TURKISH FM TO VISIT TO ARMENIA ON DEC. 12

[Yervant1]

Don't come to Armenia with preconditions, you've been told so many times which part of "no preconditions" don't you understand?

 

TURKISH FM TO VISIT TO ARMENIA ON DEC. 12

CRI ENGLISH, China
Dec 5 2013

2013-12-06 02:43:58 Xinhua Web Editor: Xing Yihang

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu announced Thursday that
he will pay a visit to Armenia on Dec. 12 in a bid to improve the
strained relations between the two countries.

Davutoglu told reporters in Ankara's Esenboga Airport that he will
participate in the meeting of the Black Sea Economic Cooperation
to be held in the Armenian capital of Yerevan during his visit to
the country.

Media has reported that Turkey has requested Switzerland's help in
resolving the conflicts between Armenia and Azerbaijan so as to repair
its own ties with Armenia.

According to a report published by Zaman daily, Davutoglu told Swiss
officials during a visit to Switzerland in mid-October that Turkey
was ready to normalize its relations with Armenia.

Davutoglu was clear, however, that Armenia should end its occupation
of Nagorno-Karabakh, which is deemed as an Azerbaijani territory.

Turkey closed its borders with Armenia after its armed forces captured
Nagorno-Karabakh in 1993.

In 2009, Turkey and Armenia signed a protocol to normalize ties but
the process was halted after the document failed to be rectified by
their respective parliaments.

http://english.cri.cn/6966/2013/12/06/2724s801896.htm

 

 

[Arpa]

Wonder if that deviloghlu will be received as a diplomat with fanfare and dignitary brass?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/FEMA_-_40322_-_Road_Closed_sign.jpg

Will he be driving in through the “open borders”?

Edited December 6, 2013 by Arpa

[Arpa]

Don't come to Armenia with preconditions, you've been told so many times which part of "no preconditions" don't you understand?

Yes Yervant, will he bring that rotten dossier of the proctocols?

And as above. Will he be driving or riding his trusty eshek?

http://www.louandpaul2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Donkey-Ride.jpg

Here he is

http://www.habibtoumi.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/MP-donkey1.jpg

Edited December 6, 2013 by Arpa

[Yervant1]

14:23 09/12/2013 » MISCELLANEOUS

Aksam: Davutoglu to propose opening Armenian-Turkish border

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu will visit Armenia with a special proposal, Turkish newspaper Aksam reported.
According to the newspaper, Davutoglu will propose Armenia to surrender 2 out of 7 regions surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh in exchange for opening the Armenian-Turkish border.
Davutolgu will visit Armenia to attend the summit of the Organization of the Black Sea Economic Cooperation (BSEC) in Yerevan on December 12.
According to Turkish media, as part of his visit, he will meet the Armenian President and Foreign Minister.

Source: Panorama.am

[Yervant1]

Not even 2 inches of land for the opening of the border!!!!!!!

[Yervant1]

11:54 09/12/2013 » POLITICS

Armenian Deputy FM: Turkish FM should visit Genocide memorial

Turkish Foreign Minister should take the chance and visit the Armenian Genocide Memorial in Yerevan to pay a tribute to the victims of that heinous crime, rather than make provocative statements prior to his visit to Yerevan, Armenian Deputy Foreign Minister Shavarsh Kocharyan said, while commenting on Ahmet Davutoglu’s latest statement on Armenian-Turkish relations and regional issues in an interview with Armenpress, Armenian Foreign Ministry said.

According to Kocharyan, Turkey can contribute to the normalization of relations with Armenia by ratifying and carrying out the Armenian-Turkish Protocols without any preconditions.
“If Turkey wishes to speed up the establishment of civilized relations between the countries of the region, it must recognize the Armenian Genocide perpetrated by the Ottoman Empire and open the Armenian-Turkish border which it closed,” Kocharyan concluded.

Source: Panorama.am

[Arpa]

Every other day we see articles, analyses and commentaries like this.

How many furlologists , political scientist are there in Armenia, and how many real politicians, by definition?

Seems like every Armen and Karapet is an expert.

Can we see their credentials?

Yes , we know they are graduates of kirov(akan) kindergarten.

Did we invent the cliché “One man, one vote”? When every other ամբակպւմ/անփակում/anpakum, never shut up pretends to be an expert.***

We have not yet heard what the President, the PM and the FM have said about it?

Or is it a State Secret?

Let me repeat. Which those two regions we are to concede are?

In no way in hell they would be the areas between Armenia and Artsakh, Kashatagh, or between Artsakh and the Iranian border.

See also this’

http://www.armenianow.com/commentary/analysis/50682/bsec_yerevan_meeting_davutoglu_mammadyarov_karabakh

EXPERTS COMMENT ON TURKISH FM'S COMING VISIT TO ARMENIA

Vestnik Kavkaza, Russia

Dec 6 2013

6 December 2013 - 7:57pm

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu is going to visit Armenia

on December 12th in order to take part in the meeting of the foreign

ministers of the Organization of Black Sea Economic Cooperation's

member states. Vestnik Kavkaza discussed the possible resumption of

the Turkish-Armenian talks concerning opening the mutual border.

