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[Arpa]

It has gone beyond being just an Armenian NATIONAL NEWS. It has now become INTERNATIONAL

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-breaks-promise--again--to-commemorate-armenian--genocide-155128834.html

 

Obama breaks promise (again) to commemorate Armenian genocide

 

By Olivier Knox, Yahoo News 21 hours ago Yahoo News

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Demonstrators attend a torch-bearing march marking the anniversary of the 1915 mass killings of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, in Yerevan April 23, 2014. Armenian President Serzh Sarksyan accused Turkey of "utter denial" of what Armenia sees as the genocide of Armenians by the Ottoman Empire 99 years ago, but said his country does not consider Turks its enemy. Picture taken April 23, 2014. REUTERS/Hayk Baghdasaryan/Photolure (ARMENIA - Tags: ANNIVERSARY POLITICS CIVIL UNREST)

 

During the 2008 campaign, Barack Obama could not have been clearer about what he thought of the mass killings of Armenians at the hands of Ottoman Turks in 1915.

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"My firmly held conviction (is) that the Armenian Genocide is not an allegation, a personal opinion, or a point of view, but rather a widely documented fact supported by an overwhelming body of historical evidence," he said in a statement. "The facts are undeniable," Obama wrote. "As President I will recognize the Armenian Genocide."

Once in office, though? Not so much. Not at all, in fact.

President Obama on Thursday called the slaughter one of the worst atrocities of the 20th century. But for the sixth straight year, he did not use the word genocide a move that Armenians would have cheered but would also have risked profoundly angering Turkey, a crucial NATO ally.

I have consistently stated my own view of what occurred in 1915, and my view has not changed, Obama said in his 2014 statement. A full, frank, and just acknowledgement of the facts is in all of our interests.

Peoples and nations grow stronger, and build a foundation for a more just and tolerant future, by acknowledging and reckoning with painful elements of the past, the president added. We continue to learn this lesson in the United States, as we strive to reconcile some of the darkest moments in our own history.

The issue highlights the chasm between the demands of domestic politics magnified by a presidential campaign and those of foreign policy. A better-known version is the aspirant to the White House who promises on the trail to take a hard line on China but bends in the face of managing what is one of the most complex and important American relationships in the world.

As a senator, Obama co-sponsored a resolution calling for the use of the term genocide when discussing the Armenian tragedy. A similar proposal cleared the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 10 by a 12-5 vote. The only member of the panel not to vote was potential 2016 Republican presidential hopeful Rand Paul.

Turkey fiercely disputes the genocide charge and has warned that formal U.S. steps to use the term will hamper relations. Turkey's then-ambassador to Washington, Namik Tan, sharply criticized a similar statement from Obama in 2011, taking to Twitter to denounce it as inaccurate, flawed and one-sided.

And Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan issued a statement this week declaring that using the events of 1915 as an excuse for hostility against Turkey and turning this issue into a matter of political conflict is inadmissible.

It is indisputable that the last years of the Ottoman Empire were a difficult period, full of suffering for Turkish, Kurdish, Arab, Armenian and millions of other Ottoman citizens, regardless of their religion or ethnic origin, said Erdogan, who called for a scholarly analysis of the events 99 years ago.

Obamas statement drew a sharp rebuke from Armenian National Committee of America Executive Director Aram Hamparian, who deplored the sad spectacle of Obama bowing to Turkeys gag rule.

"President Obama continues to outsource his policy on the Armenian Genocide, effectively granting Turkey a veto over America's response to this crime against humanity," Hamparian said.

Twenty-two countries have recognized the events of 1915 as genocide, and 42 U.S. states have done so as well, either by legislation or proclamation. Congressional resolutions aimed at doing the same at the national level have never become law. Successive presidents have objected on grounds that doing so risks angering Turkey.

[onjig]

Greetings Arpa, Is anyone suprised that he was lying? During the first election these Armenian organisations called me encouraging me to vote for the muslum, marxist, m&8%% ##@^&*^. I told the one young fellow, when he called, This is a Marxist Muslum, who will he agree with? His answer was "you think he is?" pause "He might be."

One of the first things Husain Jabama did was go to Turkey and lick around.

 

We all should have seen this.

[Harut]

Marxists are inherently anti-religion... how can he be both Marxist and Muslim?

