MosJan Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Turkish Foreign Ministry: "We will continue to defend ourselves against unjust allegations"http://hetq.am/static/news/b/2012/01/9611.jpg13:03, January 24, 2012The following is the official Turkish response to last night's passage of a genocide denial bill in the French Senate. It appeared in today's Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs website. The law proposal presented by deputies of the governing Union for a Popular Movement (UMP), aiming to penalize in France any challenge to genocide allegations regarding the events of 1915 was adopted by a vote in the General Assembly of the Senate today (23 January). We strongly condemn this decision, which is problematic in every aspect and constitutes an example of irresponsibility, and declare that we will express our reaction against it in every platform. A similar law proposal was rejected earlier by the General Assembly of the Senate on 4 May 2011 by 196 votes against 74, in line with the opinion of the Commission of Laws of the Senate which had concluded that the proposed law was in breach of the Constitution. Although the Commission of Laws of the Senate once again concluded that the latest proposal was in breach of the Constitution, the Senate adopted it. Since there has not been a change in the substance of the matter in the meantime, this development is a blatant indication of how such a sensitive issue can be exploited for domestic political purposes in France. This has been an entirely unfortunate step for French politics. Politicization of the understanding of justice and history through other people's past and damaging freedom of expression in a tactless manner are first and foremost a loss for France. It is obvious that the interpretation of historical events cannot be determined by the attitude of French politicians who see in themselves the right to judge other nations on the basis of one-sided views and declare a judgment on a serious allegation of crime such as genocide, thereby ignoring the principles of international law. In fact, no Parliament has such a right or such a competence. The decision in question goes further and delivers a blow against the freedom of expression and scholarly research. At a period when we need positive examples for the dissemination of universal values throughout the world, it is disconcerting to see narrow political calculations producing such a result even in a country which plays a role in the advancement of such values and which takes pride in rule of law. It is further unfortunate that the historical and multi-dimensional relations between the Republic of Turkey and France have been sacrificed to considerations of political agenda in spite of all our initiatives and warnings, as well as the opinions of prominent French institutions and jurists. It is quite clear where the responsibility for this lies. The circles which consider that Turkey has overreacted on this matter or think that its reaction will only remain in words neither comprehend the essence of the matter, nor understand Turkey and the Turkish people. We find it useful to remind all parties that, in case of the completion of the finalization process for the law, we will not hesitate to implement, as we deem appropriate, the measures that we have considered in advance. Similarly, it must be also known that we will continue to strongly use our right to defend ourselves on a legitimate basis against unfair allegations. No one should doubt our Government's principled approach in this issue. On the other hand, we share the calls for common sense of those who, during this process, have admitted the error being committed in French politics, appealed to return from this error and opposed to damaging relations with Turkey in such a tactless manner. It is clear that all avenues need to be explored for the finalization of the present process in a way which will avoid this being recorded as part of France's political, legal and moral mistakes. Turkey is determined to take every step required against this unjust action, which disregards basic human values and public conscience. Home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Foreign Minister Nalbandian Thanks France for Genocide Bill Passagehttp://hetq.am/static/news/b/2012/01/9602.jpg11:10, January 24, 2012RA Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian said that yesterday’s decision by France’s Senate to pass the genocide bill is the logical continuation of the law recognizing the Armenian Genocide adopted by France in 2001. “This day will be written in gold not only in the history of friendship between the Armenian and French peoples, but also in the annals of the history of the protection of human rights worldwide, and will further consolidate the existing mechanisms of prevention of crimes against humanity. France re-affirmed its pivotal role as a genuine defender of universal human values,” FM Nalbandian stated Nalbandian then conveyed his government’s thanks to the President of the French Republic, the Senate, the National Assembly, the Government and the friendly people of France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 ARMENIAN GENOCIDE DENIAL BECOMES INDUSTRY IN TURKEY - TANER AKCAM news.amJanuary 21, 2012 | 03:49 Armenian News-NEWS.am publishes an extract from the interview of theTurkish sociologist and historian Taner Akcam in the French blog ofLe Monde. In response to the question what he thinks of France and the billcriminalizing denial of genocides and, in particular, the ArmenianGenocide, he said that the bill was accepted in Turkey very negatively,as it was a short term effect, while the long term effects will bemore positive. Turkey may try to prohibit and force to keep silenton the truth within its borders, while the international agencieswill constantly remind it of the issue, which Turkey must face andsolve eventually. Besides, the French initiative is not a law for France. To the joyand sorrow, it has become a part of the international campaign forthe recognition of the Armenian Genocide. Turkey's hysteria, anger and negative events will soon be forgotten,while heavy reality of the serious indecisiveness of the issue willremain. It will, hence, strengthen positions of those who ascertainconfrontation with the historical memory is closely linked with thecreation of a democratic society in Turkey. Regardless of France's final goal, Turkish society and elite are againclaimed the necessity to make a decision on the fundamental issue. As for it is effectiveness, he said that everyone should acknowledgethe fact. Turkey is irritated by being reminded of its memory. Thememory, like a ghost, pursues it for decades. "I have been discussing the Armenian Genocide issue for many yearsand the truth is that I felt alone. I even had to explain my closestrelatives the meaning of the 1915," Akcam said. To comprehend Turkey's denial policy, one should realize that denialis a structure Denying the 1915 events, Turkey reproduces institutes, public relationsand mentality. Denial also fuels the continuing policy of aggressioninside and outside Turkey towards anyone daring to speak againstmentality of denial. Denial of genocide is an industry in Turkey and public policy of utmostimportance. As far as Turkey continues state policy of denial throughits institutes and mentality, Ankara will be sensitive to the outsidepressure, meantime, the pressure should be increased. In response to what are Akcam's expectations of the pressure and whereit would lead to Turkey, he said that as far as the West allows Turkeyto run the policy of denial, it will go on. "We must reach global comprehension of the Genocide and its preventionequally. Struggle against Genocide denial is an issue of globaldemocracy and human rights. Recognition is essential for humanity,"Akcam concluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 FRENCH PUBLICIST CONSIDERS DENIAL DIRT OF SPIRIT ARMENPRESSJANUARY 24, 2012YEREVAN YEREVAN, JANUARY 24, ARMENPRESS: By passing of the Armenian Bill,it will be easier for Turks to turn the page of the history, Frenchpublicist, scientist Bernard-Henri Levy said in an interview withNouvelles d'Armenie, Armenpress reports. "The memory of that horror can only impede self-recognition andshaping the own destiny," Bernard-Henri Levy said, stressing that alarger number of intellectuals, journalists and just ordinary peoplealready understand this in Turkey, but they are still a minority. The intellectual expressed confidence that the passing of the billcannot impede historians in their work in any way, just that workwill be already without dirt. "Actually denial is dirt of spirit,"the publicist underlined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 JEWISH ANALYST SAYS TURKEY'S THREATS WORTH NOTHING ARMENPRESSJANUARY 24, 2012YEREVAN YEREVAN, JANUARY 24, ARMENPRESS: There is nothing unexpected in theadoption of the bill criminalizing the denial of the Armenian Genocideby France's Senate, it was an expected event, Alexander Tsinker,director of East European States & CIS Institute in Tel Aviv, toldArmenpress. He said Turkey's threats worth nothing. "These threats are of no danger for France. The same happened in2001 when France officially recognized the Armenian Genocide. Allthese threats lasted for one or two months. As to the opinion thatthe adoption of the bill is a pre-electoral step, it is not