Arpa Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 As the T urkish crescent is turning into "blue cheese" watch the Kurdish Star rise.Also note reference to Armenia-ns.Is Armenia ready or once again we will leave our dsetiny to others?Remember Kurds, Turks and Iraqis belong to the same cult of Allah. http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?p...d=1048313064953 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 Kurdish "star" is at best a mirage in the desert. A locust doesn't know what a star is. It just devours the crops and moves on; doesn't know what "harvest" means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted March 24, 2003 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Stormy:Kurdish "star" is at best a mirage in the desert. A locust doesn't know what a star is. It just devours the crops and moves on; doesn't know what "harvest" means.You are so right Mrrkot!!!No one knows better than us what kind of a "locust" the Kurd is. We also know that they are the world's worst parasitic leaches. Read Raffi, with special emphasis on his "Khend".Read my original post above and pay special attention to the paragraph where it alludes to the Kurds' confused iedentity, ethnos v religion. The kurds may be the world's most confused lot, only, perhaps bested by ... you know who.Survey the map below.Aramazt be praised! They come so close, yet they come short of claiming Yerevan. Shall we sleep while the Kurds are on their way to gain autonomy. It will happen sooner that ever anticipated before. Shall we wake up one day and face the Kurd when surveying Ararat and Ani? Kurdistanhttp://www.krysstal.com/democracy_turkey_k..._kurdistan.html Or shall we resurrect Khrimian Hairik to deliver his famous sermon about... Toughte Sherep? The Khrmian Hairik Ladle (17) deftly alludes to a comment the then Katoghikos Khrmian (r.1883-1907) made after returning from the 1878 Berlin Conference following the defeat of Ottoman Turkey by Russia. During the conference the World Powers first gave, then led by Bismarck, took away independence of Armenia and other ethnic groups in Anatolia while Bulgaria and Hungary were allowed to form republics. "It's ironic," the Khrmian Hairik said "they gave us a big pot of porridge, and all the big groups took out their ladles and (made a country). But all I had was a ladle made from paper (the original agreement by the world powers giving independence to Armenia). How could I take my portion with a paper ladle?"The memorial is of a large eagle guarding a ladle made from stone. Pure spring water gushes from the ladle, a symbol of life to all who will partake. Or maybe we would rather wait for the Turk, the Kurd, the Jew or any other damn gentile do it for us!! Do we have an ladle made of iron and steel?Why not? http://www.tacentral.com/echmiadzin/efs-st...?category_id=15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted March 25, 2003 Report Share Posted March 25, 2003 That's right. Those maps illustrate only the shadow of the cloud of locusts that black out the sun.I've read Khent. I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph parikian Posted March 26, 2003 Report Share Posted March 26, 2003 And now after Turkey gave the United States the SHAFT what do you think the response should be .I dont think the Kurds can turn their backs to Turkey by moving south and letting the turks invade their teritory , i think the northern front is history , now the Kurds with hundred thousend strong army equipt by the united states is going to give turkey the bigest headache so far .Now i am starting to aderstand why france did not want to join the war , Iraq is like quicksand , you step in it and the more you move the more you sink . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph parikian Posted March 26, 2003 Report Share Posted March 26, 2003 One more thing defence secritery Ramsfield said that 70,000 troops was enough to tople saddam husein .Why the Iraqis did not meet the amercans with flowers , because after 12 years of starving them they could not aford bying flowers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph parikian Posted March 26, 2003 Report Share Posted March 26, 2003 http://krysstal.com/democracy_mideast.html And you tell me why they dont like the United States and Britain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted March 26, 2003 Report Share Posted March 26, 2003 Turkey and the KurdsFrom Mr Tom Sackville Sir, I visited Turkey as Home Office Minister in 1997 aware of its record of appalling cruelty to Armenians, Kurds and other minorities. I knew that 80 per cent of heroin reaching Britain was processed within its borders. What became clear during my visit was that there was no part of its Government with which we could share anti-drug intelligence without word reaching the traffickers. After the last Gulf War, we went to great lengths to establish safe havens to protect the Iraqi Kurds from Saddam. This time, there is a grave danger we shall have to save the same six million people, who now enjoy relative freedom for the first time in many years, from invasion by Turkey. The Cold War is over: far from needing to continue buying Turkish co-operation, the next few days may see the need to rapidly alter our view of them as allies. Yours sincerely,TOM SACKVILLE,46 Grosvenor Gardens, SW1W 0EB. tomsackville26@hotmail.com March 24. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,59...-622857,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Why is it that every time there is news about Kurdish armed action Armenia is always implicated? Is Turkey looking for an excuse to invade Northern Iraq and Armenia.?They also implicate Iran. Would it not be interesrting if they were to mess with them? http://www.kurdmedia.com/news.asp?id=5200 Kurdish rebels rearm, infiltrate Turkey from Iraq: report 04/07/2004 AFP ANKARA, July 4 (AFP) - 15h15 - Turkish Kurd rebels hiding in northern Iraq are rearming and 1,500 of them have crossed into Turkey to engage in violence, CNN-Turk television said Sunday, citing an intelligence report. According to the report, the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), known also as KONGRA-GEL, had purchased weapons worth 1.7 million dollars from unknown sources in Iraq, Iran and Armenia in the past year and had intensified military training for members in camps in northern Iraq, CNN-Turk said on its web site. The increased activity was thought to be a prepartion for a possibile military operation against the group by Turkey or the United States, both of whom view the PKK as a "terrorist" organization. Ankara has repeatedly urged Washington to take action against PKK rebels in neighboring northern Iraq since last October, when the two countries agreed on an action plan, including military measures, against the PKK. