Guest Posted June 29, 2000 Report Share Posted June 29, 2000 " Our ability to control the natural process of reproduction is of paramount importance. It is only through this most private right may Women achieve economical, social, and political equality in our society. " Each year, more than 50% of all pregnancies among American women are unintended. About half of these unplanned pregnancies, 1.5 million each year, are ended by abortion. There are many myths and misconceptions about who gets abortions, and why. The fact is that the women who have abortions come from all racial, ethnic, socioeconomic, and religious backgrounds. If current rates continue, it is estimated that nearly half of all women of reproductive age in America today will have had an abortion by the time they reach the age of 451. yete k@tsankanak karor enk pakel iys Teman . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2000 Report Share Posted June 30, 2000 Yerevi aveli lav klini pakenq Te che eli "kash" a gnalu ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2000 Report Share Posted June 30, 2000 tesnenk 24 jam antsela der dzen dzun chka Xararutyun amenetsun . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2000 Report Share Posted June 30, 2000 Dzen-dzun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2000 Report Share Posted June 30, 2000 dzen dzunek uzum?? While I believe in the woman's right to choose (established in the US by Roe vs. Wade, 1972), I would personally never choose to abort a child. While legally my right, it would not be my choice and I would encourage anyone else not to abort, either. That's a conservative opinion for you..didn't think I was capable of saying that, did you?..lol gayane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2000 Report Share Posted June 30, 2000 Oops, typo...the decision was handed down in 1973 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2000 Report Share Posted June 30, 2000 Jeez, Berj, why the sarcasm?...hechel shnorhakal mi exi, I was only trying to explain my point of view I'm sorry if I came across in a weird way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2000 Report Share Posted June 30, 2000 es dzen dzun cherav ( es paterazmi hota galsi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 1, 2000 Report Share Posted July 1, 2000 Vaaay, Gayane jan, Enqan mersi vor erekhud ches spani, ches patkeracni ishqan shnorhakal em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 2, 2000 Report Share Posted July 2, 2000 yes chem paterazmum, yes miayn vitsumem..lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 2, 2000 Report Share Posted July 2, 2000 Inchpes asel e hrchakavor Panikovskin:"Shura, miayn paterazm!". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 2, 2000 Report Share Posted July 2, 2000 quote:Originally posted by Berj:Inchpes asel e hrchakavor Panikovskin:"Shura, miayn paterazm!". "Kamusnanam !!! Voske atamner kdnem !!!"He he he he he he he he ...(Knereq, sheghman hamar) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 4, 2000 Report Share Posted July 4, 2000 I don't support abortion!I think it's equal to a murder and it's horrible!If you don't want to get pregnant, there's a lot of stuff to prevent it!! If you think that that won't work, there's a way that always works - DON'T HAVE *** AT ALL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2000 Report Share Posted July 9, 2000 ARMENIAN WRITERS AGAINST FAMILY PLANNING YEREVAN, JULY 7, ARMENPRESS:The opposition to a Family Planning Program launched by US John Hopkins University in Armenia in 1997 is mounting day by day. Following a recent sharp criticism of the program expressed by the Armenian Women Writers, the men writers were the next to raise their protesting voice on Thursday during a meeting with senior officials of the Armenian health ministry. The health ministry officials were supposed to explain to the writers, journalists what family planning meant but they found little understanding. According to deputy health minister Artak Zeynalian, the main objective of the program is the reduction of the number of artificial abortions and venereal diseases through raising of the people's awareness of contraceptives. "This is the short-term objective of the program, the long -term objective is to reduce the number of maternal deaths," he said. However, the writers did not seem to agree with the deputy minister. "You are trying to convince us that the abortions in Armenia are made as they used to be done a hundred years ago," said indignantly one of them. The other said that the Program's goal was a threat to Armenian families. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2000 Report Share Posted July 9, 2000 I had promissed to myself not to comment on the topic ... but what the hell, I feel the need to stir some nerves The subject of abortion is two-fold. There are those who are in dier need of an abortion (i.e. rape victims who have been inpregnated) and should not be denied this right. Then there are those who use abortion as a contreceptive (this includes many armenian women). The second group is the reason the issue of abortion is such a hot topic in politics. Something needs to be done. Some measures need to be taken to insure people are not abusing the act of abortion. But is it really that easy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 12, 2000 Report Share Posted July 12, 2000 No, sulamik, it's not that easy... I think the main hindrance is the lack of receptiveness among women (especially some armenian women) to the efforts to educate them about everything involved in the issue, including contraception. This is precisely why I find the ArmenPress report so disturbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2000 Report Share Posted August 29, 2000 I think this is a very difficult issue. I can relate to the arguments in both sides. My formula is to promote the idea of abortion being a killing beyond the embryonic period, and under any scenario leaving the discussions and decisions to the women. I think men should not have a say in this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2000 Report Share Posted August 30, 2000 I share the same opinion as MJ. I would like to add that the state should promote all conttaception methods and intensively educate the population on this issue. Abortion can be justified, but it is a tremendous suffering for women. If we can avoid it, all the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2000 Report Share Posted August 30, 2000 MJ, I disagree; vehemently. I think men should indeed have a say in this issue. The decision to conceive a child is made by both (sometimes indirectly in the absence of contraception, but still). The decision to keep and raise that child (or not) should be made by both parties as well. I think feminists make a grave mistake in excluding men from the discussion on womens' issues. We need our men for so much, especially in situations like that. Boghos, I would hope that the abortion of the child would cause suffering not only to the woman, but to the man as well!