seriouseither. The number of Armenian and Turkish voters in France is almostthe same. You win half a million, you lose half a million. So, itis not an explanation. It is another step toward the internationalrecognition of the Armenian Genocide. The recognition process, though,moves forward slowly," Tsinker said. He also noted that in Israel the process of recognition of genocidemoves slower. "We should have been among the first to recognize thiscrime committed in the Ottoman Empire. But we are going to it veryslowly. But I am an optimist, and I think that this year certainchanges will be registered in the process of recognition of theArmenian Genocide by the Jewish state," Alexander Tsinker said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 WILL TURKS LEAVE FRANCE?Naira Hayrumyan Story from Lragir.am News:http://www.lragir.am/engsrc/comments24901.htmlPublished: 13:15:12 - 24/01/2012 Evidently, the penalization of public negation of the Armeniangenocide is France's affair rather than Armenia's. What does Francewant? Experts already say that Turkey is thus turned out of the "worldgovernment". Turkey has recently displayed too much initiative. Itinterfered and tried to mediate in every issue, though no one agrees,the Turkish press has been writing that Turkey holds a key role inworld politics. The great powers which are reluctant to share power,especially with Turkey which lives according to different civil ruleswould hardly like this. There is one more reason which is hidden in the complicated knot ofthe Western "multiculturalism". Last year, the leaders of leadingEuropean countries announced about the failure of multiculturalism. They were worried about the increasing population of non-Europeans inEurope rather than rejection of local laws and values by migrants. Theissue of demographic expansion is brought up more and more frequently. Perhaps, by passing the law, France hopes that the angry Turks willrecall not only their ambassador but also their numerous citizensliving in ghettos in France and Germany. Not only Turks but also manyother non-Europeans. This is a very difficult process, no universal approaches to theethnic issue has ever been worked out in the world. Multiculturalismwas considered progressive, that is the existence of all nations buton the condition that the "guests" will accept their rules. However,such elementary quotas as certain percentage of migration of peopleof one country or another can be acceptable and which is the limitbeyond which it is considered as demographic expansion. These issues are especially urgent in Russia and Vladimir Putinincluded the national issue as a key one in his election program. Inhis article in the Izvestiya, he speaks about the national issues,accusing Western "multiculturalists" of attempts to enable assimilationof migrants. At the same time, he notes that 80% of the populationof Russia are Russians, apparently hinting that other peoples cannotexceed 20% of the population of a country. This is a very difficult issue which requires a non-ordinary solution. Certainly, it is possible to carry out an ethnic cleansing, like Turkeyand Azerbaijan did, it is also possible to apply "ethnic divorce"during military conflicts, like it happened in Armenia and in Karabakhfrom where the entire Turkic-speaking population left. It is possibleto live in different quarters of the city, like in European Bosnia. But such methods cannot be applied everywhere. Multiculturalismwill be substituted by new instruments. The adoption of the law onthe Armenian genocide can be considered as the first application ofthese instruments. By the way, in this connection, after the Arabrevolutions, an opinion was expressed that the Arab population ofEurope received the right to return to their homeland. However,after the revolutions, no flow of Arab migrants has been noticed. Judging by all, the demographic expansion, though not voiced yet,is a serious issue for the European countries and Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 MICHAEL KAMBECK: ERDOGAN HYSTERIC - SHOULD HE RESIGN?by Michael Kambeck Noyan Tapan2012-01-25 The hysteria in Turkey over the French bill prohibiting the denialof the Armenian Genocide could hardly be more self-damaging or morerevealing. Readers of the official Turkish official statement of 24January will be struck by a tone unworthy of a strong and mature nationand rather be reminded of speeches of some of those Arabic leaders,who have recently been ousted by their people. France is allegedly "damaging the freedom of expression in a tactlessmanner", says Turkey, which has just today (25 January 2012) receivedanother condemning report from Reporters Without Borders for itsfurther weakening media freedom, dropping down to place 148 out of 178(France is on 38, Armenia on 75, Azerbaijan on 162). The French lawdoes the opposite of what the Turkish government claims. It protectsfreedom. France has, together with the country I know best, Germany,for many years had such laws against the denial of the Holocaust.. This has neither stopped researchers on this issue nor journalisticfreedom, even where journalists took views which I personally wouldfind inappropriate. But such laws DO protect against blatant hardlinersand their propaganda, who generally practice the politisation thatPrime Minister Erdogan so loudly condemns these days. He accusesSarkozy of fishing for Armenian votes, while omitting the largenumber of voters with a Turkish background but a French passport. TheArmenian Genocide has long been recognised by France, as by many otherEuropean states and the European Parliament. This has been done inview of overwhelming evidence, while in Turkey archives still remainclosed, documents still disappear and journalists writing about 1915,like Hrant Dink, face the opposite of freedom. The new French lawsimply brings the prosecution in line with the earlier recognitiondecision. The German Bundestag is allegedly considering a similar moveand should do so. The European ideal of tolerance needs intolerancevis-Á-vis intolerance. Genocide is the ultimate intolerance. Freedemocracies need to be strong in their defence against those who seekto undermine that freedom. While the law does not mention Turkey and President Sarkozy even senta conciliatory letter to the Turkish government, Erdogan's reactionwas a whole list of threats, calling the law "an unjust action,which disregards human values and public conscience"... "No oneshould doubt our Government's principled approach in this issue"the MFA refers to the announced retaliation measures. Such wordsdo not sound like the communication of a mature and proud nation,it sounds like a vexed child in a sand box, saying "He startedfirst!". Turkey kills its relations with France and blames Francefor it. Instead, Turkey would have had the chance to run a differentpolicy, even a very nationalistic one (which I would deem wrong butat least clever): Turkey could have opened the border with Armeniaand with that started a process of debating the issue, which nointernational player would have liked to interfere with. Turkeycould state, how ever they classify the "events of 1915", that thiswas during the Ottoman Empire and hence only indirectly concernsmodern Turkey. Turkey could have focussed on its national interestsby gaining support from the international community for securing adeal which limits possible Armenian damage claims and embarking on acourse of a genuine zero-problem-policy with its neighbours. Instead,that zero-problem-policy has visibly failed all around and Turkeyis today mainly known for being "loud". It destroyed its interestswith the EU and sends enraging and mobilising signals to the ArmenianDiaspora around the world and to its own minorities, especially tothe Kurds in its poorer East. All this has a high price for Turkey and all this has been dominatedneither by Turkey's Foreign Minister nor by the President. In theinterest of the Turkish nation, you would have to call upon PrimeMinister Erdogan to resign. And as even long-standing friends ofTurkey, like MEP and Turkey rapporteur Oomen-Ruijten, become publiclymore and more frustrated and critical, France and the EU seem tohave little to lose, as long as Mr Erdogan is in power. The onlylight comes from the Turkish intelligentsia, which means that civilsociety is today our best hope for saving Turkey's modernisation. *Dr Michael Kambeck is Secretary General of the Brussels based NGOEuropean Friends of Armenia (www.EuFoA.org). These views representhis own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 ARMENIAN GENOCIDE: DANGEROUS PITY Huffington Posthttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-badinter/armenian-genocide-dangero_b_1231888.htmlJan 26 2012 BY Robert Badinter.Ancien senateur et Garde des sceaux The law punishing the denial or outrageous minimization of the Armeniangenocide of 1915 has been adopted by the French parliament. In this pre-electoral period, the Senate has decided to reconsiderits earlier rejection of a text whose purpose was identical. Let ushope that the passage of this law by the French parliament will soothethe moral wounds that the Turkish authorities' obstinate refusal torecognize the Armenian genocide of 1915 has caused the victims. Iknow, from my own personal experience, how cruel negationism is forthe descendants of the victims of a genocide. But apart from thistherapeutic function, I believe this