Again about turks

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Below are some posts I've moved here from our guestbook. I think this is the right place for them but not our guestbook.

I'll use their name and email addresses as a User name.

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I am armenian. I'm living in Turkey. What is written in this page is not true. My all family, friends are living in Turkey. We are working here, we are earning money here from Turkish goverment and we are eating here. Are you helping us? Are you giving money to us? What the hell are you doing? What you do is only to cry, to show yourself as suffered people and to write ******* words. I know you will not write my comments. But never mind. Continue to cry babs

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To Ani: First of all the fact that a couple of people with Armenian names are living and eating in Turkey doesn't mean that whole the world's Armenians have to shut up on Genocide issue. Second, forgive the ****-words writing people, they are just kids. Though the issue of Genocide is manipulated by different countries, and sometimes resembles crying, the ordinary Armenians are just asking the world to accept that 3 mln. Armenias once lived in Western Armenia and they somehow disappeared. They didn't managed it themselves, did they. Somebody helped them. Who was that? It was the one who is doing the same with kurds now. Change your name, it doesn't suite you.

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Hi everyone , i'm an armenian from france , and it's great to see websites like this one !!Exept that unending discussion about turkey!!

I'm a bolsahay so i happen to know both countries and all i can say is that we should take more distance with the past eventhough I totally agree that turkey is totally guilty in this affair but we should concentrate on us : the young armenians because WE ARE making the history of the Armenian diaspora everyday !! It' s up to us to preserve and to help Armenia !

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Originally posted by Astro (strouda@yahoo.fr):
Hi everyone , i'm an armenian from france , and it's great to see websites like this one !!Exept that unending discussion about turkey!!
I'm a bolsahay so i happen to know both countries and all i can say is that we should take more distance with the past eventhough I totally agree that turkey is totally guilty in this affair but we should concentrate on us : the young armenians because WE ARE making the history of the Armenian diaspora everyday !! It' s up to us to preserve and to help Armenia !

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That doesn't mean forget about the Armenian Genocide, does it? People think they are so cool by saying "distance yourself from the past, forget the past, work on the future".
I think this is all just hypocrisy. You can forget the past if you want, but I won't forget about justice. Armenians are victims of the past. And why is that? Because the world forgets about justice in the present.If Armenians forget, if we dont fight for justice, then who will? The world will do nothing. This is the agitation that all Armenians have, and everytime there is a political discussion, Armenians get very angry and tempers flare. Ani who lives in Turkey says that our impression of turkey is wrong, that life with today's turks is different. But if you live somewhere else and see how much money turkey is spending in that country's government to deny the Genocide, you will talk like we talk. Maybe turks today are different people. I dont care how kind or friendly they are. The issue isn't a social or personal one. The issue is about justice! Turks may live together with Armenians, but if the turkish government still denies the murder of my family, I will not change my opinion.
And by the way, can you tell me that Armenians who live in turkey today have no problems? That they live free as if they were turks and not Armenians? Then why do so many Armenians have turkish names, especially last names? I think those Armenians who defend turkey are hypocrites.

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BArev Dzez

Yerek arten isk Xosetsink iys Hartsy shurj

Zaveshtali e .

dzer srtin mot mi vertsrek sa uraki "BArstradziyn mtastum em"

uremn iyspes.

800 tary menak Hayers kotorvel , gndakaharvel , glxatvel yev kaxaran en barstratsrel voch miyayn mez nayev mer mshakuyt@ yev Azgayin HArstutyuner@ ,

Kortsrel enk mer petutyun@ Asorinerin Mongolnerin parsiknerin turkerin yev iyln, srantsits yev voch mekin chi hajorvel mez HAyeris verchnakanapes jnjel iys yerkir kochvats molorakits.

yev amen ankam votki enk kangnel mer isk Aryan gnov mer isk Zavakneri yev dstreri ,Tat u PAperi Kyankerov, Kortsrel enk Amen inch yev mez miyayn mnatsel e

Yerkir HAyastan

Hayots Karkatvats Patmutyun

HAyots Ayb- bu - ben -

Hayots lezu

HAyots Tasib & NAmus

yev Vorosh Azgayin Harstutyun.

