THE RABID ARMENIAN RIGHT IN USA

[Yeznig]

"As long as Armenia had a lopsided foreign policy siding unequivaceably with the Palestinians, the Israelis will be sidling up to Turkey."

This is delusion. The Turkish-Zionist alliance does not depend on Armenian support for the Palestians.

 

The Turkish state like the Israeli state is built on land stolen from other people - Arabs in the Israeli case, Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds and others in the Turkish case - so they are natural allies to fend off claims to their ill-gotten gains.

 

Turkey in its modern form like Israel is an artificial and illegitimate state. We should have no truck with either. The Zionists are today doing to the Palestians wheat the Young Turks did to the Armenians and what the Turkish state is today doing to the Kurds.

 

On the other hand Armenians and Palestinians are natural allies, both having the experience of their homelands destroyed by colonial and racist occupiers.

 

As for US politics, we should keep out. It is a cesspit and all who enter its portals sink in its muck. Neither Democrat nor Republican has anything good for Armenia. We should learn from our great historian Khazar Barpetzi who was one of the very first to propound the principle of self-reliance.

[Yeznig]

It is simply not 'Armenian' like to support or condone the brutal oppression, and criminal injustice on the Palestinians by the Israeli Zionists.

Well said - keep on saying it, louder and louder until the walls of Babylon collapse!

[Yeznig]

The Palestinians brought this upon themselves when they demolished all the Jewish temples in the Jewish quarter of Old Jerusalem. This I saw with my own eyes.

You need to study some history here my friend...

[Anonymouse]

"I'm a better Armenian, I know the exact interests of the Armenian community", utter the ambitious yet clueless Armenian lobbyist.

 

"No no don't listen to those Armenians they have the interests of themselves ahead of the rest of the Armenians," exclaimed one Armenian moderate.

 

The hardliner responded, "How dare you say that you aren't Armenian!".

 

"Neither are you", replied the moderate.

 

And so in circles we go.

[GuitARA]

You need to study some history here my friend...

I tried really hard to leave that one alone ...

 

 

I mean, Isn't it against International Law (U.N. Charter, Geneva accords, The Hague, etc) to invade, occupy and build a apartheid wall, commit crimes against humanity, etc. etc etc.

 

I guess the Armenians "brought it on themselves" too, eh ?

[AnoushBabyGirl1]

^^^^Yes it is.

 

The Jews stole most of the state that the UN gave to the Palestinians during the 1948 war. That was not against international law, because Israel didn't start it, but they basically created the problem right there. They stole Jerusalem and made it their capital when the UN delcared it an international zone. The only thing the Palestinians had left were the refugee territories (that didn't belong to Palestine or Israel anyway, they belonged to Egypt and Jordan). And what Israel did in 1967 (attacking Palestinian refugees and 5 other nations), and then occupying the territories, was against international law; the UN ruled against it and said they had to leave. But the Palestinians wanted their 50% back, so they didn't sign the treaty, and as we know, Israel is still there, running over little kids with their tanks.

 

 

But hagarag, I'm suprised you are trying to make this about Republicans, you should love them. They want to make Israel the 51st state, they don't care about any other nation in need of aid (like Armenia). They give away 3 billion of our tax dollars a year so Israel can bomb Palestinian civillians, I thought you thought this was a good idea.

Edited March 2, 2004 by AnoushBabyGirl1

[Boghos]

From Don Quijote: "And the good gentleman was so far gone in his fantasy that neither the touch, the smell, nor anything else about the good damsel -- which would have made anyone but a muledriver vomit -- disillusioned him in the slightest." Volume 1, Chapter 16, pg. 89

 

Some of our own seem to have been one of the source of inspiration for Saavedra.

[America-Hye]

Not one of you has responded directly to the issue of the Palestinians demolishing ALL the Jewish temples in the Jewish Quarter of Old Jerusalem.

 

It was the Palestinians who were unwilling to accept the Jewish presence in their region in any shape or form. You all twist the facts to bolster your argument.

[ED]

What do you care for the Jews anyway hagarag? they may kill each other to the end as far as I'm conserned, what I'm consern is and you sould be also, preservation and fight we must fight against a common enamy, that is Turks and Azeris.

[America-Hye]

Furthermore, Armenians such as the Balians designed mosques and repaired many others. Some wealthy Armenians, such as my ancestors, not only umnderwrote the repair of Armenian churches but also a number of mosques to build goodwill with the Turks. Armenians are presently restoring a mosque in Yerevan to it's original splendor. When has ANY Palestinian done any of this with Jewish temples? All they know is to be suicide bombers to destroy Jewish temples.