law will bring only difficulties,including those that will afflict the Armenian community itself. Let us suppose, for example, that a Turkish high official or specialistof public law questioned, in France, about the Armenian genocideshould offer the official Turkish version of events. The Armenianassociations will file suit in the French courts. The individualprosecuted will not fail to point out that the law is unconstitutionalas it conflicts with his liberty of opinion and expression, as basedupon the QPC (Priority Question of Constitutionality). In the debate,the Constitutional Council will necessarily be obliged to considerthe question of the constitutionality of the memorial law of 2001recognizing the Armenian genocide, as it has never been compelledto do so before. If, as a number of jurists, particularly the doyenVedel, who expressed his viewpoint in 2002, believe this law of2001 is tainted with unconstitutionality, both the memorial law of2001 and the current repressive law will disappear from our legalstatutes at the same time. This judicial boomerang will turn againstits authors. Law will prevail and take vengeance on politics. II. Parliament does not have the competence to dictate history, as wasexcellently expressed by Pierre Nora and the members of the Libertepour l'histoire association. Only totalitarian regimes acceptan official line of history, determined by the powers that be andimposed by the judge. French justice offers others means of condemningthose who would forge history, who fail in their scientific duty tointellectual honesty, rigor, and objectivity in their work. But itis not up to French legislators to put themselves in the place ofhistorians and judges by proclaiming, in a French law, that a crimeof genocide was committed in Asia Minor a century ago. Judicial authority is the only one competent to declare if a crimehas been committed and who its perpetrators are. Thus the Jewishgenocide by the Nazis was established by the International MilitaryTribunal at Nuremberg. This tribunal, in which French magistratesparticipated, was the result of the London Accords, signed by Francein 1944. The judgments of Nuremberg were considered res judicata,hence authoritative, in France. The same is true of crimes againsthumanity that occurred in ex-Yugoslavia and Rwanda and were judged byinternational criminal courts. No such thing exists for the Armeniangenocide of 1915, committed before the international community becameconscious of the moral imperative that butchers of humanity shouldnot go unpunished. But this mission is the duty of internationaljurisdictions, first of all the International Criminal Court. TheFrench parliament has no competence whatsoever in this respect andcannot set itself up as a universal judge, capable of proclaimingby French law the existence of crimes that, since they are historic,are in no way within the realm of their competence. III. This hubris on the part of the French parliament shall not fail toinspire reactions against France. First of all, in the internationaldomain. The Turks are a great people who play a great role,particularly in the Middle East. They are proud of their history,even though it bears the stains of crimes and exactions of all kinds,just like that of all conquering peoples. We can call upon the Turkishauthorities to go back over their history, as other European stateshave done. But to condemn (for that is the implicit meaning of thelaw of 2001) the Ottoman predecessors of a Turkish state that isour friend, to register this condemnation in our laws, this measureintended to soothe the pain of one will inevitably cause the furor ofothers. Since we're talking especially about Franco-Turk cooperationthat currently flourishes in university and cultural spheres, we arebound to feel the weight of Turkish resentment against this legislativeintrusion into an already long ago past. I do not know if the Turkish constitution allows the parliament tovote on laws concerning history, including that of foreign nations. Ifsuch is the case, we should prepare ourselves for a rejoinder onthe part of Turkish nationalist legislators proclaiming that Franceis the author of crimes against humanity committed in its formercolonies, especially in Algeria during the war of independence. Willwe protest that these tragic events do not concern Turkey? But whatdid the French parliament do with regard to her yesterday? Our longand tragic history should place us today on the side of internationaljustice. It does not qualify us to appoint ourselves the judge ofuniversal history and the moral conscience of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 'SPOTLIGHT' ON OBAMABy James Morrison The Washington TimesJanuary 25, 2012 Wednesday Armenian-Americans predict that Washington will be the next diplomaticbattlefield after the French Parliament approved a bill that wouldmake it a crime to deny that the Turkish massacre of Armenians duringWorld War I was genocide. "The spotlight is on President Obama," said Aram S. Hamparian,executive director of the Washington office of the Armenian NationalCommittee of America. Turkish-Americans, however, say the French bill will have no impacton the U.S. debate because France is "criminalizing thought," saidGunay Evinch, a former president of the Assembly of Turkish AmericanAssociations. The bill would impose a penalty of up to a year in jail and a fineof $57,000 for denying that the killings amounted to genocide -the deliberate attempt to eliminate an entire people. Mr. Hamparian criticized Mr. Obama Enhanced Coverage LinkingObama-Search using:Biographies Plus NewsNews, Most Recent 60 Daysforfailing to recognize the massacre of 1.5 million Armenians in theOttoman Empire as genocide. When he was a U.S. senator, Mr. Obama supported congressionalresolutions on the Armenian issue. As a presidential candidate in 2008,he promised Armenian-Americans, a small but powerful bloc, that hewould declare the massacre a genocide if he won the White House. "He supported legislation as a senator that he opposes as president,"said Mr. Hamparian, adding that Armenian-Americans will use the Frenchaction as leverage to get Congress to adopt an Armenian resolution. A House resolution is awaiting action in the House Foreign AffairsCommittee. A Senate resolution was sent to the Foreign RelationsCommittee last year, but Chairman John F. Kerry, MassachusettsDemocrat, took no action. Mr. Hamparian said he hopes that the Senate sponsors, Democrats BarbaraBoxer of California and Robert Menendez of New Jersey, will introduceanother resolution this year. He praised the French bill as a "very principled stand." Mr. Evinch said that Turkish-Americans see the French bill as anattempt to prohibit any independent research into the facts aboutthe Armenian massacre. Turkey disputes Armenian claims of 1.5 million deaths. It insiststhat about 500,000 Armenians were killed in an uprising during andafter World War I and that Turks and Kurds died at the hands ofArmenian rebels. Asked whether the French action would affect the debate in Washington,Mr. Evinch said, "I don't think so. ... It puts the issue in anegative light." "As an American," he added, "I can't envision criminalizing thought." In Turkey on Tuesday, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan denouncedthe French bill as "discriminatory and racist." Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu over the weekend threatenedFrance with "permanent sanctions" if the assembly adopted the bill. The Organization of Islamic Cooperation, which represents 57Muslim-majority nations, accused the French of approving the bill for"political and electoral gain" to win support from some 500,000 ethnicArmenians in France. "We reject this law and consider it to be inconsistent with historicalfact," the group said. French President Nicolas Sarkozy plans to sign the bill within twoweeks, his office announced in Paris on Tuesday, while Foreign MinisterAlain Juppe appealed to France's "Turkish friends" to stay calm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 This is the answer to these hypocrite articles by James Morrison in "The Washington Times" and "ARMENIAN GENOCIDE: DANGEROUS PITY" by Robert Badinter in "Huffington Post". The above two posts by me!Why is it that these SOB's don't write about the freedom of speech in turkey? LET GO OF FRANCE, WRITER IS TRIED IN TURKEY FOR SAYING "GENOCIDE" - TURKISH DAILY news.amJanuary 26, 2012 | 11:14 Turkey is accusing France for its bill that criminalizes the denialof genocides, including the Armenian Genocide, stressing that thisis a violation of the freedom of speech, but it disregards the factthat renowned Turkish writer Temel Demirer is currently being triedfor saying "genocide" in Turkey. In its article entitled, "Let go of France, look at Turkey," Tarafdaily of Turkey informs that the trial of Demirer is still continuing,and that he is being tried with the Turkish Criminal Code's infamousArticle 301. On the first-year anniversary of the murder of Hrant Dink-the founderand former chief editor of Istanbul's Agos Armenian weekly, who waskilled in 2007-Temel Demirer had stated that Dink was killed becausehe had said genocide was committed in this country (Turkey). "Yes, genocide was committed in this country," the Turkish writerhad said, and subsequently Prosecutor Levent Savas brought a caseagainst him on charges of "denying Turkish arguments." What is more, Turkey's Justice Minister asserted that Demirer willcontinue to be tried with Article 301, on charges of "degrading theRepublic of Turkey." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Little long but it's a good read! Taner Akcam's interview where he gives very clear cut answers to very difficult questions. AKCAM: GENOCIDE RECOGNITION IS ABOUT JUSTICE, NOT FREEDOM OF THOUGHTby Taner Akcam http://www.armenianweekly.com/2012/01/25/akcam-genocide-recognition-is-about-justice-not-freedom-of-thought/January 25, 2012 The following interview with Prof. Taner Akcam, the Robert Aram,Marianne Kaloosdian and Stephen and Marion Mugar Chair in ArmenianGenocide Studies at Clark University, appeared in Le Monde on Jan. 7. The interview was conducted by Guillaume Perrier. Below is theinterview in English. Taner Akcam Q. What is your opinion, not about the genocide deniallaw itself, but about the effects it can have on the debate amongintellectuals and civil society in Turkey? A. As the saying goes, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Although, in the short run, the French law has been very negativelyreceived in Turkey, I believe that in the long run, the effect willbe positive. Within its own borders, Turkey can try and continue tosuppress, and muzzle, and deny the truth, but internationally therewill be continual reminders (such as the French law) of an issue thatTurkey must confront and ultimately resolve. Even if one opposes this legal initiative, it shows that Turkey cannotescape by sticking its head in the sand. For this reason, the Frenchinitiative cannot be considered as a simple "law" in the technicalsense of the term for France. For better or worse, it has become partof the international campaign to recognize the Armenian Genocide. Turkey's hysteria, and anger, and temper tantrums will pass andsome of the negative developments that have occurred will be quicklyforgotten. What will remain is the heavy reality of a very seriousunresolved problem. Such an outcome will, I expect, support theposition of those intellectuals who assert that confronting andremembering history is strongly connected to the creation of ademocratic society. Regardless of France's ultimate aims or intentions, Turkish society andits educated classes are once again reminded that we need to resolvethis very fundamental issue. Some may object that "this should havehappened some other way," but if you don't solve your problems onyour own, often enough someone else will force a solution on you. That's the way it's always been in this world. Everyone has to realize this basic fact: On the subject of 1915,Turkey has followed a politics of purposeful amnesia and delayingtactics. Turkey has swept the issue under the rug, buried it andpretended it didn't exist, all in the hopes that everyone's memorywould be short and the whole thing would be forgotten. This is whatthey've been doing for about a hundred years. Every year after April 24th, the commentary in most of the dailynewspapers is something along the lines of "Whew, great, we gotthrough another year of this." With 2015 approaching, the tactic isthe same. They know the subject is going to be brought up, especiallyabroad, and everything is geared towards getting through 2015 withthe least amount of damage. That's why there's so much anger towardsFrance's law. Turkey is angry at being reminded. Such memory is aghost that has haunted them for decades. I've been dealing with the Armenian Genocide topic for many years now,but when it comes up with other Turkish intellectuals, I've alwayssensed a certain lack of interest, as if to say, "Where'd you come upwith this problem, anyway? Don't we have enough issues to deal with?" For them the subject has always seemed a bit unreal, inauthentic,and imposed from the outside. My international colleagues speak of my "courage" to pursue thissubject in the face of "threats and dangers" from Turkey. However,that has never really been my problem. My biggest challenge wasloneliness. I have had a hard time trying to explain the significanceof 1915 even to my closest friends in Turkey. In 1997, I wrote anessay titled, "Walking around like a leper in my own country." That'show I felt-like a leper, a pariah. It wasn't a matter of "fear" and"courage." What bothered me the most was their indifference, theirlack of interest, and the resulting alienation and loneliness I felt. When I'd depart from Turkey, since my flight usually took off ataround 5 a.m., I would stay up all night talking with Hrant Dink. Every one of those conversations revolved around our loneliness. Wefelt that no one seemed really interested in understanding andlistening to us. The question that we most often struggled with was,"How can we reach our friends and acquaintances so that they seejust how important this subject really is?" One of Hrant's biggestchallenges was isolation. In the end, his alienation by and from us,Turkish intellectuals, was a contributing factor in his murder. Hrant's death was a turning point. Turkish intellectuals took moreinterest in the events of 1915. We began to understand that 1915has even more to do with today than with the past. Gradually, theconnection between democracy-building and human rights, on the onehand, and remembering and confronting history, on the other, becameclearer and more acceptable across a broader swath of Turkish society. The civil-democratic activism that coalesced after Hrant's death playedan important role in this change. However, this emergent oppositionis still lacking in strength. I believe that we still need much moreexternal pressure. That is where the French law comes in. Q. Do you think international pressure is positive or negative onTurkey? Don't you fear it will lead Turkey to a more nationalist,defensive approach? A. I am reminded of an incident on Jan. 4 or 5, 2007. The prosecutor'soffice at Sisli, in an effort to put pressure on Hrant's legal defense,had targeted me for investigation because of an article in which I'dused the word "genocide." After giving the prosecutor my statement, Iheaded over to the Agos newspaper office. Hrant and I were chatting. Asin the past, he was criticizing France's initiatives. "Stop, Hrant," I told him. "If France weren't taking this initiative,no one here would be holding a microphone to your mouth. Don't forget,"I added, "the only reason people know who you are is because Francekeeps up this business with the law. If people outside the countryweren't doing this you'd have a lot of trouble finding anyone willingto listen to you." "You're right," he admitted. "The only time it's remembered is whenthere is outside pressure." This is something that the West needs to realize. It just isn'tpossible to change Turkey's position regarding the subject of 1915based solely on internal democratic opposition. Turkish democraticand civil society activists don't possess that kind of strength. Theassassination of Hrant Dink is evidence of this weakness. Today,there's a very genuine activist movement that goes by the name"Friends of Hrant" that has gained significant public support inTurkey, yet Hrant's real murderers still roam the country freely. Those countries that condone and enable Turkey's politics of denialfor their own economic, political, and strategic advantage shouldunderstand one thing: "Denial" is a structure. To understand whyTurkey continues to deny what happened in 1915, you should compareit with the racist regime of South Africa. The institutions, system,and mindset of apartheid were established upon racial differences, andthe denial of genocide is similar. By denying what happened in 1915,Turkey reproduces the institutions, social relations, and mindsetthat created 1915. Genocide denial goes beyond the defense of a former regime whoseinstitutions and mindset were realized as genocide in the past. Denialalso fuels a politics of continuing aggression, both inside andoutside Turkey, against anyone who opposes the denialist mentality. This is why Hrant Dink's actual murderers are still at large. Thisis why attacks are organized against Armenians and their memorialsin Europe. This is why in America campaigns of hate and hostilityare organized against me and other intellectuals. What should be clear to everyone is this: In Turkey, genocide denialis an industry. It is also a state policy of primary importance. TheNational Security Council, Turkey's highest constitutional authority,established in 2001 a Coordinating Committee for the Fight AgainstBaseless Claims of Genocide. All of the important ministries, includingthe Armed Forces, are represented on this committee, which is chairedby the vice prime minister. I repeat: Denying the genocide is one ofthe most important national policies of the Turkish state. You need to realize that you aren't just confronting a simple "denial,"but you're up against a "denialist regime." As long as Turkey continues this state policy of genocide denialthrough its institutions, relations, and mentality, Ankara will besensitive to external pressure. In fact, this pressure should beincreased. What happened in Libya and Syria needs to happen in Turkeyalso, with regard to genocide denial, even if the content and scopeof the pressure are different. If the West is serious about democracy in the Middle East, it cannotbuild democracy by supporting a denialist regime. Historical denial,both as institution and mindset, is probably the greatest stumblingblock