The leader of the New TIme political party, Aram Karapetyan,

believes the issue may be discussed in the framework of the visit,

but underlines that no substantial progress should be expected so far.

"Neither the elites, nor the leaders of the two states are ready to

make such a big decision right now," he says.

Togrul Ismail, an associate professor at the Ankara University of

Economics and Technology, stresses that Turkey is indeed interested

in improving Turkish-Armenian relations and would be pleased to open

the state border, but the Turkish authorities insist that the issue

be resolved only if the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is settled.

No such move is possible while the state of affairs in Karabakh

remains the same, the expert underlines.

 

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What the hell does that deviloghku have to say about the Artsakh Issue. Is he the prsidink of asszerbokhhan?

Yes, he is coming with a thick documental **dossier in his ԹԱՄԲ, saddle, palan.semer pockets.

http://pictures.n3po.com/cache/Images/Donkey-saddle-halter-Wall_540.jpg

http://pictures.n3po.com/cache/Images/Donkey-saddle-halter-Wall_540.jpg

**Documents like “Armenians committed mass suicide“?

***See that stupid Book of the so called prophe t Habakkuk, In a Armenian known as ԱմբակումաՅ

http://www.armenianchurchlibrary.com/files/easternarmenianbible/Ambakum.html

[Yervant1]

ARMENIA HAS WORKED OUT ROADMAP AND PASSED TO TURKEY

The Aravot Daily informed referring to the source in the foreign
ministry that Armenia has drafted a new road map of Armenian-Turkish
normalization which has been passed to Ahmed Davutoglu ten days ago
through closed channels. Obviously Erdogan's government which has
started with the slogan "Zero problems with neighbors" and has appeared
in a "serious problems with all the neighbors" reality needs to save
its face on the international arena so it did not mind considering
seriously the roadmap put forth by Armenia in secrecy.

According to the same source, the road map has three milestones:

1. Turkey recognizes the genocide publicly, its responsibility and
repents before the Armenians worldwide:

2. Immediately opens the Armenian-Turkish border and establishes
diplomatic relations with Armenia.

3. Afterwards Turkey comes up with peacekeeping efforts and gets the
right to implement social programs to control war rhetoric, border
incidents, withdrawal of snipers and preparing publics for peace.

Apparently, during his visit to Yerevan Davutoglu will have an
opportunity to inform Edward Nalbandyan about the stance of official
Ankara on the roadmap put forth by Armenia, the newspaper reported.

14:53 10/12/2013 Story from Lragir.am News:
http://www.lragir.am/index/eng/0/politics/view/31505

[Yervant1]

NALBANDYAN DID EVERYTHING TO AVOID DAVUTOGLU

The minister of Turkey Ahmed Davutoglu tried to talk to the
Armenian foreign minister Edward Nalbandyan during one of the recent
international conferences but Nalbandyan avoided his counterpart
doing some incredible things for that.

The political scientist Richard Giragossian told the Zhoghovurd that
Davutoglu has talked to Nalbandyan but the latter was avoiding him.

Even when Davutoglu tried to come up to him in the corridor, the
foreign minister rushed into the toilet and waited there until
Davutoglu went away.

Later Davutoglu called Nalbandyan's hotel room but when the latter
heard the name "Ahmed", he said he did not want to talk and wanted
to go to sleep.

14:37 10/12/2013 Story from Lragir.am News:
http://www.lragir.am/index/eng/0/politics/view/31504

[Yervant1]

WHO IS THE AUTHOR OF ARMENIAN-TURKISH ROADMAP?

Amid the active European integration which lasted till September
3 Armenia has at last set to real politics on the relations with
Turkey and Azerbaijan. Yerevan is officially talking about territorial
claims to Turkey and does not hide its preference for the status quo
in Karabakh.

In Armenia a committee has been formed which is chaired by the
ex-prosecutor general Aghvan Hovsepyan who was to pick up all the
evidence that would enable Armenia to put forth claims to Turkey at
the highest level of the international law. In addition, the West
hinted to support Armenia's claims.

However, after September 3 Armenia's rhetoric changed. Today the
Aravot has published a roadmap that Armenia has allegedly passed to
Turkey. There is not a formal text but most probably the information
is true. The roadmap does not mention the key interest of Armenia - a
claim for compensation, including territorial. Without this point any
claim to Turkey looks like meeting their own interests. According to
the document, Turkey must recognize the genocide, open the border with
Armenia and participate in the settlement of the Karabakh conflict. In
other words, Turkey gets rid of two headaches without losses - the
genocide and borders - and officially becomes Azerbaijan's defender.

One could not have thought of anything better.

According to the newspaper, this is Armenia's initiative. However,
logically, a country that thinks about its own interest should not give
such a gift to its centennial enemy. Such proposals could originate
from Turkey. Most probably, it has passed them to the Armenian MFA
through Moscow, and Russia has "asked" Armenia to present them as
their own initiative, like in 2009.

