aurguplu Posted December 11, 2001 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 to everyone (esp. forum moderators) what did thorny do to get herself suspended? surely i didn't see anything exceptionally offensive in her postings? i'd like to see her back. cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurguplu Posted December 11, 2001 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 quote:Originally posted by hagarag:Ali,As I would like to see Turks such as you live a long life, I suggest that you acquire a taste for the traditional diet of the Chinese and Japanese. Armenian cuisine made my father an invalid by 40 and off to the next world by 60. I am certain that pursuing the Turkish diet, which is quite similar to the Armenian, will have the same fate in store for anyone who pursues it. I suggest that you acquire a taste for the food of the Far East.dear hagarag,thank you for wishing me a long life. i wish armenians like you the same. now as far as the diet is concerned, i know the danger things like börek, baklava and most dolmas pose. thank god the cuisine is not confined to that. i enjoy the more modest vegetable dishes, and skim off as much of the oil as i can. one thing i cannot live without is pilav, unfortunately, and i love eating it with yoghurt (whole milk variety). i also have a minor problem with quantities due to an illness suffered long ago and the ensuing cortisone treatment (convenient excuse). in fact, i cannot really cut down on the quantities that much, but given some more time, i could really move more! as for far eastern food, i enjoy it greatly, but it is still quite expensive in turkey, so it does not really qualify as an everyday alternative to the local variety. we should really import some chinese community to get the prices down! same with japanese food, i like it very much (most turks in fact have a problem with raw fish) but it is even more expensive!right now i moved back to my parents' house and they are settling in bodrum (aegean coast tourist town) so i shall have the house to myself. i will make utmost use of the kitchen to develop tasty but low-calorie alternatives to traditional cuisine. by the way, i reckon i will be visiting the forum a bit less frequently over the coming few weeks until i get a few things sorted out, but the translations from vol. 2 will come soon (i hope).cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurguplu Posted December 11, 2001 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 dear hagarag, by the way, if i may ask, was armenian cuisine the main culprit in your father's early death, or was it aided by other anatolian habits such as excessive smoking and/or drinking? this, especially smoking (which i regret i do) is one of the top killers in this country. cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Ali, Yes, my father was also a heavy smoker, until his first heart attack. He was also in a very stressful work position. All of this was a "witches brew" for illness and an early death. If it were not for my mother playing the role of lifestyle police, changing his diet and stopping his smoking, he would not have survived the 20 additional years that he did. I have not visited Turkey and will not until the Armenian-Turkish rift is healed. I have travelled to Greece where you can not enter any establishment not filled with cigarette smoke. Western Europe and Israel are much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fadi Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Lets me explain you Ali... She did nothing that could justify her banning... As simple as that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted December 13, 2001 Report Share Posted December 13, 2001 quote:Originally posted by aurguplu:dear boghos, believe me it is quite a relief to hear this from an armenian, especially the last sentence!yepp i think you are right. but the thing is1) it looks like the usa has plans for this region, and forthis reason it has to solve the existing conflicts. of course, the two conflicts that catch the limelight are the israeli-palestinian and the cypriot ones, with the turkish-armenian (and azeri-armenian) ones lagging behind but still there. 