FLOTILLA SINKILLA

[Arpa]

FLOTILLA SINKILLA

Flotilla no float-illa .

Is that “flotilla” still “floating?

david and goliath dejavu. What’s in it for us?

ՇԱՆ ԱՏԱՄԸ եւ ԽՈԶԻ ԿԱՇԻՆ

Itin dishi , domuzun derisi. The dog’s fang and the pig’s skin. One is sharp and the other tough. , Ironically both moshe and mehmet disdain the pig.. none of those dogs touch a pig. When moshe found out he has no friends in the region adopted mehmet, who had no friends either, and visa versa..

Let’s see what Shakespeare had said about it. In Romeo and Juliet he says- “Plague on both of their houses” , a paraphrase from Latin “Pox on both of their houses“.

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=28018

This is not the first time. I have, on numerous occasions invited our friends to once again tell us how our destiny, history, the present and the future is a “clone” of those “chosen people”, all the way from that idiot noah. Where are all our friends who have been telling us that “hay” and “hrya” are natural clones?

How come no one has sung the anthem "Yeghbayr dartsan Hayastan hryastan" in quite sometime? Did Foxman bite our tongue?

OK! Wish us more curses!

It has been over 60 years since 1948 when that country was established, and even longer when it was first conceived.

OK! Wish us that we use them as a model.

Since that date there has not been even one year, one month, one week, one day, one hour, one minute, one second of peace there, where the entire citizenship goes to bed with their military boots on. No end in sight.

And now, dear armeno-hrya pundits, please tell us how you wish that our destiny be tied to theirs’ and we imitate and ape their apelike existence.

Do we mean that the Artsakh Saga and our other sagas be like theirs?

Yeah, yeah! Where are our friends who have been advocating that we are “brothers of destiny” with them, all sons of noah. . How come they have all shut up? Noah who? Like “no was”?

May both of their “flotillas” stop floating and sink to the bottom of “Atlantis” or some other mythical ocean.

Who knows the adage “Union Made in Heaven”? Their union is made in HELL.

So far official Yerevan has been silent. Good for them. Maybe they already know the saying-

ՇՍՆ ԱՏԱՄԸ եւ ԽՈԶԻ ԿԱՇԻՆ

Edited June 4, 2010 by Arpa

[Yervant1]

Hypocrasy has no limits, almost every article talks about the Armenians since the souring of the relationship.

 

AN OPEN LETTER TO TURKEY

Contributed by Sultan Knish (Reporter)

 

Before It's News

http://beforeitsnews.com/news/71/845/An_Open_Letter_to_Turkey.html

June 3 2010

 

Dear Former Friends,

 

Ever since you decided to trade in the Secularism of Ataturk for the

Islamism of Erdogan, you also seem to have dispensed with the ability

to coexist with non-Muslims on a peaceful basis. These days all we ever

seem to get from you, is video clips of your leader, Prime Minister

Erdogan, barking at us like a dog that its owner carelessly let off

the leash. And if you don't know that Erdogan's owner lives in Riyadh,

then you don't know very much of what goes on in your own country.

 

But your affairs are your own affairs. And our affairs are our

affairs. If you want to let a fanatic in a cheap suit destroy Turkish

nationalism in the name of Islam, that's your business. But when

he gets into business with terrorist organizations who attack and

murder our soldiers, then it's our business. And when a country that

persecutes its Kurdish, Assyrian and Armenian citizens, and sends

their elected representatives to jail-- presumes to self-righteously

lecture us on how to manage our affairs, it had better remember that

holding a stone throwing contest in a glass house will just lead to

piles of broken glass.

 

You say you want an international investigation into the flotilla

raid? Sure. Right after we have an international investigation into

that minor matter of Armenian genocide that you've been ducking for

quite a while. As the new "standard bearer" in fighting for human

rights, I'm sure you will agree that it's only fair that Turkey should

undergo the same scrutiny it demands for other countries.