Turkey is going to flirt, pretend as if it disagrees with these
conditions. In reality, it is going to be grateful to Russia. Such
gratefulness may cost high, a pipeline or an order of arms. Russia
will also be happy which will never allow Armenia to help Turkey's
division and become an important factor in Asia Minor.

Yesterday three traditional Armenian parties, ARF, the Ramkavar Party
and the Hnchak Party, made a joint declaration calling to activate
collection of evidence for putting forth claims to Turkey. This
statement was not a coincidence. The traditional parties have
learned that official Yerevan has refused to participate in the
international "project" of containment of Turkish expansion. This
project is implemented by the West, using the Kurdish, Armenian and
Iranian factors. They use these factors for their own interests but
their interests are in line with the interests of Armenians, Kurds
and Iranians.

Turkey has always feared the Armenian diaspora. Even official
statements by Turkish politicians note that Armenia should contain
its Diaspora. They mean the Armenian communities in the West who are
closely related to the governments of their countries which are trying
to contain Turkey, even if it requires Turkey's division.

Now after September 3 Turkey does not fear anything. Neither Russia,
nor the Russian Diaspora scare Turkey. Furthermore, now they are going
to help Turkey return to Armenia. So will the Armenian government.

Naira Hayrumyan 17:36 10/12/2013 Story from Lragir.am News:
http://www.lragir.am/index/eng/0/comments/view/31511

[Arpa]

AH!! Finally?

Above I asked what the officials in Yerevan are saying?

See #7 above.

The below site is not copiable..

See the 1,2,3 proposals, and see how our fearless leaders have presented their own pre-reconditions.

How reliable are these?

http://en.aravot.am/2013/12/10/162912/

http://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/politics/48522.html

[Yervant1]

TOMORROW HANDOVER OF KARABAKH STARTS

Tomorrow the Turkish foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu is visiting
Armenia. The Russian-Turkish-Azerbaijani press has launched a campaign
which was summarized by the Regnum.

Hence, Russia will support the opening of the Armenian-Turkish
border and its stipulation will be the handover of two territories
to Azerbaijan, and Armenia will agree if Russia with its peacekeepers
ensures that war will not start.

The plan is amazing. Everyone gets what they need: Turkey opens the
border and eliminates the Armenian issue forever, Azerbaijan gets
territories without any efforts, Russia deploys troops in Karabakh, on
the border with Iran. Armenia not only loses territories and strategic
positions but also the border with Iran, its status of a geopolitical
factor, security, the blood of people who were killed for the lands,
and many other things.

Azerbaijan is already preparing a platform for getting back
territories. The deputy prime minister of that country has announced
that the damage from the Karabakh was 300 billion dollars. In addition,
he did not rule out that Azerbaijan may cut the sum if Armenia behaves.

Baku will demand two territories as a contribution, and that will
save the face of the governments of Armenia and Azerbaijan.

Armenia will not be accepted to the Customs Union without the
settlement of the Karabakh issue. So, the Kremlin needs to have
the issue resolved by May 2014 through "peacekeeping" occupation
of Karabakh. Neither Kazakhstan, nor Belarus will agree to accept
Armenia without Azerbaijan's permission. And for the time being it
will be possible to relieve Azerbaijan with two territories.

Apparently, the U.S. deputy assistant secretary Erik Rubin talked to
Serzh Sargsyan about this. The West proposes a different format, the
OSCE, instead of the Russian-Turkish initiative. Soon Ukraine will pass
chairmanship of the OSCE to Switzerland. The deputy chairman-in-office
of the Minsk Group James Warlick has already announced that Switzerland
is a mediator of the Armenian-Turkish relations and could also mediate
the Karabakh settlement.

Will Serzh Sargsyan accept the proposal on continuation of the
OSCE-mediated negotiations or will he choose the easy way? Judging
by the accelerated pace of membership to the Customs Union, Serzh
Sargsyan will agree to return the territories, especially that official
Yerevan continues to treat the five territories as a "security belt",
not an indefeasible part of NKR as stated in the NKR constitution.

Only the people of Karabakh could resist this criminal deal to whom
the 2 regions are not just 2 square centimeters on the map, as well
as those who understand the danger of the Russian-Turkish alliance
and will not allow its strengthening.

Naira Hayrumyan 20:44 11/12/2013 Story from Lragir.am News:
http://www.lragir.am/index/eng/0/comments/view/31526

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ARMENIA-TURKEY: DAVUTOGLU LIKELY LEAVES YEREVAN 'EMPTY-HANDED' AFTER MEETING WITH NALBANDIAN

http://www.armenianow.com/news/50808/armenia_turkey_nalbandian_davutoglu_yerevan_meeting_bsec
NEWS | 13.12.13 | 12:11

Photolure

By NAIRA HAYRUMYAN
ArmeniaNow correspondent

Armenia appears to have refused to accept certain proposals on the
settlement of bilateral relations with Turkey. Turkish Foreign Minister
Ahmet Davutoglu, whose visit to Yerevan had been optimistically
announced by Turkish media, must have left the country 'empty-handed'.

