NEO-WHAT?

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NEO-WHAT?

 

Neolithic?**

 

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Whether we know it or not we are living in a “Neo-World”. What with neo-nazis, neo-cons, and now the biggest of those neo-wolve., aka neo-ottomans.

What will be next? A neo-arab empire, who once ruled all the way from Bangladesh to Barcelona.

How come the “sick man of Europe” is still alive? Who saved it? Dr. Kevorkian? Make that King George.

 

** Neolithic means “new stone age”.

 

GENOCIDE by INDIVIDUALS?

 

During the past week Hetq has been featuring articles under the general topic of “stanbol diary”. Where the *@ is stanbol?

Who cares?

I have not read any of those so called reports, neither will I. My wish is that HETQ would stop reporting from stanbokh. Aaaah!!! That nostalgia!!!

Of course, we know HETQ means FOOTSTEPS.

 

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Are we following our footsteps to our “birthplace“?

 

 

 

THE HELL WITH STANBOL!!!!

 

Would not be more apt for the journalist to have labeled his series of articles “Comedistan Diary”?

It has been said the a “sucker is born every minute”. Should it not be “a comedian is born in stanbol every minute”? All the way from the top as in erdo%&*# to the bottom., and in between. Now that that master comedian halajoglu has been silenced new and improved ones are crapping cropping up.

Who really understood when that comedian in chief declared that there were over 150,000 Armenian citizen in furkey. Who understood that as a threat, i.e “we murdered deported 1.5 million of you, we can murder and deport 150,000 as easily.

 

I’m sure you can find more “words of wisdom” below . Here are few gems.

 

First this quote may shed some light on why we are so obsessed with stanbol than they are with Yerevan…

 

Thus, he says that it is only logical that Turkey is more often discussed in Armenia than Armenia in Turkey.

He is so right. If only we would mind our own business rather than teach angaga a lesson of “civilization”

In other words he is saying… We don’t know where Yerevan is, or really if there is an Armenia.

I can’t find it now. ( PS. I found it. To follow) A clown in angaga say that Armenia is a “region of the ottoman empire”, and once again will become so?

 

 

 

This one is a masterpiece worthy of the Nobel Prize.

"You are of course aware that genocides can also be perpetrated by individuals and not by governments."

All these years we have been hearing that the Genocide was perpetrated by Martian aliens or Alaskan Eskimos, now we hear “individuals”. Who are those “individuals”, African Pygmies or Australian Aborigines?

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Istanbul Diary: Turkish Analyst "Back Pedals" on Genocide Responsibility

Vahe Sarukhanyan

 

23:53, April 28, 2011

"You are of course aware that genocides can also be perpetrated by individuals and not by governments."

This was the remark made by Mensur Akgun, Director of the Global Political Trends Center (GPOT) in Istanbul where I had a chance to meet and talk with him during my stay here.

I had posed the following question, to Mensur Akgun.

Who should resolve the Armenian Genocide issue –political leaders or historians?

“The issue isn’t connected to historians. The Turkish side has numerous documents attesting to the fact that there was no premeditation. The Armenian side has just as many documents to the contrary. But if the historians can reach some general consensus, their conclusions can be presented to the politicians. Then, there is a good chance that the matter will go to arbitration. If the Genocide was carried out by specific individuals in specific location in Turkey, the Turks would be obliged to recognize it. But, of course, there would be political, juridical and historical elements involved. You are of course aware that genocides can also be perpetrated by individuals and not by governments. Each side could learn much from assembling historians, the development of political agreement and from the experience obtained in resolving that issue. By the way, even if we don’t achieve all this, and just are able to normalize relations, then no one will talk about the Genocide. It’s more likely that Turks and Armenians would commemorate April 24 together. Many people commemorate April 24 as a day of calamity and not genocide. Of course, there will be certain Armenians and Turks not content with this but this displeasure won’t make a difference. We must act so that this issue is no longer up for political discussion. Naturally, it can continue to be a matter for personal debate. Many of you have suffered, I have no doubts.”

