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"We Jews, we the destroyers, will remain the destroyers forever. NOTHING that you will do will meet our needs and demands. We will forever destroy, because we need a world of our own, a God-world, which it is not in your nature to build." Maurice Samuel

" They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don't want: They don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don't want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They're not interested in that. That doesn't help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They don't want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they're getting f***ed by a system that threw them overboard 30 f***ing years ago. They don't want that!You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork." By George Carlin

In this article of mine, I wish to explain to you some truths about the Armenian Question with the intention of at least partially removing the scales from your eyes: I want to speak of two large minority [populations] that competed with one another within the Ottoman Empire for centuries, that is to say, the Jews and the Armenians. The disputes between these two minorities derived not from the land dispute [that, originating with] the Young Turks [and continuing] down to the establishment of the Union and Progress Party, but with the struggles between these two groups for commercial advantage. The Armenians were always much more capable artisans than the Jews and [so the latter] did not engage in commerce apart from through fraud and dubious dealing or by creating all manner of division and dissent against their competitors, because the society was not familiar with their culture. That’s how it was with the Jews, it was part of their ideology; that’s what it meant to be Jewish. In the 1870s two branches of Judaism, the Sabbateans and the Jews,[14]began to organize among themselves and gain in strength. Through the assistance of the French, Italians and other foreign powers they began to understand the dimensions of their own united power in the economic field. They began to [work toward] destroy[ing] the [Ottoman] Empire and planting the seeds of an entirely new state that they themselves would establish. But naturally, as part of this plan they could not be on friendly terms with the Armenians, who were their biggest competitors. For this reason you cannot find Armenians among the Young Turks or the [Committee of] Union and Progress. They embarked upon preparations for the whittling down and elimination of the Armenians. What they intended to do was to eliminate the Armenians, who for centuries had established a powerful minority community within the various cities and centers of Anatolia, and to establish a state in which the control and administration would be in their own hands. This was what Sabbatai Sevi had intended in the 17th century. The Armenians would be eliminated and they themselves, that is, the Sabbateans, the majority of whom were wealthy and powerful, would come from the Balkans to Anatolia and settle there. In this way the Jews would also be rid of the their strongest competitors. from: http://www.armenianw...enian-genocide/

Well dear ED, thanks for your friendly warning.. noted with Thanks. But seems you are not reading your friend Arpa's replies.. its not me who is turning this a chat room, i'm here to discuss. As you can see im sharing some stuff over here to discuss like any other subject.. its just not me who are making fun and turning it to a chat room.. Thank you

Arpa.. lets begin Very interesting article written on armenianweekly.com on December 7, 2009 http://www.armenianw...enian-genocide/ The plan to exterminate the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire was conceived and implemented by Jews, Zionists and Freemasons. You want proof? Several leaders of the Committee of Union and Progress (CUP)—that committed the genocide—were Jews converted to Islam (the Turkish term used to refer to them is Donme) and freemasons. Those who present these arguments, of course, set out several reasons that might have prompted the Jews to exterminate the Armenians, ranging from jealousy (for example, the Armenians were successful merchants, even more so than the Jews) to greater geo-political schemes sometimes involving the domination of the world. In some cases, this conspiracy theory is amalgamated with a similar theory prevalent among some Arabs that the Young Turk revolt of 1908 against the Ottoman Sultan Abdulhamid II was also a Jewish and Freemasonic conspiracy because the sultan was vehemently opposed the settling of Jews in Palestine, while the Young Turks were allegedly more inclined to implement the Zionist designs. While no professional historian of the Armenian genocide has taken this conspiracy theory seriously, there has unfortunately been no separate academic analysis as well to expose its origins and the reasons of its persistence, making it possible for this theory to survive on the margins of Armenian life. Sabbateanism is a subject which is not written about, outlined or spoken of very often. But it’s not that there aren’t some works from which the curious can acquire some general information about the topic. For example, there are Abdurrahman Küçük’s work titled Dönmeler,[7]Galante’s work,[8] and the National Education [Ministry] and [The Presidency of] Religious Affairs’ İslâm [A]nsiklopedileri. What is generally agreed upon [by all of these authors] is that [sabbateanism] is a secret movement like Freemasonry, it is connected to the Jewish faith, Kabbala and its traditions, based on the Messianic claim [of Sabbatai Sevi], and, having originated in Salonica, is centered in Izmir and Salonica. It is a sect or a [dervish] order. Six years later, upon the French Parliament’s passage of a law outlawing the denial of the truth of the Armenian genocide, Dilipak would once again pick up this line of argument, implying, among others, Jewish and Dönme responsibility for the Armenian genocide with the statement “The Armenian question is a subject that not only concerns the Turks, the Kurds and Jews are also involved in this affair. The Sabbateans are also [involved]. So, for that matter, are the Russians, the Americans, the British, the French and the Greeks. We will [soon] understand that none of us are without blame”.[10] * In 2007 the day after the House Resolution 106 entitled “Affirmation of the United States Record on the Armenian Genocide Resolution” was accepted by The Foreign Affairs Committee of the U.S. House of Representatives Dilipak referred again in his column to this matter and stated that “if we discuss in depth the Armenian problem, it would become apparent that those who did this in the Ottoman Empire were Committee of Union and Progress bands made up of Jews, Freemason-Sabataist mongrels”.[11]

