Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 hey Pilafhead,Rabis is a combination of turkish, arabic,persian,russian roots which are applied to Armenian music creating a unique and old form of music style.I hope that helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 I don't think that it is combination of other music with Armenian. But rabis is just an Armenian music style, Armenian modern music. But what annoys me is when singers put too much base and drum and make it sound as western music, even Aram Asatryan does it sometimes. The best rabis i guess is Tatul Avoyan, plus i really like Artash Asatryan (not the second album) And rabis has got nothing to do with lifestyle, it is something made, i guess, by diasporan armenians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 I am personally sick of hearing people commenting on rabis music,lifestyle,and so on.People we all have a choice.Its so simple, if you don't like it change the channel,turn the stereo off, buy your self what ever you like listening to.Some people have been so bold by mentioning some singers names and said if you listen to them you are rabis.Lets not be so OVER confident please.The fact is that we have seen rabis music in our race for a long time and guess what my fellow Armenians its going to be here for a long time also.Ask your parents what music was played at there weddings. (in Armenia) Whether you like it or not Rabis has been there.So lets all take a chill pill about this Rabis issue.Listen to what ever makes your day pass by more easily.Thank you and I would like to know your ideas on this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 Can someone please clarify exactly what "Rabis" is??? I've seen it more than once simply translated as "gangsta", but is it that simple? What makes "rabis" music different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 Mike, I'd really like to clarify that for you, but I think I may be too prejudiced to do that for you.(I think we've had a discussion on this in a different thread--one of those digressions) We could probably use our distinguished professor MJ right about now... lol...I say that with the utmost respect, Martin Artur, let me just say that I think rabiz IS more than just music, it IS a lifestyle that too many people freely (and with no shame) lead in the diaspora. Which brings me to your point, Qtromeo (I'm sure you have a name, let's hear it) about not complaining about it so much. Well, suffice it to say that the rabiz subculture is sometimes thought to be representative of a certain segment of the armenian population, which makes the likes of me furious. The rabiz culture isn't just about a few teenage boys and their music, it's about larger perceptions of our armenian culture. (and I'll have you know that "that" music was definitely not played at my parents' wedding...lol...I even asked ) Artur jan, I didn't know there was such a thing as "best rabiz"...lol Anyway, that's my two cents for nowGayane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 "Rabis", or "Rabiz" literally is an abbreviation for "Rabochie Izkustvo" - translation- "Working class art". I think the title explains everything. Although I'm very tolerant person, if I had the power I'd abolish two things in Armenian Diaspora:1. Rabis2. Political parties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 From my knowledge, I agree with both Artur and Qtromeo. Rabiz (not with an "s"), is mostly a music style that has stuck to our people very long ago. It's simply armenian music, in which are added turkish, arabic and pesian (i would not like to say russian, because Tata, who is not rabiz, has a lot of russian influence) influences. The base may be Armenian, but there are some parts of the song that are not. For example, Pilafhead, on napster, search for "Aram Asatrian-Achert (from the 2000 album)". The music is purely all armenian, we can even find parts from Aram Khachadurian's pieces. Even in "Asli kyaram" again by aram, u can find armenian parts, all though the song is purely turkish. Probably Aram did it to show off how much turkish influence there is ion our songs. Rabiz also comes from the singer's voice (tsayni khagher). I agree with Artur that Tatoul is a great example of rabiz. His voice suits the style. But for me, although I don't like him much, the best rabiz example is Uzbek. He is one of the oldest rabiz singers (in the 60s). There is a good point that u should consider: on "narek.com", Aram Asatrian used to be put under "rabis", but now he is under "popular vocal". This makes us compare his style to Tatoul's, or Armen Aloyan's. There is more turkish and arabic influence in these singers' styles than in Aram's. In Aram's, most of the music is armenian, but his voice makes the turkish influence sensible, the band and "nvakaran"ner@ are armenian too. In Armen Aloyan, the musics are almost all turkish and mostly arabic, his voice has turkish influence and the band (i don't wanna talk about). Tatoul, voice, music and band (uses a lot of clarinet).I hope these infos helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Qtromeo:I am personally sick of hearing people commenting on rabis music,lifestyle,and so on.....Thank you and I would like to know your ideas on this issue.QtRomeo,I don't know which way to go... You are protesting others' expressing of opinions on Rabiz (especially negative opinions), and then you are asking to express our opinions.Well, you asked for it... Of coarse, everybody has the right to make whatever choices he/she wants in music. Undeniable.Similarly, everybody has the right to eat fat food. But the people of good will find it necessary to warn to dthose who get carried away with fat food that it generates cholesterol, and clogs the arteries. But one can still choose to do it. And a lot of people do. But it is intolerable, when the kids, who have no adequate judgement to make free choices, are systematically fed with fat. In that case, this is not a freedom of choice, it is a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 hello,The name is Zaven,gayane jan. Wow i guess people have to be ashamed to be rabiz?Are you ashamed of what you just said????If not then think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 