 

Jarangel enk nayev HAyi Darn u tsav@ .

Mer Hayi Harts@

verchin 85 tarinerum Bazmativ HAyer irents Kyankn en nviril iys Azgayin hartsin "HAyots Hartsin" .

yete anunerov tvenk shat yerkar klini , chnayats vor bolorn el Arjani en hishatakvelu.

Shater@ irents HAngist kyank@ torats ireenst @entanikner@, Azgi hamar nvirel en amen inch.

yev iysor

menak Hayers amen meks yurovin mer dzvov mer tarber bazmatesak yev bazmativ kusaktsakan yev ankusakstakan , ankax te vor mek Yekerretsn enk patkanum . ankax te vorr ter enk aprum , porstum enk yurovi mer HAyi BAxti mez bajin hastats Dardin DArman anel .

Sakayn kan HAyer voronk gtel en dzev@ shat heshtutyamb lustelu mer bolor harster@ ,

moranal antsyal@?

nerel katarvatsy hamar?

handznel iyn inch "mer@ chi" Karabagh

hangist tornel turkerin ?

chpahanjel iyn inch mern e?

iysinkn chen tsankanukm vochinchov masnakstel kam ognel nrants ovker tekuz yev xoskov portsum en inchvor me dzevov ogtakar linel Hay Azgin,

Bavakanin hesht e lutsum@ irents hamar.

yev bavaknain vnasakar mez Hayeris.

de hents iyn en e inch tariner iver turker@ matstel en yev huys paypayel vor menk HAyers k@moranank Asxharh@ k@morana ,

de lav bavakan e Papkasun MAmayi balek , vaxenum ek ? te tasib chunek ? dzer namus@ ur e dzer Pativ@, dzer VREJI zgatsmunk@ ? ov ek duk ? inch ek duk? inch aryun e hosum dzer yerakneri mej ?

shat shut ek moranum amen inch 10 tary der chi antsel Sumgayit & Kharabagi JArtserits HAryuravor HAyer Spanvetsin , inchu hamar miyayn HAy linelu ,

yev shater gnatsin KAmavor MAhvan MAHAPARTNER vor menak esor HAy mnank, yev Yerkirn HAyots Haykakan lini,

isk duk dzer en sirun BAzkatorits angam chek uzum ver kenal ,portsum ek Jaiylami pes gluxnert avazi mej dnelov maranal , nerrel , chmtatsel Turki masin kam Adrbejani , to dzer hern el enter Anitsem te moranalu ek ov ek duk yev iys Asxharh inchu ek yekel dzez n@manner yerbek el HAy azgin peq chen yekel . Menk Vasakner shat enk unetsel mer azgi mej sakayn misht el Goyatevel yev votki enk kangnel.

Kettse HAyastan Kettse HAy azg yev bolor n@rank ovker inchvor mi dzev inchvor mi janaparhov portsum enk AZGI dardin Darman linel .

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Bravo Ani yev Astro!

 

Finally some other Armenians who are willing to stand up to fanaticism! I am attacked all the time because I question the jingoism of some Armenians on this website. They are leading Armenia to become another rogue state hated by everyone, just like Serbia. It is up to people like us who are not blinded by hate to stand up to them. Don't let these fanatics intimidate you. They will try, just check out the Karabagh topic that was closed and you will see their intolerance of other viewpoints. Keep coming back.

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PS: I know I said I would avoid the politics forum, but I couldn't resist, and Berj who are you to tell Ani to change her name? Change yours!

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Originally posted by farsisteve@aol.com:
PS: I know I said I would avoid the politics forum, but I couldn't resist, and Berj who are you to tell Ani to change her name? Change yours!