Davutoglu visited Yerevan on December 12 to participate in the meeting
of the Council of Foreign Ministers of the Organization of the Black
Sea Economic Cooperation, in which during the past year Armenia has
been the chairing nation. Prior to Davutoglu's visit, Turkish media
close to the government in Ankara insisted that Armenia had allegedly
given verbal consent for withdrawal from two districts surrounding
Karabakh and ceding them to Azerbaijan in exchange for Turkey's consent
to open the now closed Turkish-Armenian border and normalize relations.

However, late in the evening on December 11, the Armenian president's
spokesman issued a statement saying that Serzh Sargsyan would not
receive the visiting Turkish foreign minister. The following day,
the Turkish minister was met at the Armenia Marriott Hotel with a
picket staged by representatives of the ARF youth organization, the
Social-Democratic Party Hnchakyan Party and the Heritage Party. The
picketers demanded that the minister of a country that committed the
Armenian Genocide immediately leave Armenia. They also held banners
calling on Turkey to admit the genocide.

Later that day, at a press conference, Armenian Foreign Minister
Edward Nalbandian clearly stated that there must be no preconditions
in the process of normalization of Armenian-Turkish relations. Thus,
he indirectly confirmed that Turkey did have preconditions.

After the bilateral meeting between the Armenian and Turkish ministers,
Nalbandian refused to talk to journalists, while Davutoglu spoke
only to Turkish journalists. According CNNTurk, Davutoglu said that
differences with Armenia remained. "We would like to see Armenia as
part of cooperation among Turkey, Georgia and Azerbaijan," he said.

He also denied that the talks concerned the Armenian withdrawal from
two Karabakh districts.

It is difficult to know what the exact response of the Armenian
side was, but apparently Turkey did not get Armenia's consent to
its proposals. Next year Turkey will have to do everything to woo
Armenia on the eve of 2015, the year marking the 100th anniversary
of the Armenian Genocide. So far Turkey has "put up for bargain"
what already belongs to Armenia - Karabakh. What will be the next item?

[Yervant1]

TURKEY DECEIVED ARMENIA BY MEANS OF ARMENIAN-TURKISH PROTOCOLS, MP SAYS

16:21 â~@¢ 13.12.13

The Republican Party of Armenia (RPA) parliamentary group member
Artak Davtyan admits that Turkey deceived Armenia by means of the
Armenian-Turkish protocols.

While on a visit to Armenia, Turkish FM Ahmet Davutoglu expected
Armenia might get involved in the regional projects. But the Armenian
authorities will not believe Turkey this time.

"Turkey has once deceived us, and if they succeed in doing it the
second time, shame on us," Davtyan told journalists on Friday.

He is sure that, as the centennial of the Armenian Genocide is nearing,
Turkey is seeking to create an impression that is it progressing to
friendship and stability in the region.

As to the reception the Turkish FM met with in Armenia, Davtyan said
that "a guest should be received in conformity with international
standards."

http://www.tert.am/en/news/2013/12/13/artak-davtyan-turkey/

[Yervant1]

Hetq.am The Road to Western Armenia Runs Through Bolis Sako Arian

 

http://hetq.am/static/news/b/2013/12/31382.jpg13:15, December 14, 2013

Ever since the end of the armed struggle that came to the fore in the mid 1970s, the overall battle for a just resolution of the Armenian Question appears to have entered a dormant stage.

That’s to say, the armed struggle set in motion by the actions of Gourgen Yanikian, which lasted till the late 1980s and beyond, with all its sacrifices, has come to a halt.

The personal acts of courage, of talking to the Turks in a language they understand, of demanding an eye for an eye, slowly faded away. Our guns fell silent.

There were many reasons for that silence, and perhaps the most important was the need to transfer the struggle to a new phase. That period gave rise to a generation for whom the battle for Artsakh was of primary importance. And, in retrospect, this was correct.

There was a new battle to be fought, and those who had proved their mettle in past battles wound up in Artsakh. And they came from all corners of the world. New pages of valor were written.

An entire experience of struggle was transferred to Artsakh. And, despite the fact that the numbers of Diaspora young people who participated was insignificant, those who went endeavored to prolong the umbilical cord of the national liberation struggle. And in this they succeeded.

What is taking place today in the Diaspora?

Today, in any real sense, there are not even any perceptible signs that the Diaspora will suddenly rise as one body and usher in a new stage of the armed struggle. Even if there are some who speak and write about such things, their actions give lie to their pronouncements.

I would say that what has been happening in the Diaspora in the last ten years has been a process to squander the mental and emotional energy of the recent past and to confine the Armenian Cause to offices and hotels.

The annual banquets, oratory, vain exercises of speech and thought… Instead, what should have derived from all of this was some force to comprehend the overall situation and to impart a renewed vigor to the backbone of the struggle being carried out by segments of western Armenians.

Hrant forged a new path

But it wasn’t the Diaspora that opened the doors to this new road. While prominent figures of the Diaspora, who had assumed positions of leadership, were busy collecting money in the various capitals of Europe and America, Hrant Dink was planting new seeds in the belly of Bolis. And this was a process not in words alone but at the cost of his life…

We all know the details. Hrant Dink was martyred. The spirit of continuing down the path he opened, of seeing a new horizon of struggle, and of carrying the torch he lit, entered into each of us.