The analyst says that the issue of rapprochement between Ankara and Yerevan periodically pops up on the official radar as an agenda item, but that Turkey doesn’t view it as a primary concern.

In contrast, Mr. Akgun argues that Armenia has two large problems with Turkey and Azerbaijan.

“Since there is hope for normalization, you discuss that issue at length. You always refer to history, which arises from the interests of your political circles, because otherwise you’d start to talk about other issues; for example corruption.

Mr. Akgun added that Turkey has many other problems besides this and points to the militarization of the country and the Kurdish issue.

Is.

Thus, he says that it is only logical that Turkey is more often discussed in Armenia than Armenia in Turkey.

A similar view is expressed by Sabiha Gundogar, Foreign Affairs Program Officer at the TESEV (Turkish Economic and Social Studies Foundation).

“It is my impression that they want immediate improvement in relations in Armenia and that the border open tomorrow. They want recognition of the Genocide within one year. But the process in Turkey is a gradual one. The Armenian issue was never at the top of the list in Turkey and will never be.”

Mr. Akgun told me that Turkey is developing and becoming more self-confident. He said that Turkey would not benefit in a tangible way from opening the border with Armenia.

“Sure, tourists would come and go but there isn’t much trade going on. Also, sadly, you don’t have the natural resources like Azerbaijan. We can’t make the same investments in Armenia to get oil or gas. We have invested billions in Azerbaijan. Perhaps we could purchase a few refrigeration units and a handful of “Beko” stores in Yerevan, but not more. Your population is tiny and Armenia isn’t developed economically. We see no long-term economic potential in Armenia. There is no comparison with Azerbaijan. In addition, we regard the Azerbaijanis as brothers. That’s another story. If you had oil, then I can assure you that would have been a good reason to normalize relations.”

When I asked Aypars Gorgulu, anther analyst who works for Gundogar, is Armenia interests Turkey from an economic standpoint, he replied - “not really”.

“Turkey’s eastern regions aren’t that developed. Armenia is the same. Thus, the opening of the border would have limited economic repercussions. That’s not to say that Armenia isn’t interesting. I think that Turkey’s eastern districts would benefit somewhat from an open border. Turkey is heavily dependent on Georgia in many ways; the transit gas and oil pipelines. This makes Armenia an isolated island. An opening of the borders would create transit possibilities because even though the parties seek to isolate Armenia and focus on Georgia, the latter isn’t all that stable a country. We saw that with the war with Russia. Thus, we have to explore alternative paths. Armenia could greatly benefit from an opening of the border.

Edited April 30, 2011 by Arpa

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Here is the follow-up to the above.

 

Yes , it was genocide except in reverse?

Except that they don’t tell us how a ragtag three freedom fighters have murdered three million furks and muslims.

 

In his interview to SalamNews he stressed: “Iran neighbors with Azerbaijan and considers itself friendly to Azerbaijan, and despite that Tehran maintains military and economic cooperation with Armenia. It contradicts the Muslim brotherhood, as Armenians have killed so many innocent Muslims and have occupied our lands”.

 

This will cause some of our friends jump with joy and dance to the beat of thr dunbek, as when once again Armenia is absorbed into the ottoman lands , we will once again be reinstalled to our “glorious days” of amira-ity and khoja-ness.

 

They call us ‘neo-Ottomans’. Why, yes, we are ‘new Ottomans’. We have no other way but to deal with our neighbor countries.” So, Armenia in this context of Turkey's contemporary foreign policy, is believed to be “part of the Ottoman Empire”, thus being a subject of Turkey’s interest.

 

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Genocide | 29.04.11 | 16:16

Five Factors: Obama’s annual address from the Turkish perspective

 

The Turkish prime minister expressed his indignation to the American president over the annual pre-April-24 address

By Aris Ghazinyan

ArmeniaNow reporter

US President Barrack Obama did not need to say (as he didn’t) the word “genocide” in his annual address last week in order to rile Ankara.

On April 25, two days after Obama’s speech in connection with Armenian Remembrance Day, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan called the White House and expressed his country's official stand – the address of the American president distorted the historic facts in favor of “the Armenian side”.

