A Question About the Fate of the Armenians in USA

[man]

There were 60 millions whites in USA that voted For Mitt Romney, they lost because the minority votes (hispanic, blacks, others), that usually vote for a democrat, were higher in number in 2012 and they are in increase with each passing day, specially that an Obama amnesty is coming for illigals that would add their numbers much higher in millions. What would the whites do now in USA as they are being marginalized and the economic situation getting worse because of socilistic policies of Obama? Civil unrest, civil disobedience, civil war would most likely be answer. In that situation what the Armenians, approximatley one million now in USA, would do? Some would choose to return to Armenia or move to Canada, others would ride the storm of civil war in USA. Below is an article that could herald this coming civil war, civil unreast and bloodshed, we see the whites are collecting singatures for petition of separation as separate governments and satates/nations from the Federal Central Government of USA, a move that the central government would oppose strongly, even by use of force:

 

Citizens in 15 states file petitions to secede from United States

• Secession
  
• November 11, 2012
  
• By: Joe Newby
  

http://www.examiner.com/article/citizens-15-states-file-petitions-to-secede-from-united-states

 

As a result of Tuesday's election, Americans in 15 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States, Regina Conley reported at Red Alert Politics on Saturday.

So far, she says, residents in Louisiana, Texas, Kentucky, Colorado, New Jersey and ten other states, have filed petitions at the White House petition site requesting secession. A petition for New York to secede was file by "C R" of Grand Forks, North Dakota on Saturday.

Examiner's Sheila Carroll says those other states include Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Alabama, Florida, Georgia and Oregon.

On November 7, the day after the election, "Michael E" from Slidell, Louisiana, filed a petition at the White House "We the People" site, requesting that Louisiana be allowed to secede.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation," the petition reads, quoting the Declaration of Independence.

As of this writing, the petition has 8.162 signatures and needs 16,838 to reach a goal of 25,000.

On Friday, a Texas resident created a petition to secede in order to protect the standard of living Texans now enjoy.

"The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect its citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government," the petition reads.

As of this writing, that petition had 5,289 signatures.

The Oregon petition, started Saturday by "Kristopher W" of Tillamook, Oregon, wants the state to remain an ally of the United States and possibly vote to rejoin the Union once "the citizens of Oregon felt the Federal Government was no longer imposing" what it calls a tyrannical government that cares nothing about the future of Oregon's children."

Petitions on the White House site have 30 days to reach a threshold of 25,000 signatures.

"While these petitions serve more to make a point than to present a serious proposition, they are a physical symbol of the deep resentment for the direction in which the United States is moving under the Obama administration," Conley added.

Update: Citizens in four more states have filed petitions at the White House web site, bringing the total to 19. More here.

[man]

First a correction, all 60 millions whites in USA did not vote For Mitt Romney, however the majority of voters for Romney were from among those 60 million whites in USA.

 

On Saturday, citizens in Arizona and Oklahoma and Pennsylvania, posted petitions at the White House "We the People" web site, asking permission to secede from the United States, bringing the total number of states with citizens making such requests to 21.

Both petitions cite the Declaration of Independence and ask that they be allowed to "peacefully" withdraw from the Union in order to form a new government.

Other states have since submitted secession petitions. Altogether there are now 29 states disgruntled enough to pursue action. Few like to contemplate the break up of our Country and this may turn out to be 'something' or it may be 'nothing'. "A House divided against itself cannot stand." Pres. Lincoln, 1858

 

The US constitutional gives no rights to states to secede, however the petitions "serve more to make a point than to present a serious proposition," and are a "physical symbol of the deep resentment for the direction in which the United States is moving under the Obama administration."

 

The signatures are growing hourly in number. Texas now has 53,695 (needs 28,695 more). Tx will be the first to secede as it can be a viable independant nation by its own because of its strong economy, big landmass and big population. Florida as of today has 16,104 (needs 6,430 more). Louisiana 24,725 (needs only 275 more). Alabama 15,318 9needs 9,682). Tennessee 14,671 (needs 10,329).

 

When the number of the singnatures are completed, and there are still 3 weeks to complete them, then after the US Government is obligated by law to consider them and give them a reply, a reply that certainly would state that the US Constitution does not give the right of secession to its states, something that will pave the way for a civil war to decide the matter by force in the coming years. Four years ago a Russian professor forecasted the coming disintegration and division of USA:

 

Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.

In Moscow, Igor Panarin's Forecasts Are All the Rage;

America 'Disintegrates' in 2010

 

December 29, 2008

By Andrew Osborn

Wall Street Journal

 

 

+++The professor says he's convinced that people are taking his theory more seriously. People like him have forecast similar cataclysms before, he says, and been right. He cites French political scientist Emmanuel Todd. Mr. Todd is famous for having rightly forecast the demise of the Soviet Union -- 15 years beforehand. "When he forecast the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1976, people laughed at him," says Prof. Panarin. +++

 

MOSCOW -- For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument -- that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. -- very seriously. Now he's found an eager audience: Russian state media.

 

http://standeyo.com/NEWS/09_USA/09_USA_pics/090101.Igor.gifIn recent weeks, he's been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. "It's a record," says Prof. Panarin. "But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger."

 

Prof. Panarin (pictured right), 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations.

 

But it's his bleak forecast for the U.S. that is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which in recent years has blamed Washington for everything from instability in the Middle East to the global financial crisis. Mr. Panarin's views also fit neatly with the Kremlin's narrative that Russia is returning to its rightful place on the world stage after the weakness of the 1990s, when many feared that the country would go economically and politically bankrupt and break into separate territories.

 

A polite and cheerful man with a buzz cut, Mr. Panarin insists he does not dislike Americans. But he warns that the outlook for them is dire.