Today, this is the path. For those who understand the weight of what happened, it is clear that the path of the struggle for the Armenian Cause now runs through Bolis.

And, doubtlessly, if the key segments of the Diaspora could get beyond their theatrical adventurism and think, just for a moment, about that sacred Cause, they must see that the continuation of the struggle begins in Bolis.

Today, going to Bolis is no longer the taboo it once was. And it is evident that, on various occasions, we are hearing the voice of Diaspora young people emanating from Bolis and Diyarbekir.

The time has passed for observations and opinions voiced from afar, for lamentation and tears.

Conversing with Turks doesn’t mean agreeing with them. Mentioning the name Turk doesn’t mean that one agrees with the Turkish political “grand scheme” or is duped by it.

In the current phase, it is only natural that certain work needs to be coordinated with those Turks for whom the word ‘genocide’ and historical truth are no longer taboo. This is a fundamental premise when the two sides, western Armenians and Turks ready to talk, start to cooperate. And all this must happen without prejudice. In addition to the Turks, we must also not forget the Kurds, with whom I am certain positive movement can result from coordinated action.

Today, and this should not sound pie in the sky, it is clear that the real ‘battlefield’ is Bolis; Turkish Armenia. It is enough to only see one side of the dream to believe that the account of the first step, the first candle and the first flame, must become the new path for us, the real path.

The fundraising will continue in the Diaspora, and no one is against collecting money or having meetings under the lights of posh hotels. All of it is necessary and vital for our existence. But what’s also important is for those in positions of leadership in the Diaspora (and my article is mainly directed to them), to understand that our struggle today has entered a new phase entitled - return to western Armenia.

As of today, there is much to do in Turkey. Sitting comfortably in the Diaspora and merely making demands every April 24 will not move us one inch closer to the lands we once inhabited.

Burning the Turkish flag has become a senseless act, for it is not accompanied by serious work. It resembles the yearly toasts, now routine, that we drink while waxing poetically about Moush and Van.

Ideological differences should not lead to clashes or tension within our ranks.

Let us not forget that Hrant Dink was neither Hntchak, Dashnak, nor Ramkavar.

Hrant explained that our differences are actually an asset. He paved a new path for us; all on his own.

All that remains is for us to embrace this path. I repeat, the struggle of our people will commence from Bolis – not Brussels, Paris, or Geneva.

These capitals are important. But I am convinced that if the flame of hope still flickers in the hearts and minds of some, they too will see this roadmap, the one laid out by Hrant, as the only viable and real path of return to western Armenia.

There is nothing more to say. Otherwise, the profound and powerful words of Gersam Aharonian, “Next Year in Van”, will have become mere rhetoric, long buried under the dust of history.

Today, the only path leading to western Armenia starts from Bolis.

[Arpa]

Once again that chairman of the farcical furkish comedy club speaks from the other end of his digestive tract. It is amazing that he did not repeat that story that Armenians are a race of lemmings who periodically commit mass migrations and suicide.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF_E10e4Bzo

 

 

 

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http://asbarez.com/117387/davutoglu-1915-armenian-deportations-%e2%80%98inhumane%e2%80%99/

 

 

Davutoglu: 1915 Armenian Deportations ‘Inhumane’

 

Foreign minister Eduard Nalbandian and Ahemt Davutoglu meet in Yerevan on Thursday

 

ISTANBUL—The “deportation” of Armenians in 1915 was inhumane, and Turkey has never supported the move, Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu said Thursday as visited Armenia, reported the Hurriyet Daily News.

 

Davutoglu was in Yerevan to attend a meeting of the Black Sea Economic Cooperation, on the sidelines of which he and Armenia’s Foreign Minsiter Eduard Nalbandian had an hour-long meeting.

 

“We are very pleased with the meeting with Nalbandian; it was candid. The primary aim is to build an environment of dialogue on a strong basis,” Davutoğlu said after the meeting, while dismissing claims that he suggested to Armenia that it withdraw from two regions in Nagorno-Karabakh.

 

Davutoğlu expressed his hope that a collective consciousness between the two countries could be created with what he called “just memory.”

 

“We say ‘just memory.’ What I mean with that we should know the facts. Then we see that Turkish-Armenian relations do not date back like German-Jewish ties. In every street, there is a common sign,” explained Davutoglu.

 

“After you discover this, then you see the deportation, which I see as a totally wrong practice done by [the Ottoman-era rulers under the Committee of Union and Progress]. It was inhumane,” Davutoglu told a group of reporters en route to Yerevan.

 

“But when you write history, taking the deportation into account, then a collective conscious was created from this side [Turkey] that Armenians betrayed their nation and deserved the deportation. We should destroy these two collective consciousnesses. We abolished this wrong consciousness in 2005, but Armenians still have it,” he told reporters.

 

“Our primary aim is not open only the Turkish-Armenian border but to form a foundation that will pave the way for a comprehensive peace,” added Davutoglu said.