[onjig]

You think muslims are all devout, like in the movies? Believe it or not all Hye know the God, some think they are too smart to have faith.

[Arpa]

I hate to do this. Respond to inane responses to my original post.

It is beyond my comprehension how my original post about of how our narrow ethno-national saga, cause and quest has become internationalized, and how it turned to a Republican v Democrat debate and imbroglio. The hell with his Marxist** arse-ist muslim devoutness or devoidness of OBamia-OBummer.*** Yet again. How is Obama obligated to the Armenians? How many voting Armenians are there in the US? How many Armenians are there on the Globe? How many turks and turkics?

**Are we talking about this Marx? What the hell is Marxism? Just like his partner in Crime Egels both jews , to not forget that lenin was a jew as well, their main objective was to sink Europe to the bottom of Atlantis and reemerge in telaviv..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groucho_Marx

***Here is his picture;

http://www.celestialhealing.net/internalhealth/Okra_Cure_for_Diabetes.htm

 

Can we please stay with the original intent of thread, as how our Saga has been picked up by the World Media, and the benefits, if any? And how that DOG er-DOG-an is being defanged. Or, is he?

http://www.armradio.am/en/2014/04/25/cnn-slams-obama-for-breaking-armenian-genocide-pledge/

 

On April 24, 2014, CNN anchor and chief Washington correspondent Jake Tapper reported on President Barack Obamas dramatic retreat from his pledge for the sixth year in a row to properly characterize the murder of 1.5 million Armenians as genocide.

Using video of then Senator Obama, shared by the ANCA, and Samantha Powers campaign pitch for the President in 2008, Tapper concluded that the facts once characterized by Obama as undeniable, are in fact, for the President quite deniable.

For the sixth year in a row, President Barack Obama has broken his promise to the Armenian community, made when seeking their votes as a senator and a presidential candidate, to use the word genocide to describe the massacre of an estimated 1.5 million Armenians at the hands of the Ottoman Empire a century ago. He did this in deference to the government of Turkey, which historical revisionism aside the Obama administration regards as a more crucial ally, Tapper wrote in an article.

The disappointment from Armenian-Americans is all the more profound because not only did then-Senator Obama promise to call the massacre a genocide, he held up his willingness to do so as an example of why he was the kind of candidate the nation needed, noting as a presidential candidate that in 2006 he had criticized then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for firing U.S. Ambassador to Armenia John Evans after he properly used the term genocide to describe Turkeys slaughter of thousands of Armenians starting in 1915. I shared with Secretary Rice my firmly held conviction that the Armenian Genocide is not an allegation, a personal opinion, or a point of view, but rather a widely documented fact supported by an overwhelming body of historical evidence.

The facts are undeniable, Obama said then, though today he denied them.

America deserves a leader who speaks truthfully about the Armenian Genocide and responds forcefully to all genocides, he said in 2008. I intend to be that president.

[Arpa]

That er-DOG-an must be feeling the heat and international pressure.

Or, on the other hand, he will shed some more crocodile tears **, sing that old refrain for another some 300+ days, loll us to sleep until after the 100th anniversary it become ANCIENT HISTORY. ՔՈՒՆ ԵՂԻՐ ԲԱԼԱՍ: After all, who now remembers that Mongol Gengiz Khans murderous invasion of Armenia and Europe?

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http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-ready-confront-killings-armenians-144331591.html

 

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Tuesday his nation was ready to "confront" the nation's history of killing ethnic Armenians nearly a century ago, but stopped short of admitting it was genocide.

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In a weekly speech in Parliament addressing his ruling party's legislators, Erdogan reiterated a call for Armenia and Armenians living abroad to participate in research with Turkey to document precisely what happened.

In the same speech, Erdogan also criticized German President Joachim Gauck, who raised human rights concerns during his visit to Turkey this week.

Historians estimate that up to 1.5 million Armenians were killed by Ottoman Turks around the time of World War I, an event widely viewed by scholars as the first genocide of the 20th century. Turkey however, denies that the deaths constituted genocide, saying the toll has been inflated, and that those killed were victims of civil war and unrest.

"We are saying, let's wipe away the tears, push prejudices to one side, and reveal historic truths ... in an objective manner," Erdogan said.

"I hope that Armenia and the Armenian diaspora recognize our courageous step and reciprocate in the same courageous manner," he said.