 

And then we can move on to the more than 10,000 political prisoners in

your jails. A number that at times has topped 100,000. An independent

investigation could also begin by looking into the torture and murder

of political activists such as Engin Ceber. They could meet with

representatives of TAYAD, the organization representing the families

of prisoners. And they would no doubt be fascinated by the more than

1500 children in your prisoners who are there on "terrorism" charges.

 

Like that 12 year old you arrested in 2008 for singing a Kurdish folk

song. So by all means wrap yourselves in the banner of "Human Rights"

and we'll turn it into a noose and strangle you with it.

 

In Israel, Arabs are a legally recognized minority. Arabic is taught in

schools and used as a legally recognized language. Meanwhile Kurdish

identity is all but banned in Turkey. Kurdish names, folk songs and

even the Kurdish language itself has been repressed. Your regime has

actually prosecuted and removed officials for simply incorporating a

Kurdish phrase into a greeting. You screech self-righteously about the

"Palestinian children"-- perhaps we should talk about the hundreds of

Kurdish children arrested for throwing stones at protests. Arrested

and charged with terrorism. Just more of the thousands of political

prisoners of oppressed minorities in your prisons.

 

And perhaps next time your dog Erdogan gets up to bark up at us about

human rights, we can stuff this in his mouth. Jenin, the Second

Lebanon War and every armed encounter between Israel and Islamic

terrorists over the last 20 years combined together killed fewer

people, than your country did in 1997 alone. After you get through

lecturing us on the use of force against Islamic terrorists, shall we

discuss how many times you used jets to bomb Kurdish rebels who were

lightly armed at best. Including in 2008 when you invaded sovereign

Iraqi soil in order to continue your genocide of the Kurdish people.

 

You talk about stolen land, when your entire country is stolen land,

from Cyprus to Istanbul. Your regime is a racist illegitimate entity

based on the oppression of the Kurds, the Armenians, the Assyrians,

the Circassians and numerous others. You went directly from being

Imperialists to Fascists to Islamists, a truly dubious achievement

for any nation. Your history is filled with slavery, ethnic cleansing,

genocide and invasion. And that's just in the last century alone. If

you had any sanity or shame, you would dig a hole, crawl into it, and

hope that no one mentions words like "Minority Rights" or "Territorial

Legitimacy" in your presence, instead of trying to use them as a club

against a nation whose national history predates yours by thousands

of years. We had kingdoms and a civilization that changed the world,

back when your ancestors were still trying to decide whether to eat

the sheep or rape it.

 

But let us get back to your precious Islamist flotilla, decorated

with Turkish flags that used to be more than just red versions of the

Saudi flag. That ship you filled up with Muslim Brotherhood members

and Islamist radicals bound for our shores. Over in your wonderful

nation of boundless freedom, reporters have been put on trial for even

interviewing leaders of terrorist groups. You sentenced the head of

a Kurdish party to six months in prison for calling the head of the

PKK, Mr. Ocalan, instead of just Ocalan. He joins the more than 800

Kurdish politicians you imprisoned in the last year alone. And after

all that you actually have the nerve to pretend to be "outraged"

when Israel intercepts your flotilla full of political terrorists?

 

But of course we know how strongly you feel about blockades. Like

the time you blockaded Armenia for Sixteen Years. Very well then. If

you insist on sending vessels flying the Turkish flag to aid Hamas,

perhaps we'll begin sending vessels flying the Israeli flag to aid

the PKK. We're not big fans of the PKK, but since you've decided to

friend Hamas, then what's good for the turkey, just might be good for

the gander. We can also fill a flotilla full of senile troublemakers,

phony survivors and leftist radicals-- along with a few hundred well

armed "activists" who know how to use a knife. Or perhaps we won't

bother with any of that. Instead for every boat flying the Turkish

flag that invades our territory, we'll donate a million to the PKK. I

wonder how many rocket launchers that would buy. Perhaps the next

time, your air force sweeps in to bomb Kurds out of their homes,

they might get a surprise or two.

