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I'm an armenian living in Turkey.Here the Turks went insane because of the recognition of Armenian genocide by France.I'm sure France didnt recognise this genocide just for remembrance of poor Armenian victims massacred(as all my grandparent's were killed).That's not the real subject but whenever i watch tv. about this subject i see the patriarch of Turkey telling'there wasn't a genocide.They(turks)didn't do anything to us!!!!!!!They're telling this with no thread,they tell this cause they believe so!!!!!!!If you would like to protest them here's their mail address:

Divan@ArmenianPatriarchate.org.tr.

Take care wherever you are on earth

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Read this - I would like to use the word "unbelievable" to describe it - but, alas, it is all too believable.

 

Steve

 

 

"Lraper" Church Bulletin

Armenian Patriarchate

TR-34480 Kumkapi, Istanbul

Tel: +90-212-517-0970 or 0971

Fax: +90-212-516-4833

E-mail: <Divan@ArmenianPatriarchate.org>

 

DECLARATION

 

An assembly of ninety Armenian Apostolic Orthodox, Armenian Catholic and

Armenian Evangelical lay delegates convened in the Bezciyan Hall of the Holy

Mother-of-God Patriarchal Church in Kumkapi, Istanbul, on Tuesday, 30

January 2001, from 9:30 a.m. to 12:00 noon. His Beatitude Mesrob II, Armenian

Patriarch of Istanbul and all Turkey, presided over the assembly. The assembly then turned its attention to

the law promulgated by the French National Assembly on 18 January and to the

statements of some French parliamentarians which had been broadcast by a

Turkish TV channel on 25 January.

 

Following deliberations, the Turkish Armenian Assembly of Orthodox, Catholic

and Evangelical representatives, issued the following declaration:

 

1) Recently, the members of the French National Assembly, debated the tragic

events of 1915, a matter best left to historians. The assembly then recorded

uncalled for remarks pertaining to the situation of Armenians living in

Turkey.

 

2) As an earlier declaration has already communicated, individual Armenians

living in Turkey do not face economic, legal, social and religious problems.

Indeed, in religious life particularly, they enjoy total liberty. Some

problems related to their institutional life that the Armenian community do

face, have been brought to the attention of the competent authorities of the

State by responsible members of the community and solutions are expected. As

is the case for all citizen of the Republic of Turkey, the proper place for

discussing issues related to the Turkish citizens of Armenian descent is the

Grand National Assembly of Turkey, in Ankara. Therefore, we consider the

patronizing attitude of foreign parliaments useless for the Armenians of

Turkey. Based on the stipulations of the treaty of Lausanne, the Armenians

of Turkey lead a respectable life, with their five hundred and forty year

old Patriarchal See, two hospitals, fifty-seven churches, fifty-eight

foundations, eighteen schools, twenty-five choirs, seventeen associations,

two sports clubs, three newspapers and five magazines.

 

3) The interference of foreign parliaments, aiming to realize certain

international objectives, is regrettable and causes discomfort for us and

for all other Turkish citizens, with whom we share a common destiny in our

country.

 

In the name of the Armenians in Turkey: (signed and sealed)

 