Arpa lol now you are talking (i have plan B for you.. im sure u will love it) you guys even don't dare to talk or even to discuss about this subject.. this pretty insure your weakness

Aha.. welcome Boghos.. well no need to color them, cz each one of them has a tittle and its own author.. good? Have you ever read any kind of these books? so since u have words to say.. what do u think about my questions ? u have any answers.. ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpRXkk76Qkg Christopher's book is available for FREE on the internet.. you may download it and read it. well, i have his book.. and not just on pdf.. its printed.. plus i have also more than 6 books.. the interesting thing about Why Israel dont recognize the Armenian genocide..?? I have almost read enough about this.. Well as a fact most of the people believe the first image of the TV, or whats going on the table.. but some rare people know whats going also under the tables.. or whats behind the curtains, i believe one of the reasons that make Israel not to recognize the Armenian genocide is because Turkey has enough proofs about Jews partnership in the crime, proofs if Turks brought it out it will make a mess.. esp in Turkey since they have Jewish lobby too..

Hello everyone Please check my topic, http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=46982 Thanks,

I have a deal for you Arpa.. and its not just for you.. its for everyone who is in this forum I'm ready to discuss any subject you are interested to, from culture, history, science, anything you are interested to discuss.. you are interested to talk about Komitas.. i promise you i will, but first lets discuss about my topic.. and please don't reply by suggesting to me what to talk about or to discuss to insure you that im an ARMENIAN I am Armenian, believe it or not.. its your problem not mine, we may also meet one day so u can be 100% sure of my identity.

Hello Arpa, I'm not writing here to make a fight or to discuss in a very rude, aggressive, disrespectful tone as yours, your aggressive and disrespectful respond shows that your adrenaline level in your body has been increased because of my writings and the main subject In my last reply i have just simply asked a question for a wish you just made and now.. what i can see that you respond by different and interesting subjects which im not here to talk about, (even your tone shows some aggression) but this is good progress my friend, so thank you for your reply. I dont mind if you like to keep on this tone im so much calm and relaxed, im here to discuss and not to fight. So lets get back to my questions.. Now, the reason im writing this because im looking for some answers to my questions: - Are we Armenians esp in ARMENIA are aware of Jews and aware of being involved in the crime of our genocide and many other revolutions and wars? - Why in Armenia in the schools or Universities.. in Armenian genocide subjects, Jews part is almost nothing.. even in some books not mentioned at all..Why? - Are we aware of Jews of Armenia nowadays? Are we aware of their activities, studies, movements ? - Why we Armenians in Armenia afraid from being antisemitic? Why we can't raise our voice and bring the facts to the world and say YES.. YOU JEWS WERE INVOLVED IN THE CRIME? as same power we do it to Turkey. (*This IF we believe that they were really involved..) (please dont get me wrong.. im not saying this that Turkey is innocent.. no) - Why we can't teach the facts of Jews in our schools or Universities esp for our genocide? why the Jews part is so marginalized? - Are we Armenians are aware how Jews used to play from many years ago to our these days by being hidden as it says "playing behind the stage or curtains.. Are we? I really wish to find some answers.

Dear Yervant1, Sorry i forgot to write for its interesting that i only chose to talk about Jews, well... my researches and investigations are just about Jews, starting from their beliefs and history till nowadays.

Hello Everyone.. parir goon Well first of all thanks for your participation even though they didnt answer any of my question. Its freedom of speech Veteran, removing threads will improve the worse.. so lets discuss.. starting by why u wish the forum ads and mods to make this thread to disappear? why ? To Yervant1 Thanks a lot for sharing these links, well i just honestly told you im researcher.. i have been following most of different articles on this forum for some period, not just reading the articles,, reading also what people reply.. and its somehow interesting how there are two different parties, but mostly what i can see the Armenian party who are living in Armenia are more against to this than the other party who are out of Armenia.. i just dont know why? Believe me if i want to talk about how Jews were involved i may fill this forum with more than 1000s pages, so all the links you shared havn't to do anything of what i wrote.. yes.. the main subject is the same.. bt if you notice half of what i wrote are questions my friend.. i have some questions and im looking to some logical answers that can somehow make a sense.. so thanks again for sharing these links but sorry to tell you.. what i wrote here is a bit different and your links didn't help me at all. Dear ED, no-one wants or wish it happens again, im with you about talking and working for the future, but that doesnt mean we through our past or history behind us, If you really want to talk about the future, then you MUST know the past and its facts very well, so you can be aware and more open to what MAY future brings to you.. you call obsession or not.. call it whatever u want.. i just said this before.. i know as much as there are people who are against about this subject, there are more who agree with this.. but for me whats more interesting to listen to those who disagree.. Please everyone its freedom of speech,believe it or not.. since there is a past.. there is a proof.. cause in investigation world.. it says "there is no crime without evidence" .. but just dont step back from discussing.. i just asked some questions which non of you answered any of them.. which makes this more interesting to me.. Thanks

Almost been 24 hrs.. 49 viewers and NO any participants or any reply.. mmm interesting