 

And then there's the Republic of Cyprus, which has actually

been helping us stop weapons smuggling. They might benefit from

significantly upgraded air defenses. While the US insists on equalizing

weapons sales to Turkey and Greece, we just might have something

tastier to offer to one side. And the citizens of the Republic

of Cyprus might actually be able to sleep soundly in their beds,

instead of being intimidated by savages showing off their F-16's

over their heads. The Cyprus National Guard likes our drones, just

like you do. But what if they had a much better equalizer at their

disposal? Being a small non-Muslim nation surrounded by much larger

Muslim countries, we do have a certain fondness for the infidel

underdog.

 

Oh I know, what you're going to say. This means war. But you might

want to consider that we've fought and beaten enemies many times our

size. And what exactly was the last war you won single-handedly? And

no, bombing starving Kurdish rebels from the air, or occupying

Cyprus doesn't count. And how long could you fight that war, before

a domestic Kurdish insurgency overthrows your little empire. If that

doesn't happen, you might want to think about the big Russian bear at

your back. The bear has been eyeing you for a long time now. And with

your military engaged in a disastrous war for the Great Caliphate,

your borders would be temptingly open. And who exactly would bail

you out then?

 

Oh I know you've made many great news friends, such as Ahmadinejad

and that nice burnoosed king in the Arabian Desert, who tells your

Erdogan when to jump and how high, but if you think Iran is about to

pass up Russian nukes in order to bail you out, you've got another

thing coming. Meanwhile old Abdullah in the desert can't even protect

himself without the US Marines. And if you think Obama would send

them in to save your asses, you've got another thing coming. I'm

sure if there were Russian tanks headed to Ankara, he'd make a vocal

statement about it. And Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov would

pretend not to laugh while hanging up the phone.

 

There is of course the European Union. Last time Russia pulled that

trick, it was Britain that bailed you out in the Crimean War. But

these days Her Majesty's Empire isn't quite in the same shape it used

to be. Sure Cameron, Clegg and Harman will lick Erdogan's feet. But

none of them want to be the next Tony Blair either. Germany doesn't

like you very much anymore. Perhaps that time when it got enmeshed

in WW1 to protect your Ottoman Empire may have put them off. Or your

internal campaign of subversion exploiting Germany's horde of Turkish

laborers. What are you left with then? France, Italy or perhaps Austria

will forget that whole pesky Gates of Vienna thing and this time ride

to your rescue.

 

No, when Russian commandos are ripping off your wife's Burqa--

there will be no one left to save you. Not your newfound allies, or

Erdogan who will take the first plane to Riyadh, with as many Lira as

his sweaty hands can shove into the pockets of his cheap suit. And

just think of it, as the Hagia Sophia church that you turned into

a mosque, will become a church again. Istanbul will once again be

Constantinople, which means a certain catchy 20's song will require

a rewrite. Of course it may not happen exactly that way. But it will

happen. Erdogan's plan to suppress and integrate Kurds into a Muslim

Turkey will not succeed. And his antagonizing of former allies means

that Turkey is exchanging friends, for enemies. Meanwhile your new

friends happen to share borders with you and have territorial claims

on your land.

 

So when that day of reckoning comes, you will find that you have made

enemies of former allies such as Israel and the US-- and that the

new allies Erdogan has found for you in Iran and Syria would prefer

a Russian controlled Turkey, that has no chance of ever reverting

to a Kemalist government. And Erdogan's godfather in Saudi Arabia

commands oil money, not troops. And while he might be willing to sink

Turkey for the sake of Islam, perhaps there are Turks who value their

nation, more than Islamism. If not, you can look forward to Erdogan

"reforming" your country, until it has the military might of Pakistan,

the literacy level of Saudi Arabia and the poverty rate of Egypt. It

is of course your choice.