 

“It has three pillars. The first one is relations between Turkey and Armenia. The second one is Azerbaijani-Armenian relations. This also includes Georgian-Abkhaz ties. The third one is relations between Turks and Armenians,” he said.

 

“If one of the pillars is crippled, it will create distress. Let’s say we opened the Armenian border gate. If a war breaks out between Armenia and Azerbaijan, then we would be forced to close it again. The hardest thing is to defrost the iceberg of the status quo. You could start a war when you trying to defrost it,” he said.

 

Davutoglu claimed that he has been meeting with members of the Armenian Diaspora during his travels to various countries, saying, however, that those meetings are not publicized “due to the fact that extremist Armenians would cause problems.

 

“In the past, talking with the diaspora has been perceived as a threat or aimed for intelligence issues. Diplomats thought, ‘What would I do?’ if it were recorded. But now it has become a duty. Since that time, whenever I go abroad I meet with the Armenian community if there is one,” announced Davutoglu, who explained that “What we realize is that if you cannot provide a basis in ties with the diaspora, that puts pressure on ties with Armenia and it becomes deadlocked.”

 

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[Yervant1]

"Inhumane" a new word for the Furkish denial, let's see how many miles they'll try to get out of this word until they utter the big word Genocide.

[Yervant1]

Armenia Thwarted 100th Anniversary


The Turkish foreign minister Davutoglu has announced that the
deportation of 1915 was wrong, noting at the same time that the
Armenian-Turkish relations do not have a past like that of the
German-Jewish relations. On the one hand, Turkey speaks about just
memory, on the other hand, it administers an obvious injustice of
memory. How come that the Armenian-Turkish relations do not have a
past like that of the German-Jewish relations?

The past of the German-Jewish relations is the genocide of the Jews,
the Holocaust. It underlies the German-Jewish relations of the past
few decades. Germany has recognized the genocide of the Jews and has
recently paid out the contribution to Israel.

By saying that deportations of 1915 were wrong Davutoglu denied the
genocide of Armenians in Ottoman Turkey. Or maybe the Turkish foreign
minister thinks it was wrong to deport, it was necessary to kill them
altogether; later there would be no Armenian Diaspora, and the
Diaspora would not have caused problems for the republic of Turkey.
Perhaps therefore Davutoglu is dissatisfied with deportation.

Despite the economic and cultural progress of the Turkish republic,
Turkey's flexibility and wiliness in diplomacy are mythical because
they are overly predictable. Turkey is always wily in the same way.
The purpose of Davutoglu's `just memory' is crisp and clear. Ankara
has launched a policy that intends to involve the Armenian government
in any negotiation framework ahead of 2015 or at least touch the world
and show how Turkey bothers itself to improve the relations with
Armenians and that there is no need to spoil everything by unnecessary
claims on the Armenian issue.

At this point Ankara needs Moscow's support. Moscow may use its
influence on the Armenian government to push Yerevan to meet with
Ankara at least. Turkey does not need much, only meetings that bring
nothing. Moscow can ensure that. In return for this Ankara may agree
to the idea of deployment of Russian peacekeepers in Artsakh. Ankara
may offer Russia its influence on Baku. This influence is not equal to
Russia's influence on Yerevan but it should be given a try.

Ankara hopes, of course, that this option will not come true. Turkey
needs to start a process that will last till May 2015. Over this
period Ankara also hopes to start another process, Western
counteraction to the plan of Russian peacekeepers. Ankara is obviously
waiting for the West to try to agree with Ankara to make sure it will
not support the Russian plan. In other words, Turkey expects to start
two parallel processes to rid of the `jubilee' pressure of the
Armenian issue and, on the other hand, boost tensions between Russia
and the West to benefit from them.

The West, namely the United States is down another road. It is trying
to involve Iran in the game and Europe keeps up with the United
States. Recently the European Parliament has decided to send a
delegation to Tehran to start negotiations. On the other hand, the
West could not discard the idea of reaching an agreement with Ankara.
Simply by involving Iran in the game the West expects that Ankara will
be more interested in reaching an agreement than the West.

Armenia is the middle link. Possibilities are big but there is no
sovereignty. Yerevan has to give up on its `jubilee' claims,
transforming this process from a political one to a purely cultural
one. In political terms, this process, a popular one a few months ago,
is now something unnecessary and disturbing because Armenia that was
going to hold the lead position has chosen Russia to be its leader.

Therefore, Turkey resorts to the old, beaten wile revealed one
thousand times, knowing very well that though everyone knows it is
clear hypocrisy it will be worn but will work this time thanks to
Armenia's inadequacy.

Hakob Badalyan
22:15 13/12/2013
Story from Lragir.am News:
http://www.lragir.am/index/eng/0/comments/view/31548

[Yervant1]

Davutoglu sought to mitigate pressure ahead of Genocide centennial

15:36 - 14.12.13


With his recent visit to Yerevan, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet
Davutoglu sought, first of all, to mitigate the pressures against his
country in the run-up to the Armenian genocide centennial, says a
historian.

`Besides, this was an appeal to the world community that by
recognizing the Armenian Genocide, they would disrupt [the
normalization of] Armenia-Turkey relations. It was also a message to
the West that Turkey is not going to relax its influence here,' Gevorg
Melkonyan, a history professor at the Yerevan State University, told a
news conference on Saturday.