No, Dear Zaven, I am not ashamed (I presume you have directed your question to me.). But I will take your advice, and continue thinking about it No hard feelings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2000 Report Share Posted November 6, 2000 well mj the question was not meant for you it was meant for gayanes remarks.no hard feelings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 Gayush About me we, when we have birthsdays or something like that, we listen only Armenian music, and the music that everyone dance on is rabiz(s). About lifestyle, i guess what you mean about Rabiz lifestyle is showing off, driving cars etc. But that is just "Ponti" And popular Yerevani style: Aaaappeee, haaaay enk, cheee??? :: )))))) That part is the best to lagh on Yerevani guys... : )) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 Tata is not rabis???!!!!!! (and yes, it is with an "s", coming from the russian word "iskustvo")....lol...et meke cheink imatsel...you just blew my mind, dude--tata is not rabis...vayyyy Zaven jan, you seem like an intelligent guy, I'd suggest you concern yourself with more worthwhile things (like read a book or two) instead of arguing with the "rabis haters" (lol) I think I'll have to agree with Artur for once in that when a few of us college kids come together we invariably wind up dancing to rabis music. However, it serves solely that function for most of us. It's not art (and most music is considered as such), it's music to dance to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 Barev HAyerin , Barov tesank Zaven .Gayanchik Zavenin mi jnshi Ok lav mi kani rope jamanak unem portsem dzez nerkayatsnel te vor terist yev inchpes e tsnvel Rabiz iyo Z yerashtutyun@ Gahanchik jan qani angam es tesel kam lsel rabis te sa rabizi nor tesakna yes xabar chunem ok lav mi kani havelumner dzer kartsinknerin voronts shateri het bavakanin hamamit em , antsnenk anglereni >> Rabiz.I like to tack few moments and discus The Rabiz Issue wit your all. Lets start from the beginning, Once a pawn a time there was a country The name of this country was Soviet Armenia.The story says that the people of this country war rely talented, not only they can build churches and sky scrapers, can make instrument from a piece of apricot wood and concur the harts of the many. Many of the families have just came to Armenia from Spyurk Diaspora have returned HOME.Along with there families and belongings disport Armenians (HayrenaDarts) have brat also the part of the culture, traditions, music and the life stills of not only from the Eastern Armenia were they use to live many years a go but also the music of the country that they were coming from, Greece, Lebanon, Syria, France, Cyprus, Iran.Conditions of living in this rising country was not the best in the world, but stile just like always Armenians were building there new home, rebuilding the old and going forward in there lives and despite all this sadness Armenians can stile smile and laugh and share there lost peace of bred with you, other then the faith and the illusions of a better life this people only had their music and their songs to cherish them in the dark days. Will the hard times have passed and Armenia was prospering, the country was rising form the ruins, one after the other cultural centers war opening in every part of Armenia by the blue-shirt Komsomols, even most of the industrial fractures had there own amateur groups, most of the time after work or on the weekends anyone can join this groups perform. This is where many of the Armenians Music Starts have been found and this is where the Rabuchi Music (the music of the working man) was born. Just like in every case KGB and Soviet censor had control over this groups, on what they can sing or way they should sing, to there understanding this amateur groups should include only Proletariat or PRO Communist songs and dances, even some of the Traditional Armenian songs war band, soon after this many of the “artists” driven away or just left this clubs. But this didn’t end hear, pretty soon whole walking in any neighborhood you might hear music frame some ones back yard or se musicians playing in parks or picnics wit there friends, just some friends having fun, one was playing the bouzouki from Greek the other Oud frame Lebanon, third was playing Zurna or dhol, a guy from Istanbul was playing Tmblec, songs can be anything like Traditional Armenian DleYaman or Russian, Greek Turkish and Arabic, you can say that this was a melting pot of Armenians from allover the world, and this is were The Rabiz Music was born. It was a chins for working man to express him self. It wasn’t to long that you can see this groups singing in weddings and any parties, after all you can not have national Stars like Ruben Matevosyan or Valya Samvelyan to sing at your partyJ. Well this is haw RABIZ Music has start and many groups where rely successful, Despite the entire censor and the name-callings from “ Intelligent Armenians “ and pro Communists, many of this groups have made there way to our everyday life, this music was much closer to our harts then the songs about Stalin and Lenin. One of the groups that I know is Yerxia Sanosyans Group, 5 friends from Nor Aresh, Yerria Sanosyan Singer, Harout Kosoyan- Acordion, Abo Terezyan- clarinet, Meko- tmblekc and Hovik- Solo Guitar and second singer, This group was one of the Best at the time in Yerevan, in no time this goops have become the most popular group not only writing Armenia but in neighboring Azerbaijan and Georgia. Part of teh success was that Yerria was singing not only Armenian and Turkish, hi was translating from Turkish to Armenian and Greek to Armenian, it was not to long before “ intelligent Armenians” start hiring Yerrias group for there parties for party hefty $$$$$. Some singers have start wit Rabiz and have become a Singers who the wholly nation knows and loves, some on like Tata Simonyan who is well known and some can say the most popular and the successful modern Armenians singer, same think wit Aram Asatryan who start singing in Echmiadzin restaurants while driving his Kamaz during the day, hi has mad his way to Yerevan, has become one of the most popular singers and I think he still is. Over the years his been