to peace and democracy in the Middle East. Why do Christians,Kurds, and Arabs in Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq feel intimidated byTurkey? Why aren't they keen on Turkey's intervention for democracyand human rights? Because they see, in today's denialist regime ofTurkey, the Unionists' mentality that committed crimes against themin the past. The South African regime didn't collapse from internal pressure alone. The support of international public opinion was also very important. As long as the West allows Turkey's denialist politics to continue,genocide denial will go on. We are faced with the huge issue of how to prevent mass murdersand genocides in today's global community. To that end, the spacefor genocide denial in the international arena must be narrowed andultimately eliminated. Turkey's denial policy should be reconsideredwithin this perspective of prevention of genocide in the global world. Yes, it's always possible that external pressure may have negativeconsequences. History provides examples of this. We must remember notto go to extremes. If we take the position that external pressureis always bad, we play into the hands of dictators who would likenothing better than to perpetuate their crimes with impunity. Theapartheid regime of South Africa, Latin American dictatorships, andthe repressive Arab regimes have all taken this attitude. On the otherhand, if we say, "It doesn't matter what's going on internally, we'regoing to impose change from the outside," the most disgraceful exampleis the invasion of Iraq. So we need to stay away from either extreme. Instead of asking, "Yes or no to external pressure?", we should beasking, "What kind of external pressure?" The refusal to exert pressure is another position to be avoided. Forexample, the West (especially the U.S. and UK) have created their ownkind of "external pressure" model based on their own calculations. Forthe sake of perceived economic, political, and military strategicinterests, they turn a blind eye to a denialist regime. Their refusalenables Turkey to swagger, bully, and threaten other countries. Thismust stop. Turkey will not give up its denial policy without externalpressure. Actually, what I want is in Turkey's best interest. In the end,what outcome could be better than the creation of a society thatrespects democracy and human rights and that confronts its historywithout shame? I have a hard time understanding what could possiblybe negative about creating external pressure towards this end. Opponents will counter that external pressure is not motivated by adesire to bring democracy to Turkey. They will say that the West exertspressure in order to limit Turkey's power. Is there a grain of truth inthis outlook? Of course there is, but the remedy is simple: Don't letothers limit you. If you don't want them to use your faults againstyou, then correct those faults so they can't. Do your homework. Nocountry has ever been hurt by democracy or respect for human rights. I'm pushing 60 years of age, and by now, I'm sick and tired of these"external pressure" arguments. In the 1980's, Turkey's militaryregime was supported for the same reason and thousands of people werekilled, tortured, or thrown in jail. Turkish generals were like theWest's spoiled brats, killing as they pleased. They hated any kind ofpressure, didn't want anyone "meddling in their internal affairs." Thesame game is being played over the "denial of history." Moreover, the really important question isn't even "What kindof external pressure?" We must ask how this external pressurewill establish a healthy and positive relationship with theinternal democratization process. The biggest problem right now isincompatibility and lack of harmony. Positive communication channelsmust be created between Turkey's domestic, democratic opposition andthe world beyond its borders. Real dialogue has yet to be establishedbetween internal and external activist groups that must unite inorder to change the denialist regime. Looking at France, I can saythat what we have here is a dialogue of the deaf. I can't say whether France's indifference to Turkey's democraticopposition has anything to do with it, but the nationalist leanings ofTurkish intellectuals definitely play a role in this futile dialoguebetween parties who cannot hear each other. A very significant majorityof Turkish intellectuals still views any foreign initiative with agreat deal of suspicion and doubt. This attitude feels so natural tothem that unfortunately they have no idea that it springs from a deepwell of nationalist tendencies. Turkish national identity has from the beginning been defined inopposition to the "terrible West that wants to meddle with our internalaffairs from outside." Undoubtedly, when one looks at the history ofOttoman Turks, one can hardly claim that the West played a positiverole. However, the damage done by the West was not limited to meddlingwith the Ottomans for colonialist self-interest. On the contrary,the West committed a great error in not having interfered enough. Awhole series of Western interventions against the Ottomans throughoutthe 19th century were critically important in the formulation of whatwe now call international law. In other words, we need to re-examinethe idea that "all external pressure is wrong." During Turkey's bid for European Union membership, Turkishintellectuals and the society, in general, softened their stanceagainst "foreign interference." Turkish society understood thatoutside pressure, especially by the European Greens or some of theother left wing parties, was not motivated solely by malice. In fact,it was accepted as a positive influence. The same kind of acceptancemust be generated towards the concept of genocide recognition. In today's globally connected world, the whole idea of "external" and"internal" is very problematic. We must create a global awareness ofgenocides and their prevention without making these distinctions of"external" and "internal." Genocide denial and the struggle againstit are part of global democracy and human rights. You can't speak ofit as "external." Recognition is an issue relevant to all of humanity. Q. Since you published a Shameful Act, it opened a door in Turkey,there's been an evolution on the 1915 issue in Turkey. How do yousee the debate in Turkey? What's your opinion about the differentinitiatives that have appeared recently [April 24 commemorations,the ozur diliyoruz campaign, the conference in Diyarbakir]? Do youhope for eventual recognition of the genocide from Turkey? A. Turkey's domestic opposition should be taken more seriously. A groupof individuals are in the thick of an honorable struggle that trulydeserves more respect. Although Hrant Dink's death was a turning pointof sorts, they still don't receive enough international support orinterest. No one's asking them, "How are you doing? What do you need?" Even if the draft bill in France came to be as the product of differinginterests, even if it is disregarded, I wish those working for thelaw in France would ask Turkish grassroots activists what they thinkof such an initiative. I would like to see this as a starting pointfor dialogue. This channel of communication hasn't been opened andshould be built as soon as possible. A major reason the "bridge" hasn't been built is the complete lackof interest outside of Turkey, particularly by the Armenian Diaspora,in Turkey's growing democratization. Indeed, despite the pro-democracymovement's positive aspects and successes, the struggle within Turkeywill get nowhere on its own. The "denial coalition and industry"can't be changed by domestic pressure alone, but it can be defeatedif-and only if-the internal opposition joins forces with a harmoniousand balanced external pressure. Dialogue between Turkey's civil activists and the worldwide strugglefor "genocide recognition" is urgently needed. One reason it has yet tobe initiated is the decades-old mutual prejudices about ethno-religiousand other social attributes. Also, Turkey's civil activists have yetto appreciate the significance of genocide recognition within theirown democracy struggles. While Turkish activists perceive internationaldemands for genocide recognition as distractions or obstacles to theirown agenda, a large portion of the diaspora fails to appreciate thestrong bond between genocide recognition and democracy-building inTurkey. If anything, they tend to belittle and underestimate thisprocess. However, I don't want to lay too much blame on either side. In truth,the issue goes beyond mutual perceptions of malice or benevolence. Aneven deeper problem is actually that the sides are struggling fordisparate goals. Genocide recognition, in essence, is about justice, not freedom ofexpression or thought. A democratic or free society, such as Franceor the U.S., may still have unresolved historical injustices, forexample towards Algeria or Native Americans. Turkish civil societystill believes that its own problems are due to limitations on thefreedom of thought. Other goals, such as justice and confrontinghistory, are dismissed as unaffordable luxuries or deferred to someimaginary future. Hence the negative reaction to demands for simpletruth and justice. This is the dilemma that must be surmounted. Justice and confrontinghistory can be achieved only with the establishment of a free anddemocratic society. The campaign for "truth and justice" and