FRANCE URGES TURKEY TO RECOGNIZE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

[Yervant1]

Let me guess! Election in the air. What a spineless hypocrite. He has seen US presidents do it and get away with it every single time why not him. I guess this says a lot about us as well.

 

FRANCE URGES TURKEY TO RECOGNIZE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

 

Ynetnews

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4132548,00.html

Oct 7 2011

Israel

 

Published: 10.07.11, 11:44 / Israel News

 

French President Nicolas Sarkozy has urged Turkey to recognize the

1915 massacre of Armenians by Ottoman Turks as genocide. Sarkozy

told Friday's news conference in the Armenian capital that Turkey's

refusal to do so would force France to change its law and make such

denial a criminal offense.

 

The killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians under the Ottoman Empire

has been the main barrier to reconciliation with Turkey. Armenians

have long fought to persuade other governments to call the killings

a genocide. Turkey rejects the label and says the death toll is

inflated. (AP)

[Yervant1]

TURKEY INDIGNANT OVER SARKOZY'S STATEMENT ON ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

 

PanARMENIAN.Net

October 7, 2011 - 17:39 AMT

 

PanARMENIAN.Net - Turkey said France should "confront its colonial

past before giving lessons to others on how to face history," in

an angry response Friday, October 7, to a call by President Nicolas

Sarkozy for Ankara to recognize the 1915 Armenian Genocide.

 

Sarkozy, in Armenia Thursday, challenged Turkey - which is

seeking membership of the European Union - to face up to its past

and threatened to pass a law in France that would make denying the

Genocide a crime.

 

"Collective negation is a more serious problem than an individual one.

 

Unless Turkey follows the suit of other great nations in recognizing

the Armenian Genocide before yearend, France will take serious steps,

including criminalization of Genocide denial," Mr. Sarkozy said.

 

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told a news conference:

"Those who will not be able to face their own history for having

carried out colonialism for centuries, for treating foreigners as

second-class people, do not have the right to teach Turkey a history

lesson or call for Turkey to face its history."

 

Davutoglu said Turkey and Armenia "were working together on ways to

normalize ties and Sarkozy's comments would have a negative impact

on reconciliation efforts," Reuters reports.

[Yervant1]

ANKARA SLAMS SARKOZY FOR GENOCIDE RECOGNITION CLAIMS

 

Tert.am

07.10.11

 

Turkey's Minister for European Integration Egemen Bagish has slammed

French President's recent remarks on the Armenian Genocide recognition.

 

According to the Turkish news agency Cihan, Bagish has criticized

Nicolas Sarkozy for assuming the role of a historian.

 

"Both Europe and France, and the entire world would gain more benefits

if Sarkozy thought about the EU's future instead of acting as a

historian," the Turkish official said, characterizing the French

leader's move as a speculation ahead of his presidential campaign.

 

Visiting the Armenian Genocide memorial in Yerevan's Tsitsernakaberd

Park on Thursday, Sarkozy said his country would adopt the bill

penalizing the denial of the Armenian Genocide, in case Turkey refuses

to admit the historical fact.

[Yervant1]

"Armenian brothers" last time I checked Armenian was used as an insult in Turkey not brother. Lying SOB.

 

 

 

SARKOZY WOULD BETTER LOOK HIMSELF IN THE MIRROR - DAVUOGLU

 

Tert.am

07.10.11

 

The Turkish authorities keep slamming French President Nicolas Sarkozy

for statement on the Armenian Genocide.

 

According to Anadolu new agency, Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has

voiced strong criticism over Sarkozy's call for Genocide recognition.

 

Instead of urging Turkey to challenge its history, the French president

would better look himself in the mirror, Davutoglu said, addressing

Sarkozy's statement in Yerevan.

 

Davutoglu said the French leader's posture negatively affects the

Armenia-Turkey rapprochement.

 

"The countries which implemented colonial policies in the past and

whose authorities permanently kept aloof of the society, considering

citizens lower class representatives do not have the right to advise

Turkey to face its history," he said. "Turkey faces its history and

its past, so we do not have any problem with that. Our history shows

that the Armenians and Turks co-existed for centuries, living in

the same towns and districts, and even sharing the same culture. By

saying Turkish architecture, we also mean our Armenian brothers'

legacy in its development."

The Turkish official called on France to face its own history to

promote world peace.

 

Earlier, Turkey's EU Integration Minister Egemen Bagish had criticized

Sarkozy's statement.

[Boghos]

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkey-to-protest-france-over-8216genocide8217-remarks-2011-10-07

Diplomatic tensions hit Franco-Turk ties

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Sevil Küçükkoşum

ANKARA – Hürriyet Daily News

 

 

France’s President Nicolas Sarkozy (L) and Azerbaijan’s President Ilham Aliev speak, next to Azerbaijan’s first lady Mehriban Aliyeva ®, on the balcony in Baku. AFP photo

Relations between Turkey and France could be headed for a new crisis after French President Nicolas Sarkozy suggested his government could pass a bill criminalizing any denial of Armenian genocide claims, drawing a swift reaction from Ankara.