 

"There's a 55-45% chance right now that disintegration will occur," he says. "One could rejoice in that process," he adds, poker-faced. "But if we're talking reasonably, it's not the best scenario -- for Russia." Though Russia would become more powerful on the global stage, he says, its economy would suffer because it currently depends heavily on the dollar and on trade with the U.S.

 

Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html

[man]

The blog section of daily Houston Chronicle from Texas is reporting that--

 

The petition to let Texas secede from the U.S. to be reviewed by the White House

 

Monday, November 12, 2012

 

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2012/11/the-petition-to-let-texas-secede-from-the-u-s-to-be-reviewed-by-the-white-house/

 

Well, Texas, you have done it.

 

As of 3:40 p.m. ET, more than 25,000 Texans have already signed the petition on The White House website to let Texas peacefully secede from United States of America and “create its own NEW government.”

The petition, created on Nov. 9, argues for secession, stating:

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/files/2012/11/Texas-petition-secession-600x383.jpg

 

According to The White House, the petition must reach 25,000 signatures within 30 days in order to be considered.

“If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it’s sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response,” explains the website.

If you would like to know about the process of creating petitions on ‘We the People: your voice in our government‘ section of the White House website, watch the video below:

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http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2012/11/the-petition-to-let-texas-secede-from-the-u-s-to-be-reviewed-by-the-white-house/

 

Just last week, Rick Dunham explored differences between the U.S. and Texas that could lead to secession in his piece ‘Will Texas secede from Barack Obama’s America?’

And according to BuzzFeed’s Zeke Miller, Texas is not the only state whose residents are petitioning for secession, but is leading with the highest number of petitioners. Check out his list here.

[man]

The real issue is not whether or not these states actually succeed with their desires to secede, for as Yahoo columnist Mike Krumboltz said, the likelihood of the government granting states permission to secede is “on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.”

 

The issue is the petitions filed heightened levels of partisanship and non-cooperation that deeply divides the nation.

 

What has yet to be specified is what form of government the “country” of Texas or Florida for example would have to look forward to upon secession.

[man]

NOW only Maine, Vermont and Washington states lack secession petitions, all the rest, 47 states, have started petition drives, some states having multiple competing petitions; according to latiest numbers the total signatures of petitions in all states reached the mark of 375,000 as of today. No word yet from Obama, or his administartion, in reply to the petitions.

http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/secede-sign_jpg_800x1000_q100-e1352797375693.jpg

[man]

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/files/2012/11/Texas-petition-secession-600x383.jpg

[man]

The secessionist movement has began to generate a contra-secession movement in USA. One person put up a petition asking for signatures to support the deportation of everyone that signed the previous secession petitions. Another asked the U.S. to strip the citizenship of those who signed petitions and to “exile them.” It is clear that as predicted US is being divided into: the pro and the contra; for a civil war (a new civil war) to become reality two opposite factions are needed -to shoot each other.

 

Most of the petitions cite phrases straight out of the founding fathers’ Declaration of Independence, which states, “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth [the founding fathers had in mind the secession of United colonies from England], the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”

 

Alaska’s petition asks for a “free election” to allow citizens of Alaska to decide if they “should be a free and Independent Nation.”

 

According to the site’s FAQ section, anyone with a valid e-mail address and age “13 or older can create or sign an online petition seeking a federal government action on a range of issues. Then it’s up to the petition creator and signers to build support for the petition by gathering more signatures.”

 

Petitions of this nature have no legal power and no president would ever agree to them. It’s a way to register dissent and discountent the way this country is run and the sinking state of the nation that is entangled in senseless wars, in moral degeneration, economic general depression, and the burden of a monetary debt in the trillions that can never be repaid but only forgiven for the nation to survive and keep on going.

[man]

http://rtr.org/pages...cking-Secession

This is the sites where signature count of state secession petitions is updated automatically every few minutes. Total singnatures as of today have reached 722,028 (almost three quarters 3/4 of million) with 8 states passing the already 25,000 mark required for each state.

Edited November 14, 2012 by man

[man]

To truly and lawfuly for a state to secede --the delegates of that state must call a convention and vote to secede from the union known as USA and elect a provisional president for the state, which usually could be the acting governer of the state till elections are held in the state for an elected state president and then inform washington DC of the updated new situation, No permission to do so is required from the central government just informing is required.

When the delegates in each state wishing to secede will act? When the majority in each state wishes to secede.

 

The original Louisiana petition, which has served as a pattern for many of the new states, reads as follows: “We petition the Obama administration to: Peacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.”

 

It continues, “As the Founding Fathers of the United States of America made clear in the Declaration of Independence in 1776: ‘When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.’”

 

The petition concludes with a further quote from the Declaration of Independence: “‘Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government.’”

 

Residents of other states, however, have chosen different wording.

 

The Texas petition explains itself this way: “The U.S. continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the U.S. suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it’s citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our Founding Fathers, which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.”

 

A petitioner from Tillamook, Ore., identified by the site as Kristopher W, worded his state’s petition this way: “Allow Oregon to vote on and leave the union peacefully and remain an ally to the nation.”

 

He continues, “With the federal government increasing its size much larger than our Founding Father’s intended, and its abuse of power trumping over the rights of state constitutions, and the forcing of unconstitutional laws over its own citizens, the people of Oregon would like the chance to vote on leaving the Union immediately. The federal government has imposed policies on Oregon that are not in Oregon’s best interests, and we as citizens would respectively and peaceably separate ourselves from a tyrannical government who cares nothing about creating a sustainable future for our children. At any time that the citizens of Oregon [should feel] the federal government was no longer imposing on the Constitution, we could re-vote to again join the union under a new agreement.”