khodja Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 There are elements among our worldwide diaspora, some of whom hold prominennt positions in this forum, who want to perpetuate the practice of muzzling the center and the left on the Armenian political spectrum. Due to their financial power, with which they support the functioning of the church, they have garnered the leaders of the church to their side. Don't they realize that by insisting that every honorable Armenian be a solid conservative, that they are encouraging other Armenians to drop out of our community.There a very prominent Armenians who refuse to divulge that they are Armenian due to this trend. To further our causes we need Armenians from all places on the political spectrum, not just the conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 31, 2001 Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 Khodja, I would believe what you say if you could render a reasonable explanation about your Forum nickname. Unless it is a kind of joke! Further, before claiming that Armenians are Chinese, or UFO's get some history lessons. Otherwise, you would fall in the group of those same "prominent" Armenian intellectuals, who are trying to strip Armenians of their Armenianness! Movses Khorenatzi was a good historian but poor geographer. He lacks the knowledge and the experience of Marco Polo, but I don't blame him for that. I blame those who believe that China is located north-east of historical Armenia. Read the following and think twice! An Indo-European-speaking nomadic people probably of Iranian stock, the Yüeh-chih roamed the steppes of Mongolia. The Yüeh-chih are first mentioned in Chinese sources at the beginning of the 2nd century BC as nomads living in the western part of Kansu province, northwest China. They and related tribes are the Asi (or Asiani) and Tocharians (Tochari) of Western sources. The origin and early history of the Yu-chi are lost in the mists of prehistory. Prior to the second century BC the area known as the 'western regions' to the Chinese and including the states known to the Greeks as Sogdia and Bactria were certainly inhabited by nomadic peoples. Distinguishing the Yu-chi from amongst this complex group is impossible. Nomadic peoples live very similar lifestyles and are rarely if ever discernible by the archaeological remains they leave behind. When the Yu-chi enter written records it would seem from their apparently powerful and established position that a great deal of their own history has already passed. The language of the Yeuhchi (or Tocharians, as they are known in the West) seems to have similarities with Armenian, Thracian, Phrygian, Celtic, and Hittite. Scientists theorize that the original home of the Proto-Tocharians was somewhere on the steppes of southern Russia. They were thus bordered on the west and south by the Thraco-Phrygians and Armenians, on the west and north by the Balto-Slavs, in close proximity to the Finno-Ugrians on the east and north. The nearest kin of Tocharian seems to have been Thraco-Phrygian (and perhaps Armenian). As the Tochari began to move east, the last contacts that they had with other Indo-Europeans (before their much later interaction with the Indians and Iranians) was with the Slavs, resulting in some Slavic influence in the lexicon, but no impact on the essential structure of the language. After they left the Indo-European homeland, the Tocharians may have been influenced by the Finno-Ugric languages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted August 31, 2001 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 As for our charge that we wish to strip Armenians of their "Armenianness" we only endeavor to strip them of their "Ottomanness" or their "Stalinism." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted August 31, 2001 Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 Now talk about the "Ottomanness..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted August 31, 2001 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 My ancestors worked within the system as it was in Ottoman Turkey and by doing so were able to greatly assist their Armenian brothers and sisters. They never allowed Ottoman thought to engulf their being. Unfortunately, it has engulfed the being of too many Armenians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted August 31, 2001 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 Your reply to my post is a non-sequitor. I speak of politics while you speak of history. I suspect that you are trying to neutralize me by bringing my former statements into question. I have already discussed the issue of the Mamikonian heritage with MJ and the whole discussion was subsequently deleted. So I will not argue it again in this forum. I am very familiar with Armenian history as I am a historian. As for the "Khodja" it does not refer to Nasraddin Khodja, a jokester, but to the title of my great-grandfather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 31, 2001 Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 So, you are a freaking turk, trying to re-establish the true Armenian spirit among the Armenians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted September 1, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2001 Gamavor, Do you know nothing of Armenian involvement in Ottoman life after the Tanzimat Reforms?Your latest comment only reveals that you have not done your homework. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 1, 2001 Report Share Posted September 1, 2001 Most attorneys believe in justice! "Sures arnem...." pertains to the reforms in the Ottoman Empire! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 Sures arnem, yellem arach, turker chartem yes tzakh u ach! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted September 2, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 Khenteroon meche menatzerenk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khodja Posted September 2, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 Gamavor, Don't attorneys usually believe in the rule of law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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