Armenia-based political analyst Ruben Margaryan believes that “Obama’s warm and humane message had angered the Turkish foreign ministry which, in turn, felt obliged to voice its indignation and condemn Obama's address. Turkey blasphemously grounded its response by saying that the address only reflected pain over the tragedy of Armenians, whereas ‘the tragedy of Turks’ was ignored”. Erdogan's conversation with Obama, however, should not be viewed from the “Armenian” perspective, but rather on the backdrop of several factors together, five specifically. The starting point should be the fact that Ankara is currently introducing a completely new foreign political course – the so-called neo-Osmanism officially declared by Turkish foreign Minister Ahmed Davutoglu. In his book “Strategic depth – Turkey's international position”, he reasoned why Turkey has to return its lost influence on the “former Ottoman world”. And that, as Turkish analysts claim, includes around seventy contemporary states. Davutoglu made the following statement: “There exists the heritage left by the Ottoman Empire. They call us ‘neo-Ottomans’. Why, yes, we are ‘new Ottomans’. We have no other way but to deal with our neighbor countries.” So, Armenia in this context of Turkey's contemporary foreign policy, is believed to be “part of the Ottoman Empire”, thus being a subject of Turkey’s interest. Secondly, in the highlight of the “revolutionary wave” that rolled over the Arab world, Ankara’s neo-Ottoman and pan-Islamic (pan-Islamism was Ottoman Turkey’s ideology till 1908 when it was replaced by pan-Turkism) efforts have been multiplied. On the wave of reviving pan-Islamism, Turkey is strengthening its connections not only with Arab but also all the Muslim countries. This explains the escalated tensions with Israel as “the enemy of the Islamic world”. Apart from that, as Sinan Ogan, head of the Turkish Centre for International Relations and Strategic Analysis, stated “the number of those in Turkey who protest against Iran’s cooperation with Armenia keeps growing with each passing day”. In his interview to SalamNews he stressed: “Iran neighbors with Azerbaijan and considers itself friendly to Azerbaijan, and despite that Tehran maintains military and economic cooperation with Armenia. It contradicts the Muslim brotherhood, as Armenians have killed so many innocent Muslims and have occupied our lands”. This explains why Erdogan discussed Mahrib [Muslim prayer] issues with the American president. From this perspective Obama’s address served as a convenient occasion to once more bring up the “Arab issue” and Turkey’s stand on it. The third important factor is that Turkey has an extremely zealous attitude to the Armenian Genocide issue. Last year Ankara warned Washington against the possible consideration of the “Genocide topic”. Practically every year in March-April Turkey send its delegations to the USA with the purpose of preventing potential developments of the “pro-Armenian” scenario. There have been times when it almost reached a point of possible severing of diplomatic ties. For example, when on September 10, 1984 the House of Representatives of the US Congress approved the Resolution on declaring the next April 24 an “International Day of Remembrance devoted to the victims of inhumane attitude and the Armenian massacre”, the then Turkish president Kenan Evren sent an angry letter to Ronald Regan pointing out the inevitability of negative consequences for the bilateral relations in case of such “indiscreet step”. The forth factor: following the signing of the Turkish-Armenian protocols in 2009, Turkey made a statement that any attempts to view the events of the WWI in the context of the “Armenian Genocide” would have a destructive effect on the rapprochement process. And finally, the fifth factor: the leadership of today’s Turkey simply dislikes Obama. They still remember that in 2005, when Obama was a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the US Senate, he shocked the Azeri journalists when he stated in Baku that he was among the American lawmakers who had signed the petition to President George W. Bush asking him to recognize the Armenian Genocide. In 2006, as the Senator of Illinois, Obama again stated the importance of the Armenian Genocide recognition and called on the Turkish government to stop the campaign denying that crime. These two incidents are more than enough not to compare Barrack Obama with all the other candidates for the presidential chair and, even more so, with the masters of the White House. Turkey simply “does not trust” Obama. All these factors collectively have to be taken into consideration when speaking about the Erdogan-Obama conversation, for which the annual pre-April-24 address was only an occasion.

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Edited April 30, 2011 by Arpa