 

Turkish Ambassador to Paris Tahsin Burcuoğlu will visit the French Foreign Ministry on Oct. 8 to lodge Ankara’s protest regarding Sarkozy’s comments, the Hürriyet Daily News has learned.

 

The development came on the same day the interior ministers of Turkey and France signed an important agreement on the fight against terror and organized crime, but the deal has been overshadowed by the eruption of the diplomatic crisis.

 

Sarkozy, who is currently on a Caucasus tour, visited Armenia on Oct. 6 and urged Turkey to “revisit its history” over the killings of hundreds of thousands Armenians during the waning days of the Ottoman Empire.

 

If Turkey does not recognize the genocide claims and step toward reconciliation, the French president said he would consider proposing the adoption of a law criminalizing the denial of the killings as genocide. An earlier attempt by the French government was rejected by the French Senate in 2009.

 

Sarkozy intimated that Turkey should make the recognition before the end of his mandate in May next year.

 

France should face on past, Ankara says

 

Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu instructed Burcuoğlu to express Ankara’s feelings and opinions in a strongly worded message to his French counterpart.

 

Alongside the diplomatic protest, senior members of the Turkish government harshly criticized Sarkozy’s stance and urged France to confront its colonial past before giving lessons to others.

 

“Those who will not be able to face their own history for having carried out colonialism for centuries, for treating foreigners as second-class people, do not have the right to teach Turkey a history lesson or call for Turkey to face its history. It will be very beneficial if France confronts its own history, particularly with African nations,” Davutoğlu told reporters Oct. 7.

 

Turkey could face its own history, but it is also a history of Turks and Armenians living together, Davutoğlu said.

 

“I consider such remarks [by Sarkozy] as political opportunism, and unfortunately such political opportunism is seen in Europe whenever there is an upcoming election,” Davutoğlu said.

 

Turkish EU Minister Egemen Bağış also criticized Sarkozy, saying the president would do better to concern himself with extricating France from its economic crisis rather than play historian on the Armenian question. “Our mission, as politicians, is not to define the past or past events. It is to define the future,” he was quoted as saying by Anatolia news agency during a visit to Sarajevo.

 

‘Turkey does not belong in EU’

 

During his visit to Tbilisi on his tour, Sarkozy reiterated his opposition to Turkey’s accession to the European Union. “France does not see this country [Turkey] in the EU,” he said.

 

“Turkey has an important role in the world as it has been located in Asia Minor and is a bridge between West and East. But this role [of Turkey] does not cover the EU,” he said.

 

In the last leg of his Caucasus tour, Sarkozy visited Azerbaijan, a close ally of Turkey, from where he received a cold shoulder for his views on the genocide claims.

 

Ali Hasanov, a senior official at the Azerbaijani Presidency, said his country did not share Sarkozy’s views on the 1915 incidents, Anatolia reported.

 

Recalling that Turkey and Azerbaijan’s regional interests were similar, Hasanov said they hoped Sarkozy’s visit would help speed up efforts to solve the Nagorno-Karabkh dispute with Armenia.

 

Friday, October 7, 2011

[Yervant1]

Sarkozy sought to win Armenians' sympathy ahead of presidential race - Komersant

13:03 - 08.10.11

 

 

(Photocredit A1plus)

 

French President Nicolas Sarkozy's visit to Yerevan can be

characterized as nothing more than an attempt to gain the

French-Armenians' sympathy ahead of the presidential election in

France, a Russian analyst has said.

 

In an interview with the Komersant newspaper, Sergei Strokan spoke of

Sarkozy's diminishing popularity in France, considering his visit to

Yerevan an important part of his South Caucasus tour.

 

"Nicolas Sarkozy, whose reputation has dropped to 26% and who is going

to struggle for re-election in next year's presidential campaign,

began a tour to the South Caucasus, with the visit to Yerevan being a

key element of his initiative. And the most important thing for him

was to win the votes of the Armenian Diaspora," he said, adding that

the French leader's recent statement on the Armenia genocide was

mostly targeted to the electorate in his country, rather than Armenia

and Turkey per se.

 

As for the Turkish authorities criticism over the statement, the

expert noted that Sarkozy urges Turkey to do something that his

country has not implemented so far.

 

"As a matter of fact, the topic of the Armenian Genocide is very

complicated and ambiguous," Strokan said, emphasizing that France has

not fully acknowledged the Genocide. "The lower house of the French

parliament has recognized the fact of the Genocide, but the upper

house has not done so. So Sarkozy is calling on Turkey to do something

his country has not fully implemented so far."

 

Asked whether Sarkozy managed to gain the sympathy of Yerevan, he

said: "He did win the sympathy of Yerevan but let me note that his

principal target was the voter. But the latter's response will be

moderate as the French electorate is sensible enough to be cheated

easily."

