Guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 I'm an armenian living in Turkey.Here the Turks went insane because of the recognition of Armenian genocide by France.I'm sure France didnt recognise this genocide just for remembrance of poor Armenian victims massacred(as all my grandparent's were killed).That's not the real subject but whenever i watch tv. about this subject i see the patriarch of Turkey telling'there wasn't a genocide.They(turks)didn't do anything to us!!!!!!!They're telling this with no thread,they tell this cause they believe so!!!!!!!If you would like to protest them here's their mail address:Divan@ArmenianPatriarchate.org.tr. Take care wherever you are on earth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 Levon, Thank you for the info. Please keep us updated on the developments inside Turkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 Read this - I would like to use the word "unbelievable" to describe it - but, alas, it is all too believable. Steve "Lraper" Church BulletinArmenian PatriarchateTR-34480 Kumkapi, IstanbulTel: +90-212-517-0970 or 0971Fax: +90-212-516-4833E-mail: <Divan@ArmenianPatriarchate.org> DECLARATION An assembly of ninety Armenian Apostolic Orthodox, Armenian Catholic andArmenian Evangelical lay delegates convened in the Bezciyan Hall of the HolyMother-of-God Patriarchal Church in Kumkapi, Istanbul, on Tuesday, 30January 2001, from 9:30 a.m. to 12:00 noon. His Beatitude Mesrob II, ArmenianPatriarch of Istanbul and all Turkey, presided over the assembly. The assembly then turned its attention tothe law promulgated by the French National Assembly on 18 January and to thestatements of some French parliamentarians which had been broadcast by aTurkish TV channel on 25 January. Following deliberations, the Turkish Armenian Assembly of Orthodox, Catholicand Evangelical representatives, issued the following declaration: 1) Recently, the members of the French National Assembly, debated the tragicevents of 1915, a matter best left to historians. The assembly then recordeduncalled for remarks pertaining to the situation of Armenians living inTurkey. 2) As an earlier declaration has already communicated, individual Armeniansliving in Turkey do not face economic, legal, social and religious problems.Indeed, in religious life particularly, they enjoy total liberty. Someproblems related to their institutional life that the Armenian community doface, have been brought to the attention of the competent authorities of theState by responsible members of the community and solutions are expected. Asis the case for all citizen of the Republic of Turkey, the proper place fordiscussing issues related to the Turkish citizens of Armenian descent is theGrand National Assembly of Turkey, in Ankara. Therefore, we consider thepatronizing attitude of foreign parliaments useless for the Armenians ofTurkey. Based on the stipulations of the treaty of Lausanne, the Armeniansof Turkey lead a respectable life, with their five hundred and forty yearold Patriarchal See, two hospitals, fifty-seven churches, fifty-eightfoundations, eighteen schools, twenty-five choirs, seventeen associations,two sports clubs, three newspapers and five magazines. 3) The interference of foreign parliaments, aiming to realize certaininternational objectives, is regrettable and causes discomfort for us andfor all other Turkish citizens, with whom we share a common destiny in ourcountry. In the name of the Armenians in Turkey: (signed and sealed) +Mesrob II, Armenian Patriarch of Istanbul and All TurkeyArchbishop Shahan Sivaciyan, Patriarchal Vicar GeneralBishop Aram Ateshian, Grand EcclesiarchRevd Dr Krikor Damadyan, ChancellorMembers of the Venerable Spiritual CouncilMembers of the Patriarchal Council of Lay AdvisorsBoard of Administrators, Surp Prgitch Armenian HospitalBoard of Administrators, Surp Agop Armenian Catholic HospitalParish Council, Patriarchal Church of the Holy Mother-of-God, KumkapiParish Council, Holy Resurrection Church, KumkapiParish Council, St George’s Church, SamatyaParish Council, St John the Evangelist Church, Gedik*****Parish Council, St James Church, AltimermerParish Council, Sts Thaddeus and Bartholomew Church, YenikapiParish Council, St John the Evangelist Church, NarlikapiParish Council, St Nicholas Church, TopkapiParish Council, St Mary’s Church, BakirkoyParish Council, St Stephen’s Church, YesilkoyParish Council, Holy Archangels Church, BalatParish Council, St Elijah Church, EyupParish Council, St Mary’s Church, EyupParish Council, St Stephen’s Church, HaliciogluParish Council, St Gregory the Illuminator Church, GalataParish Council, Holy Trinity Church, BalikpazariParish Council, Holy Resurrection Church, TaksimParish