THOTH Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Harut:i disapprove you Westerners to insult Artur for thinking the way he does. after all (like Sip said) that is what you Westerners promot the most (freedom of speach), don't you?Freedom of speech is all well and good - and I certainly would not (nor have I) advocate(d) silencing Artur...it is he who has labled my views disgusting and unacceptable - etc. and has suggested that I have no place here - that I am not Armenian etc quote:Originally posted by Harut:while i may disagree with many of things that Artur said in this topic, i don't blame him.Don't blame him for what? The terrible conditions in Armenian today? I don't understand... quote:Originally posted by Harut:one thing you Westerners don't understand (or don't want to understand) is that what Artur says is what he was tought. that's the way of thinking he has, and i don't see anything wrong in his thinking. he states something, then he brings reasons for that. those reasons might not please you Westerners, but those are things that in his society people value the most.I/we understand that he is representing traditinal views and to some extent Eastern views and that (many) people live like he describes and think such. Maybe it is "right" for them (though I would appreciate more women's views on this (if they are allowed to speak). In general though I think that Artur and those like him portray life in the West as much more different from the traditional than it in fact is (in many respects). It is also he who is rejecting the differences - rejecting change. Most of us understand how things are & were & still even are here in many places. quote:Originally posted by Harut:start looking to the issue from the other side! what Artur thinks is thought by majority in his society, and that's why those things are still important there. so, if that's what majority wants and accapts then that's what ought to be there (again, aren't you ones promoting this?). and you can't tell that that's wrong, because that's right for them.See above. Is it the majority? Again I suggest asking women. Artur is rejecting the idea of women driving. Well, perhaps in some places it isn't a necessity etc - well here in the West it is - so how is it his role to say that it is wrong - he is the one out of touch - not the other way around. quote:Originally posted by Harut:i agree tough that Artur doesn't look to the issue from your side either.when i lived in Armenia i thought of US as the "hell" on the earth because what people were doing here were not accepted there. but when i moved here i started understanding that this is what people here like and value. now i don't consider it "heaven" but i can see what's going on.And? (spit it out son) quote:Originally posted by Harut:another thing, you Westeners stop stereotyping all other kinds of thinking into "Taliban" thinking (good for you that they are around, otherwise what were you going to call people who think differently).this is for now. Well - it is taliban thinking. Sure the Taliban version is the extreme - but these attitudes are part of the same phenomonon. The time for these attitudes is or at least should be past/passing. It is just wrong to deny 1/2 of the population basic rights - etc. The "traditonalists" are perpetuating a system that is - in its extreme - savage - and at the very least is unenlightened. It is largely based on false assumptions and fear. I'm not saying that division of labor (along gender lines) and such is (strictly)wrong - and a certain amount of this will naturally occur. What I object to are laws/practices etc which force this situation and force disadvantage (and worse) on the female... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 29, 2002 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Shish Now Thoth is using ETC + ETC + ETC He he Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 quote:Originally posted by PandukhT:KOKO jan is it only AZAT thats Evel or the USA is Evel or all the American-Armenians are Evel Not everyone Mos, just you, me and Harut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyeflyer Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Wow this is just all to dam unbelievable.Lets see the topic was women driving.It seems since they got their licences they are the fault of the problems in the world,Prostitution,The degredation of the armenian comunity,our children marrying odars,the lack of Christianity in our people,I cant see for the life of me how this got here from women driving.I like when the missus drives me arround.It gives me time to look arround at the scenery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 quote:Originally posted by PandukhT:Arthur are you in UK.?yes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 quote:Originally posted by ARTURian:yes...That's what I was thinking so thanks for being honest You actually seem to have a stranger schedule than I do. I was looking at the different times you have been posting but I just couldn't figure out a pattern! Are you just there temporarily? Because from a lot of your posts it sounded like you are sitting in the middle of Yerevan. [ January 29, 2002: Message edited by: Sip ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 quote:Originally posted by THOTH:Freedom of speech is all well and good - and I certainly would not (nor have I) advocate(d) silencing Artur...it is he who has labled my views disgusting and unacceptable - etc. and has suggested that I have no place here - that I am not Armenian etcDon't blame him for what? The terrible conditions in Armenian today? I don't understand...yes, i agree that he is agresive in his posstings. what i was saying is that don't call him names because he thinks in a certain way.i don't blame him of thinking that way because that's what he saw from childhood, that's how people around him think (most likely).and what terrible conditions are you talking about? i don't understand either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Azat:Not everyone Mos, just you, me and Harut. du der chgitesinchqan 'evil' em yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Sip:That's what I was thinking so thanks for being honest You actually seem to have a stranger schedule than I do. I was looking at the different times you have been posting but I just couldn't figure out a pattern! Are you just there temporarily? Because from a lot of your posts it sounded like you are sitting in the middle of Yerevan. [ January 29, 2002: Message edited by: Sip ]Naa, he is just a hypocrite punk who bitches about the west, but takes all the benefits of the west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 29, 2002 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 if some of our members will not stop using bad language, I will #1 close this topic #2 will ask moderators to -> gave warnings to at-list 1 or 2 members. Â MOvses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 29, 2002 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Ser Artur, be nice to other members. AZAT is MAN.  AZAT - stop using bad language  shat aveli karovor hartser kan voronts petqe ushadrutyun darstnel yev xosel, isk menq arden bavakanin jamanak enq vatnum iyster, iyn el inchi hamar ? ehhh, karj asats verch tveq... cham kartsum sa Mez VAyel e...  MOvses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Movses, I a done with this topic and Artur. If you feel that I deserve a warning, I am okay with that. I have used language that should not have been used. I do feel that this topic should be closed after everyone makes a comment because it has ran out of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 ...double message again... [ January 29, 2002: Message edited by: ARTURian ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Movses, i am not going to follow azat's way. don't worry  Azat, if you would be a man you would contact me in private. So far you are throwing bad words in public, that shows how not serious you are and that you have no responsibilities over your own words. I PMed you, hope you will the same!!! Start being a man for God's sake!!!  Regards,Artur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 [ January 29, 2002: Message edited by: ARTURian ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Sip:Are you just there temporarily? Yes, i am doing Bachelor degree in Business and Economics here... final year.[ January 29, 2002: Message edited by: ARTURian ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 29, 2002 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Artur asetsy che verch tveq , du der PM es uzum urarkes??? Verch tveqi vor mas@ cheq haskanum ??? inch vor du eyir asum shateri hamar shat voravorakan er, nuyn el irenst asats@ qez, de verch tveq verchana es inch bana,  jur eq tsetsum - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 [ January 29, 2002: Message edited by: ARTURian ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturian Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Movses, i talked to him and he understood the point. And it will never happen again. We indeed have more imortant issues to discuss.  Artur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Movses? chlini barkanum es? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 quote:Originally posted by ARTURian:Movses, i talked to him and he understood the point. And it will never happen again. We indeed have more imortant issues to discuss.ArturWho did you talk to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 30, 2002 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Harut:Movses? chlini barkanum es? HArout jan yes bolori het el barekam em Chgiteyir ???Amenalav BArekam@ yev Amenavat TshnaminBA!!! TAkiye Piragi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nvard Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Sip:[QB]Have you heard of Israel? If there was no US, there would be no Israel!!! QB]Lol......I think it's vice versa No Jews no America Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Nvard:Lol......I think it's vice versa No Jews no America Very true ... at least not the kind of America we know today. I was referring more to the "state" of Israel ... The jews would still find a way to survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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