Last week Erdogan issued condolences to descendants of Armenians killed. A prominent American-Armenian group rejected that message, demanding that Turkey admit that genocide happened.

Erdogan also rejected criticism of Turkey's human rights record by the visiting German president, saying Germany should save comments for its own domestic troubles, such as racist attacks on Turks in Germany.***

"We cannot tolerate meddling in our country's internal affairs," Erdogan said, the day after Gauck, who is ending a three-day visit, questioned Turkey's crackdown on freedoms.

Erdogan said Gauck a former Lutheran priest who opposed the former East Germany's communist regime was acting like a pastor instead of a statesman.

** Crocodile Tears. Կոկորդիլոսի Արտասուք

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodile_tears

 

Crocodile tears (or superficial sympathy) are a false or insincere display of emotion such as a hypocrite crying fake tears of grief.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WY0aJUJf5mQ/T_qtXhKnBpI/AAAAAAAAAMc/2nbOeZURL10/s1600/crocodile+tears.jpg

 

***Why are there furks in Germany?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Germany

[Yervant1]

It's no surprise to me that there is more talk in the international press. I believe that the gig is up and the preparations are on their way for the 100th anniversary when the rest of the world will finally acknowledge the truth alongside the US and Turkey knows this.

[Yervant1]

These releases always come out on election years!

 

Nancy Pelosi: It is critical to recognize the Armenian Genocide

12:32 30.04.2014


Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement in
recognition of the 99th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide:

`Today, we commemorate the 99th anniversary of the Armenian genocide,
remembering the victims and honoring the survivors of one of the
greatest atrocities of the 20th century. Too often, the truth of
these horrific events has been denied, yet the historical record is
clear: from 1915 to 1923, the leaders of the Ottoman Empire conceived
and carried out a genocide against the Armenian people.

`On this occasion, we remember the nightmare that forever silenced the
voices of more than 1.5 million Armenian men, women, and children ` a
staggering crime that that was unequivocally described by
international observers as a `campaign of race extermination.' We
must never forget this dark hour of history.

`If we ignore history, then we are destined to repeat the mistakes of
the past. The recent attacks on the Armenian-populated town of Kessab
in Syria are a stark and brutal reminder of the dangers in our own
time. We must be candid about the facts. That is why it is critical,
year in and year out, to reaffirm our dedication to recognizing the
Armenian genocide and to placing the U.S. Congress firmly on the side
of honesty in our history. On this somber anniversary, it is our
responsibility to embrace the truth and build a brighter future for
all Armenians.'

http://www.armradio.am/en/2014/04/30/nancy-pelosi-it-is-critical-to-recognize-the-armenian-genocide/

 

 

[Arpa]

Above we saw one DOG- er-DOG-an had to say.

Let us now see what the other DOG-IT-oghlu says.

Lets Bury our Common Pain.??

Common Pain?

Like the Pain in my eshek?

Bury what??

We have not yet buried our murdered fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters and children!!!

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http://asbarez.com/122590/davutoglu-says-lets-bury-our-common-pain/

 

 

 

 

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Davutoglu Says

Lets Bury our Common Pain.

Turkey's Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu

In a patronizing op-ed piece published on Friday in The Guardian, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu comments on Turkey-Armenia relations, and after expressing support for the April 23 condolence to Armenians statement by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the foreign minister says: Turks and Armenians we must follow Erdoğans lead and bury our common pain.

In offering condolences for the 1915 Armenian massacre, Erdoğan has presented the chance for reconciliation. Lets take it, adds Davutoglu.

The common pain rhetoric is a notion being advanced by official Ankara ahead of the centennial of the Armenian Genocide in a feeble attempt to defray attention from the true crime of the Genocide.

This repackaged denial does not serve the interests of the Turkish government, which attempting to distance itself from the Genocide. But, instead of facing its Ottoman past, the government of Turkey is sounding more denialist and insincere.

Davutoglu, also advances a notion he articulated some years past that any ethnic group that used to live in the Anatolian regionincluding Armeniansconstitute a larger Turkish Diaspora. It seems Turkeys top diplomat needs to become better versed about the definition of Diaspora.