 

 

 

Tert.am

[Arpa]

Serge Sarkizy for president of France and Nicoghos Sarkozian president of Armenia. Edited October 9, 2011 by Arpa

[gamavor]

Serge Sarkizy for president of France and Nicoghos Sarkozian president of Armenia.

 

 

Very creative of you Arpa:) If they can switch....lets say for a period of one year, or better for 10 years.

[Yervant1]

Huffington Post

Jan 3 2012

 

 

On the Armenian Genocide: The Response of a Handful of Historians

 

Bernard-Henri Lévy.French philosopher; Writer

 

Are these people really incapable of comprehending? Or are they just

pretending not to understand?

 

The law whose purpose is to penalize negationist revisionism, voted

before Christmas by the French parliament, does not propose to write

history in the place of historians. And this for the simple reason

that this history has been told and written, well written, for a long

time. This we have always known: that, beginning in 1915, the

Armenians were the victims of a methodic attempt at annihilation. A

wealth of literature has been devoted to the subject, based in

particular upon the confessions offered by the Turkish criminals

themselves, starting with Hoca Ilyas Sami, almost immediately after

the fact. From Yehuda Bauer to Raul Hilberg, from researchers at Yad

Vashem to Yves Ternon and others, no serious historian casts doubt

upon this reality or denies it. In other words, this law has nothing

to do with the will to establish a truth of state. No representative

of the French National Assembly who voted for it saw himself as a

substitute for historians or their work. Together, they only intended

to recall this simple right, that of each of us not to be publicly

attacked -- and its corollary, the right to demand reparations for

this particularly outrageous offense which is the insult to the memory

of the dead. It is a question of law, not one of history.

 

Presenting this law as one that denies liberty, one likely to hamper

the work of historians is another strange argument that makes one

wonder. It is the negationist revisionists who, up until now, have

hampered the work of historians. It is their mad ideas, their

hare-brained concepts, their twisting of facts, their terrifying and

breathtaking lies that shake the earth upon which, in principle, a

science should be built. And in punishing them, making their task more

complicated, alerting the public that it is dealing not with scholars

but with those who would enflame minds, that the law protects and

shelters history. Is there one historian who has been prevented from

working on the Shoah by the Gayssot law punishing denial of the

Holocaust? Is there one author who, in good conscience, can claim that

it has limited his freedom to do research and to raise questions? And

isn't it clear that the only ones this law has seriously hindered are

the Faurissons, the Irvings, and the other Le Pens? Well, the same

applies to the genocide of the Armenians. This law, when the Senate

will have ratified it, will be a stroke of fortune for historians, who

can finally work in peace. Unless... Yes, unless those who oppose the

law express this other, cloudier reservation: that it would be a bit

premature to come to a conclusion, precisely and for nearly a century,

of "genocide".

 

Some still say, isn't there some other way than the law to intimidate

the "assassins on paper"? And hasn't the truth in itself, in its

starkness and its rigour, the means to defend itself and to triumph

over those who would deny it? It is a vast debate, one which has been

discussed, in parenthesis, since the origins of philosophy. And to

which one adds, in the case at hand, a specific parameter stating

that, when in doubt, it is prudent to make sure one is backed up by

the law. This parameter is the negationist revisionism of the Turkish

State. And this specificity is that the negationists there are not

just a vague bunch of cranks, but people who are supported by

resources, diplomacy, the capacity for blackmail and retaliation of a

powerful State. Imagine the situation of the survivors of the Shoah

had the German State been a negationist State after the war. Imagine

the immensity of their additional distress and anger had they been

confronted, not with a sect of loonies, but with an unrepentant

Germany that brought pressure upon their partners by threatening them

with angry retaliation should they call the extermination of the Jews

at Auschwitz genocide. It is, mutatis mutandis, the situation of the

Armenians. And that is also why they have the right to a law.

 

And finally, I would add that it's time to stop mixing everything up

and drowning the Armenian tragedy in the ritualized blahblahblah

assailing the "memorial laws". For this law is not a memorial law. It

is not one of those dangerous power plays capable of laying the path

for dozens if not hundreds of absurd or blackguardly rules, codifying

what one has the right to say about the Saint Bartholomew's Day

massacre, the meaning of colonization, slavery, the Civil War, the

misdemeanor of blasphemy and heaven knows what else. It is a law

concerning a genocide -- which is not the same. It is a law

sanctioning those who, in denying it, intensify and perpetuate the

genocidal act -- which is something else entirely. There are not,

thank God, hundreds of genocides, or even dozens. There are three.

Four, if we add the Cambodians to the Armenians, the Jews, and the

Rwandans. And to place these three or four genocides on the same level

as all the rest, to make their penalization the antechamber of a

political correctness that authorizes a stream of useless or perverse

laws on the disputed aspects of our national memory, to say, "Watch

it! You're opening a Pandora's box from which everything and anything

can pop out !" is another imbecility, exacerbated by another infamy

and sealed with a dishonesty that is, really, grotesque.