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Dear farsistev..whatever,

Will you express the same peaceful thoughts while being an Armenian border soldger, confronting turkish armie's 3-rd corps (150 thusand), ready to strike as soon as russians remove their base.

Thanks

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Farsi ? du der Iyster es ?

Baba herik Qaqes Sistemi mej,

davay sterits .

Bumerangi poes gnum het es galsi .

sran me ktor khormesabsi cheloqyabap tevk tor yerta ARTS & LOVE Section.

te du ur ? PAlitikan ur .

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I will not change mine name. My father, pure armenian, gave this name to me. Who do you think yourself to tell me to change my name?

Change your name and make it any American name. OK? I am very proud of being armenian and I am more than armenian than your. I and my family have been living with Turkish people. We know Turks better than you. My friends are Turks. We like them. What do you know about them. Do you know how many armenian are living in Turkey? Do you know we have our armenian schools, hospitals, churches in Turkey? Who made them? You????

 

First you have to learn peace. We learned. Then try to understand other armenian people. You are not the only armenian. In fact I wonder what yo did for armenian people? Life must be easy to live in USA and blame Turkish people, hate Turks and also hate armenian people who do not have same ideas or feelings with you and tell them to change their names. You even don't like your people. What is your point?

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Sireli Ani

 

Akh! Inch lav vor mahat kach akhchik ga vor jishtustsun a asum! Good for you for putting these people in their place. Fanatics are the same everywhere. The can be Armenian ,Azeri, Serbian, Albanian, Israeli or Palestinian. You could substitute "Karabagh" for "Kosovo"! They are the ones leading our planet on the path to annihilation, it is up to rational people everywhere to avoid this. My family also has no problem with the Turkish people as a whole, but God forbid we say this or the "Armenian Thought Police" will jump down our throats! We do hate the government for refusiing to deny the proven fact of the Holocaust, but we can't hate the people. I think Armenians need to hear from people like you. My mom's best friend was born in Polis, and says she never felt any hostility from Turks. In fact she said that Greeks gave her a hard time when growing up! Bravo akhchik, khuntrumem vor het shaat gu gas!

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Sireli Ani jan

 

Here is something that I read in a book Survivors an Oral History of the Armenian Genocide. There was a town in the east where the entire Turkish population took up arms and blockaded the Kurds, in order to protect the Armenian inhabitants. THe town was called Keghi. I think this sums up my feelings about the Turks vs. Kurds and yours as well. Give me the Turks any day. I would much more trust the Turks than the Kurds. Bayts shaat Hay gan vor eshen, they are blinded. I wouldn't trust the Kurds with my dog! There were so many Turks who saved Armenians, at great personal risk to their own lives. Yes there were Kurds who also did the same, but they were much fewer. They were ready to sell out their neighbors in hopes of getting goodies from the Turkish government.

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jana es inch jan jigyarov enk esor

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Jan Fedayi "Jan"

 

Gartsumem vor menak galises es forumi vor neghatsnez inzi, yev hima Ani i. Yep vor mahat khelatsi ban unes ases, shaat lav, hametsek. Bayts inchu betke gas yev "sarcastic" ban ases?

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farsisteve@aol.com Jan Fedayi "Jan"

Gartsumem vor menak galises es forumi vor neghatsnez inzi, yev hima Ani i. Yep vor mahat khelatsi ban unes ases, shaat lav, hametsek. Bayts inchu betke gas yev "sarcastic" ban ases?

 

lsy mi hat lav matsy minchev mi ban grum es.

me naxadasutyun em grl

<< JanFedayi jana es inch jan jigyarov enk esor >>

es nerratsnela ?

to iy paliglot mi stipi vor iskapes nerratsnem .

iys internet@ vorkanov vor keza azatutyun yev hnaravorutyuun @entsayel vor xoses iynkan el mez yev bolorin ,yev @enthanrapes asxhaty vro ester HAkaHAykakan

yev HAykakan Adatits durs baner durs chtas.

