Guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 For some time now, the phenomenon of the "nice girl" in armenian society has been of some interest to me, for no other reason than pure amusement. They're at every turn, these nice girls. Everywhere you look. It's really quite sickening. And highly amusing. Highly. Currently, a "nice girl" is quite persistently pursuing a very close friend of mine--obviously a guy. We have a good laugh over this girl once in a while. The things she does!!...lol...Him and I actually have a $100 bet going: he thinks this "nice girl" only wants to get him into bed, I think she wants to be Mrs. K. lol...I have no interest in money, but I'm eagerly awaiting this particular $100 bill. lol. Anyway, that's by way of intro. I've developed a typology of the "nice girl" and I thought I'd share it with you. ********************************************Here I am, half an hour later, after having typed up a DETAILED personality profile of this type of a girl. I looked at the screen, smiled, highlighted my writing and hit delete. How would YOU describe the "nice girl" in armenian society? Why does she appeal to certain men and completely repulse others? Talk to me, I'm curious as to what people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 GaYaNe WeLl ThE tHinG iS iN hErE sAcRaMeNtO aLl ThE aRmEnIaN guyS gO fOr tHe 'NiCe GiRl'!! I mEaN iF thEy KnOw ThAt A CuRTaIn GirL tHeY lIKe HaS hAd A BoYfRiEnD bEfOrE tHaTs LIkE iT hE dOeSnT thInK aBouT tHaT gIrL aGaIn!! ThAtS HOW iT iS iN aRmEnIa tOo!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 I don't know what the general definition or profile is but for me a "nice Armenian girl" is one who is "old fashioned yet modern". This sounds like an oxymoron, but what I mean is "old fashioned" in certain aspects yet "modern" in others. When I say old fashioned I am not refering to her not having had any previous boyfriends. I am not refering to her having to stay home and not work. I am not refering to her having to "obey her husband no matter what the cost". What I am refering to is values and morals such as honesty, devotion to family, kindness, seriousness. In addition since we are talking about a "nice ARMENIAN girl" I would have to add "armenianness" as a trait. Some components of this trait include speaking the language, knowing general things about Armenia and Armenians, being patriotic towards the Armenian nation, and having the ability to raise her kids as Armenians regardless of geographic location (if she ever has any). When I say modern I am not refering to having a boyfriend at the age of 13. I am not refering to acting Americanized in the superficial sense of the word (cell phone, etc.). I am not refering to acting like a homegirl and being tough. I am not refering to tattoos and multiple earings. I am not refering to a female activist (a woman can do anything a man can do, etc.). What I am refering to by modern is being educated, being aware that we live in the 21st century, strong emotionally, somewhat goal driven, etc. Anyway, this is what a nice Armenian girl is for me. It is only personal, as others have other perceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Gayane:How would YOU describe the "nice girl" in armenian society? Why does she appeal to certain men and completely repulse others? Talk to me, I'm curious as to what people think. Gayancho,"Nice girl" as in the anti-"Bad girl" ? He he he ... I really don't know where you are going with this BTac, I really liked your post. You know what you're talking about you A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 Gayanchik jan esurish Djvar Temma chkar ? Ok lav mi qich jamank tur 345676 tert -" Nice Girl " Batsatrutyun grem Offf inchkan djvar ban ka indzi rast k@ga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 Yep, I guess she wants to have it off with him. Mabye she's even probably hoping for a threesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 Nice girl definition: Gayane, are you ready??? First of all knows her place in the family. Listens to her brothers and parents etc.Then, of course should never have boyfriends before!Shy, but not too, well it depends on character... doesn't smoke. doesn't drink!And the last, knows that she is a girl and knows that girls and guys are different things, and there things for guys allowed but not for girls! (Gayush, i said that, you can kill me, now ) This is a basic picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 All of you missed what I was getting at, just as I expected (this is exactly why I deleted my own profiling, to see if anyone would catch what I was trying to say) I'll explain later when I have more time. I'm late for my seminar as it is. ciao, gayancho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 Could you guys be any more predictible? Here we go ... Gayane comes up with a cliche topic (that is controversial in her mind but a mute point in reality). (No hard feelings girlie) HyEBaByGrL updates us from SaC ToWn Thank Ya !!! BTac gives us a picture of his "ideal girl." Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh Sulamita comes in with a wise-crack (and wonders off into the Music Forum). MosJan falls into deep thoughts and decides to write a dissertation on the "nice-girl" which will comprise of 345676 pages. Kazza gets kinky for a min there Artur plays his old violin. Jrrrr jrrrrrr jrrrrr jrrrrrrrr .... he he he ... Gayane informs EVERYONE how they ALL missed the so-important point of her posting (just as she had expected) and storms out with the promise of "enlightening" us one day Gotta love these HyeForum scripts !!! A PS. Have a Niiiiiicccceeeeee Day Everyone !