Jews and Antisemitism

[hagopn]

Great post Ed. Let me nominate you the King of Armenia.

I still wish that our ads and mods make this thread to disapper.

 

Haha, I knew it!

 

It would be preferable to keep this and get rid of some of the "why do we date turks, jurds, burds" trash

[hagopn]

Item #4. Armin Vambery, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81rmin_V%C3%A1mb%C3%A9ry in partnership, essentially, with a Tatar figurehead, clearly the figurehead, Ismail Bey Gasprinski. Vambery was the ideologue who concocted a "glorious Turkic empire" vision that still is the basis for Turkism.

 

Even so-called leftists and progressives in Turkey are adherents of this false paradigm. A while back I had a long debate with a Turkish musicologist with regards to origins of musical instruments, and he was evoking "Gok Turk origins", clearly a fictitious concoction, of various instrument types due to the "shape of the (particularly stringed) instrument's acoustic body." He said, "don't worry. I am not a nationalist. You can speak freely with me." Then, as I started speaking freely, such as the likehood that Dravidian sources are better explanations for the non-Hittite origin instruments, and that there is much evidence to suggest this, he was in fumes! He adamantly denied the possibility of such a thing, despite existing genetic, linguistic evidence, and direct instrument examples that exist. To his credit, he didn't take the route of a typical facsist, who would have easily resorted to the ridiculous - and yet surprisingly mainstream - ruckus about "turkic origins of Sumerians." Regardless, the fact is that even leftists are saturated with Vamberian propaganda.

 

http://www.zemarchus.gr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7:-arminius-vambery-o-ismail-bey-gasprinski-&catid=2:2010-02-14-16-24-15&Itemid=16&lang=en

 

Apparently the Russophobia (with regards to Imperial Russia) of the British Empire also fueled this movement. Also not a surprise due to an immense amount of background information that exists about this topic, but is, also not surprisingly, ignored by "the establishment".

Edited February 1, 2014 by hagopn

[hagopn]

Actually, I suggest that the title of this thread be changed. it is rather telling that this "Jews and Anti-Semitism" is the selected title. I would say that the person who started this thread is clearly baiting, making the customary attempt at agitating, a standard agent provocateur. That seems to be a frequent phenomenon on Armenian forums, where sometimes even a Turk or Azeri poses as an Armenian and starts blurting out Jewish hatred nonsense.

 

I will tell you further as to why the title of this thread needs to change. Save for some petty and easily discredited fabrications by Azerbaijan of late (such as the Guba fiasco), for example, there is no record of actual discrimination or actions against Jews by any Armenian kingdom or state. "Armenian anti-semitism" is simply a non-topic. It does not exist. Even the eventual participation in the Wehrmacht by Drazdamat Kanayan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drastamat_Kanayan was entirely for the purpose of avoiding massacre of Armenians under the strangely broad ethnic cleansing program of Germany at the time, which also was targeting Czechs, Slovaks, and others deemed enemies of Uber Deustchland at the time.

 

What does exist is an Armenian reaction to general Jewish Anti-Armenianism. Indeed, Armenians react to the actions of the state of Israel, AIPAC in the USA, the ADL, the various intellectuals and ideologues (such as the very founder of pan-Turkism, really, Vambery mentioned above), Turkish Republic figures, Young Turk party heads of Jewish ancestry, even the lion's share of holocaust authors, and the list goes on. These actions are nothing less than the endorsement of a fascist and anti-Armenian Turkish regime. In fact, not one, but two such regimes exist. The phenomenon of Georgian anti-Armenianism is also a curious one, in a not much less extreme form, which is perhaps not entirely due to Jewish involvement. Nevertheless, Israel's endorsement of Georgian interests also bleeds into the Javakhk issue, and Armenians notice this. Israel's endorsement and alliance with Azerbaijan also automatically impacts the Artsakh (unfortunately better known in its Russianized form of "Nagorno-Kharabkh") issue.

 

Also, even though all anecdotal, and some real, instances of interaction with the general Jewish populations throughout the globe reveal general sympathy toward the Armenian cause, particularly genocide recognition, still the leading institutions of Jewry are against Armenian interests, often indirectly, but sometimes directly.

 

However, to be fair, there is also the common issue of other ethnicities and nation-states, such as the OIC members - with the notable exception of Iran - who are also providing the no vote in Artsakh's recognition. Every state in Europe is also voting no on that issue, as well as every state in Latin America and North America. Part of this can be attributed to joint Jewish and Turkish lobbying efforts, as is the case in the USA, France, England, and elsewhere, but much of it is due to economic relations with Turkey, which in turn is a loop back to Israeli involvement in keeping Turkey a "NATO member" and ally, a welfare state, huge recipient of aid and arms support, a huge recipient of political, intelligence and strategic support from entities that, aside from the obvious Israel, clearly are heavily influenced in their regional foreign policy by Jewish as well as the resultant strength of Turkish lobbyism.

 

It is a truism that much of the US financial support to Turkey takes a ricochet right back to PR efforts at Madison Avenue and lobbying efforts at Pennsylvanian Avenue. Turkish economic successes have direct relations to Jewish efforts in geopolitics in the region, both domestically and via foreign relations efforts by the Jewish influenced foreign offices of the various economic powers mentioned.

 

But the most important source of Armenian resentment and reaction is absolutely the utter hypocrisy of it all in relation to Genocide versus Holocaust recognition. This is such an obvious and glaring case of hypocrisy, that to speak any more of it in detail would be truly redundant and insulting to the average Armenian's intelligence.

Edited February 1, 2014 by hagopn