2) the armenian issue has been brought forward so many times and so many turks have been exposed to it that the fact that whatever happened to the armenians differs profoundly from the official story is an open secret by now. of course if turkey was in better shape it would have been so much easier to extract the recognition officially.if ozal were alive today we would have recognised it long ago. we would also have solved the cyprus issue, and the eu would be forced to look for other excuses to keep us out. anyway, we will see these things resolved in our lifetime.cheers,I hope I did not come across as a pessimist. There are very few things I would like to see more than Armenia and Turkey making peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) Since this thread there have been many others dealing the subject, many with great nostalgia.The above, highly intellecual list was interrupted so many times by the likes PIMA** hagarag/khoja, that I decided to edit it to its original alphabetical sequence with no interruptions.I miss Ali Suat aka Aurguplu, one of our most intelligent members.**If you wonder what PIMA means, the first letter P stands for “pain”.---None of us, at no time, anywhere has compiled such a complete list.---OTTOMAN ARMENIANS OF NOTE A Abdullah, Kevork (Istanbul, 1839-2nd April 1918). One of the famous photographers of Istanbul.Abroyan, Sahak (İzmir, 15th September 1823-Istanbul 8th August 1900). Statesman, translator.Adruni, Bedros (Istanbul 1883-1944). Educator, writer.Agop, Güllü (orig. name Agop Vartovyan) (Istanbul, 1840-1902). Actor, screenwriter.Agathon, Krikor (Hasköy, Istanbul, 4th July 1925-Paris 27th April 1868). General Director of the Post Office and Minister of Works, first Christian Minister of the Ottoman Empire.Apraham (Ankara, 15th Century). An eyewitness to the siege and conquest of Constantinople. Famous for his 98-quatrain elegy of the Conquest.Arabyan (Hovhannesyan) Boğos (Eğin 1742-Istanbul 1835). Printer, publisher. Aramyan, Canik (İzmir 1820-Istanbul 16th April 1879). Privy Printing Press emin. Fontmaker, artist and intellectual.Asadur, Hrand (Istanbul 1862-5th June 1928). Writer, lawyer.Atamyan, Bedros (Istanbul 21th December 1849-4th June 1891) theatre actor, painter (illustrator), writer.Aznavur, Hovsep (1853 or 21st May 1854-Cairo 15th May 1935). Architect. B Balyan, Agop (Istanbul 1837-Paris 1875) Imperial Architect.Balyan, Drtad (Talas, Kayseri 1850-Athens 2nd July 1923). Ethnographer, cleric.Balyan, Garabet Amira (Istanbul, 1800-1866). Imperial Architect.Balyan, Krikor Amira (Istanbul 1764-1851). Imperial Architect.Balyan, Nikoğos (Istanbul 1826-1858). Balyan, Sarkis (Istanbul 17th February 1831-7th November 1899). Imperial Architect and Chief Architect of theState.Baron (Baronak) (Istanbul 1834-1900) (Armenian pronunciation Parunak). Luthier.Baronder, Krikor (Gandhza ? - Jerusalem 1645). Patriarch of Jerusalem.Baronyan, Hagop (Edirne (Adrianapolis) 1842-Istanbul 1891). Humorist, journalist.Berberyan, Avedis (Istanbul 1798-1870). Historian and teacher.Berberyan, Nişan G. (Istanbul 1842-1907). Printer, cliché-maker, painter (illustrator) and caricaturist.Bezciyan, Harutyun (Istanbul 10th April 1771-3rd June 1834). Emin of the Imperial Mint, philanthropist, advisor to Sultan Mahmud II.Binemeciyan, Eliza (Istanbul 1890-Toronto, Canada 1981). Theatre actress. C Celalyan, Hovsep (Istanbul 1870/74?-27th June 1936). Chemist, writer. Ç Çerçyan, Hamparsum (Istanbul 19th September 1828-Izmid 5th June 1901). Musician.Çulhacıyan, Dikran (Istanbul 1837-İzmir 10th March 1898). Operetta composer.