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 Warning !!! This is a serious posting !!! Now. I think I shall try to answer the question posted by Gayancho ... but I think I will also come up with a few questions in the process. How would I describe the "nice girl" in armenian society? I think the term is over-rated and over-used. It actually does not even mean much any longer. There is no clear-cut "nice girl" image as far as I'm concerned. Gayancho, I know what you were trying to get across. I think your "nice-girl" is my "Miss-Goodie-Two-Shoes-NOT." They try so hard to be something they are NOT. I think that's one of the dumbest things a person can do - pretend to be something she's not. It just makes me lose respect for her. But that's all it does for me. I don't hate them, I don't find them amusing or sickening. I don't spend too much time or energy trying to study them or understand them for that matter. 'Nuff Said Why does she appeal to certain men and completely repulse others? For the same reason "bad-girls" appeal to certain men and completely repulse others (replace she with any characteristic or "stereo-type"). Its all a matter of taste and preferences. That's All Folks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Artur:Nice girl definition: Gayane, are you ready??? First of all knows her place in the family. Listens to her brothers and parents etc.Then, of course should never have boyfriends before!Shy, but not too, well it depends on character... doesn't smoke. doesn't drink!And the last, knows that she is a girl and knows that girls and guys are different things, and there things for guys allowed but not for girls! (Gayush, i said that, you can kill me, now )This is a basic picture.LOL! Are there alot of girls like that where you are from. Never drink, never had boyfriends, listens to her brothers and parents??IMO, A nice girl in my opinion is just that a "NICE GIRL". A good person, with a good set of values and beliefs. I personally have disobeyed my parents when I was younger and would throw a party when they went out of town etc. Have 1 or 2 drinks at a party. I have always appreciated my brother's opinion but ultimately can make my own decisions.Sorry Artur - one last question,,, What things are permissible for men but not for women?? What are you referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 Lisa, wher i come from most of the girls are like that. I can proudly say that all my sisters are like that, so that is the simple picture of my sisters. About your question. I think the girls should know by themself. So, you should tell me what things are not allowed for girls. If you don't know, then i can't comment. Ask your brother(s) will tell you, i am not your brother or your boyfriend to tell you about it. Take care. [This message has been edited by Artur (edited January 31, 2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 Artur, please enlighten me,,, This is a forum to serve the purpose of good discussion. I am just curious what you are reffering to? I guess my parents treated us differntly. I was allowed to exercise the same independance as my brother when I was capable of showing sound judgement, maturity, responsibility, etc. It was based on those things and not on gender. I started working part time when I was only 14 years old. Bought a car before many of my guy friends and got my lisence @ 16 etc. Nothing was based on gender. I am very proud to say that many of my sisters are like that where I'm from... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 Well Lisa, if you really want then i'll tell you how girls in our family are grown, with no offense to your mentality etc. First, there are some places that girls should not even think about going, or if they go of course with the presence of brothers.There are things like, being outside too late, e.g. later than 9:00, is not permited.There are ways that girls shouls never talk, especially to her elders and brothers.There are people that girls allowed to be with and not allowed to be with, i mean to talk, to go somewhere etc. Father and brothers tell them with who. And showing respect she should always listen to her father. mother or brother. About you working when you were 14. My sisters should never work. I will make sure that they all get happy life without thinking about money and the dirty world of business. I have only one little sister (and many cousins, but there is no difference, they are all sisters), and whatever she like to be in this world (doctor, an artist, piano player) she will, but i don't what her to think about money at all! ArturP.S. I am from Gyumri (Leninakan), north-east Armenia. [This message has been edited by Artur (edited January 31, 2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 Artur, thank you for sharing that with me. Clearly, there are differences all over the world. I think that the women here are more independent. Nothing wrong with either and no disrespect to your mentality either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 Apres Aneta jan Yes, the "nice girl" is the "goodie-two-shoes-NOT" girl you speak of. I'll go a step further though, to postulate that the "nice girl" is entirely a man made creation. Since birth she's instilled with a set of values and beliefs and trained in certain behaviors to attract a man for the sole purpose of marriage. You say it's not sickening. I say, can anything be more sickening than that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Gayane:Since birth she's instilled with a set of values and beliefs and trained in certain behaviors to attract a man for the sole purpose of marriage. You say it's not sickening. I say, can anything be more sickening than that?Yes, there can be some more sickening consequence, with men getting into psycological apathy as a result of the change of women's values and beliefs. That's why the number of America's heterosexual men is on the level just because of the immigration from countries without woman emancipation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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