performing for us starting from back yards to president of Armenia. Us you can see what has start us just few friends having fun has become something that’s part of ower every days life, for many artists it has put food on their tables in the time of there needs.There is no Armenian wedding or a party with out Rabiz music, but before I forget let me add something more, new days Rabiz music is not only from Armenia or not only performed my Armenian Armenians, it has mad his way to many Daisapora Armenian Singers, like Sahag Sisilyan and Maxim are singing Rabiz songs J. So this is not only a Hayastantsy think now.A lath has changed in Armenian popular music these days, instead of dhol Zurna now most of the groups have Modern Equipment, most of the recordings are not don in some ones garage or on a old Russian real-to-real, now it’s stat of the art studios and digital processors. During the Soviet Union Rabiz music was considered us a 3rd class or amateur music, and still up to this days many of us are not taking Rabiz music seriously. Rabiz music was there when I was born it still hears and it will be hear when I’m gone..To some of us it’s only music to others way of life. A lost think I like to discus wit you and many might add some more to this is so cold Rabiz Label that we stick to anyone that’s dress or appears in public abnormally.Dear friends Rabiz music has nothing to do wit the way some one dress or talks to any one, a friend of mind will label anyone Rabiz if this s person is a bit out of normal or even their aperients looks more like liberachi. I can talk about this issue for long time but again that’s new topic ~ ~ Movses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 I don’t understand people who are intolerant toward rabis music. If they don’t like that they can just not listen to it, why are they imposing their views on others is just not understandable. A lot of them look down at rabis music, and consider it very provincial and country. Yet it’s a music, as MosJan has pointed out, that comes from people’s hearts. The thing that really amazes me is that even the people who are so diligent in their criticism of rabis music, still listen to it in many occasions. Personally I am not fond of middle eastern melodies and do not listen to that music in my car, yet I have never looked down at people’s tastes. If you look at development of rock n roll, the roots of it come from blues, which can be traced to western Africa. It’s a music that was criticized my white upper class America for many years, and was looked down, however, now days it’s considered very elite type of music (I personally like Eric Clampton’s style of blues). So my friends we can’t really criticize art (yes rabis is a form of popular art), because everyone has a different taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 Thank you Movses, I think I now understand. So each of the pieces may not be technically Armenian in origin, but the combination into the style "rabiz" is Armenian? Is that right? In other words, we may not have invented vegetables, bread and meat, but we were the first to put them together to make lahmejune? If it began decades ago, why all the discussion now??? quote:Dear friends Rabiz music has nothing to do wit the way some one dress or talks to any one. Is this maybe what is different? A style of dress and behavior has arisen that has been labeled "rabiz" that really has nothing to do with rabiz music? [This message has been edited by Pilafhead (edited November 07, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 quote:Originally posted by alpha:So my friends we can’t really criticize art (yes rabis is a form of popular art), because everyone has a different taste.Hear, Hear!!! Besides, there are enough hours in a day to listen to everything. Why limit yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 What's all this complaining about Rabbis?? Rabbis are educated men of the cloth. We hold them very high in our society. Knock off the bitching about my people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Joshua Yahudi:What's all this complaining about Rabbis?? Rabbis are educated men of the cloth. We hold them very high in our society. Knock off the bitching about my people! Joshua,The word Rabbis and the Rabbis music have nothing to do with the Rabbi - the Jewish clergyman and your people. It is an abbreviation from the Russian expression “RABochoe ISkustvo.” You are getting carried away... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2000 Report Share Posted November 7, 2000 Shalom Joshua Yahudi .Rabiz has nothing to do wit rabbis the last think we need naw is Rabiz Rabbis or Rabiz in Hebrew HAvaaaaaaa~~~~ naaaa~~~ Giiiiiii~~~~ llaaaade hima patkeratsrek TaTul@ Havanagila yerki it's just a joke / no hard fillings GayaneJan-jan-jan Tata Is RabizZ 101% Havata ! [This message has been edited by MosJan (edited November 07, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 Dear Alpha, I have to clarify my previous posting in order to avoid further misunderstanding.Yes Gayane , it is “iskustvo” and yes it is “rabochoe”. My Russian is fading away. Anyway. The phenomenon of Rabis music is not solely an Armenian phenomenon. This type of music is popular these days from Yerevan to Vienna. It has become a manifestation of the long oppressed East European subculture and in my humble opinion it has nothing to do with the word “iskustvo”. There are two main centers that generate Rabis or its Balkan equivalent “chalga” – Belgrade and Istanbul. What I hate about Rabis is not the music itself. It is a matter of taste after all, but rather the false impression that this is an Armenian music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2000 Report Share Posted November 8, 2000 quote:Originally posted by MosJan:last think we need naw is Rabiz Rabbis or Rabiz in But there are many Jewish rabiz singers already! In fact many of your Armenian singers are actually Jews:--Aram Asatryan: Real name-Aramaic Asatberg--Armen Aloyan: Real name-Harmen Aloyeen--Tatoul: Real name-Hymie GoldsteinShalom![This message has been edited by Joshua Yahudi (edited November 07, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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