Below is the text of Davutoglus opinion piece from The Guradian. [2]

Turks and Armenians we must follow Erdoğans lead and bury our common pain

BY AHMET DAVUTOGLU

From The Guardian

History is replete with squandered opportunities. The challenge for those in power is to assess in real time the risks of missing these moments. I had a sense back in 2009 when I was traveling to Zurich to sign an agreement with the government of Armenia that we were heading towards such a critical juncture.

The agreement would normalize Turkey-Armenia relations and have a significant and positive impact on the whole of the Caucasus. Some unexpected difficulties threatened to derail the whole process at the last moment, and had I been able to share my thoughts at the time I would have underscored the same principles set out last week by Prime Minister Erdoğan in his historic message on the events of 1915, concerning the relocation of the Ottoman Armenians. With this in mind, I believe we now have the opportunity to recapture the engagement and conciliation that eluded us in 2009.

Relations between Turks and Armenians date back centuries. As the Ottoman Empire expanded, Turks and Armenians interacted in a multitude of ways. Armenians were among the best integrated communities in terms of enriching the social, cultural, economic and political life of the empire, and added untold value to the empires development throughout cycles of war and peace.

The influence of Ottoman Armenians in intellectual and artistic circles cannot be overstated. Works of many Ottoman musicians might not have survived had not the Armenian musician Hamparsum Limoncuyan introduced a style of solfége musical teaching. Tatyos Efendi, Bimençe, and Gomitas are all well-known classical Armenian music composers who also made outstanding contributions. Edgar Manas, another Armenian, was one of the composers of the Turkish national anthem.

Ottoman architecture of the 19th century was marked by works commissioned by the Ottoman sultans to Armenian architects, most notably builders of the Balyan family. Well known landmarks of Istanbul, such as the imperial palaces of Dolmabahçe and Beylerbeyi, are attributed to the Balyans, as are several significant mosques along the Bosphorus. One of my predecessors, Gabriel Noradunkyan, served as foreign minister of the Ottoman Empire from 1912-13 and was a prominent Armenian figure in international affairs.

The power of the Ottoman empire declined continuously in the 19th century. The loss of the Balkan provinces was a striking defeat which resulted in mass atrocities, expulsion and the deportation of Ottoman Muslims. A series of ethnic cleansings in the Balkans pushed millions eastward, transforming the demographic structure of Anatolia and leading to the destabilization and deterioration of communal relations there as well. Approximately 5 million Ottoman citizens were driven away from their ancestral homes in the Balkans, the Caucasus and Anatolia. While much of western history tells of the suffering of the dispossessed and dead Ottoman Christians, the colossal sufferings of Ottoman Muslims remains largely unknown outside of Turkey.

It is an undeniable fact that the Armenians suffered greatly in the same period. The consequences of the relocation of the large part of the Armenian community are unacceptable and inhuman.

What is also true is that the dispute over why and how the Armenian tragedy happened, sadly, continues to distress Turks and Armenians today. Communal and national memories of a pain, suffering, deprivation and monumental loss of life continue to keep the Armenian and Turkish peoples apart. Competing and seemingly irreconcilable narratives on the 1915 events prevent the healing of this trauma. What we share is a common pain inherited from our grandparents.

National memories are important. However, could Turkish and Armenian narratives not come closer together, could a just memory not emerge? Believing this can happen, Turkey proposed a joint commission composed of Turkish and Armenian historians to study the events of 1915. The findings of the commission, if established, would bring about a better understanding of this tragic period and hopefully help to normalize our relationship.

Offering condolences to the descendants of Ottoman Armenians with compassion and respect is a duty of humanity. An almost century-long confrontation has proved that we cannot solve the problem unless we start listening to and understanding each other. We must also learn to respect, without comparing sufferings and without categorizing them.

Addressing my ambassadors few years ago, I called for a change to Turkeys concept of diaspora. I told them that all diasporas with roots in Anatolia including the Armenian diaspora are our diaspora too, and should be treated as such with open arms. Though many of our diplomats still mourned their friends and colleagues taken by terrorists from Asala (the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia), I am proud to say that they welcomed these instructions with enthusiasm and without any wish for revenge. They knew that we would better cherish the memories of the dead if we could bury hatred altogether.

Everybody can become partners in this, and for our own part we see clearly that unless justice is done for others it will not be done for us.