 

Let us confront this specious line of argument with the wisdom of

national representation. And may the senators complete the process by

refusing to be intimidated by this little band of historians.

 

 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bernardhenri-levy/on-the-armenian-genocide-_b_1181758.html?ref=yahoo&ir=Yahoo

[Yervant1]

Public Radio, Armenia

Jan 4 2012

 

 

French Senate to vote on Armenian genocide law this month

04.01.2012 16:42

 

France's upper house of parliament will vote this month on a bill to

outlaw denial of the Armenian genocide, a government official told

AFP, despite a furious diplomatic spat with Turkey.

 

The French lower house approved the law last month, threatening anyone

who denies that the 1915 massacre of Armenians by Ottoman Turk forces

amounted to genocide with jail, drawing a threat of sanctions from

Turkey.

 

Ankara froze political and military ties with France when the bill was

passed by the National Assembly, and has threatened further measures

if it continues through the Senate or is approved by President Nicolas

Sarkozy.

 

France recognised the killings as a genocide in 2001, but the new bill

would punish anyone who denies this with a year in jail and a fine of

45,000 euros.

[Yervant1]

Minutes ago the French senate approved the genocide denial bill and it will be a law when Sarkozy signs it.

[Yervant1]

French senate backs Armenia genocide bill

 

 

PARIS | Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:34pm EST

 

PARIS (Reuters) - France's upper house of parliament approved a bill on Monday that would make it a criminal offence to deny genocide, legislation that has caused tension between Paris and Ankara.

 

The bill, which was approved by the lower house in December, has triggered outrage in Turkey as it would include the 1915 mass killing of Armenians in Ottomon Turkey.

 

The text will now be put to President Nicolas Sarkozy who should approve it before parliament takes a break at the end of February ahead of the presidential election.

 

(Reporting By John Irish)

[MosJan]

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hognel em .... im tsav@ im azgi xndir@ urishneri dzerqin xaghaliq lineluts...

 

chnayats Shnits MAz Pokeln el oguta

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«Զարթնիր լաո, մեռնիմ քզի» Ֆրանսիա Սենատ

 

Ցեղասպանության ժխտողականության պատժամիջոցի օրենքը ընդունելուց անմիջապես հետո

Devant le Senat, adoption de la loi pénalisant la négation du génocide arménien.

 

Ֆրանսիայի հայ համայնքի ներկայացուցիչները ակցիա էին կազմակերպել Սենատի շենքի առջեւ: Նրանք իրենց աջակցությունն էին հայտնում Ցեղասպանությունների ժխտումը քրեականացնող օրինագծին: Այս մասին NEWS.am-ի թղթակցի հետ հարցազրույցում հայտնեց Ֆրանսիայի Ռոն-Ալպեր տարածքային պատգամավոր Հիլդա Չոբոյանը: Նրա խոսքով՝ ակցիային մասնակցում էին թե՛ Ֆրանսիայի հայ համայնքի անդամներ, եւ թե Ֆրանսիայի այլազգի քաղաքցիներ: «Նույն տարածքում, միայն թե շենքի հակառակ կողմից բողոքի ակցիա էին կազմակերպել թուրքերը, բայց նրանք, շատ քիչ քանակությամբ մարդկանց էին կարողացել համախբել»,- ասաց նա:

 

Ըստ Չոբոյանի՝ օրենքի նախագծի ընդունումը մեծ ոգեւորությամբ ընդունվեց համայնքի կողմից, եւ մինչեւ այժմ հատկապես երիտասարդները տոնում են այդ պատմական օրենքի ընդունումը Սենատի մոտ:

 

Անդչադառնալով՝ օրենքի ընդունման կարեւորությանը, հայազգի պատգամավորը նշեց, որ դա ամբողջ աշխարհում ապրող հայերի հաղթանակն է: «Ես կարծում եմ, որ բոլոր այն եվրոպական երկրները, որոնք ընդունել են Հայոց ցեղասպանությունը, պետք է հետեւեն Ֆրանսիայի օրինակին, եւ քրեականացնեն դրա ժխտումը»,- ընդգծեց Չոբոյանը՝ ավելացնելով, որ այս օրենքի ընդունումը դրականորեն կազդի Թուրքիայում խոսքի ազատության իրավիճակի վրա: «Ես վստահ եմ, որ արդեն մի քանի տարի հետո Թուրքիայում մարդիկ կարող են ավելի ազատորեն խոսել Հայոց ցեղասպանության մասին, քան այժմ: Այն տաբուն, որ այժմ առկա է Թուրքիայում այս թեմայի նկատմամբ, թուլանում է»,- նշեց նա:

 

Ինչպես արդեն հայտնել է NEWS.am-ը Ֆրանսիայի Սենատը մոտ ութ ժամ տեւած ծանր քննարկումներից հետո 127 կողմ եւ 86 դեմ ձայներով ընդունեց այդ երկրի կողմից ճանաչված ցեղասպանությունների ժխտումը քրեականացնող օրինագիծը: Նշենք, որ դեկտեմբերի 22-ին Ֆրանսիայի Ազգային ժողովը ընդունել էր Հայոց ցեղասպանության մերժումը քրեականացնող օրենքը:

 

Ըստ կանոնակարգի՝ Ֆրանսիայի նախագահը 15-օրյա ժամկետում կհաստատի այն: Նա իրավունք ունի նշված ժամկետում նաեւ խնդրել խորհրդարանին վերանայել օրենքը, կամ դրա առանձին կետեր:

[MosJan]

Passed: French Senate outlaws Armenian genocide denial

 

 

The Senate of France on Monday voted in favor of criminalizing any public denial of the Armenian Genocide committed by Ottoman Turks at the beginning of last century.

 

The vote at the 348-member upper house of the French legislature went 127-86 in favor of the bill – which had gained international attention and sparked controversy since it was passed by the National Assembly, the lower house, in December. The lawmakers deliberated 7 hours beforing delivering the vote at around 1:30 a.m. Tuesday (10:30 p.m. in Paris).

 

The new law makes genocide denial by subjects of France punishable by up to a year in prison and 45,000 euro (about $58,000). At present, the law awaits enactment by President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose right-wing UMP party had put forward the bill that also won the backing of the Socialists.

 

Thousands of French Armenians and Turks reportedly held rival pickets near the Senate building in Paris ahead of the vote.

 

Yerevan predictably hailed the French move, while Ankara earlier warned it would sever all ties with France that had already stayed 'frozen' following the December 22 approval of the bill by French lawmakers.

 

"We have previously determined the steps to be taken if the bill is finally adopted. No one should doubt it," said Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, according to Turkey's state-run Anatolia news agency.

 

Meanwhile, France sought to allay Turkey's ire, appealing for calm. "Turkey is a very important partner and ally of France," said French Foreign Ministry spokesman Bernard Valero.

 

French-Turkish relations once already plunged into a crisis in 2001 when lawmakers in Paris passed a legislation recognizing the Ottoman-era mass killings and deportations of 1.5 million Armenians as genocide. The political, trade and military links between the two countries recovered shortly amid some lingering differences, including French opposition to Turkey's bid to join the European Union

[MosJan]

shutov canadan nuynpes knduni... isk USA - iren Eshi tegha drel... hech TAndzin el chi ..

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http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/23/world/europe/turkey-france-genocide-bill-q-and-a/index.html?hpt=wo_c2

 

 

 

How will Armenian genocide bill affect France-Turkey relations?

 

 

 

(CNN) -- Turkey's fraught relationship with France is set to erode further as the French Senate prepares to vote on controversial legislation that would criminalize any public denial of what the bill calls the Armenian genocide in Ottoman Turkey in 1915 -- a description Turkey has rejected.

 

Under the legislation, anyone denying the deaths were genocide would face a jail term and a fine of €45,000 ($58,000).

 

The lower house of French parliament passed the so-called Armenian genocide bill last December, prompting Turkey to recall its ambassador from Paris and to cancel certain bilateral visits between the countries.

 

What do Armenians say allegedly happened in 1915?

 

Armenian groups and many scholars argue that starting in 1915, Turks committed genocide, when more than a million ethnic Armenians were massacred in the waning days of the Ottoman Empire.

 

The Turkish-Armenian controversy over the killings that took place last century has reverberated wherever diaspora communities representing both groups exist.

 

What does Turkey say happened in 1915?

 

Modern-day Turkey, which emerged after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, has always denied a genocide took place in 1915. It argues instead that hundreds of thousands of Armenian Christians and Muslim Turks died from intercommunal violence, disease and general chaos -- not from a specific plan to eliminate Armenians -- around the bloody battlefields of World War I.

 

"It has always been a sensitive issue," said Dr. Katerina Dalacoura, a lecturer in International Relations at the London School of Economics. "Turkey has always refused to accept that it was a planned event. They argue that genocide only applies if it was a plan to exterminate people."

 

Why is France doing this now?

 

France formally recognized the killings as genocide in 2001.

 

As there is no new information or new recognition about what the facts are about events of 1915, some experts believe French President Nicolas Sarkozy may be using the genocide bill for political gain ahead of the country's presidential election in April.

 

"It's clear that President Sarkozy has put this on the table for electoral reasons - there is an Armenian community in France which will of course be voting," Christian Malard, Senior Foreign Analyst at France 3 TV, told CNN on Monday.

 

The bill has been applauded by Armenians, roughly 500,000 of whom live in France.

 

The bill's author, Valeri Bouyer from Sarkozy's ruling party, has denied any political motivation.

 

As for Sarkozy, he has said his country doesn't need an OK from another nation to develop its policies. In a letter to the Turkish government, he said the law is not aimed at any country, but only at addressing past suffering.

 

What is the public opinion in Turkey regarding the Armenian massacre?