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Jan Fedayi "jan"

 

Gartsumem vor me kich nakhanz es inzi. You are unable to come up with interesting, stimulating topics that provoke discussion. I have received many compliments from people on this website for my original topics. This is even from people who don't always agree with me. You only know how to spout out the usual Armenian rhetoric. Thus you must rely on personal attacks and sarcasm. Open your mind dude. There is a whole world out there beyond Hayastan!

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"Sireli" Berj

 

THe last time I checked, this site was called "Hye Forum" not "Hayastan Forum" I figured since I am Hay (though half) I have a right to debate on it. Well Armenia is going to have to face all those "problems" now whether you like it or not. If the Republic of Armenia is going to be a fascist place where a pluralism of ideas is not allowed, then I want no part of it. I often have considered going there to help build the nation, as I am a teacher. It is people like you that I encounter that turn me off of the idea.

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Dear Hay forum users

 

As usual Berj strays us off from the topic, so lets get back to it:Again About Turks.

Me and Ani seem to feel that the Kurds are our real enemy, rather than the Turks. I am not saying that Turkey is an ideal friend either, but I really feel that Kurds are not to be trusted. They never have. They betrayed the Shah and the Shah's father numerous times. They have betrayed the U.S. (so watch out no one messes with my dad's land!) And yet now so many Armenians are sympathetic to them, boo hoo, poor things!Whenever I would act selfish and mean to my cousins or friends when I was a kid, my mom would tell me "Kurdi bes mielni!" I think that was for a reason.

 

My dad was stationed in Eastern Turkey(I.E occupied Armenia) and found the Kurds to be cold, mean and rude. This was in contrast to the Turks who were hospitable and friendly. I said it once and I will say it again, if I had to choose between a Turk or a Kurd to trust I will choose the Turk in a second!

 

Ani, by the way, do you like Ajda Pekkan? Chok guzel!

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Originally posted by farsisteve@aol.com:
Jan Fedayi "jan"

Gartsumem vor me kich nakhanz es inzi. You are unable to come up with interesting, stimulating topics that provoke discussion. I have received many compliments from people on this website for my original topics. This is even from people who don't always agree with me. You only know how to spout out the usual Armenian rhetoric. Thus you must rely on personal attacks and sarcasm. Open your mind dude. There is a whole world out there beyond Hayastan!

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Farsi jan,
It's true that you come up with intersting provocative topics. But they have nothing to do with the present day REPUBLIC OF ARMENIA. ***ual revolution, race mixture etc. may become topics for discussions only if Armenia will one day become strong, secure, rich country with 60mln population. Unification for struggle excludes not open-mindedness. Washington, Jefferson and others who founded and raised USA were not open-minded. Robespiere, Napolion etc. were not open-minded. They consciously stayed conservatives for you to be open-minded.
If we're talking about Armenian diaspora, it can live as it wishes to. But if we're talking about the free Armenian state which exists first time after 1475, and is in danger now, then we have to talk about arms deliveries, power stations, child birth rate (only conservative families have 4-5 childs in Armenia) etc. Guys talk to you using sarcasm because the topics you raise already look sarcastic. They look like commercials for this site to increase its rating. THE SITE IS ALREADY VERY VERY POPULAR.

Arayzhm

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Originally posted by farsisteve@aol.com:
Dear Hay forum users

As usual Berj strays us off from the topic, so lets get back to it:Again About Turks.
Me and Ani seem to feel that the Kurds are our real enemy, rather than the Turks. I am not saying that Turkey is an ideal friend either, but I really feel that Kurds are not to be trusted. They never have. They betrayed the Shah and the Shah's father numerous times. They have betrayed the U.S. (so watch out no one messes with my dad's land!) And yet now so many Armenians are sympathetic to them, boo hoo, poor things!Whenever I would act selfish and mean to my cousins or friends when I was a kid, my mom would tell me "Kurdi bes mielni!" I think that was for a reason.

