining?

 

There's another Baliozian truth for everyone whose ancestry lived in the Ottoman Empire:

 

"You may take an Armenian out of the Ottoman Empire but you cannot take the Ottoman Empire out of an Armenian [make it, Turkish gypsy]."

 

 

I am sorry, but I didn't say that Armenians christianized anybody. Re-read my post. And if you like to find Nazi-style arguments re-read the whole thread (I don't know if some remarks have been edited since my first post).

 

 

to THOTH,

 

i am a Sarahote from Uzungöl, Çaykara (Trabzon). A wonderful place to be. Perhaps you've been there.

[Twilight Bark]

your remarks are not to the point.

No, they are very much to the point. But apparently they are not pointed enough to pierce a thickness above a certain threshold.

 

why should I sell sth which is already amply provided? 

Precisely. Why? Why do you sell anti-chauvinism to Armenians, when Armenians are a group that suffered immensely at the hands of the most brutal application of chauvinism? Because a few Armenians vent their anger at their impotence in the face of a cruel and (perhaps understandably) uncaring world?

 

I quoted Baliozian because I couldn't see the effect of what these words should engender in every one of us - and I think Baliozian tells us a universal truth.

What he does is to tell the obvious to the oblivious.

 

Yes, this is an Armenian forum, but are only restricted opinions allowed? if this is the case I'll say farewell, and all of us  we will be living in our own limited world. Is this worth obtaining?

All sorts of opinions are usually tolerated here. However, there is no harm in being relevant. And what you are attempting here is much more sinister, whether by design, or by accident. Linking the sins of other Christians (from which Armenians also suffered greatly; read about the treatment Armenians received from the Byzantines; oh wait, that would be what you would call your ancestors) to the suffering of Armenians, and implying that "now we can call it even" should not be let pass without a thorough ridicule.

 

I am sorry,

you should be

 

but I didn't say that Armenians christianized anybody.

No. See, that would not be a good propagandistic ploy. Lying obviously like that. You should imply it and let the innocent reader kinda sorta imagine that in a fuzzy way. And either by design or by accident, you managed to do the latter. Don't link, directly or subliminally, what other Christians did to what Armenians did or did not do, or what happened to them. Ever.

 

And if you like to find Nazi-style arguments

No, not interested, unless you'll be kind enough to fetch them. Edited April 14, 2004 by Twilight Bark

[the real pontian]

twilight,

 

in my post about the christianization thing I was talking about my GREEK acquaintances who blamed all of the Pontians who became muslims etc. for doing so. And it was to THEM that I responded simply: "The process of christianization has been even more brutal. Or do you think that you've been Christians since the birth of mankind?"

 

this is most obvious in my post. it's one paragraph with no allusions to armenians christianizing other people.

 

 

"Because a few Armenians vent their anger at their impotence in the face of a cruel and (perhaps understandably) uncaring world?"

 

This is simply belittling the racist slant and undertone of many Aryan-pure-race-fanatism and antisemite stances professed in this thread.

[Twilight Bark]

it's one paragraph with no allusions to armenians christianizing other people.

As I said, relevance would not be harmful.

 

"Because a few Armenians vent their anger at their impotence in the face of a cruel and (perhaps understandably) uncaring world?"

 

This is simply belittling the racist slant and undertone of many Aryan-pure-race-fanatism and antisemite stances professed in this thread.

 

Ah you finally forced me to look at the thread. Yes, our visitor Teutonic Knight, who is not an Armenian. He is an "aryan-enthusiast" that had attempted to work up Armenians about their supposed fraternity with "whites"/europoids/whatever, and failed rather miserably, having underestimated how uninterested most Armenians are in racism, particularly in its theoretical, abstract form. Let him be; he seems harmless enough as far as the forum decorum goes. As for Gamavor, his favorite sport is to annoy America-Hye (a.k.a Hagarag, a.k.a Khodja), and one easy way to do it is to bait him with jewish/semite talk. I don't think Gamavor cares about race at all, or all that much, other than as a tool to get under the skin of America-Hye. Now that I bothered to mine this thread for you, I ask a reciprocal favor. Browse the forum, and gather as much sense of humor as you can to better understand the exchanges between people. And remember that not every objectionable piece of writing has been, needs to be, or can be, addressed by either the moderators or the rest of the active members. You do not have the right to assume that silence is the same as agreement. It is not our day job to make this forum all spic-and-span and heavenly for everyone and anyone that might possibly be offended by some of the expressed thoughts. I certainly am very selective in what I respond to.

[the real pontian]

on relevance:

 

Domino asked me to tell him to what degree we have been turkicized. my word on our identity (which is among others characterized by our different religion, which in turn is the main reason for other Greeks to whip us) was an answer to him and thus

 

relevant.

 

 

i will do you the favor and scan the forum for humour.

[Twilight Bark]

on relevance:

 

Domino asked me to tell him to what degree we have been turkicized. my word on our identity (which is among others characterized by our different religion, which in turn is the main reason for other Greeks to whip us) was an answer to him and thus

 

relevant.