themovement for "freedom and democracy" are not mutually exclusive, norshould they result in confrontation. Quite the contrary, they are, andought to be, inseparable goals. The demands of the diaspora and Turkishsociety must be brought together. The duty to build bridges betweenforeign and domestic civil activism is the most urgent thing right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Թուրքիայի առաջին տիկնոջ՝ Հայրունիսա Գյուլի կողմից Թուրքիայում օտարերկրյա դեսպանների կանանց պատվին տված ճաշկերույթին ներկա չի եղել միայն Թուրքիայում Ֆրանսիայի դեսպանի կինը։ Թուրքական Milliyet-ի փոխանցմամբ՝ Թուրքիայի նախագահի կինը չի հրավիրել Ֆրանսիայի դեսպանի կնոջը՝ արտահայտելով իր վերաբերմունքը Ֆրանսիայի Սենատի կողմից ցեղասպանությունների ժխտումը քրեականացնող օրինագծի ընդունման հետ կապված։ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Things start moving: French genocide bill changes reality around Turkey By NAIRA HAYRUMYANArmeniaNow correspondenturkey is not in a hurry to materialize its threats of economic sanctions against France, as it deems the law passed by the Senate of France criminalizing the public denial of the Armenian genocide is not yet a final decision by Paris. So says Turkey's Deputy Prime Minister Ali Babacan.Turkey has so far limited its actions to some demonstrative steps, showing what it can do if French President Nicolas Sarkozy signs the law, which is expected in the coming days. Immediately after the January 23 adoption of the law in the senate, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu went to Moscow, after earlier canceling his trip to Brussels. In the Russian capital, the top Turkish diplomat made a number of remarkable statements. First, it was stated there that trade between Russia and Turkey may reach a $100 billion mark over the next five years. Secondly, Davutoglu said that Turkey will not become a springboard for attacks on Iran. And before that, a Turkish minister who visited Moscow said that, along with Russia, Turkey is in favor of non-interference in Syrian affairs. Besides, an unprecedented joint statement was issued by the foreign ministers of Russia and Turkey on the Karabakh problem.Therefore Turkey tried to show that if pressure continues it will form an alliance with Russia and Iran, refusing to cooperate with the West. But, apparently, the West has not been deterred by this either. Experts do not even rule out that France is intentionally provoking Turkey into taking some drastic steps to abandon its allied services.Apparently, Turkey is also aware that her being an Islamic country and simultaneously a member of NATO sometimes does not satisfy the Western community. With the adoption of a bill criminalizing the denial of the Armenian Genocide France's Sarkozy, who is running for a second presidential term in spring, hopes to gain the support of not only ethnic Armenian voters, but also those of the far-right circles that suffer from Islamophobia and oppose Turkey's membership in the European Union, claimed Turkish Foreign Minister Davutoglu.The French Senate law criminalizing the denial of the Armenian Genocide, the discussions of an Armenian Genocide recognition bill in the Knesset of Israel and a possible adoption of such a law in the German Parliament show that the process of international affirmation of the 1915 Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Empire is unstoppable, said director of the Yerevan-based Center for Regional Studies Richard Giragosian. The Armenian genocide issue has been considered by Israeli parliamentarians for quite some time now. And recently a German parliamentarian said that discussions of the issue might soon begin also at the Bundestag. Director of the Yerevan-based Caucasus Institute Alexander Iskandaryan also believes that "the train of the Armenian Genocide recognition in the world has set off and it cannot be stopped." According to him, this event has changed the reality around Turkey and Europe's attitude towards Turkey.Director of the Institute of Political and Social Studies of the Black Sea-Caspian region Vladimir Zakharov said: "Now it is impossible to say that there was no Armenian Genocide as Turkey and Azerbaijan have tried to do it." He added that the adoption of such a law by one of the most influential countries will inevitably lead to a wave of other recognitions of the Armenian Genocide.The Armenian Genocide is, indeed, a subject being discussed internationally. Thus, British Prime Minister David Cameron, recently replying to the question of a Turkish delegate at the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe regarding the French criminalization of the Armenian genocide denial, said that appalling things were happening to Armenians and atrocities were committed against them. "Our position on the issue raised is clear. Appalling things happened to the Armenian people; appalling atrocities were committed. It is important to state that, but we have to live in the present," said the British prime minister, adding that the UK has a legislation making it possible to prosecute people for appalling war crimes.The French Senate's passage of the bill also appears to have inspired Armenian American lobby groups with greater optimism for a genocide resolution in the United States. Aram Hamparian, the Executive Director of the Armenian National Committee of America, the largest of such groups, earlier this week again urged U.S. President Barack Obama to honor his pledge to recognize the mass killings and deportations of 1.5 million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire as genocide. "The courageous vote by the French Senate shines the spotlight across the Atlantic, on American policymakers, who, for far too long, have let Ankara block U.S. recognition of the Armenian Genocide," said Hamparian http://armenianow.co...y_around_turkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Difference of Opinion: Clinton says US never to follow France’s example United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says her country will never do as France did on Monday, and criminalize genocide denial.“One of our great strengths is we do not criminalize speech,” the secretary told a public meeting on Thursday. “People can say nearly anything they choose, and they do, in our country. And so other countries, including close friends and allies like France, have different standards, different histories, but we are, I hope, never going to go down that path to criminalize speech.” Clinton also said the United States should not recognize the Armenian Genocide, explaining that it is a “historical” issue, rather than “political”.As Asbarez news points out, four years ago this week – while campaigning for president – Clinton called the 1915-23 history of events in Ottoman Turkey, “a clear case of genocide.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 ANALYSTS SAY TURKEY ON WRONG TRACK OVER ARMENIA GENOCIDE Ahram Onlinehttp://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/32964/World/Region/Analysts-say-Turkey-on-wrong-track-over-Armenia-ge.aspxJan 27 2012Egypt Analysts believe that Turkey can no longer escape its duty ofcontrition for the genocide, especially with the French Senate'slegislation for criminalising the denial of the 1915 massacre Turkey's attempts to intimidate France and other countries over thequestion of the Armenian genocide are bound to backfire, analystssaid as the 100th anniversary of the bloodshed approaches. "This negative and reactive strategy has failed, and no one is readyto admit it," said Cengiz Aktar of Istanbul's Bahcesehir University. "I hope that the authorities will think about it and come up with adifferent tack by the time of the 100th anniversary of the Armeniangenocide that is coming up" in 2015, said Aktar, an internationalrelations professor, using the term Ankara condemns. Hugh Pope of the International Crisis Group agreed, saying: "Thereare many people in Turkey that are worried about how Turkey is goingto handle the situation in 2015." He said Ankara should "get on a path of reconciliation with theArmenians so that they can be on the side of the people who aregoing to be remembering the lost communities of Armenians" in theanniversary year. The French Senate on Monday approved legislation under which anyonein France who denies that the 1915 massacre of Armenians by OttomanTurk forces amounted to genocide could face imprisonment. On Tuesday, Paris brushed off angry threats of retaliation by Turkeyand said the bill would become law in two weeks. Ankara has already halted political amd military cooperation and isthreatening to cut off economic and cultural ties. Bilateral tradetotalled some 11.7 billion euros ($15.4 billion) in 2010. The French chamber of commerce in Turkey, which has some 400 members,on Thursday expressed "great disappointment" over the bill, and calledon France's constitutional council to nix it. "Turkey is making more and more threats against France," wroteeditorialist Semih Idiz in the Milliyet daily. "But in a few weeks theissue will rear its head again in the US Congress. There are othercountries waiting in the wings. Will Turkey recall its ambassadoreach time?" he asked. "It's an absurd situation." Armenia and its diaspora in countries around the world have longcampaigned for international recognition of the killings as genocide,despite strong denials from Turkey. Armenians says that planned massacres and deportations