[Boghos]

It is tough to take sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. There is plenty of evidence to show that non-Jews have been always treated as second class citizens (even Armenians, remember the story of the small village that has been posted here somewhere, and also the Armenian quarter...). Dynamiting houses and making sure that crops do not get the necessary irrigation cannot be seen as friendly acts by Israel, among other things. However that is not to say that the Palestinian side is just a victim. Naturally many tend to side with the "weakest", the "oppressed" and so on. I also sympathize with the "needy" but often enough we are trapped in our own moral dilemmas and forget how complex and difficult certain situations are.

 

I find very little use in looking at these issues if not for learning, taking sides is not a particularly interesting exercise. Time and again I have seen people "fighting" for the rain forest, for the giant ants of Papua-New Guinea, for the rights of horizontally challenged people and so on, if people were to focus on more "local" issues I am sure that the outcome would be a much better one.

[Boghos]

Furthermore, Armenians such as the Balians designed mosques and repaired many others. Some wealthy Armenians, such as my ancestors, not only umnderwrote the repair of Armenian churches but also a number of mosques to build goodwill with the Turks. Armenians are presently restoring a mosque in Yerevan to it's original splendor. When has ANY Palestinian done any of this with Jewish temples? All they know is to be suicide bombers to destroy Jewish temples.

Of course the Balian´s built mosques, palaces and so on. It was not out of compassion to the Ottomans, or Turks if you prefer. They had a business.

 

Armenians were always second class citizens in the OE and often took ation in order to better fit into the upper echelons of the empire. Nothing new in that.

[GuitARA]

Not one of you has responded directly to the issue of the Palestinians demolishing ALL the Jewish temples in the Jewish Quarter of Old Jerusalem.

 

It was the Palestinians who were unwilling to accept the Jewish presence in their region in any shape or form. You all twist the facts to bolster your argument.

It's a bit disturbing that you choose to ignore the NUMEROUS reports from Human Rights Watch, Amnesty Int'l, Red Cross, etc.etc., about the BLATENT disregard for human rights, the targeting of civilians and civilian service facilities, the demolishing of homes the destruction of the fields by the Israeli Zionist Jews.

 

You also choose to ignore this wretched apartheid wall that Israel is constructing (which has been WIDELY condemned by most of the CIVILIZED world) to descriminate, humiliate, oppress and divide the innocent Palestinians.

 

Oh yeah, I'm assuming you are familiar with the 'Green Line' and Israel's THIEVERY of Palestinian lands by going DEEP (up to 100 or more miles) inside the 'Green Line'.

 

Ever ask yourself why there is International Solidarity Movement in Palestine ON BEHALF of the Palestinians, and not the Jews ??

Why is that ?

 

 

I guess it's also justified for Israel (4th or 5th most powerful military) to openly commit acts of war against a innocent people WHO HAVE NO MILITARY, but yet they have (HEROICALLY) managed to hold off the invading uncivilzed barbaric, Jews.

 

As far as suicide bombers ... I see them as heros, for they WILL NOT just 'roll over' for the Jews, they will resist and fight for what is RIGHT. Maybe you can't understand this notion of PRIDE and HONOR ?

 

REAL Armenians have the same (& even more) FIERCE will and honor to protect and preserve ones history and culture.

 

 

Sorry, America Hye, but I think YOU are the minority here, for like I originally stated "no REAL Hye would EVER, EVER support or condone the cold blooded massacres of Palestinians by the savage Jews.

[Vigil]

Sorry, America Hye, but I think YOU are the minority here, for like I originally stated "no REAL Hye would EVER, EVER support or condone the cold blooded massacres of Palestinians by the savage Jews.

 

Morally I feel that what Israelis and Palestinians are doing is wrong, but as a Armenian I understand how important land can be to a national identity.

 

However, the Jewish lobby, which controls almost all the media outlets in the United States, is constintly working against us. In fact the 3 biggest media moguls are Jewish. If Jews wanted to they would already have promoted not just the Armenian genocide but all the ones after that. We can just assume the extent of the monopoly from the sheer number of holocaust movies that have been conjured up. Ask yourself this isn't it strange that almost all the holocaust movies have won an oscer? It is just evident from articles in the New York Times or LA Times what the true Jewish stand is towards Armenians.

 

For them to stop us from recognition of our holocaust, our land, and our future is hypocrisy in my opinion. That is the only problem I have with Jews or anything Jew related. It is very evident that they place Jewish news or cause over any other when they blow up the sucide attacks on 3 world wide news networks as "breaking news" when their are far more important issue to address like the conduct of the Azeri millitery officer? I bet if they found out that William Saroyan came from a Turkish father, who happend to be murdered by a Armenian, they would already have plastered it on as many media outlets as they can just so they can discredit Armenians even further.