+Mesrob II, Armenian Patriarch of Istanbul and All Turkey

Archbishop Shahan Sivaciyan, Patriarchal Vicar General

Bishop Aram Ateshian, Grand Ecclesiarch

Revd Dr Krikor Damadyan, Chancellor

Members of the Venerable Spiritual Council

Members of the Patriarchal Council of Lay Advisors

Board of Administrators, Surp Prgitch Armenian Hospital

Board of Administrators, Surp Agop Armenian Catholic Hospital

Parish Council, Patriarchal Church of the Holy Mother-of-God, Kumkapi

Parish Council, Holy Resurrection Church, Kumkapi

Parish Council, St George’s Church, Samatya

Parish Council, St John the Evangelist Church, Gedik*****

Parish Council, St James Church, Altimermer

Parish Council, Sts Thaddeus and Bartholomew Church, Yenikapi

Parish Council, St John the Evangelist Church, Narlikapi

Parish Council, St Nicholas Church, Topkapi

Parish Council, St Mary’s Church, Bakirkoy

Parish Council, St Stephen’s Church, Yesilkoy

Parish Council, Holy Archangels Church, Balat

Parish Council, St Elijah Church, Eyup

Parish Council, St Mary’s Church, Eyup

Parish Council, St Stephen’s Church, Halicioglu

Parish Council, St Gregory the Illuminator Church, Galata

Parish Council, Holy Trinity Church, Balikpazari

Parish Council, Holy Resurrection Church, Taksim

Parish Council, St Vartan Church, Ferikoy

Parish Council, St Mary’s Church, Besiktas

Parish Council, St Mary’s Church, Ortakoy

Parish Council, Holy Cross Church, Kurucesme

Parish Council, Church of the Three Saints, Boyacikoy

Parish Council, St Mary’s Church, Yenikoy

Parish Council, St Rhipsime Church, Buyukdere

Parish Council, Church of Christ the King, Kadikoy

Parish Council, Holy Cross Church, Uskudar

Parish Council, Church of the Holy Forerunner, Uskudar

Parish Council, St Gregory the Illuminator Church, Kuzguncuk

Parish Council, Holy Apostles Church, Kandilli

Parish Council, St Nicholas Church, Beykoz

Parish Council, Holy Cross Church, Kartal

Parish Council, St Gregory the Illuminator Church, Kinaliada

Board of Administrators, Kalfayan Orphanage for Girls

Board of Administrators, Karagozyan Orphanage for Boys

Board of Administrators, Mkhitarist Fathers’ Catholic High School

Board of Administrators, Holy Cross High School in Uskudar

Board of Administrators, Esayan High School in Taksim

Board of Administrators, Sahakyan High School in Samatya

Board of Administrators, Getronagan High School in Galata

Board of Administrators, Dadyan Parish School in Bakirkoy

Board of Administrators, St Mesrob Parish School in Yesilkoy

Board of Administrators, Merametciyan Parish School in Ferikoy

Board of Administrators, Aramyan Parish School in Kadikoy

Board of Administrators, Vartuhyan Parish School in Topkapi

Board of Administrators, Tarkmancats Parish School in Ortakoy

Board of Administrators, Nersesyan Parish School in Uskudar

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And on the same subject:

http://www.atour.com/~aahgn/news/20001207e.html

 

I wonder if Mesrob Mutafyan was appointed to his position with the secret support and planning of the Turks. On the surface they seemed to be against his appointment as Patriarch, but perhaps that was just a ruse for him to get the support he needed by making him out to be an independently minded person (when actually he was just a patsy for the Turkish establishment).

 

Steve

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Levonyeshillian, come on, I think bell deserves a saucer of milk and some cat-buscuits now. I enjoyes reading them both..levon I don't think i gave you a proper welcome did i? well, It's really good you are in the forum! ..and I hope it goes well as it possibly can for you living in Turkey.. sure it will. Who is this friend of yours any way, is she a bit nutty? perhaps she went on like that because she was scared of the turks in the bar ad she might have been alone.
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quote:
Originally posted by levonyeshilian:
Steve,
I can't even guess the exact reason of Armenians of Istanbul but i don't believe any secret supports.



Levon, I guess that you are in a better position to know than most. I was not being totally serious when I wrote it - but there might have been some truth in it! When I wrote, I was remembering that the appointment of Mesrob Mutafyan as Istanbul patriarch was initially opposed by the Turkish authorities, and the Turksh press made vague accusations against him based on his visits to eastern Turkey. All this would have been a good way of increasing his popularity amongst potentual Armenian supporters. I wonder if the failed patriarchal candidates would have produced similar pronouncements?

Steve


PS
Kazza, are these biscuits going to be nice chocolate ones?
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Steve,

I can't even guess the exact reason of Armenians of Istanbul but i don't believe any secret supports.

Saturday night i've seen one of my few Armenian friends of mine in a bar after a long time.She allways

finds me unnecessaryly patriotic.When i asked her about her thoughts about the recognition of France,i've heard that long speech of Patriarch from my friend too..Nevermind and never try to understand Istanbul....

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Kazza,

Please read the third post of this forum again.I -personally- am not trying to blame anybody or don't want to lie or provoke you.I just want to say it's not only the official declaration of the patriarchate.

My friend's parents are from Diyarbekir.Unlike me she went to Armenian schools and now she's studying American literature in University.

How can she be scared?What would happen if she told me her personal opinions when we're alone,we were in a rock bar not in a tv show.

The summary of her words was'I love here,I'm a Turkish citizen and i don't mind what other people are trying to do.....'.

I believe it's the common sense of Istanbul.

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