Sargsyan is an idiot!

[Armat]

Sure we can counter Turks

with Turkey arming Al Queda etc. however after reading the details of Arms sell to Iran it becomes evident Sargsyan is an ordinary jack arse crook.

He buys the arms from Bulgarians and signs papers assuring the Bulgerians that the arms will stay in Armenia and upon delivery arms are sold to Iranian arms dealer.

This is what is interesting.Iran has 1000x more of the same arms basic tech armor busting guns so Iranian government didn't need them and its obvious the Iranian dealer purchased it to sell privately.

So Sargsyan buys weapons for "Armenia" but makes quick sell and pockets the money.So much for being patriotic. F---king unreal.This crook should be booted out!Immediately!

 

Sargsyan if you are reading this?Get this straight

You are an ordinary peddler!Not a leader!

 

read the full story-embarrassing! this is more embarrassing with deadly consequence then medicare fraud!

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,733308,00.html

[gamavor]

I'm with Sargysian on this one! Common now, USA has been pouring weapons in the hands of terrorists before during and after Soviets entered Afganistan. They continue to do so during Sadam's war with Iran and even armed Iran - remember Iran-contras afair? I guess USA should have imposed sanctions to themselves first, no? Not to mention the unconditional support USA gives to terrorist country like Turkey on all matters. So, what options Armenian government had been left with, when the USA did nothing to curb Turkey over the Genocide issue or the border oppening? What the West did to better Armenia's democracy? Nothing! Again, what Sargsian did is taking care of national interest! Period.

 

Let the State Department eat shit and die!)

[Armat]

I'm with Sargysian on this one! Common now, USA has been pouring weapons in the hands of terrorists before during and after Soviets entered Afganistan. They continue to do so during Sadam's war with Iran and even armed Iran - remember Iran-contras afair? I guess USA should have imposed sanctions to themselves first, no? Not to mention the unconditional support USA gives to terrorist country like Turkey on all matters. So, what options Armenian government had been left with, when the USA did nothing to curb Turkey over the Genocide issue or the border oppening? What the West did to better Armenia's democracy? Nothing! Again, what Sargsian did is taking care of national interest! Period.

 

Let the State Department eat shit and die!)

You kind of sidestepped the severity of the issue.

Sargsyan knows AZ threat daily so instead of keeping the weapons in AR which could be used defending AR he sells it before even unloading to Iranian petty arms dealer.

He is just an ordinary crook.We can't make excuses for the crook because others done similarly.We all know corruption is common but he should just step down.

He has his cronies on every embassy and all the mafia guys do is force bribes and feed the top boss Sargsyan

watch

Part2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moostgexHJ8

 

Part1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuVKu3ULyUM

Edited December 8, 2010 by Armat

[Arpa]

I'm with Sargysian on this one! Common now, USA has been pouring weapons in the hands of terrorists before during and after Soviets entered Afganistan. They continue to do so during Sadam's war with Iran and even armed Iran - remember Iran-contras afair? I guess USA should have imposed sanctions to themselves first, no? Not to mention the unconditional support USA gives to terrorist country like Turkey on all matters. So, what options Armenian government had been left with, when the USA did nothing to curb Turkey over the Genocide issue or the border oppening? What the West did to better Armenia's democracy? Nothing! Again, what Sargsian did is taking care of national interest! Period.

 

Let the State Department eat shit and die!)

Let me nominate Gamavor as King of Armenia.

Hey Gams! Whatever happened to your signature " the best duck is a dead duck"?

[gamavor]

Armat jan, you are oversimplifying.

 

It was common in legit international arms trade not to have direct shipment of military equipment. In such manner Nicaragua's leftists were fighting with American made M-16, while right wing rebels in South America and elsewhere were using Kalashnikovs.

 

I wont comment on this particular shipment, but if we have to rely on Bulgarian made armament God be with us:) It is crap. It use to be good, not anymore:) I don't think the arms were initially intended for us. Enough said! Bulgarian arms were mostly sold to Azerbaidjan, but not to Armenia.