Council, St Vartan Church, FerikoyParish Council, St Mary’s Church, BesiktasParish Council, St Mary’s Church, OrtakoyParish Council, Holy Cross Church, KurucesmeParish Council, Church of the Three Saints, BoyacikoyParish Council, St Mary’s Church, YenikoyParish Council, St Rhipsime Church, BuyukdereParish Council, Church of Christ the King, KadikoyParish Council, Holy Cross Church, UskudarParish Council, Church of the Holy Forerunner, UskudarParish Council, St Gregory the Illuminator Church, KuzguncukParish Council, Holy Apostles Church, KandilliParish Council, St Nicholas Church, BeykozParish Council, Holy Cross Church, KartalParish Council, St Gregory the Illuminator Church, KinaliadaBoard of Administrators, Kalfayan Orphanage for GirlsBoard of Administrators, Karagozyan Orphanage for BoysBoard of Administrators, Mkhitarist Fathers’ Catholic High SchoolBoard of Administrators, Holy Cross High School in UskudarBoard of Administrators, Esayan High School in TaksimBoard of Administrators, Sahakyan High School in SamatyaBoard of Administrators, Getronagan High School in GalataBoard of Administrators, Dadyan Parish School in BakirkoyBoard of Administrators, St Mesrob Parish School in YesilkoyBoard of Administrators, Merametciyan Parish School in FerikoyBoard of Administrators, Aramyan Parish School in KadikoyBoard of Administrators, Vartuhyan Parish School in TopkapiBoard of Administrators, Tarkmancats Parish School in OrtakoyBoard of Administrators, Nersesyan Parish School in Uskudar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 And on the same subject: http://www.atour.com/~aahgn/news/20001207e.html I wonder if Mesrob Mutafyan was appointed to his position with the secret support and planning of the Turks. On the surface they seemed to be against his appointment as Patriarch, but perhaps that was just a ruse for him to get the support he needed by making him out to be an independently minded person (when actually he was just a patsy for the Turkish establishment). Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2001 Report Share Posted February 11, 2001 Levonyeshillian, come on, I think bell deserves a saucer of milk and some cat-buscuits now. I enjoyes reading them both..levon I don't think i gave you a proper welcome did i? well, It's really good you are in the forum! ..and I hope it goes well as it possibly can for you living in Turkey.. sure it will. Who is this friend of yours any way, is she a bit nutty? perhaps she went on like that because she was scared of the turks in the bar ad she might have been alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2001 Report Share Posted February 11, 2001 quote:Originally posted by levonyeshilian: Steve, I can't even guess the exact reason of Armenians of Istanbul but i don't believe any secret supports.Levon, I guess that you are in a better position to know than most. I was not being totally serious when I wrote it - but there might have been some truth in it! When I wrote, I was remembering that the appointment of Mesrob Mutafyan as Istanbul patriarch was initially opposed by the Turkish authorities, and the Turksh press made vague accusations against him based on his visits to eastern Turkey. All this would have been a good way of increasing his popularity amongst potentual Armenian supporters. I wonder if the failed patriarchal candidates would have produced similar pronouncements?StevePSKazza, are these biscuits going to be nice chocolate ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 Steve, I can't even guess the exact reason of Armenians of Istanbul but i don't believe any secret supports. Saturday night i've seen one of my few Armenian friends of mine in a bar after a long time.She allways finds me unnecessaryly patriotic.When i asked her about her thoughts about the recognition of France,i've heard that long speech of Patriarch from my friend too..Nevermind and never try to understand Istanbul.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 Kazza, Please read the third post of this forum again.I -personally- am not trying to blame anybody or don't want to lie or provoke you.I just want to say it's not only the official declaration of the patriarchate. My friend's parents are from Diyarbekir.Unlike me she went to Armenian schools and now she's studying American literature in University. How can she be scared?What would happen if she told me her personal opinions when we're alone,we were in a rock bar not in a tv show.The summary of her words was'I love here,I'm a Turkish citizen and i don't mind what other people are trying to do.....'. I believe it's the common sense of Istanbul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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