left more than1.5 million people dead, but Turkey puts the number at up to 500,000,describing the bloodshed as civil strife stemming from the conflictwith Russia in World War I. Around 20 countries have officially recognised the killings asgenocide. The dispute is in addition to the conflict between Armenia andAzerbaijan, an ally of Turkey, over the Nagorny-Karabakh enclave. Ankara and Yerevan signed a historic protocol in 2009 to normaliserelations, but it was never ratified as Turkey demanded a resolutionto the Nagorny-Karabakh dispute . Armenian separatists backed by Yerevan seized Nagorny-Karabakh fromAzerbaijan in a war in the 1990s that left some 30,000 people dead,and the two sides have not signed a final peace deal since a 1994ceasefire. Turkey can no longer escape its duty of contrition for the genocide,said Soli Ozel of Istanbul's Kadir Has University "First and foremost it must express chagrin, and the Turkish statehas never done that," the international relations professor wrote inthe daily HaberTurk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Holocaust would not take place if Armenian Genocide was prevented:Jewish human rights defender 17:28, 28 January, 2012 YEREVAN, JANUARY 28, ARMENPRESS: The Holocaust would not take place ifthe Armenian Genocide was prevented, Jewish ombudsman, co-author of"Respect for Memory of Armenian Genocide Victims" book Serge Klarsfeldsaid in an interview with La Liberation French newspaper, citingHitler's well-known phrase - "Who remembers the Armenians now?" According to the scientist, only the fact that denial of the Holocaustis criminally punishable in France obligates to do the same in theissue of the Armenian genocide, Armenpress reports. In answer to the newspaper's question that, nevertheless, there arehistorians who do not consider the Armenian pogroms a genocide, SergeKlarsfeld said: "Very often historians themselves do not want to facethe history, but in this case nothing impedes to carry out seriousstudies." According to the human rights defender, in this way the FrenchParliament indicates a moral landmark in the field of politics."Hereafter judges will do their work not on the basis of history butlaw," said Serge Klarsfeld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Armenians in Russia should sign for State Duma to adopt billcriminalizing denial of Armenian Genocide news.amJanuary 28, 2012 | 22:50 MOSCOW. - Duty of every citizen of Russia of the Armenian descent isto sign under the call for the Russian State Duma to adopt a billcriminalizing denial of Nazi crimes and the Armenian Genocide in1915-22 in Turkey, head of Hamshen Armenian scientific information-cultural center Artavazd Tulumjyan said. `We had to raise the issue sooner or later,' he told YerkramasRussia-based Armenian newspaper. `We, as one of the hugest Armeniancommunities in the world, cannot stay aside. Since the process startedand increases, I believe it is the duty of every Armenian in Russia tosign under the call.' To note, the action was initiated by the Union of Armenians in Sochiand supported by Assyrians, Kazaks and Greeks in Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted January 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Ukrainian writer deems Genocide motion vital to justice restoration January 28, 2012 - 13:35 AMT PanARMENIAN.Net - French Senate's adoption of the bill criminalizingthe Armenian Genocide denial is a vital step towards restoringhistorical justice, a prominent Ukrainian author said. `France always showed proper respect for the Armenians and theArmenian Diaspora played a crucial role in the country. Hopefully,many states will follow France's suit,' Vasily Shklyar toldAnalitika.at.ua. On January 23, the French Senate passed the bill criminalizing theArmenian Genocide denial with 127 votes for and 86 against. To besigned into law within 14 days, the bill will impose a 45,000 eurofine and a year in prison for anyone in France who denies this crimeagainst humanity committed by the Ottoman Empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 SUPPORTERS OF ERGUN KIRLIKOVALI, IDIOT ARMENIAN GENOCIDE-DENIER, THREATEN TO PROTEST OUTSIDE WEEKLY OFFICES!By Gustavo Arellano OC Weekly http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/01/ataa_ergun_kirlikovali.phpFeb 1 2012CA You can write all sorts of damning things against individuals, yetit's the most innocuous words that hurt. I'll never forget last year,when I got a call from none other than Mark Weber, the head of theHolocaust-denying Institute for Historical Review, all upset thatI called him a "cockroach" in a post. I talked him down by pointingout that, like those insects, his kind had to hide from the public,a point he didn't dispute but then blamed on the Jews--kidding. (About the Jews part, at least. I think) Something must be in the water that denialists drink, because nowthe genocide deniers all bent out of shape are supporters of ErgunKirlikovali, current president of the Assembly of Turkish AmericanAssociations and the idiot who insists the Armenian genocide neverhappened. Any sane person would agree anyone who willfully denies the Armeniangenocide is an idiot--but it's that simple insight that has me inhot water with Kirlikovali's fans. Last Thursday, our receptionist told me that someone called threateningto occupy the Weekly's offices unless I met with them--somethingabout me insulting their leader. It finally dawned on me that theywere referring to this post, where I noted Kirlikovali was an idiot,mostly for having the ATAA whine that genocides should only be deemedas such by historians...then claiming France committed genocideagainst Algerians. Yesterday, Taylor found the angry message--roll the tape! CLICK HERE FOR THE HILARITY! Yes, angry man: Kirlikovali is an idiot. If you think the Armeniangenocide didn't happen, then you're an idiot, too. So is anyone whodenies it. Idiot. Idiot. Idiot. Feel free to protest outside our offices--just make sure to bring theraki and iskender kabob, as you might as well make yourself usefulfor something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 TOP FRENCH COURT ASKED TO WEIGH IN ON BILL MAKING IT A CRIME TO DENY ARMENIAN GENOCIDE Washington Posthttp://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/top-french-court-asked-to-weigh-in-on-bill-making-it-a-crime-to-deny-armenian-genocide/2012/01/31/gIQA3wjeeQ_story.htmlJan 31 2012 PARIS - France's Constitutional Council has been asked on Tuesday todetermine whether a bill concerning the mass killings of Armeniansa century ago violates the constitution. The bill makes it a crime to deny that the killings of some 1.5million Armenians by Ottoman Turks in 1915 constituted genocide. Turkey, which says there was no systematic campaign against Armenians,is strongly opposed to the bill and says relations with France willsuffer as a result. Turkey suspended military and economic cooperation after the lowerhouse approval of the measure in December. The Senate gave it thegreen light in late January. President Nicolas Sarkozy - who personally backed the bill - must signthe legislation for it to become law. However, the latest action willdelay the process. The Constitutional Council said groups of legislators have submitteda formal request that the body rule on the measure's constitutionality. It has up to a month to do so. Turkish officials welcomed the move. President Abdullah Gul said,"I hope the French court makes the right decision." Even within the French mainstream, the measure sowed divisions onSarkozy's right and on the rival left with some lawmakers expressingsome of the same concerns as Ankara, notably that denying the masskillings of Armenians nearly a century ago impinges on freedom ofexpression and legislates in a domain better left to historians. France's relations with Turkey are already strained, in large partbecause Sarkozy opposes Turkey's entry into the European Union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted February 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 THE POLITICS OF GENOCIDE Cleveland Jewish Newshttp://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/opinion/op-eds/article_864aaf50-4de5-11e1-a807-0019bb2963f4.htmlFeb 2 2012 ALAN S. ROSENBAUM Larry Derfner argues in an article in the Forward last month, withsome logical force, that for the Israeli Knesset at this time tosuddenly recognize the 1915-16 Armenian genocide at the hands of theOttoman Turks is inconsistent with Israel's past silence and smacksof political expediency. He suggests the government of Israel should continue its silence onthe death of over 1 million Armenians to avoid further antagonizingTurkey's Islamist government. The problem: If a calamitous truth like genocide is the truth, itshould always be officially acknowledged, especially by the Jewishstate of Israel, given the latter's intimate link to the genocide ofthe Holocaust. Many Israelis and other Jews would be incensed if a governmentor people were to be denied public validation of the historicalatrocities committed against them. They would likely insist on itsofficial recognition and mount a challenge to those who would denysuch clear, basic and important historical truths. Even the U.S. government has not been immune to politicalconsiderations often trumping momentous historical truths. Forexample, 126 Holocaust scholars, including this writer, placed afull-page ad in The New