 

 

i will do you the favor and scan the forum for humour.

Alright. I'll accept that. And I also don't know much about how "brutal" the Christianization of Pontic Greeks were. In any event, if your rejection by the mainstream Greek culture has anything to do with the brutality of conversion, it is in the reverse sense of what you are suggesting. To clarify, to the extent that the islamization of Pontic Greeks was not "brutal", Greeks may see themselves justified in saying "You made your choice, you abandoned what is profoundly important to us. Don't bang the door on the way out." So I don't know what exactly the issue of brutality has to offer in the way of acceptance into the mainstream of Greek culture. I personally would welcome muslim Armenians to the fold, but I suspect I would be a relatively small minority in doing so. I am afraid Armenian mainstream does not offer many ecouraging examples in terms of accepting non-Christians into their fold. However, there certainly are Armenians who would like to see the Hemshinli to embrace their Armenianness.

 

Anyway, you are welcome to comment on things Armenian from your perspective.

[gurgen]

gurgen,

it might seem jocular to you. To me it isn't. I don't appreciate the way you answer my sincere demand.

You really don't get it do you?

 

I strongly advise taking a course in comprehensive humour and English.

That's all I have to say

[DominO123]

on relevance:

 

Domino asked me to tell him to what degree we have been turkicized. my word on our identity (which is among others characterized by our different religion, which in turn is the main reason for other Greeks to whip us) was an answer to him and thus

 

relevant.

 

 

i will do you the favor and scan the forum for humour.

Well, actually, I think you have scanned the forum enough to call me Domino as I see.

[bellthecat]

i am a Sarahote from Uzungöl, Çaykara (Trabzon). A wonderful place to be. Perhaps you've been there.

Uzungöl. Go there? - no thanks! Full of cretin tourists, both foreign and Turk, on their daytrips from Trabzon; that mosque sitting by the lakeside like an ugly cancer spot; litter everywhere. The worst thing about uglyness is when you look upon uglyness and know that it was one beautiful.

[the real pontian]

Uzungöl. Go there? - no thanks! Full of cretin tourists, both foreign and Turk, on their daytrips from Trabzon; that mosque sitting by the lakeside like an ugly cancer spot; litter everywhere. The worst thing about uglyness is when you look upon uglyness and know that it was one beautiful.

 

it's not that bad either. don't be so negative about tourists. we have to put up with them. keeping the city clean is an issue which is being addressed since a while. on the cancer spot - no comment. many sarahotes like it as it is.

[the real pontian]

Well, actually, I think you have scanned the forum enough to call me Domino as I see.

well observed, Domino.

[bellthecat]

on the cancer spot - no comment. many sarahotes like it as it is.

I would have liked it as it was.

[Twilight Bark]

Well, actually, I think you have scanned the forum enough to call me Domino as I see.

His pledge was not to simply read the forum but to read the forum with a flexible mind, and with his sense-of-humor circuits turned on. So he needs to re-read the stuff then.

[DominO123]

So he needs to re-read the stuff then.

As an Armenian, I guess the size of my big Armenian nose has some purposes beside being esthetic.

[Twilight Bark]

As an Armenian, I guess the size of my big Armenian nose has some purposes beside being esthetic.

I am trying hard to keep an open mind about the smell Domino.

[the real pontian]

His pledge was not to simply read the forum but to read the forum with a flexible mind, and with his sense-of-humor circuits turned on. So he needs to re-read the stuff then.

I'll be through.

just wait another week and i'll come up with cracking funny jokes making you burst with laughter.

[gurgen]

I'm sure we're all bristling with anticipation.

[DominO123]

I'll be through.

just wait another week and i'll come up with cracking funny jokes making you burst with laughter.

No one imposed you to come up with jokes.

 

Since you are posting in the genocide section, why don't you start by telling us what is your take regarding the issue?

[the real pontian]

Since you are posting in the genocide section, why don't you start by telling us what is your take regarding the issue?

Hi Domino,

 

I think there is crushing evidence that a genocide has been perpetrated by the Ottoman forces. An atrocity that never should happen again.

[gurgen]

Hi Domino,

 

I think there is crushing evidence that a genocide has been perpetrated by the Ottoman forces. An atrocity that never should happen again.

Of course you do

[the real pontian]

thank you for your moral support gurgen. Appreciated..

[gurgen]

Like the wise man said: 'There's no need to restate the obvious..'

[the real pontian]

Like the wise man said: 'There's no need to restate the obvious..'

Yes

and as the wiser man with a long white beard uses to say:

 

There's always the need to restate the obvious as there are people who obviously deny the obvious ...

[AnoushBabyGirl1]

"I think there is crushing evidence that a genocide has been perpetrated by the Ottoman forces. An atrocity that never should happen again."

 

If you are Greek but a turkish citizen, how do you feel about ther land that Greece wants back from turkey? The turks did steal it from your ancestors, just as they stole most of Armenia.