khodja Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 The pictures of Prince William at his great-grandmother's funeral reveal that as he matures, he shows increasingly Armenian features. His brother, in contrast, is pure Scotch/German. Amazing how these limited Armenian genes from his mother shine through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted April 9, 2002 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 Soon Turkish government will be claiming that heir to British throne is part Turkish, just like "Turkish" church in the middle of Lake Van and "Turkish" architect who designed the most magnificent mosque in Istambul. Turks tout about all the prominent Armenians after reforms of 1864, but never speak of what happened to these people or their progeny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurguplu Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 quote:Originally posted by hagarag:Soon Turkish government will be claiming that heir to British throne is part Turkish, just like "Turkish" church in the middle of Lake Van and "Turkish" architect who designed the most magnificent mosque in Istambul. Turks tout about all the prominent Armenians after reforms of 1864, but never speak of what happened to these people or their progeny.hagarag, with all due respect (if you are referring to sinan), the architect in question was most probably not an armenian but a greek from ağırnas/bünyan/kayseri. that's what he wrote of himself in his "tezkiretül bünyan". true, there is popular folk memory that he was armenian, but available documents cast doubt on that (he may have been an armenian affiliated to the greek orthodox church, though). but all things aside, he was clearly an ottoman muslim and his two mosques (süleymaniye and selimiye) bear testimony to this. i live in the city, and i have seen both ayasofya and süleymaniye, and also selimiye in edirne, and they look different (at least inside). this nonsense about "turkish churches" will not be taken seriously by most turks anyway. idiocy is not a criminal offense, is it? cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted April 10, 2002 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Ali, While the Armenian Moslems of the Black Sea coast are being discussed more often lately, the Hai-Horoms, Armenians who belong to the Greek Orthodox Church, are almost never mentioned. While the question of Sinan's background is in question, I believe that it is established that Sultan Abdul Hamid's mother was an Armenian. Will the true Armenian historical presence ever be resurrected in Turkey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 quote:Originally posted by aurguplu: with all due respect (if you are referring to sinan), the architect in question was most probably not an armenian but a greek from ağırnas/bünyan/kayseri. that's what he wrote of himself in his "tezkiretül bünyan". true, there is popular folk memory that he was armenian, but available documents cast doubt on that (he may have been an armenian affiliated to the greek orthodox church, though). I don't have the information to hand - but I have read that there are specific documents that suggest he WAS Armenian, including letters by him to Armenians in his home village, and letters written to the Ottoman court intervening on behalf of Armenians in that district. But regarding your Bünyan village, I passed through this place a couple of years ago (I just saw it briefly from the bus window) - and thought I noticed a monument to Sinan in the village, which puzzled me because I have also met someone who specifically went to visit the village now called Mimarsinan near Kayseri because Sinan was said to have been born and lived there. So, which is the correct village? Steve PS Regarding "Turkish churches" - the imam of the new mosque now installed inside the 10th century Kars cathedral/Apostles church says, in all seriousness aparently, that it was built by "Christian Turks"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 quote:Originally posted by hagarag:the Hai-Horoms, Armenians who belong to the Greek Orthodox Church, are almost never mentioned.What about Greeks who spoke Armenian and worshipped in Armenian churches? They are noted by some travellers in the Egin/Kemaliye region. Has anyone more info? Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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