The expert said that the visit was a kind of response to Russian
President Vladimir Putin, who declared, in the course of his last
week's visit to Armenia, that his country is not going to withdraw
from the South Caucasus region.

Commenting on Davutoglu's statement regarding the Armenian Genocide,
Melkonyan particularly focused on his words, saying that
`Turkish-Armenian relations do not date back like German-Jewish ties'.

`Yes, they are absolutely different from one another, hence an apology
by Turkey is not enough,' the historian added.

As for the Turkish official's characterization of the crime as an
inhumane act, Melkonyan noted that he didn't use the word Genocide in
his statement. `He didn't say he considers that a Genocide or
massacre. This is a tricky policy which means Turkey is unwilling to
admit that massacres have taken place,' Melkonyan added.

He said further that he wished the protest in Yerevan had attracted a
thicker crowd on the day of Davutoglu's visit. `I cannot say why
others didn't attend, but I hail the ARF-D's initiative,' said the
historian.


http://www.tert.am/en/news/2013/12/14/gevorg-melqonyan/

[Yervant1]

Only thing remaining is for Davutoglu to say we committed genocide - Sozcu

December 14, 2013 | 14:38

In his latest article, anti-Armenian journalist and columnist Emin
Colasan of Turkey's Sozcu nationalist daily harshly criticized Turkish
FM Ahmet Davutoglu's statements that were made en route to his visit
toArmenia.

Commenting on Davutoglu's statement, according to which, `We [i.e.,
Turkey] do not condone the deportation [of the Armenians in 1915]. It
was an inhumane act. What the Ittihadists [i.e., the Young Turks] had
done was a completely wrong action,' Colasan argued that Davutoglu
does not know history.

The Sozcu columnist attempted to persuade the readers that the
Armenians had betrayed the Ottoman state during the First World War,
and therefore the authorities were obligated to remove the Armenians
from the war zone.

`Davutoglu has not said solely one thing: `Yes, we have committed
genocide, and we apologize from the Armenians and the entire world.'
Don't be surprised if one day he would say such a thing,' Emin Colasan
wrote in sarcasm.


News from Armenia - NEWS.am

[Yervant1]

I think this guy is hallucinating!

 

TURKISH MP SAYS AKP PARTY TO RECOGNIZE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

10:05 ~U 16.12.13

A Turkish parliament member has criticized the ruling Justice and
Development Party (AKP) for an intention to recognize the Armenian
Genocide.

The Ilhas News Agency has quoted Oktay Vural as saying that the party
led by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is going to allot lands
to 200,000 Armenians.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, who visited Armenia last
week, appeared under heavy criticism.

"Instead of protecting Turkey's interests, the minister betrayed
the Turkish nation's history. The Justice and Development Party is
going to recognize the Armenian Genocide. I think the party intends
to bring 200,000 Armenians to give them lands," said the Turkish
parliament member.

It comes after the Turkish FM said in the course of his visit to
Armenia that the 1915 deportation of the Armenians from the Ottoman
Turkey was inhumane.

Armenian News - Tert.am

 

[Yervant1]

DAVUTOgLU TRIES TO MISLEAD EU AMBASSADORS BY STATEMENTS ON NORMALIZATION OF ARMENIAN- TURKISH TIES

[ Part 2.2: "Attached Text" ]

15:02, 23 December, 2013

YEREVAN, DECEMBER 23, ARMENPRESS. The Minister of Foreign Affairs of
Turkey Ahmet Davutoglu has again made meaningless statements regarding
the normalization of the Armenian-Turkish ties.

As reports "Armenpress" citing CNNTurk, the Minister of Foreign
Affairs of Turkey Ahmet Davutoglu touched upon the issue of the
Armenian-Turkish relations at the course of the meeting with the EU
Ambassadors held in Ankara. Responding the questions of the Swiss
and French Ambassadors regarding the normalization of ties between
Armenia and Turkey, Davutoglu noted that Turkey makes efforts in this
direction and that Ankara is "open for any creative idea".

Advancing the 100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide Turkey
makes attempts to convince the international community that Ankara
makes efforts for the normalization of the Armenian-Turkish
relations. Actually Turkey's steps are meant to hinder the
international recognition of the Armenian Genocide.

http://armenpress.am/eng/news/744714/davuto%C4%9Flu-tries-to-mislead-eu-amba
ssadors-by-statements-on-normalization-of-armenian-turkish-ties.html

[Yervant1]

CALLING 1915 INHUMANE HELPS TURKEY, ARMENIA

13:41 27.12.2013

Samson Ozararat, a key figure behind the scenes on reconciliation
efforts between Turkey and Armenia, said Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet
Davutoglu's statement calling 1915 deportation of Armenians inhumane
was very important. But he argued Armenia has lost confidence in
Turkey, following the failure to approve the protocols that would lead
to normalization, due to what he said was a change in Ankara's policy.

An Armenian from Turkey's central Anatolian province of Konya,
Ozararat has been one of the key figures in every effort to move
Turkey and Armenia closer in the last 20 years.