[Armat]

Let me nominate Gamavor as King of Armenia.

Hey Gams! Whatever happened to your signature " the best duck is a dead duck"?

So I gather you agree with Gamavor? So we make excuses for crooks and keep crooks in power and nothing changes and people suffer,corruption etc.

Saying goes "people deserve their leaders"

 

Gamavor writes "what Sargsian did is taking care of national interest!"

How is selling weapons to Iranian arms dealer in interest of our nation? Those weapons were supposedly purchased to defend the same NATION! Making cheap buck is more like it.

Edited December 8, 2010 by Armat

[Armat]

Armat jan, you are oversimplifying.

 

It was common in legit international arms trade not to have direct shipment of military equipment. In such manner Nicaragua's leftists were fighting with American made M-16, while right wing rebels in South America and elsewhere were using Kalashnikovs.

 

I wont comment on this particular shipment, but if we have to rely on Bulgarian made armament God be with us:) It is crap. It use to be good, not anymore:) I don't think the arms were initially intended for us. Enough said! Bulgarian arms were mostly sold to Azerbaidjan, but not to Armenia.

Gam jan I think we should put pressure on our leaders for higher principles since is obvious Armenia swims in corruption from very top to down.This is the core reason why thousands of diaspora Armenians are not investing in Armenia unlike Israel....etc

Its all related.

Sargsyan must go!

[Arpa]

So I gather you agree with Gamavor? So we make excuses for crooks and keep crooks in power and nothing changes and people suffer,corruption etc.

Saying goes "people deserve their leaders"

 

Gamavor writes "what Sargsian did is taking care of national interest!"

How is selling weapons to Iranian arms dealer in interest of our nation? Those weapons were supposedly purchased to defend the same NATION! Making cheap buck is more like it.

Dear Armat. I hate to get personal. Is it my understanding that you are a former Yerevanite?

How about you move back and run for king/president instead of hiding in the safety of the back alleys of Watertown/Jrashen?

They don't even know that MASIS is spelled with one S.

http://www.massisbakery.com/

Edited December 9, 2010 by Arpa

[Arpa]

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How is selling weapons to Iranian arms dealer in interest of our nation? Those weapons were supposedly purchased to defend the same NATION! Making cheap buck is more like it.

Who do you suggest that Sargisian would have sold those weapons to?

mehmet in ankaga? heydar in boku? mikhail in pisslis? ( putin in mos-cow-dung?

Of all the people in the region Iran seems to be the only friend, our only opening to the world. Do you want to shut that highway down? Regardless if it is patrolled by mullah or mahmoud mafyian.

When we have a country as big as that controlled by the mullahs, then we can talk from a position of strength.

Only then we can "thumb our (big)noses" to the world.

http://www.nostalgicreflections.com/images/castingthumbnosefenderorn.jpg

Edited December 9, 2010 by Arpa

[MosJan]

Armat Has a good point...

[Armat]

Dear Armat. I hate to get personal. Is it my understanding that you are a former Yerevanite?

How about you move back and run for king/president instead of hiding in the safety of the back alleys of Watertown/Jrashen?

Those idiots don't even know that MASIS is spelled with one S.

http://www.massisbakery.com/

So if one demands transparency,accountability and basic principles of leadership then one according to you "why don't you run for king/president or shut up?!!"

With that kind of excuses nothing will change bloodsuckers will remain in power and stash their bank accounts on the expanse of the nation.

Me living in US has nothing to do with my criticism of this idiot.These idiots sold for profit key national resources to Russians already.Russians practically own Armenia and thanks for these crooks!

Real nationalist protects his/her nation 1st!

I hope our next president is US or EU educated.Enough of soviet style mafia idiots.

Edited December 8, 2010 by Armat

[Harut]

armat, that article is full of holes, baseless assumptions, long-stretched jumps to conclusions, and apprently poorly researched about the basics of arms deals... and so are your arguments in this case... (and this is not to defend sargsyan...)