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2000 Report Share Posted August 30, 2000 Gayane, I never said that men do not suffer. But abortion, simply as a surgical procedure is already painful, and of course the psychological scars are much deeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 31, 2000 Report Share Posted August 31, 2000 I, like Boghos, think that while both man and woman have to discuss the issue together and try to come to a decision together, in case the woman decides to terminate the pregnancy, the man has no right to insist on the contrary. After all, it is the woman's body, health and life at risk, if something goes wrong. I also agree that the type of decision that we - men have to submit to, may be pshchologically very burdensome for us too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 Many Campuses Won't Offer Abortion Pill Tuesday, October 24, 2000 By Kris Osborn In the weeks before the newly approved abortion pill hits the shelves, a growing list of colleges and universities are announcing that their health centers will not prescribe the drug. Largely citing logistical reasons, such as the lack of the medical facilities required by the FDA to administer the pill, Emory University, The University of Georgia at Athens, Boston University, and the entire Florida public university system say they will not offer the drug at their campus health centers. And although most universities do not perform abortions, many other schools are wrestling with the issue of whether a university should prescribe the pill commonly known as RU-486 but to be sold as Mifeprex. In some instances, universities have not based their decision solely on the availability of sufficient medical equipment. Florida Atlantic University health chief Cathie Wallace said the school's choice not to offer the "abortion pill" is because the drug is "abortion...not contraception." But regardless of the reasons given by university administrators, the decision to keep the drug off so many campuses has prompted strong reactions from both sides of the abortion debate. Mary-Ellen Mitchell, a counselor at the Feminist Women's Health Center in Atlanta, said she is an ardent supporter of RU-486. Universities have a responsibility to women to offer the pill, she said. "An unplanned pregnancy is something that very much affects college campuses, and universities need to be in a position to deal with that," Mitchell said. Georgia Right to Life director Gen Wilson rejects that idea. "I'm so strong on my stance on RU-486, I don't care if it's a state-run school or private one, they don't have any business handing it out," she said. Any use of the abortion pill is likely to numb young women to the severity of what's actually taking place in their bodies, Wilson said. And what is taking place inside them amounts to murder, she said. "You have a living human being. You go to the doctor, you take a pill. You go back and take another pill, you no longer have a living being inside of you," she said. Food and Drug Administration guidelines specify that any use of the drug must involve doctors with specialized training in gynecology and obstetrics, and any facility offering it must be able to provide surgical back-up in the event of complications. In some cases, this ability to provide surgical back-up could be satisfied if a college health center is close enough to a hospital or surgical facility. Still, experts in the field point out that risks associated with RU-486 are nothing to dismiss lightly. "Nausea, headaches, and serious bleeding" can happen when a woman takes the abortion pill, certified nurse-practitioner Diann Kayah said. Any use of RU-486 requires a minimum of three clinic or hospital visits. As colleges and universities forge the policies that will govern the use of the abortion pill on campus, opposing political sides have seized the issue as an occasion to renew the arguments at the heart of the abortion debate. Pro-choice activists argue that RU-486 should be made widely accessible, because that would afford college-age women the option of a more private, non-invasive abortion. The Feminist Health Center's Janelle Yamarick wants the use of the drug to be supported by universities, calling it "a better medical option for some women." Pro-life activists like Wilson say drug-induced abortion has serious health and safety risks for women, so offering RU-486 to young women sends them the wrong message. "If we communicate to young women that this is a quick, easy solution, then it makes them more vulnerable," Wilson said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 quote:Originally posted by MJ:I, like Boghos, think that while both man and woman have to discuss the issue together and try to come to a decision together, in case the woman decides to terminate the pregnancy, the man has no right to insist on the contrary. After all, it is the woman's body, health and life at risk, if something goes wrong.I'm with you two on this. Women go through everything in a pregnancy, while men just spectate. And once a child is born, 99 times out of 100, the woman is the primary (and maybe sole) care giver.I think on Day 1 it is not murder and on Day 270 it is murder. This is right in line with MJ's comments regarding the "embryonic period". If science cannot determine at one point it goes from one to the other, religious institutions should not try to impose their views.I knew once the religion thread was started this one was going to follow.[This message has been edited by Pilafhead (edited October 25, 2000).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 quote:Originally posted by MJ:I somewhat disagree with you on the subject of the length of the embryonic period.No, I'm not saying that the embryonic period is 270 days. I'm saying that on the first day of pregnancy is one extreme and on the last day is the other extreme.That is, it gradually goes from not being a human being, to being one. I think this is the same as your views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 I got it, now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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