Born as a Turkish Armenian, he was expelled from Turkish citizenship.

Thereafter, he became Armenia's representative in the Organization
of the Black Sea Economic Cooperation's (BSEC) Istanbul headquarters.

Ozararat, who is now a French citizen and lives in the French city of
Nice, received a call from the Turkish Foreign Ministry two weeks ago.

He was invited to Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu's plane
to accompany him on a trip to Yerevan. The official reason for
Davutoglu's visit was to attend the BSEC summit. However, Ankara was
actually trying to test the ground to see whether there was room for
maneuvers to re-generate a new process to normalize ties with Armenia.

Ozararat said he tried to initiate occasions for dialogue between the
two countries in the past. "When there are no relations between two
countries, people like me become helpful in providing back channels of
communication. Actually no one or country has given me a duty. I have
friends and a good network in both countries that I try to mobilize
my relations with them in a positive manner to start up dialogue. I
believe every opportunity has to be seized to bring people together.

And I try to initiate such occasions," he said.

He emphasized four milestones in bringing the countries together. "We
have come a long way in discussing the conflict. However, the barriers
that put us apart tend to shift as the world changes. In the past,
there was this nationalist approach that was dominating the political
arena due to fabricated fears from Communism. Then came the time when
fears around 'Armenia will claim land (from Turkey)' were pumped.

Despite all these, there have been milestones in bringing the two
countries together.

The first one is the meeting between the Turkish far-right nationalist
leader Alparslan TurkeÅ~_ and the then Armenian President Levon
Ter-Petrosyan. Another is the conference that was planned, but could
not be held at Bogazici University. Another is the apology campaign.

Another is the football diplomacy.

(Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan and Turkish President Abdullah Gul
exchanging visits.) These were all steps that melted the ice somehow."

Ozararat said Davutoglu's statements on the way to Yerevan were
very important. Davutoglu said the forced deportation of Armenians
during Ottoman rule was unacceptable and inhumane. "Maybe it sounds
quite normal to hear this today. I knew Davutoglu's views on 1915
before from our personal conversations. However, we have never heard
similar things from an official until this day. The fact that he stated
these views publicly as the Turkish foreign minister is a huge step,
I believe. It is a part of history now," he said.

Ozararat said Armenia lost confidence in Turkey since 2009. "In the
past, the nationalist rhetoric was the barrier. Today, it is the
economic and diplomatic balances. Azerbaijan is one of the major
sources of Turkish energy needs. Moreover, Turkey understandably
has to consider the interests of Turkish businessmen who invest in
Azerbaijan. These are the reasons why Prime Minister Erdogan had to
change the policy on May 13, 2009 which he declared during his speech
at the Azerbaijan Parliament.

Since that day, Armenia's trust in Turkey was broken. Honestly, prior
to Davutoglu's trip to Yerevan this time I could not find a single
person in Armenia who favored a new start for bilateral talks. Not
a single person from the government or opposition parties. Trust is
gone," Ozararat said, adding the most important thing still is to keep
the communication channels open. "First and foremost, one has to stop
saying 'nothing happened in the past.' Thank god, this approach has
been somehow left behind in Turkey. Getting rid of this rhetoric is
part of the cure. Now we can look for ways and occasions to create
empathy from both sides. If one day, the memorial in Yerevan could
be visited...In the end, that monument is the symbolic grave for one
and a half million Ottoman Armenians. Why would a Turkish official
not visit that monument one day? Turkey's top officials have been
offering to give me my Turkish citizenship back," he said. "My dream
is to get the citizenship of both Turkey and Armenia on the same
day after normalization of relations between two countries. Maybe it
sounds like a fantasy today. But I say what if it happens..."

http://www.armradio.am/en/2013/12/27/calling-1915-inhumane-helps-turkey-armenia/

[Yervant1]

Armenian Genocide issue may become part of election campaign agenda -
Mateusz Piskorski

January 06, 2014 | 19:22

Turkey is a hostage of Azerbaijan, this is reasons that implementation
of the Armenia-Turkey protocols is unlikely, says political analyst
Mateusz Piskorski.

`I think you must not expect changes in Turkey's foreign policy in
2014. The visit of Turkish FM Ahmet Davutyoglu most likely was nothing
but Ankara's intention to show its readiness for dialogue as this was
demanded by the U.S., Turkey's ally,' Piskorski told Armenian
News-NEWS.am.

Piskorski, Director of the European Center of Geopolitical Analysis,
said in the context of presidential elections in 2014 and
parliamentary elections in 2015 in Turkey, one must not expect serious
steps aimed at thaw in relations with Yerevan.

`This refers to the Genocide recognition, too. Most likely the issue
will become a part of the agenda of the election campaign,' he
resumed.

In October 2009 Armenia and Turkey signed protocols in Zurich to
normalize diplomatic relations between the states. In 2010 the
Armenian president suspended the process due to Turkey's
non-constructive stance. Ankara set preconditions and linked the
reconciliation process to resolution of the Karabakh conflict.

http://news.am/eng/news/186320.html