 

Using the word genocide when talking about Armenia may not be as taboo as it once was, but Turks still chafe at the idea of other countries writing their history, says Domino Hakura, Turkey Analyst at Chatham House, a London-based think tank.

 

"Things have been progressing, but the population does not like foreign powers defining their history," he said. "It generates a lot of misgivings."

 

How would passage of the genocide bill affect Turkey-France relations?

 

If the French Senate ratifies the bill, ties between the two countries could unravel further.

 

Turkey already recalled its ambassador from Paris and cancelled some bilateral visits between the two countries after the French lower house passed the bill in December, and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned "this is only the first phase."

 

Erdogan has also accused France of committing its own genocide during the war in Algeria in the 1950s and 1960s.

 

"In Algeria, an estimated 15 percent of the population had been subjected to the massacre of French from 1945 on. This is genocide," Erdogan said at a conference in Istanbul last year.

 

"Algerians were burnt en masse in ovens. They were martyred mercilessly. If French President Mr. (Nicolas) Sarkozy does not know about this genocide, he should ask his father Paul Sarkozy. His father Paul Sarkozy served as a soldier in the French legion in Algeria in 1940s."

 

Once under French colonial rule, guerrillas in the North African nation fought a bloody war against the French presence there from 1954 to 1962.

 

The French Foreign Ministry shot back at Erdogan's comments, saying "we deplore excessive use of formulas and personal attacks that do not meet up to the standards of our mutual interest and of our relations. France recalls that it assumes with clarity and transparency its duty to remember the tragedies that have marked its history."

 

Erdogan said he hoped the Senate would fail to pass the so-called Armenian genocide bill. But he warned that if it did, Turkey would initiate more measures toward France.

 

"This will create a lot of noise and difficulty in Turkey's overall relationships with France and other EU states that will complicate" Turkey's efforts to gain accession to the European Union, said Ross Wilson, a former U.S. ambassador to Turkey.

 

Turkey and France are NATO allies, and, according to official Turkish statistics, the volume of trade between Turkey and France from January to the end of October this year was more than $13.5 billion.

 

Do any countries recognize the killing of Armenians in Ottoman Turkey in 1915 as genocide?

 

Twenty countries do, including Germany, Sweden and Canada, according to Hakura.

 

The genocide debate is an annual source of tension between Turkey and the United States, also two NATO allies. The White House, for example, annually beats back efforts in Congress to pass a resolution which would formally recognize the 1915 massacre of Armenians as genocide.

 

CNN's Izzy Lemberg and CNN Wires contributed to this report.

 

 

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z@zveli e yes es

What do Armenians say allegedly

barits kataghum em, to iy phthir utogh qez ova tuyl tvel es dzevov im azgi maisn xoseq

 

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GERMANY, TOO, MUST RECOGNIZE ITS RESPONSIBILITY IN ARMENIAN GENOCIDE - GERMAN MP

 

news.am

January 24, 2012 | 11:02

 

YEREVAN. - Annette Groth, German MP and head of the Left Group (Die

Linke) at the German Bundestag's (Parliament) Committee for Human

Rights and Humanitarian Aid, gave comments to Armenian News-NEWS.am

concerning France's bill that criminalizes the denial of genocides,

including the Armenian Genocide.

 

"Die Linke is trying in every way to contribute to the democratization

of Turkish policy and the reconciliation between Armenia and Turkey.

 

The Group criticizes the Turkish government's demeanor with respect to

the Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Empire. Reconciliation between

the two countries will be difficult without justice. It is important

for Die Linke that the German Bundestag likewise recognize the German

Empire's responsibility in the Armenian Genocide issue. We believe

Germany must apologize for the assistance in, and the deliberate

permission for, the Genocide. Turkish society's critical revision of

history is an important prerequisite for today's Turkey to be able

to conduct another policy in the minorities' issue. We are convinced

that Turkey's acknowledgment of the Armenian Genocide is the primary

important condition which will contribute to the development of

democratic traditions and learning of lessons from history," Annette

Groth specifically said.

 

To note, with a vote of 127 in favor and 86 against, France's Senate

passed Monday the bill that criminalizes the denial of the genocides

which this country has formally recognized. And these are the Armenian

Genocide and the Jewish Holocaust. This bill sets a one-year prison

sentence plus a 45-thousand-Euro fine for anyone who denies these

genocides. According to the regulations, the French President will

ratify it within fifteen days. And Turkey had announced earlier

that if the bill were to pass, it will impose a number of sanctions

against France.

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ANCA CALLS ON OBAMA TO HONOR HIS PLEDGE TO RECOGNIZE THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

 

armradio.am

24.01.2012 11:32

 

Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) Executive Director Aram

Hamparian offered the following comment on the France Senate passage

of the Genocide Law today:

 

"Today's courageous vote by the French Senate shines the spotlight

across the Atlantic, on American policymakers, who, for far too long,

have let Ankara block U.S. recognition of the Armenian Genocide."