Çulhayan, Krikor (Istanbul 1868-28th February 1938). Musician, composer. D Dadyan, Boğos (Istanbul 1800-Paris 19th November 1863). Chief Gunner (gunpowder-maker), philanthropist.Dadyan, Harutyun (Istanbul 5th April 1830-7th October 1901). Minister.Dadyan, Hovhannes (Istanbul 14th February 1798-18th April 1869) Chief Gunner (gunpowder-maker), philanthropist, inventor.Der Hovhannesyan, Kevork (Istanbul 1737-23rd November 1811). Historian, writer, linguist, translator. Deveciyan, Karekin (Harput (Kharpert), Elazığ (Mamuretulaziz) 18th February 1867-Istanbul 8th January 1964). Central Director of Istanbul Fishery (Balıkhane), author.D'Ohsson, Ignatius Mouradgea (Istanbul 31st July 1740-Paris 27th August 1807). Swedish ambassador of Armenian origin, writer.Düzyan, Garabed (ıstanbul 28th July 1779-27th November 1855). Chief Jeweller.Düzyan, Hagop (Istanbul 3rd January 1793-Vicenza, Italy 4th July 1847). Chief Jeweller and Emin of the Imperial Mint.Düzyan, Hovhannes (Istanbul 24th April 1749-9th April 1812). Chief Jeweller and Emin of the Imperial Mint.Düzyan, Mihayel (Istanbul 14th January 1724-13rd August 1783). Privy Jeweller.Düzyan, Sarkis (Istanbul 15th October 1777-2nd October 1819). Chief Jeweller. F Fasulyacıyan, Tovmas (Istanbul 25th July 1843-Alexandria 23rd September 1891). Theatre actor.Felekyan, Mari Heranuş (Tahran 1875-Istanbul 1936). Theatre actress.Feruhan Kurtikyan, Parunak (Istanbul 18th October 1824-15th June 1869). Doctor and writer. G Garabedyan, Bedros Zeki (Istanbul 4th September 1871-December 1937). Secretary General of the State Şura.Gugasyan, Nişan (Istanbul 1848-6th January 1918). Chemistry and Pharmacology Teacher at the Imperial Faculty of Medicine.Gurdikyan, Isdepan (Brussia 1865-Istanbul 1948). Linguist, translator, teacher. H Handanyan, Hagop (Diyarbekir 1834-Istanbul 30th October 1899). Doctor and writer.Hanne, Hovhannes (Jerusalem ?-12th June 1733). Cleric, historian, painter, poet.Holosyan, Kevork (Istanbul 1858-22nd May 1907). Theatre actor.Hovagim I (?-Istanbul 1477). First Armenian Patriarch of Istanbul.Hovhannes IX (Golod) (Bitlis 1678-Istanbul 12th February 1741). Armenian Patriarch, educator, intellectual.Hrimyan, Mıgırdiç (Van 4th April 1820-Echmiadzin 29th October 1907). Armenian Patriarch, educator, journalist, writer. K Kalfayan, Sırpuhi (Ist. 17th Feb. 1822-21st July 1889). Nun, founder of the Kalfayan Nun Society and Orphanage. Karakahya, Apraham (Ist. 1833-1918) Minister, Member of State Council (also known with surname Yeremyan). Karakoç, Sarkis (Ist. 1st Sept. 1865 - 8th March 1944). Jurist. Kazazyan, Agop (Ist. 1831/33-7th Sept. 1891). Minister of Privy Treasury. Koçyan, Püzant (Ist. 8th August 1859-3/29 June 1927). Journalist, linguist, educator. Kelekyan, Diran (Kayseri 20th Sept. 1862-near sivas 1915). Journalist, linguist, educator. Kevork (18th century) tilemaker. Koçunyan, Misak (Aleppo 16th Sept. 1863-Ist. 18th May 1913). Journalist, writer. Kömürciyan, Krikor (Ist. 6th March 1868-9th Feb. 1958). Educator, college textbook writer. Kömürciyan, Yeremya Çelebi (Ist. 13th May 1637-15th July 1695). Historian, poet, translator and printer. L Labcinciyan, Teotik (Ist. 5th March 1873-Paris 24th May 1928). Researcher, writer. Limoncuyan, Hamparsum (Ist. 1768-29th June 1839). Composer, inventor of notation, music instructor, chief singer, violinist, tambur player. M Mardikyan, Oskan (Erzincan 1867-22nd Feb. 1920). Theatre actor and regisseur. Mihran Efendi (kayseri 1855-?-?) Newspaper owner and manager. Minasyan, Artin (Kütahya, 19th-20th Cent.) Tilemaker. Minasyan, Hacı Karabet (Kütahya, 19th-20th Cent.) Tilemaker. Miricanyan, Şnork Mgrdiç (Ist. 1742-5th Feb 1800). Palace jeweller, goldsmith, founder of first community school. Mühendisyan, Hovhannes (Ist. 21st Feb. 1810-18th Nov 1891) Privy Print Emin, fontmaker, jeweller. N Nalyan, Hagop (Divriği 1706-Ist. 19th July 1764) Armenian patriarch, poet. Nikoğos Ağa (Melkonyan) (Ist. 1836-9th Sept. 1885). Composer, singer, tambur player and music instructor. Noradunkyan, Kapriel (Ist. 1852-Paris 1936) Statesman. Nurican, Hovsep (Ist. 1828-1898) Doctor and writer. O Odyan, Krikor (Ist. 9th Dec. 1834-Paris 6th Aug 1887) State official, Member of State Council. Ohannesyan, David (Kütahya, 1883-Beyrut 1953). Tilemaker. Ormanyan, Mağakya (Ist. 23th Feb. 1841-19th Nov. 1918). Armenian patriarch & intellectual. Oskan, Yervant (Ist. 1855-9th July 1914) Painter, sculptor, archaeologist. P Pokuzyan, Zakarya (Kağızman, Kars 1719-Ist. 11th March 1799). Armenian patriarch. Portakal, Mikayel (Ist. 1842-6/18 Nov 1897). Statesman, economist and researcher. R Refail (?