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan repeated the call during talks with US President George W. Bush in Ankara last week. The Turkish authorities estimate that about 5,000 PKK militants have taken refuge in northern Iraq since 1999, when the group announced a unilateral truce with the government following a call for peace by its jailed leader, Abdullah Ocalan. The rebels ended the ceasefire on June 1 this year. CNN-Turk quoted the intelligence report as saying that 1,500 armed militants had infiltrated Turkey in the past six months. The PKK has been blamed for a recent series of deadly attacks on Turkish security forces in mainly Kurdish southeast Turkey, bordering northern Iraq, including the mining of roads. On July 2, oficials accused the group of carrying out a car bomb attack on a convoy carrying the governor of Van province, which killed three people and wounded 25 others. The PKK waged a bloody 15-year campaign for self-rule in Turkey’s predominantly Kurdish southeast between 1984 and 1999. The conflict has claimed some 37,000 lives. The southeast enjoyed relative calm during the ceasefire period and Ankara improved the cultural rights of the Kurdish minority in a bid to boost Turkey’s chances of being allowed to join the European Union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Arpa This is rather rhetorical but for amusement sake if the Kurds establish a Kurdistan in eastern Turkey or on historical Armenia, could the Armenians forge better relations with them then with Turks? And move to our historical villages and coexist with them? Why not remember we can afford to buy our lands-village by village…sort of peaceful resettlement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Arpa This is rather rhetorical but for amusement sake if the Kurds establish a Kurdistan in eastern Turkey or on historical Armenia, could the Armenians forge better relations with them then with Turks? And move to our historical villages and coexist with them? Why not remember we can afford to buy our lands-village by village…sort of peaceful resettlement. Armat Your question may not be so rhetorical after all. That is exactly the reason why I have been bringing these Kurdish stories to the forum. Things are happening, things will happen. We'd better be prepared and nor get cuaght with our guard down, not to say O-O again. Can we trust the Kurd? Do we know what their agenda is? Can we trust the devil? The devil is busy doing things yet we keep on living, at times better than others. The devil caused a huge earthquake. Were we prepared? Obviously not! Are we prepared for the virtual "ethquake" that will happen, one way or other in our ancestral lands? THe Turks has been accusing us of collaborating with the "enemy" anyway. One man's enemy is and and be another's ally/friend. And also. When you visit those Kurdish sites use the search mode using Armeni/Armenian as the key word and see what they have to say about the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Verrry interesting! Did you know this? Here is an excerpt from one of the opinion pages responding to "Armenian" search. http://www.kurdmedia.com/reports.asp?id=1383 Ten percent of Kurdistan?s population is Armenian and Assyrian? Say, how many would that be? In the same document the Parliament declared that 40 million Kurds are living today. This pronouncement translates into 4 million Armenians and Assyrians living in Kurdistan today. Someone should inform the Armenians and the Assyrians of the good news! By the prudent decision of the Kurdish Parliament there are more Armenians and Assyrians living in Kurdistan than in the Republic of Armenia (and in a yet-to-be-created Assyria). Even were we to deflate the Parliament?s figure of 40 million Kurds to a more conservative 25 million, still we end up with 2.5 million Armenians and Assyrians now living in Kurdistan. Armenian statistics indicate 75,000 Armenians in Syria, 10,000 in Iraq, 150,000 in Iran and 75,000 in Turkey (Bournoutian, 1994, 183-86). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 That is indeed great news however even if true those Armenians probably assimilated full fledge Kurds by now but I rather be wrong on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 That is indeed great news however even if true those Armenians probably assimilated full fledge Kurds by now but I rather be wrong on this one. On the surface that may appear to be a gross exaggeration, however you may have a point considering that at times we claim at least 50% of today's Turks having been Armenians and other non-turkic people at one time. I wonder if there are pockets of so-called Kurds who are aware of their Armenian ancestry even if they don't speak or practice Armenian culture, much like the Hamshentsis. Also note the quote above: ..." yet-to-be-created Assyria". Is this a viable and credible reality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Here is another quote from the above article; We can sense the upcoming issues already. ======= Naturally putting first the interests of their own people before those of otters, the Armenian delegation to the conference fully ignored this map and presented one of their own for the boundaries of an independent Armenia. The Armenian delegation?s map included all of present Kurdistan of Turkey, chunks of Iraqi and Syrian Kurdistan, and large areas populated by Turks, Turcomans and Arabs thrown in for good measure. This territory stretched from Adana and the Mediterranean Sea to the coast of the Black Sea and the middle of Azerbaijan. Were the Armenians serious? Yes and no. But that is what diplomacy and the art of negotiation are all about. Here, I am not criticizing the Armenian delegation. On the contrary, I am commending them for thinking first and foremost of the interests of their own people. Would that the Kurdish delegation had done the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted July 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Well! I'll be.....I didn't know this! There are many entries about Saladin and Armenia/ns. It is reported that he died in Damascus on his way to Kilikia to punish King Leo II. Oddly enough Armenian sources don't mention his origins from Armenia. This site does not say it but it seems it was reproduced from the Britannica. http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/S/SA/SALADIN.htm " The opportunity of Saladin lay therefore in the fact that his lifetime covers the period when there was a conscious demand for political union in the defence of the Mahommedan faith. By race Saladin was a Kurd of Armenia. His father, Ayyub (Job), and his uncle Shirkuh, sons of a certain Shadhy of Ajdanakan near Dawin**, were both generals in Zengi's army. In 1139 Ayyub received Baalbek from Zengi, in 1146 he moved, on Zengi's ** Dawin=Dvin ====== For more detailed account about Dvin, Garni Jugha et al look here; http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~siamakr/Kurdis.../saladinII.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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