My dad was stationed in Eastern Turkey(I.E occupied Armenia) and found the Kurds to be cold, mean and rude. This was in contrast to the Turks who were hospitable and friendly. I said it once and I will say it again, if I had to choose between a Turk or a Kurd to trust I will choose the Turk in a second!

Ani, by the way, do you like Ajda Pekkan? Chok guzel!

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Steve I didnt know you were half Armenian. In that case I have the right to doubt your Armenianness, as I did in my other writing. It's obvious to me you have an identity crisis. First of all, if you're half Armenian, you need to shut your mouth. You're a hypocrite, pure and simple. If America is your dad's land, just shut up and stay here. Look how he talks about Armenia, he's talking like all the bad things that he predicts will happen are gonna be bad for the country and for all Armenians, but not bad for him cuz he's constantly alienating himself from "us".
I'll let you humuliate yourself, you do a good job all alone. People like you dont deserve an answer to all your nifty "original" topics. As I said before, I'm not talking about social issues you jerk, we're talking about politics here and you cant differentiate so you hear a hardline stance and say its old fashioned armenian closed mindedness. You're just a fool who doesnt have anything beeter to do.

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Originally posted by Arman D.:
Steve I didnt know you were half Armenian. In that case I have the right to doubt your Armenianness,

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No, I'm sorry, you have no right to doubt Steve's Armeniannes.

What you are saying is offensive, narrow minded and dangerous. Any idea's about ehntic 'purity' are ill-formed reactionary nonsense.

Think about the events in the 20th century.
Ethnic 'purity' is a falsehood.

We must learn from the mistakes of the past.

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Arman, I agree with Dan. You have no right to say Steve those kinds of words and to humiliate armenian people whose father or mother got married with another country's person. There are so many armenian people who got married with another country's people. How many pure armenian in the world? And is it important? I don't think so. There are so many armenian in the world, even you can call them as half armenian, I don't agree with you. It is not good to humiliate armenian people because their father or mother were not armenian.

 

Peace. Please peace. First of all, all we have to learn peace. If anybody read this forum, he or she can say "look at armenians. They don't even understand and like and accept each other. What they do is all the time to argue to fight each other" Right?

 

I like you all armenians. Even your father or mother are not armenian, I accept you. We don't need hatred.

 

On the other hand, It is a very big realty that millions of armenian live in Turkey. We live with Turkish people. We know them very well and we like them very much. All the armenians who live in Turkey speak very well Turkish. We don't have any problem with Turks even we live together. I don't understand this hostility. First of all peace.

 

And steve, yes I like Ajda Pekkan. I grown up with her songs. And I also like Tarkan who is famous with SIMARIK song.

 

God bless all of you.

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Arman "jan" Inch adel unes im hamar. INch iravoonk unes ases es baneru? Yes amen iravoonk unem gam yev asem inch ga im sirtis vura. Tu oves vor ases es baneru? Who the hell are you to tell me these things. Whoopee you are pure Armenian. Lets give you a medal. I have maintained being an Armenian despite living among Mexicans, being half Armenian, and looking American. I have maintained being Armenian despite narrow minded prejudiced people like you who tell me "isk hay ches" even people in my family.I have always cried out to people like them"I am Armenian!" Even though I look American,or I would fit in in Scotland or Ireland, I am Armenian at heart! Haven't I proven my love for Armenians just by dialoging on this website? IF I was so American I would be in other forums, but I choose to be here. Amot kez, astvats meor kezi ku batezhi! Yes het gu kam es forumi, inch kan vor uzumem!

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"Stay Here" does that mean you live in America Arman? Why don't you go home to your beloved Armenia then? But no, you're probably on the gravy train over here enjoying the goodies America has to offer, including our girls, then you sit and dream of Hayastan. Give me a break! ANd you call me the hypocrite. Geghdzavor! And I won't shut up! Dzenut kutri tukh!