I appeal to everyone to seize this moment, and to join us to reconstruct a better future for Turkish-Armenian relations. The statement by Prime Minister Erdoğan is an unprecedented and courageous step taken in this direction. I believe now is the time to invest in this relationship. But we can only succeed if this endeavor is embraced by a wider constituency intent on reconciliation. Turkey stands ready.

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[Arpa]

Above we saw what those dogs had said.

Let us now see what that ever so loyal ottoman servant/ slave PUPPY , the so called patriarch of stan-BULL, atesh-oghlu has to say.

Why do we still have a patriarchate/patri-arse-ate? When did stanbull become an Armenian city?

No further comments and highlights by me. You be the judge.

Atesh-an ? Is he a fireworshipper/ կրակապաշտ/krakapasht. Has he nor heard that the Armenian word for fire/pyre is ԿՐԱԿ/KRAK?

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http://asbarez.com/122594/istambul-patriarch-praises-erdogans-condolences/

 

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Istambul Patriarch Praises Erdogans Condolences

Posted By Contributor On May 2, 2014 @ 11:32 am In Featured Story, Latest, News, Top Stories | No Comments

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Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan greets the head of the Armenian Patriarchate of Turkey, Archbishop Aram Ateshian, in Ankara. May 1, 2014. (Photo: Anadolu Agency)

 

ANKARA (Hurriyet Daily News)The Armenian Patriarch of Istanbul, Archbishop Aram Ateshian, on Thursday expressed optimism as he praised Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogans recent extension of condolences to the descendants of Armenians killed by the Ottoman Empire during the Armenian Genocide of World War I.

The leader of the Armenian Patriarchate in Turkey also stressed that mutual sacrifices were required to build a viable friendship and peace.

Whatever is required for friendship, both sides shall make sacrifices. I cant know what will happen. If you want to be friends, it is not just about saying I love you to that person. That is not love, love requires sacrifice. Both sides shall make sacrifices so a bridge of friendship is built, Ateshian told reporters on Thursday after a meeting with Erdogan.

He was accompanied by leading figures of the Armenian community during the meeting with the prime minister, which came days after Erdogan reiterated on April 29 a call for Armenia and Armenians living abroad to participate in research with Turkey to document what happened.

While maintaining that the time had come for the Armenian and Turkish people to come together, Ateshian said nobody should play the three monkeys by willfully ignoring the grievances experienced, in which millions of people lost their families and their homeland.

Historians estimate that 1.5 million Armenians were killed by Ottoman Turks around the time of World War I, an event widely viewed by scholars as the first genocide of the 20th century. However, Turkey denies that the deaths constituted genocide, saying the toll has been inflated and claiming that those killed were victims of civil war and general unrest.

Describing Erdogans condolence message as a watershed, Ateshian referred to the story of the dove and the olive branch, from the Biblical story of Noahs Ark.

Like the dove that the Prophet [Noah] sent, our honorable prime minister extended an olive branch. We cannot ignore it. This olive branch is a peace symbol. We dont want this branch to dry out. Now we want to plant this branch and want it to yield fruit, Ateshian said, adding that everybodys support was necessary to make this happen.

Two societies lived together in fraternity for centuries and today we are longing for those days. Our call is to both sides: Come next to each other and lay the foundation of the bridge of friendship and peace, he said.

I believe that this first step initiated by our honorable prime minister has been met with appreciation by the majority of our community. As the Patriarchate, we also regard it with appreciation, the patriarch added.

In response to questions, Ateshian said Erdogan did not disclose anything with regard to further reconciliation steps.

Ateshian said he left the meeting in happiness and hopeful for the future.

Erdogan issued a statement on April 23, offering condolences to the descendants of the Armenian Genocide, which he did not name a genocide, but simply an even in which both sides suffered losses. Armenians in the Armenian diaspora rejected the message, demanding that Turkey recognize that a genocide took place which removed Armenians from most of their homeland.

Erdogan soon after went on American television, where he denied the fact of the Armenian Genocide, asserting that a genocide could not have taken place, since there are still Armenians who live in Turkey.

We are saying, lets wipe away the tears, push prejudices to one side, and reveal historic truths in an objective manner, Erdogan said on April 29, addressing the parliamentary group of his ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP).

I hope Armenia and the Armenian diaspora recognize our courageous step and reciprocate in the same courageous manner, he said.

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