 

A people have the right to choose their destiny, for good or ill. And

if you find that this letter is filled with contempt, it is a contempt

fully merited by a regime that seeks to cloak its shameful betrayal

of a former ally in the guise of human rights, when it brutally

suppresses the rights of its own minorities. You may wish to go on

dancing to the tune being played by Erdogan, to sheet music composed

in Riyadh. It is a very good tune. Filled with hate, violence and

religious fanaticism. That also is your choice. But know that whatever

you have was bought and paid by your ancestors who understood that

Turkey would either modernize out of the gutter of Islam, or it would

be washed away by the colonial tide. Your power does not come from

Islam, it comes from the bread crusts of civilization that fall from

the table of Europe. Abandon them for the red hued madness of the

Jihad, and you will not rule over an empire, but over a wasteland. If

you doubt that, look to the south and to the east. Look to the desert.

 

You came from there once. And if you throw away civilization for the

fanatical madness of Islam-- you will return there again.

 

Sincerely Yours

 

A Descendant of a Subject of the Ottoman Empire

[Yervant1]

ALIK PAPER: IF ISRAEL KEEPS GAZA IN BLOCKADE, TURKEY HAS BEEN BLOCKADING ARMENIA FOR 15 YEARS

 

PanARMENIAN.Net

June 3, 2010 - 19:55 AMT 14:55 GMT

 

The "anti-Israeli" moods of Turkey, which have been observed since last

year, aim to show the Arab countries that allegedly Turkey protects

the Palestinian people's rights more than other Islamic countries,

reads an editorial of Armenian Alik paper published in Iran.

 

"The situation's farce is in the fact that Turkey is trying to display

its sympathy towards the Palestinian people, as though the Palestinian

problem and liberation struggle have appeared in the international

arena recently. However, the international community knows certainly

that Turkey has had strategic relations with Israel for 60 years,

thus stabbing in the back of the Arab world," the editorial says.

 

It also noted that Ankara conceals other goals, accusing Israel.

 

Specifically, if Israel keeps Gaza in a blockade, Turkey has been

blockading Armenia for over 15 years. "If Israel violates the rights of

the Palestinian people, Turkey has article 201 of the Criminal Code,

which threatens such people, as writer Orhan Pamuk and historian

Taner Akcam," the article reads.

 

The paper's editor concludes that Turkey, which has been denying its

history and trying to mislead the international community, will not

be able to avoid the Armenian Genocide recognition and compensation

of the Armenian people's losses, like Israel will reimburse the

Palestinian people's damage one day.

[Yervant1]

EDWARD ABRAHAMYAN SAYS LATEST TURKISH-ISRAELI DEVELOPMENTS JUST IMITATION OF BAD RELATIONS

 

ARMENPRESS

JUNE 3, 2010

YEREVAN

 

The latest developments in the Turkish-Israeli relations are directed

to the rise in the role of Turkey in the region, especially among

Muslim countries. Leader of the National New Conservative Movement

Edward Abrahamyan said at a press conference today that Turkey and

Israel seem to have problems with each other; however this does not

correspond to the reality. According to Edward Abrahamyan, there is

just one goal- separating the protesting sector of Palestine from

Iran and lead it to Turkey. It is controlled by Israel.

 

'I think everything was planned between the two states even before

2007 and the latest developments in their relations are just an

imitation of bad relations. It is the second time these two states

have confrontation with each other,' Edward Abrahamyan said. He also

explained that Turkey was the only state to undertake some steps

against Israel when the Palestine-Israeli relations were strained.

 

Turkey did so in order to raise its role in the Middle East. Yet the

protesting Muslims did not believe in Turkey, and so the slaughter

began.

 

'Both Turkey and Israel are parts of the same common system and though

the authorities of the two sides make statements on straining the

relations, they not have any issues with each other. All these steps

are intended to make the position of Iran weaker in the Muslim world,'

he added.

