Juggernaut Posted November 27, 2001 Report Share Posted November 27, 2001 Hehe, some funny names there, I didnt have a chance to go through all the posts so maybe this name has allready been mentioned, but I reckon its the funniest. One of my great-grandfathers names was 'SIREKAN' LOL, pretty funny eh [ November 27, 2001: Message edited by: Juggernaut ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nvard Posted December 27, 2001 Report Share Posted December 27, 2001 Yesterday i heard worse....... TRCHUN.......lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arto Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 I came across a surname, which seems strange to me - Khanvelian. The root "Khan" does not seem like armenian word (at least in modern Armenian). So I was wondering, what could be the etimology of such a surname? Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 please, let's not get to surenames. "teche" i'll post a page or two of those. including mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Ok, i was just kidding. didn't mean to stop you from posting about surenames. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nvard Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 Arto jan!there are lots of Armenian surnames that are fromed out of Turkish or Persian words or names, like Janibekian, Babajanian, Gyulbekian,Bagirian..etc. By the way, Harut what's yours? [ January 17, 2002: Message edited by: Nvard ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 My last name is formed of a Turkish word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 quote:Originally posted by wh00t:My last name is formed of a Turkish word.Welcome to the club, but that this is the reality for the great majority of Armenians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh00t Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 Yes, I'm just adding to Nvard's point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted January 20, 2002 Report Share Posted January 20, 2002 Hello Nvard jan, and what does the names mean in turkish? quote: Originally posted by Nvard:Janibekian, Babajanian, Gyulbekian,Bagirian..etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 20, 2002 Report Share Posted January 20, 2002 my great-grandfathers name was Movses - Moses - he was born in Waqef - (Village in MusaLer) - just like any Musalertsy my great-grandfather also had a Nick name, most of the time nick name was used in the Village instead of the name, like Ftuzents Fsoo, Yabanjui Manuk, my great-grandfathers Nick name was Chlder Musa ( Crazy Musa-Movses ), when giving surnames, for some crazy reason the person who was documenting the names, have used my great-grandfathers Nick name us our new surnames, Chlderyan ( Like G@joyan in ARmenian ) , we have changed our surname in Armenia, To Movsisyan, just like many other Armenians who did not need a turkish element in their surnames. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nvard Posted January 20, 2002 Report Share Posted January 20, 2002 quote:Originally posted by koko:HelloNvard jan, and what does the names mean in turkish? Janibekian=JAN(soul)BEK(master)Gyulbekian=GYUL(rose)BEK(master)Babajanian=BABA(father)JAN(soul)Bagirian=Bagir is a very common Azeri name,but I don't know the meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nvard Posted January 20, 2002 Report Share Posted January 20, 2002 No hard feelings guys,I don't mean to hurt anyone, but I really wish that every Armenian that has a Turkish last name would change it to a real Armenian one.Don't you think it sounds unnatural:for example:Hayk Bagirian??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 20, 2002 Report Share Posted January 20, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Nvard:No hard feelings guys,I don't mean to hurt anyone, but I really wish that every Armenian that has a Turkish last name would change it to a real Armenian one.Don't you think it sounds unnatural:for example:Hayk Bagirian???Nvard, is "nvard" a purely native Armenian name? No and yes.I am sure you have researched it and can give us a thorough analysis. On the surface it seem like it it is composed of nu=new and vard=rose(red) from a neighboring language. Yes, based on the fact that no one else uses it but the Armenians.Are Arshak, Khosrov, Shahan,Shapuh, Tigran, Vahram and Vardan purely native Armenian names?Again, yes, simply because, regardless of their origin and etymology we use them more commonly than any other people.As to surnames and eponyms, there is nothing new here either. Basically Armenians have perennially been in the business of reaction rather than action, we have, for the most part been on the defensive rather than offensive. We have not had quality time to take care of of our internal affairs as we have been constantly instigated from the outside. We have not had enough peaceful time to worry about such non-essential(?) subjects as nomenclature and cultural purity. About a century ago we felt (falsely as we eventually saw) comfortable and secure enough to think about our culture and destiny. Purification and crystallization of our heritage became a prime subject for our intelligentsia. We would never recognize one of our most famous poets by the name of Petros Zumpachian, Daniel Chbukiarian, Hovsep Shishmanian, Ruben Chilingirian and many others, now we know them by Petros Tourian, Daniel Varouzhan and Dzerentz respectively. This was a beginning but we know when, where and how it ended. Since then in Diaspora, just as in the Homeland we were just about comfortable enough to try and put the pieces together when we were, once again hit from not from side, not to sides but from all three sides. Once again we took the task of damage control and reaction. Armenianizing and purifying of our surnames was fast becoming an everyday subject again, many realized that their surnames were not native Armenian, and what is even worse, that they were pejorative and insultful. Many have acted, many other have been (soul)searching and looking for guidance. A guidance that would not come. We all know that the phenomenon of surnames, family and dynastic names names is relatively new Before the advent of nationhood (French Revolution) dynastic names were the property of the aristocracy and gentry. Consider the term "nomenklatura" which in fact means "Who's who" of the society. This was partially true in the case of the Armenian. We have had such dynastic names as Amatuni, Arshakuni, Mamikonian etc. but, just as in the case of others, the common people were usually known by