 

"The growing international pressure on Turkey and, closer to home, the

recognition of the Armenian Genocide by 42 U.S. states, highlight that

President Obama, who promised as a candidate to recognize the Armenian

Genocide, has allowed a foreign country to impose a gag-rule on U.S.

 

recognition of this crime against humanity."

 

"We mark this occasion by urging President Obama to honor his pledge

to recognize the Armenian Genocide and by calling on the U.S. House

leadership to allow a vote on the Armenian Genocide Resolution,

H.Res.304."

[AniIOOI]

Here’s my own point of view:

 

Well, I didn’t feel happy even not honored, as it’s obvious the personal gains for such games!

 

And what was driving me crazy, the way they were talking about the issue, by putting the reality of the Genocide under suspect, thinking about respecting the liberty of expression, as if it’s a theory!!!!!

 

Anyhow, we keep concentrating ALL of our power and time on such issues, related to the other countries, their acceptance, their laws regarding our painful past! Which may change nothing for our FUTURE… no one will give us any land, nor money! And the current pressure on Turkey is for their own interior and exterior politics, not for the sake of the Armenians…

 

We must think more about our REAL future, about our country, which is becoming more miserable daily, few personalities who represent whole the government are crashing over the people! No more Armenians will be there within few more years!!!

 

We have many pressures to do, so much to ask our own government, to build a real country, a strong one, and not a one for SALE!!!

 

Apricots, pomegranates, duduk, dhol, kochari… the nostalgie by the vernisage is sooo sweet, but those tiny details won’t make our country REAL… few colorful songs and some souvenirs are just superficial, the cute mask of a hidden chaos…

 

ALL WE NEED IS A REAL FUTURE… let’s first keep this small part of our land… the successful big projects start by the smallest real steps…

 

The easiest way is to escape from our painful reality of today, and go beg on the others’ door, looking back in the past… It’s good to keep asking for JUSTICE, but it must not be our ONLY HOPE!

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Հայաստանում Ֆրանսիայի դեսպանատան առաջ մարդիկ շնորհակալություն են հայտնում

 

 

 

 

 

Վաղ առավոտից Հայաստանում Ֆրանսիայի դեսպանատան առաջ մարդիկ ծաղիկներ էին տեղադրում` դրանով իրենց շնորհակալությունը հայտնելով երեկ` հունվարի 23-ին, Ֆրանսիայի Սենատում ցեղասպանությունների ժխտումը քրեականացնող օրինագծի ընդունման առթիվ: Այս մասին հայտնեց NEWS.am-ի թղթակիցը: Իրենց երախտիքը հայտնելու էին եկել բազմաթիվ երիտասարդներ, այդ թվում` ՀՀԿ երիտասարդական թեւի ներկայացուցիչները, «Միասին» երիտասարդական շարժման անդամները:

 

Ներկաները ֆրանսերենով վանկարկում էին «մերսի» բառը, ինչպես նաեւ պաստառների վրա գրված էին «Կեցցե Ֆրանսիան», «Շնորհակալ ենք Ֆրանսիային», «Ֆրանսիան մեր բարեկամն է» եւ այլ արտահայտություններ: Ծածանվում էին Հայաստանի եւ Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի դրոշները:

 

Հավաքվածները դեսպանատան փոստարկղ էին գցում նամակներ, որոնցում անհատական շնորհակալություն էին հայտնում Ֆրանսիային: ՀՀԿ-ական երիտասարդները մոմեր էին վառել:

 

Հայաստանում Ֆրանսիայի դեսպանը Անրի Ռենոն դուրս եկավ հավաքվածների մոտ, նրան ընդառաջ եկավ սեւազգեստ մի տարեց կին, որն արցունքներն աչքերին` շնորհակալություն հայտնեց եւ գրկախառնվեց դեսպանի հետ: Անրի Ռենոն, իր հերթին, շնորհակալություն հայտնեց հավաքվածներին նման ուշադրության համար եւ պատմական ակնարկ ներկայացրեց օրինագծի անցած ճանապարհի վերաբերյալ:

 

Դեսպանի գալն ու հեռանալը ուղեկցվում էին շնորհակալական խոսքերով: Քիչ անց հավաքվածներին միացավ նաեւ ՀՅԴ-ի երիտասարդական թեւը, որոնք նույնպես շնորհակալական խոսք հայտնեցին Ֆրանսիային` շեշտելով օրինագծի ընդունման գործում Հայ դատի ներդրումը: Երիտասարդ դաշնակցականները իրենց հետ բերել էին ոչ միայն իրենց կուսակցության, Հայաստանի դրոշները, այլեւ Ֆրանսիայի դրոշը եւ օրինագծի հեղինակ Վալերի Բուայեի լուսանկարը: Հավաքավածները շեշտեցին, որ նման միջոցառումները ցույց են տալիս աշխարհին, որ մենք միասնական ենք ցեղասպանության ճանաչման գործում եւ սա կարող է ազդակ լինել մյուս երկրներին` ընդունելու Ցեղասպանությունը:

 

Հիշեցնենք, որ Ֆրանսիայի Սենատը մոտ ութ ժամ տեւած ծանր քննարկումներից հետո 127 կողմ եւ 86 դեմ ձայներով ընդունեց ցեղասպանությունների ժխտումը քրեականացնող օրինագիծը: Նշենք, որ դեկտեմբերի 22-ին Ֆրանսիայի Ազգային ժողովը ընդունել էր օրինագիծը: Ըստ կանոնակարգի՝ Ֆրանսիայի նախագահը 15-օրյա ժամկետում կհաստատի այն: Նա իրավունք ունի նշված ժամկետում նաեւ խնդրել խորհրդարանին վերանայել օրենքը, կամ դրա առանձին կետեր: Օրենքի նախագիծը ներկայացրել էր իշխող «Միություն հանուն ժողովրդական շարժման» (UMP) կուսակցության անդամ Վալերի Բուայեն: Նրա ներկայացրած օրինագիծը պաշտպանել էին Ֆրանսիայի Ազգային Ժողովի պատգամավորների մեծ մասը: Օրենքը ցեղասպանությունների մերժման դեպքում նախատեսում է տուգանք 45 հազար եվրո, եւ մեկ տարի ազատազրկում: Հիշեցնենք, որ Ֆրանսիան օրենքով ճանաչել է երկու ցեղասպանություն՝ Հայոց ցեղասպանությունն ու Հոլոքոստը: Թուրքիան մինչեւ օրինագծի քննարկումը բազմաթիվ սպառնալիքներ էր տեղացել Ֆրանսիայի հասցեին, իսկ Ֆրանսիայում ապրող թուրքերի հիմնական թիրախը դարձել էր օրինագծի հեղինակ Վալերի Բուայեն, ում սպառնացել էին սպանել:

 

Լուրեր Հայաստանից - NEWS.am

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Սերժ Սարգսյանը շնորհակալական նամակ է հղել Նիկոլա Սարկոզիին

 

 

Հունվար 24, 2012 | 16:06

Հայաստանի նախագահ Սերժ Սարգսյանն այսօր` հունվարի 24-ին, նամակ է հղել Ֆրանսիայի նախագահ Նիկոլա Սարկոզիին՝ Ֆրանսիայի խորհրդարանի վերին պալատի՝ Սենատի կողմից ցեղասպանությունների ժխտումը քրեականացնելու մասին օրինագծի ընդունման կապակցությամբ:

 

Նամակում, մասնավորապես, ասված է.

 

«Մեծարգո՛ պարոն նախագահ,

 

Այսօր Ֆրանսիան վերստին ապացուցեց իր մեծությունն ու ուժը, իր նվիրվածությունը համամարդկային արժեքներին:

 

Այսօր բացառիկ օր է բոլոր նրանց համար, ովքեր պայքարում են մարդու իրավունքների պաշտպանության եւ մարդկության դեմ ոճիրների դատապարտման ու կանխարգելման համար:

 

Այսօր պատմական օր է աշխարհի բոլոր հայերի համար` ինչպես Հայաստանում, այնպես էլ Ֆրանսիայում եւ ամենուր:

 

Վերջապես, այս օրն անմոռանալի է եւ ոսկե տառերով կգրվի հայ եւ ֆրանսիացի ժողովուրդների բարեկամության դարավոր պատմության մեջ:

 

Մեծարգո՛ պարոն նախագահ,

 

Շնորհակալ եմ Ձեր անձնական հանձնառության, Ձեր անգնահատելի ավանդի համար, առանց որի անհնարին կլիներ ցեղասպանությունների ժխտումը դատապարտող օրենքի ընդունումը: Երախտագիտության իմ խոսքն եմ ուղղում Ձեզ` մաղթելով նորանոր հաջողություններ` հանուն Ֆրանսիայի եւ ֆրանսիացի ժողովրդի լավագույն ապագայի:

 

Ընդունեք խնդրեմ, մեծարգո՛ պարոն նախագահ, խորին հարգանքներիս հավաստիքը»:

 

Լուրեր Հայաստանից - NEWS.am

 

 

[MosJan]

Turkey's Prime Minister: Genocide Bill "Racist"

 

http://hetq.am/static/news/b/2012/01/9626.jpg16:29, January 24, 2012

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan has labeled the French Senate vote to criminalize the denial of the 1915 Genocide as "racist and discriminatory."

 

Erdogan urged the 86 French Senators who voted against the bill to appeal the decision at the country's highest court. The court has the power to block the bill if it considers it unconstitutional.

 

The Turkish Prime Minister added that if the law is ratified then Turkey will adopt further sanctions against France.

 

Ankara has already cancelled all economic, political and military meetings between the two countries, according to euronews.

 

[MosJan]

asa to iy Hayvan Racist kam Raccaic xoseluts arag duq raci pit darnaq