Guest Posted December 31, 2000 Report Share Posted December 31, 2000 Shenoraavor Nor Dari yev Pari Gaghand!(Jan. 6, but we don't really put much of an emphasis or any significance on it)... The question I want to pose is why do we differentiate between Hayastansi, Iranahai, Arabhai, etc.??? Where did all of this come from??? It is true that some Hayastansi from Yerevan are not well off and might come off as a little pushy. You can't blame them, as they came and functioned off of a brutal and inhumane communist system and ideologies for almost a century so to speak. But, does that mean that others should take a condescending view point towards one another??? I just emailed Iranyar (my Bagratuni brother) and he told me this same shit happens in Netherlands??? Both Hayastansis and Iranahai hate each other even in the filthy refugee camps??? Even the Anatolian Hai over there view this with disdain. Excuse my French, but this is pure bs. What would my great ancestor Vardan Mamigonian be thinking in his grave right now??? He died for nothing and sacrificed for a bunch of people who do not realize the meaning of unity and brotherhood. What makes you a better Hai over a seemingly "less" and "different" Hai??? I have relatives all over. Anatolia, Fresno, Syria, Yerevan, etc... I am one and only "Hai" To me, we are all Hai. That was the view of my ancestors when they fought off invaders whether Sassanians, Arabs, Seljuks, etc. I guess they did it for a reason and cause. Now where are we??? Lost, confused, bitter and looking down on one another. Just the other day, I overheard a conversation between 3 ladies. They spoke in the western accent (presumably from Lebanon or Syria) and remarked how Hayastansis are this and that. Only over a broken cassete tape in which they were the ones lending it in the first place??? As a Mamigonian and Hai, I am sadly ashamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 1, 2001 Report Share Posted January 1, 2001 I agree with you on this disunity, but you seem to put the blame more on non-Hayastansis, but let me tell you, it cuts both ways. Hayastansis can be condescending as well toward Lipanahays, Barskahays etc. In the past I have been nearly lynched on this forum for bringing up the mostly bad experiences I have had with Hayastansis here in California. BUt I have had some good ones as well. Just the other day at Dvin Grocery there was a Hayastansi guy who overheard me speaking to the owner about how my mom taught me Armenian though my dad is odar. This guy came up to me and said "You are the first half Armenian I have met who can speak Armenian, I wish my nephews who are half would hear you!" This really made me feel proud of my mom! But anyway I am rambling because I have had no sleep since the year 2000! Over and out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 1, 2001 Report Share Posted January 1, 2001 I offer my regrets for such incidences in your past, Half Breed. Such people are the lower educated from the villages. I must assume that in your case, it is an ignorance specifically directed towards half-odars. Consider this, I have seen many cases where even if the half-odar was patrilineal descent from Armenians (meaning the father is Hai), he or she would still be regarded as odar. I have seen and witnessed such ignorance. This is a very old argument, but one that comes of much relevance for the latter generations. I know many of my Hai pals and acquaintances who from time to time view this site but never offer their response or opinions because they prefer to remain silent or they are indifferent. Yes, you can say that some of them are extreme bigots, but we really don't have the energy to hate others when we ourselves are hating one another from within. Let's talk about the "in-house" problems before we venture into the external problems. I am sick of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 1, 2001 Report Share Posted January 1, 2001 What is Hai or Hye? To be or not to be, that is the question? We feel we have a special mission or destiny to fulfill, some unanswered things in life. We are different from others (Genocide experiences), and we are too few to hate one another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2001 Report Share Posted January 2, 2001 Mamigonian, you speak a lot of sense on your reply,you are so right about it being directed from the village people(not the pop group)never in any culture have i seen so much baggage being directed at the half breeds and the quater breeds. I think it's really them who are stuck in the middle the most. Because you are not all but you are not too little to be just a fraction. I am really losing patience with these losers! I have decided not to be angry with them any more. They know no better after all if that's the way they were brought up , telling myself this always maks me feel better. No. Instead, I dont let anybody, odar, half or wholebreed tell me what part of me to be or not to be proud of! I dont feel anyone has anyright to invade such a personal issue such as your won culture and identity. I dont really kow that much greek becuase I missed out on a lot as a child. I am trying my hardest to lear it now and all I ever hear is more negative things when I am trying! (for exaplme. she cant even speak it properly , it's your fault (my grandmoether to my mother, all the people they know go on and on about it, so I 'nm thinking I'm damned if I do and damned if i dont!) Anyone who doesnt understand this in my eyes has a problem with themselves, just feel sorry for them then I don't give it a second thought. Well with me a lot of odars say, "oh how interesting! You are mixed" but the down side is almost every one of the has never heard of Armenia or armenians. I havent spoken to many armenians at all (not even family have not much left living on that side all the ones that are have disowned us, why can you guess?) I can understand the point of veiw on that old armo in the shop, that mixed breeds tend to lose the culture more than full breeds, it is sad because all parts of us are as imporant as the other. An imorportant point is the one you say about hating one another from witin and in house problems.. i thinkit has truth in it. I just thought of something else but I dont kow whether I should say it on this forum or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2001 Report Share Posted January 3, 2001 We have talked about this topic over and over again, and I believe we have arrived into a safe conclusion that Time will ease the pain, Time will disolve the differences and Time maybe will finally wipe us out as a nation , especially those outside Armenia. No one can deny that there are differences and in many cases they seem unbridgable, but we all know that there is something that keeps us together. The fact that we claim to be Armenians.We are 'fighting' against each other because we know that we are all Armenians, although some think that they are better ones.The new generations of Armenians will share similar experiences and similar problems, so there will not be any reason for fighting and hating. Time is the best doctor and medicine of this situation! Kazza, you know that Greeks also have similar behaviours. remember Greeks vs. Cypriots. etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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