 

That in a nutshell is how I perceive the issue other then that I could care less if they were to kill 8 Jews in a bus or Palastinian's being denied basic human rights because that is what politics in essence is. Let America worry about Jews or Arabs we have Turks to fend off.

 

People have been taught to place too much importance on the Jewish issue that does not deserve the attention already given to it. If the international community wanted to solve the problem it can, but it would have to stand up to the entire banking system if not most of the wealthy in America, who happen to be are Jews.

Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil

[America-Hye]

GitARA,

 

So you are going to conduct litmus tests? I am a true Armenian, just like you are. I don't like what the Likud fascists are doing amy more than you do.

 

 

Yes, I know that many Jews want a monopoly on Holocaust, yet it was a Jew named Lantos (no not the Turkish whore Congressman, but a Canadian producer) who was the driving force of the movie "Ararat." It was a Jew named Harvey Weinstein who spit in the face of his certain fellow Jews and distributed the film over these fellow Jews objections. I can see the big picture,can you?

[Vigil]

Yes, I know that many Jews want a monopoly on Holocaust, yet it was a Jew named Lantos (no not the Turkish whore Congressman, but a Canadian producer) who was the driving force of the movie "Ararat." It was a Jew named Harvey Weinstein who spit in the face of his certain fellow Jews and distributed the film over these fellow Jews objections. I can see the big picture,can you?

 

When they actually print a crediable article in the LA and New York Times to reflect the truth I will then assume the "big picture".

Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil

[America-Hye]

Sulzberger family owns New Yotk Times. Katherine Graham owned the Washington Post. I know of not one Armenian who has owned a major American newspaper or TV station. You guys are VERY naive. The Jews who own these papers are going to reflect their interests. Rupert Murdoch built an international news organization from scratch to further his conservative politics. Why are you acting like beggars in the street? If you want honest news about Armenians you should convince Kirk Kerkorian, Hovsons, or the likes of Cafesjian to buy up major media outlets. Why MGM has never produced a film about Armenian is uncanny. The National Geographic article is making waves. Can you imagine what would happen if just one major US newspaper was in Armenian hands?

[Vigil]

Sulzberger family owns New Yotk Times. Katherine Graham owned the Washington Post. I know of not one Armenian who has owned a major American newspaper or TV station. You guys are VERY naive. The Jews who own these papers are going to reflect their interests. Rupert Murdoch built an international news organization from scratch to further his conservative politics. Why are you acting like beggars in the street? If you want honest news about Armenians you should convince Kirk Kerkorian, Hovsons, or the likes of Cafesjian to buy up major media outlets. Why MGM has never produced a film about Armenian is uncanny. The National Geographic article is making waves. Can you imagine what would happen if just one major US newspaper was in Armenian hands?

 

Ok so with that logic it is ok for Armenians to deny the Jewish holocaust just so they can get in bed with Middle-Easterners? Your logic does not make sense.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that no government is going to help another acheive their interests, but that is totally different then actually being the roadblock? Have Armenians ever asked the Jewish lobby for help? The only thing we have ever asked from them is to not place 2 sides to the Armenian issue.

 

Let me ask you this has their been a Armenian newspaper that has ever placed 2 sides to the Jewish Holocaust? Lets say they were to place a article that gave 2 sides to the Jewish Holocaust and stated that Jews died from diseases how would the Jewish lobby react? Will they be civil like Armenians or will they play the same game they did when Mel Gibson's movie was in production?

 

Your logic is basically that it is ok for them to change history on the expense of others and if I am wrong please enlighten me?

 

December 17, 2003, Wednesday

 

FOREIGN DESK

World Briefing | Europe: Switzerland: Lawmakers Accept Armenian Genocide

Parliament adopted a resolution, 107 to 67, recognizing the killing of Armenians under the Ottoman Empire in World War I as genocide, defying the Swiss federal government and angering Turkey. Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Rey spoke against the resolution, and a spokeswoman said the government hoped the resolution would not strain Switzerland's relations with Turkey, which is deeply concerned about the issue. Turkey reacted swiftly, saying the Swiss assembly bore responsibility for any negative consequences its decision might cause.

 

Published: 12 - 17 - 2003 , Late Edition - Final , Section A , Column 4 , Page 8

 

 

This is the article the NYTimes wrote on the Armenian Genocide being accepted in Switzerland. Notice how they make it seem like it was a bad decisions to accept the genocide by stating that it was "defying the Swiss federal government and angering Turkey". So defying the Swiss government gets a 107 to 67 vote? But a attack at a Lyon synagogue in March 2002 gets a 5 page spread?