-Ist 1780). Privy painter of Armenian origin. Rusinyan, Nahabed (Efkere, Kayseri 23 Sept 1819-Ist 29th Feb 1876). Doctor, poet, writer and translator. S Sarraf-Hovhannesyan, Sarkis (Ist. 1740?-7 March 1805). Histrian and educator. Saralanyants, Dikran (İzmir, Feb 1821-17 Jan 1901). Photographer. Sebah, Pascal (Ist. 1823-25 June 1886). Photographer (half Catholic Assyrian-half Armenian). Seropyan, Hagopos (Balat 1780-Jerusalem 6th Nov. 1862). Patriarch. Serveryan, Hovhannes (Kayseri 1786-Ist. 24th June 1858). Privy architect. Sırvantsdyants, Karekin (van 12th Dec. 1840-Ist. 17th Nov 1892). Ethnographer, cleric. Soğomonyan, Gomidas (Kütahya 26th Sept. 1869-Paris 21/22 Oct. 1935). Ş Şen, Bimen (Brussia 1873-Ist. 26 Aug. 1943). Composer, singer. Şığtagayir, Krikor (Şirvan, Bitlis 1670-Jerusalem 12th Feb. 1749). T Taranağlı, Krikor (Kemah, 1576-Tekirdağ Sept. 1643). Tarkulyan, Boğos (?-Ist 1940) Photographer. Taşçıyan, Nikoğayos (Ist. 1841-9th Sept. 1885). Musicologist, composer, educator. Tatyos Efendi (Ist. 1858-16th March 1913). Composer, violinist and kanun player. Terziyan, Tovmas (Ist. 21st Oct. 1840-8th Feb. 1909). Tıngır, Andon Yaver (Ist. 1812-1908) Member of State Council. Tıngıryan, Bedros (Ist. 3rd Sept. 1799-Buca, İzmir 1881). Linguist and cleric. Torkomyan, Vahram (Ist 20th April 1858-Paris 12th August 1942). V Varjabedyan, Nerses (Ist. 28 Jan 1837-26 Oct. 1884) Archbishop, Arm. patriarch, educator. Viçenyan, Serope (Ist. 22 Nov. 1815-2 Oct 1897). Doctor, member of teaching staff. Y Yeremyan, Seğpos (Eğin 1680-90-Ist 5 Feb 1754). Merchant, dragoman to the English embassy in Istanbul. Z Zilciyan, Kerope (Ist. 1829-23 March 1910). Cymbalist. Zohrab, Krikor (Ist 1861-Urfa 1915). Jurist, writer, politician. Edited March 4, 2011 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Kiffer Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Thank you dear Arpa for this list, it will be very usefull when we reply to Turks. Many of them don't know their history;they don't know we had so many famous people.Most of them are dead or have been massacred ;Each on should have a memorial. They made us proud to be Armenians. Now some of them know what happened really in 1915-1917, but many don't know much;they should ask why there are so many survivors'children all over the world.They say we are lieing. They say the Armenians killed the Turks. So in France we are tired of explaining what happened. We are tired of their liesSo we have decided to protest on march 12th before the Senators, and ask a law to penalize the negationism of all gencides. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I am sorry I have not been able to write since a long time as I had an accident, my shoulder fractured; I am still typing with my left hand.I never forgot you.Louise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) Thank you dear Arpa for this list, it will be very usefull when we reply to Turks. Many of them don't know their history---I am sorry I have not been able to write since a long time as I had an accident, my shoulder fractured; I am still typing with my left hand.I never forgot you.LouiseChere Madame, Sweet Lady. It is so good to see you again!!!Left hand, right hand? Who said one is superior to the other? As in "dextera" means "right/correct" and "sinistra/left" means "evil/sinister"?!!Kill all those "sinister" priests and nuns who would break the hand of the sinister-left-handed. And they still do.We remember when Jesus ascended to heaven he sat to the "right" of God. Edited March 11, 2011 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Kiffer Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 left and right, in religion, are prejudice. In politics too,there is left and right, one is not much better than the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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