Boghos Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 After all, Ali Suat may have a valid point on the workings of this issue in Turkey. Let's see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Boghos:After all, Ali Suat may have a valid point on the workings of this issue in Turkey. Let's see.I'll try and make this short.As to monuments adjacent to Armenia and Turkey, it may be a good idea, but once a again, before we rush and build some gaudy, if controversial monument let us fisr look at the sisting ones. There may thousands of the. Let us consider just two of them. Ani and Ararat. Two monuments that may have historical and cultural value, consider the potential commercial value if and when these two sites are opened to the world.Istanbul is 3000 miles away, Yerevan is a walking distance from Ararat just as Gumri from Ani. Think of those silly dollars that all those silly chasers of the lost "Ark" will deposit in Yerevan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 16, 2002 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 Arpajan – it’s a good idea but do you think that turky will let Armenia or Armenians make a single $ ?Turkey has been trying to close every single door in front of Armenia. For over 10 years the borders of turkey have been closed for Armenia – we call it - Blockade - :I would like to bee bit more optimistic on this issues but I still believe that turkey and Armenia have long ways to go before reaching some sort of FRENDLY relations. Again it's a good idea.lets see what hapens. Movses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 quote:Originally posted by MosJan:Arpajan – it’s a good idea but do you think that turky will let Armenia or Armenians make a single $ ?Turkey has been trying to close every single door in front of Armenia. For over 10 years the borders of turkey have been closed for Armenia – we call it - Blockade - :I would like to bee bit more optimistic on this issues but I still believe that turkey and Armenia have long ways to go before reaching some sort of FRENDLY relations. Again it's a good idea.lets see what hapens. MovsesIt will nor happen until Turkey sets aside all excuses and prejudices, until Turkey shows a real goodwill as our Friend Ali would like happen. Until Turkey stops hiding behind issues such as Karabagh and Azerbaijan. Until Turkey reconciles with the fact that Armenia is here to stay and stop pursuing such schemes as linking Nakhijevan, supposed to be an exclave of Azernaijan but in fact a part of Turkey, until Turkey ceases to pursue its PanTurkic/Turanic dream and acknowledges Armenia as neighbor and not as an obstacle.All those excuses of Genocide recognition or not, Karabagh and "occupied lands" are just that, excuses and a facile way of face saving when Ankara's hostile stance toward Yerevan is questioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 16, 2002 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 LET US ERECT A MONUMENT ON BORDER Turkish Hurriyet quotes in its May 12 issue the Armenian Patriarch of Istanbul Mesrop Mutafian as saying that “ The Bible says that when there arises a problem it should be resolved as soon as possible so that not to serve as an occasion for speculations. There is one unresolved problem. Instead of giving it different names let us embark on a dialogue. We, Turkish Armenians, are between two fires. We are simultaneously Turks and Armenians, we love both Turks and Armenians, and our culture is both Turkish and Armenian. Let us erect on the Turkish-Armenian border a monument so that all could visit it, lay flowers on it, let us share bread and salt.” The daily Hurriyet does not elaborate on why Mutafian suggests erecting the monument on the border. The Turkish Daily News, the English language daily based in Istanbul, also referred to Patriarch Mutafian in its May 13 article. “ Turkish foreign ministry has reportedly prepared an "action plan" for removing the genocide claims from the agenda in December 2000. The meeting of the National Security Council in November 2000 has reportedly discussed ways to progress ties between Yerevan and Ankara. Government then had a distanced position for the action plan, which based on three main parameters to improve relations with Armenia step by step. Main concern of the government was a possible Azerbaijani reaction. The focus would be on the improvement of bilateral economic ties and the support for Armenian Patriarch Mutafian, as well as the solution of the problems of Armenians living in Turkey.” By Tatoul Hagobian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fadi Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 quote: It will nor happen until Turkey sets aside all excuses and prejudices, until Turkey shows a real goodwill as our Friend Ali would like happen. Until Turkey stops hiding behind issues such as Karabagh and Azerbaijan. Until Turkey reconciles with the fact that Armenia is here to stay and stop pursuing such schemes as linking Nakhijevan, supposed to be an exclave of Azernaijan but in fact a part of Turkey, until Turkey ceases to pursue its PanTurkic/Turanic dream and acknowledges Armenia as neighbor and not as an obstacle.All those excuses of Genocide recognition or not, Karabagh and "occupied lands" are just that, excuses and a facile way of face saving when Ankara's hostile stance toward Yerevan is questioned. Excuses and excuses, still Turkey was supposed to recognise the Kojali "genocide" why they havnt ? Maybe because it is not their excuses but Azerbaijan one ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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