 

5 page spread on Anti-Semitism in France

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/29/magazine...TISEMITISM.html

 

They have yet to write a article on the Armenian officer that was butched to death by the Turk. They could edleast report it right? I wonder how much attention a Jewish officers death would get?

 

Face it they are hypocrits and if you can not see that or admit to it then you are the one who is naive.

Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil

[Vigil]

I just wanted to clearify when I target Jews I do not mean all Jews, but rather the Nazi Jewish lobby that opposes everything Armenian. It is very wrong to label a whole group of people for the sins of a few and that is not my aim. Their are Jews in Armenia, who might I add are proud of being Armenian and Jewish at the same time, that contribute to the well being of Armenians. Anyways I just wanted to make that clear so that I do not insult anyone that may come by on these forums once in a while who is of Jewish ancestry. Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil

[America-Hye]

I have yet to totally understand the motivations of the Jewish lobby in attempting to bury the Genocide. Perhaps they view it as something that will water down the world's view of their Holocaust. Yet I don't think that it is unique to the Genocide. I think that certain Jews don't want any other Genocide discussed.

 

Let's get back to my original comment. MGM is controlled by an Armenian and it's CEO is an Armenian. Any movie company with such a combination of Jews would have and HAS produced movies with a Holocaust theme. Where are the Armenian owners of major U.S. newspapers? Surprisingly, it was not these Armenians but progressive Jews who got "Ararat" produced and distributed.

 

The Jews will do their thing. All we have to do is use or produce our own media outlets. Instead of trying to get a piece of the Jewish Holocaust Museums, we are rightfully establishing our own. The Japanese have a museum in downtown LA that discusses their being herded into camps during WWII. Diito the African-Americans and Latinos.

[Vigil]

I have yet to totally understand the motivations of the Jewish lobby in attempting to bury the Genocide. Perhaps they view it as something that will water down the world's view of their Holocaust. Yet I don't think that it is unique to the Genocide. I think that certain Jews don't want any other Genocide discussed.

 

Let's get back to my original comment. MGM is controlled by an Armenian and it's CEO is an Armenian. Any movie company with such a combination of Jews would have and HAS produced movies with a Holocaust theme. Where are the Armenian owners of major U.S. newspapers? Surprisingly, it was not these Armenians but progressive Jews who got "Ararat" produced and distributed.

 

The Jews will do their thing. All we have to do is use or produce our own media outlets. Instead of trying to get a piece of the Jewish Holocaust Museums, we are rightfully establishing our own. The Japanese have a museum in downtown LA that discusses their being herded into camps during WWII. Diito the African-Americans and Latinos.

 

You are assuming that I am trying to state that Armenians are asking Jews for help to accomplish their agenda, which is totally not my argument. If anyone wants somthing done they have to do it themselves, which the majority of Armenians are doing, but you fail to realize that their attempts are futile due to the fact that the Jewish Lobby is constantly geting involved in issues that does not concern them.

 

For example the the memorial in Washington D.C. excluded the Armenian Genocide because of the Jewish Lobby. On what grounds are they asking the government to exclude the Armenian Genocide? Why do they care if the Armenian Genocide is recognized or not? DO Armenains ever lobby against them? Have Armenians ever lobbied against them? Ok let me ask you this the recent Israeli wall that is going to divide Arab and Jew is known to be a crime against humanity have Armenians protested against the wall being built? So if they have not confronted them, why are they confronting us?

Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil

[America-Hye]

For some Jews our crime is that we were Genocided. Thus our history competes with theirs, and lessens the premise that the Holocaust is unique. Don't forget also the role the Doenmeh had in the Genocide. What an embarrassment this would for World Jewry if the Genocide had a broader dissemination.

[den_wolf]

Bush needs to go!

And Kerry needs to come? (no pun!! )

 

What about Tony "I follow Bush wherever he goes and whatever he does" Blair?

[mx5]

America-Hye,

I understand from what you say that nobody has the right to produce a movey including we the Armenians without the permission from a jew/s,

Im sure you will argue that they let you breath the air freely.

Im also almost sure that that is may be one of the last thing they let us have freely!!

[America-Hye]

Hey MX5,

 

That is NOT true. Where the h**l are Kerkorian and Yeminijian. They have TOTAL control of MGM. They could commence producing a quality Genocide movie immediately, and yet have not domne so to date. It took a progressive Jewish producer (Lantos) to get the Ararat movie made and a progressive Jewish movie CEO (Weinstein) to get the movie distributed worldwide. Stop being a typical Armenian and playing the martyr role. Get off the Jewish angle and let's get off our a***s . Bravo to Hovnanians, Cafesjian, et. al. They are making a Genocide museum happen in Washington, D. C. Why do you expect the Jewish infrastructure to spoon-feed us? Is Armenia Israel's ally or is Turkey?