eponyms, geographical, trades, patrinymical etc. When the world, other nations had the luxury of worrying about surnames we were not a nation, or had the luxury to worry about such secondary and ephemeral matters. Many of ours surnames were imposed un us when we did not know any better. What was our dynastic name before we were known as the Demirchi-s, the Konyali-s etc.? We have lost the continuity.Some nations had to take drastic action to purify and clean their surnames, many were hanged for resisting. Our nation did not have a despot to take such action. We don't have to resort to hanging for having uncomplimentary and insulting surnames what we need is education. Education coming from the top. It has been said; "Fish begins smelling at the head". Let's take a look at the "head". I will not name any names. Take the latest periodical, be it from the church or a cultural, benevolent institution and read the roster of names. Or better yet take a list of our hierarchy, be it church or government and see how many of them have purely, honorific and non pejorative, non-insultful and purely ARMENIAN surnames.Look at the names of our public figures and intellectuals. Why would the common people act when our Katholicoses go by names like Balj-ian, Kazanj-ian, Topal-ian, Chirkin-ian (ugly) Cholak-ian, Pozapali-ian etc. Look at the names of some localities in Hayastan and Artsakh. Is Artsax an Armenian name?Education!!!Who will cast the first stone?When the teacher is guilty of the sin why blame the student.PS, When did the -ian/yan style become prevalent in Armenian surnames? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Bavakanin informativ yev x@raxosakan post er. yes mi tsnot unem uo Pap@ Hayastan galsi 1946-7 tvakanerin poxel er ir azganun@ turqakan Bakhalyan-its --- N@paravacharyan- Hayerenov-, hima im tsanot@s USA qaraqatsy darnalun pes poxets ir azganun@ ir hin Turkakanov drets het Bakhalyan, asum em inchu asuam Hayerenov yerkara. hetaqrqir mardik en. tekuz yerkar, ayst te Hayerena, kam vstah em ir papakan azganun@ bakhalyan el chi yerevi, eli gaxti jamanak trvats atsakan@ darstel e azganun, chunes jisht azganun @entry paperit t@sn@ndavayr@, kam anun@ mets papit. hima el ho hnarvorutyun ka shateris hamar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nvard Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 Ok..Arpa it's absolutely stupid to argue on this topic.When you talk about the Parthian and Persian names we have you forget our anciet culture.It was all that!We had the the same ruling Arshakid dynasty, same religion, almost same culture SO we had a lot of common names!We also have lots of Jewish and Greek names because becuase now we're Christian and this is our religion today! But the Turkish surnames are offensive for a nation that didn't share any common cultural features or religion with the Turks! All we saw was hatred and opression, why should we have their ugly and barbarik names that we even don't understand????!!Do they like our names or do they have them??I don't go against our famous people that had their names.I am agains the surnames not the people! But I'm 100% sure that poor Daniel Varujan that was so horribly killed in 1915 would be happy to stay in our hearts as Daniel VARUJAN ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Arpa:Nvard, is "nvard" a purely native Armenian name? No and yes.I am sure you have researched it and can give us a thorough analysis. On the surface it seem like it it is composed of nu=new and vard=rose(red) from a neighboring language. Whoa, hold your horses! There is no proof that vard is not a native Armenian word. I remember reading western, non-Armenian articles where the etymology of rose was connected to vard, and it was explicitly mentioned that the name probably came from the east of Greeks, and that it was not obvious whether Parthians borrowed from Armenians or vice versa. I also remember at least one non-Armenian article where the etymology was claimed to originate in Armenian. Perhaps more interestingly, the Persian name for rose is gul, and, believe it or not, it has decended from vard or some form of it. Does anyone know what the steps were in this incredible tranformation? I sure would like to find out. If anyone finds out, could you please post it (preferably under the Language forum where it probably belongs) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nvard Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 The word VARD is ARMENIAN.The Assyrians also have it as WURDA.That's it.I don't remember the Greek word but it's for sure not vard or anything close.And the word GUL the Persians may use comes deffinitely from the Turkic word GYUL.And has nothing common with the Armenian word.The name Nvard in Urartu and the name Wurda in Babylon (Assyria) appeared around 8c. BC...lol...the Turks were monkeys at that time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenin Posted February 2, 2002 Report Share Posted February 2, 2002 Can anyone help me out with the origin of the surnames of Kharatants, Tarhanov, and Yavurian (Yavrian). I have not really come across many of these last names so I was wondering. Thanks a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted February 2, 2002 Report Share Posted February 2, 2002 Nvard, Did I tell you that I love you! Muah, Abris! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nvard Posted February 14, 2002 Report Share Posted February 14, 2002 Gamavor,Really?...haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 I came across this webpage searching for something else: http://www.gaminggeeks.org/Resources/KateM...sus/Armenia.htm the page is full of omissions and mistakes but nonetheless is entertaining! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 I came across this webpage searching for something else: http://www.gaminggeeks.org/Resources/KateM...sus/Armenia.htm the page is full of omissions and mistakes but nonetheless is entertaining! i had my fingers crossed that my name would not be under females. Karo under females...Aghavni under males...and basically listing of every single name that any Armenian every was called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 I was amazed too Thank God my surname is not there "Shushan" was under male names and basically it is a big mess. I realized how little I know about Armenian names Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph parikian Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Nvard the greek word isTryandaphilo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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