York Times (June 9, 2000) calling on Congressand Western democracies to officially resolve that the Armeniangenocide is incontestably true and that, as a successor government,the present government of Turkey ought to take moral responsibilityfor the genocide. To this appeal the Turks gave a decisive counterargument: that todo so would compel, among other things, Turkey's reconsideration ofAmerica's use of the Incirlik Air Base close to its border with Iraq. Congress and other countries caved to political or pragmatic pressure. Despite the then-candidate for president Obama's campaign pledge tothe contrary, the president continues the practice of non-recognitionin order not to disturb America's political relations with Turkey. To bolster Turkey's position, its penal code stipulates that"insults to Turkishness" will not be tolerated. This obviouslyelastic provision allows for the prosecution of individuals who"insult Turkishness" by publicly affirming that Turkey was to blamefor the Armenian genocide. Turkey's position is that what happened tothe Armenians was nothing more than a tragic massacre in the contextof the collapsing Ottoman Empire. Although many countries like Canada, Germany and Belgium have lawsagainst Holocaust denial, these laws are designed to prevent publicexpressions of anti-Semitism and divisive threats to Jews and tosocietal stability. Such laws tend to further affirm historical truthand universal respect for persons and are not used to deny historicaltruth, as is the case with Turkey. However, some argue that criminalizing "genocide denial," a move thatFrance may also soon take, is a step in the wrong direction. Theyclaim that it tends to short-circuit discussion and debate. Indeed, judicial findings may sometimes be used to advance certainhistorical truths and to apportion individual culpability. But thedifficulty with this argument is that some "issues" are, on principle,never open to debate. Namely, the victims of racism or anti-Semitismshould never be expected to defend their own moral equality aspersons. The persistent derogatory references to Jews in Europeancountries was a major contributing factor to the Holocaust. It issimply morally offensive to allow legitimacy of such talk. On the other hand, to place a mass atrocity's reality beyond legitimatedebate, it needs only good, sufficient evidence by authoritativesources, including trustworthy legal ones, like the findings ofthe Nuremberg Trials after World War II. Whether mass killingsamount to genocide is open for legitimate discussion. The identityof the perpetrators, the means used, body counts, where ultimateresponsibility lies, and context are all variables that should alwaysbe in play as freedom of expression should permit. That particularmass killings or genocidal events once established have occurred,as in the instance of the Armenians or the Jews, is not subject tolegitimate debate. Important historical realities like genocide should always beofficially respected so that moral and financial accountability andthe process of restorative justice are possible. To deny such historyonly invites repetition. It also serves to encourage the subversionof the truth in the name of pragmatic or political expediency. Alan S. Rosenbaum is a professor of philosophy at Cleveland StateUniversity and editor of the Third Edition of Is the Holocaust Unique? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Turkey bans French military aircrafts to enter its air space After French Senate passed a bill criminalizing the denial of Armenian Genocide, France started to carry out those sanctions declared earlier. Source: “Turkiyegazetesi.com” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Azerbaijan’s FM meets French senators opposing Genocide billhttp://media.pn.am/media/issue/92/245/photo/92245.jpgFebruary 7, 2012 - 19:33 AMTPanARMENIAN.Net - Azerbaijan’s Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov met with delegation of French senators headed by Nathalie Goulet. The delegation comprises senators having appealed to the Constitutional Court with a demand to abolish the bill criminalizing the Armenian Genocide denial. The delegation consist of senators Nathalie Goulet, Sylvie Goy-Chavent, Jean-Marie Bockel, Hervé Maurey, André Reichardt and Jeanny Lorgeoux. FM Mammadyarov stressed the importance of the visit for development of bilateral ties, noting that Azerbaijanis showed emotional approach to the Genocide bill passed by the French Senate, Azerbaijan Press Agency (APA) reported. On January 23, the French Senate passed the bill criminalizing the Armenian Genocide denial with 127 votes for and 86 against. Expected to be signed into law by President within 14 days, the bill will impose a 45,000 euro fine and a year in prison for anyone in France who denies this crime against humanity committed by the Ottoman Empire. Two separate groups of French politicians who oppose the legislation - from both the Senate and the lower house - said they had formally requested the constitutional council examine the law. The groups said they each had gathered more than the minimum 60 signatures required to ask the council to test the law's constitutionality. The council is obliged to deliver its judgment within a month, but this can be reduced to eight days if the government deems the matter urgent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted February 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 MORE TURKISH FREE SPEECH HYPOCRISYby Michael Rubin Commentary Magazinehttp://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/02/07/turkish-free-speech-hypocrisy/Feb 7 2012 The Swiss government has started an inquiry into a statement by EgemenBagıÅ~_, Turkey's minister for European Union affairs, in whichBagıÅ~_ stated that the Armenians suffered no genocide. According toa report in the Turkish press, BagıÅ~_ said, "There is no Armeniangenocide. Let them arrest me." Deputy Prime Minister Bekir Bozdagcommented on the incident, "Can't a minister of a country expresshis views speaking in another country? It's ridiculous." While I'm not in favor of laws restricting the speech, no matter howwrong the speaker, BagıÅ~_ and Bozdag's stand is rich consideringthat BagıÅ~_ - with the apparent blessing of Namik Tan, the Turkishambassador in Washington - tried to sue me into silence after I wrotea series of articles criticizing Turkish government policies. Turkishofficials believe in free speech for themselves, but seek to censorwhen speech is used to challenge their ideas. The reality today is that, despite BagıÅ~_ and Tan's best efforts,the only place Turks or Turkish analysts enjoy free speech is outsideof Turkey. Hence, as Jonathan noted yesterday, in order to defendfree speech, Kemal Kılıcdaroglu, the chairman of the RepublicanPeoples Party, the largest secular party in Turkey, took to the pagesof The Washington Post rather than a Turkish outlet. As Kılıcdarogluexplained: Turkey today is a country where people live in fear and are dividedpolitically, economically and socially. Our democracy is regressingin terms of the separation of powers, basic human rights and freedomsand social development and justice. Citizens worry deeply about theirfuture. These points are, sadly, reflected in most major internationalindexes, such as Human Rights Watch, which rank Turkey quite low interms of human rights, democracy, freedoms and equality. Just as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton embarrassed herself bylabeling Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad a reformer, President Obamaembarrasses himself by calling Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogana friend. Should Obama and Clinton embrace Turkey as a model forthe Arab Spring, then he is condemning another generation of Arabsto repression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 SARKOZY URGES TURKEY TO RESPECT ITS PARTNERShttp://www.armtown.com/img/photo/pan_en_20120208_92294.jpgFrench President Nicolas Sarkozy said that he shows great respect for Turkey, which should, in return, respect its partners. Meanwhile, the Armenian Diaspora has expressed discontent with some of the French ruling party members opposing the bill penalizing the Armenian Genocide denial, according to Turkish media outlets. "Some members of the ruling party demonstrate weird conduct on the threshold of the elections. It will become clear in the future whether they tricked us or not," one of the heads of the Armenian community in France Jules Harounian said. On January 23, the French Senate passed the bill criminalizing the Armenian Genocide denial with 127 votes for and 86 against. Expected to be signed into law by President within 14 days, the bill will impose a 45,000 euro fine and a year in prison for anyone in France who denies this crime against humanity committed by the Ottoman Empire. Two separate groups of French politicians who oppose the legislation - from both the Senate and the lower house - said they had formally requested the constitutional council examine the law. The groups said they each had gathered more than the minimum 60 signatures required to ask the council to test the law's constitutionality. The council is obliged to deliver its judgment within a month, but this can be reduced to eight days if the government deems the matter urgent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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