[Armat]

armat, that article is full of holes, baseless assumptions, long-stretched jumps to conclusions, and apprently poorly researched about the basics of arms deals... and so are your arguments in this case... (and this is not to defend sargsyan...)

Harut

Story is true otherwise I have not read any denial by Sargisian.I am sure he can't deny because there is probably paper trails him apologizing to Americans.

Essence of the story is that our "leader" is an ordinary crook.

 

On face value Sargisian "fights" corruption funny....really funny when almost all Armenians agree on recent poll Armenia is corrupt top to down.When our "leader" is the gang leader one's expectations are on mediocre level.

Seriously how long must we make excuses!Who gives a f.... what US or any other country conducts itself.It doesn't solve OUR problem.

[Boghos]

I don't think he is an idiot. What I think is that the minor Russian style nobility that runs Armenian does it only for its own benefit as it is logical for an absolutist monarchy. The diaspora intsitutions and especially AGBU have no choice but to help Armenia and Etchmiadzin even if that means helping the princelings, counts and barons that live in the Russian Empire, Province of Armenia. So where do we go from here? Do we expect the people to revolt or we just tolerate the most used Armenian protest strategy: immigration?

[tiktok]

Unless the US can supply Armenia with a pipeline for its energy requirements and migrate next to Armenia to balance two antagonistic neighboors, it can kiss our @ss. Armenia did not sell those because Iran needed them..., it is a gesture of friendship. Whatever Iran sold them to other groups is a nonissue. And this in spite of the monatery help the US is providing to Armenia which does not make needless the security and energy demand Armenia needs. Simplifying this with a ''How dare you sell to Iran'' is the kind of language neocons have habituated us with but hardly explain all those shade of grays.

 

Sure we can counter Turks

with Turkey arming Al Queda etc. however after reading the details of Arms sell to Iran it becomes evident Sargsyan is an ordinary jack arse crook.

He buys the arms from Bulgarians and signs papers assuring the Bulgerians that the arms will stay in Armenia and upon delivery arms are sold to Iranian arms dealer.

This is what is interesting.Iran has 1000x more of the same arms basic tech armor busting guns so Iranian government didn't need them and its obvious the Iranian dealer purchased it to sell privately.

So Sargsyan buys weapons for "Armenia" but makes quick sell and pockets the money.So much for being patriotic. F---king unreal.This crook should be booted out!Immediately!

 

Sargsyan if you are reading this?Get this straight

You are an ordinary peddler!Not a leader!

 

read the full story-embarrassing! this is more embarrassing with deadly consequence then medicare fraud!

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,733308,00.html

[Harut]

Harut

Story is true otherwise I have not read any denial by Sargisian.I am sure he can't deny because there is probably paper trails him apologizing to Americans.

Essence of the story is that our "leader" is an ordinary crook.

 

On face value Sargisian "fights" corruption funny....really funny when almost all Armenians agree on recent poll Armenia is corrupt top to down.When our "leader" is the gang leader one's expectations are on mediocre level.

Seriously how long must we make excuses!Who gives a f.... what US or any other country conducts itself.It doesn't solve OUR problem.

 

Arman, i honestly don't understand what you're trying to say...

 

all i'm saying is that the article is poorly written... it is trying to make a sensation out of nothing, with statements like "sargsyan personally gave a written guarantee" (mostly likely referring to a generic user certificate, which is signed by "minister of defense", which is a standard procedure in any international arms deal)... at the same time, your accusations of "using public funds to line up his pockets" are unfounded (i'm sure he does that every day, but to make an accusation for a specific case with no evidence is unfounded)...

[Harut]

I don't think he is an idiot. What I think is that the minor Russian style nobility that runs Armenian does it only for its own benefit as it is logical for an absolutist monarchy. The diaspora intsitutions and especially AGBU have no choice but to help Armenia and Etchmiadzin even if that means helping the princelings, counts and barons that live in the Russian Empire, Province of Armenia. So where do we go from here? Do we expect the people to revolt or we just tolerate the most used Armenian protest strategy: immigration?

 

i finally get what they mean when they say "armenia is rich with human resources"... we export humans!!!