 

Deputy Director of the Caucasian Institute Sergey Minasyan says

the strained relations between Turkey and Israel will have grave

consequences in the region. These are the next attempts of Turkey's

leading party and are connected with Turkey's desire to play the key

role in the Middle East. He added that the dynamics of the tension

of the relations will be clear with the course of time.

 

Sergey Minasyan says there are really anti-Semitic moods in the

Turkish society; the steps of the state somehow depend on those moods.

 

He added that there are some possibilities of a war, but not much more.

 

In such a strained situation, Sergey Minasyan says, it is less

possible the Armenian Genocide will b recognized by Israel in the near

future. The issue, he added, is a 'golden bullet' against Turkey,

which is not intended to be used yet. 'Besides, there is a complex

in Israel; people there think only Holocaust must be recognized in

the world as genocide. This is an expression of egoism,' he said.

 

According to Edward Abrahamyan, the issue of the Armenian Genocide

recognition will be used in the meetings, gatherings, but Israel does

not intend to recognize it yet.

[Yervant1]

MOURADIAN: POST-FLOTTILA TIES BETWEEN TURKEY AND ISRAEL: IRREPARABLE DAMAGE OR JUST A HICCUP?

Khatchig Mouradian

 

Armenian Weekly

Thu, Jun 3 2010

 

BEIRUT, Lebanon-I have been following with horror the news and

discussion on the Israeli attack on the flotilla of ships carrying aid

to Gaza. The outrage here in Lebanon and the Arab world is palpable.

 

What is even more evident is the pride with which people here speak

about Turkey's "heroic stand" in the face of Israel.

 

Erdogan: International law has been trampled underfoot On May 31,

the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a statement in which

it protested "in the strongest terms the use of force by the Israeli

Defense Forces against the civilians from many countries who want to

transport humanitarian assistance to the people in Gaza."

 

The Turkish Foreign Ministry wrote that "Israel has once again

clearly demonstrated that it does not value human lives and peaceful

initiatives through targeting innocent civilians...such actions

against civilians who are involved only in peaceful activities

cannot be accepted. Israel will have to bear the consequences of

these actions which constitute a violation of international law."

 

In turn, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said, "It should

be known that we will not stay silent and unresponsive in the face

of this inhuman state terror," according to Hurriyet Daily News.

 

"International law has been trampled underfoot," Erdogan added.

 

Irony alert?

 

Of course, few Arab commentators said anything about the irony in

the statements above, and the many similar statements coming out of

Turkey today. That is not surprising. After all, Turkey-a strategic

ally of Israel-has, in recent years, reached out to the Islamic world

and presented itself as a defender of the Palestinian cause. Why rock

the boat?

 

Some intellectuals, however, highlighted the hypocrisy of the Turkish

state and of most Turkish commentators. On one online discussion

board, Stergios Kaprinis, a psychiatrist from Greece, wrote: "There

is no doubt that the events are tragic. The Freedom Flotilla attack by

Israeli commandos can only be described as an act of piracy. However,

I have been following the reactions of the Turkish government and I

must say that I am appalled at their hypocrisy. In the past 15 years,

the Turkish government has ethnically cleansed large parts of Turkey's

ethnically Kurdish southeast, has invaded Iraq more than a few times,

and keeps occupying and colonizing the northern half of the Republic of

Cyprus, a sovereign country, member of the UN and the EU. Yet today,

the Turkish government has somehow managed to proclaim itself the

defender of international law and protector of the oppressed. I am

appalled at such hypocrisy, at the expense of the Palestinians..."

 

In an article published in the Huffington Post, Israeli writer Dana

Agmon, noted: "And finally, a word to the sponsors-Turkey-did anyone

float into Turkey when it murdered over a million Armenians? Or did

anyone do it when you arrested hundreds of Kurds, including children,

merely four years ago and violated their rights? Or maybe when you

invaded Cyprus?"

 

An intellectual from Turkey told me that had the Kurds in Turkey had

access to sea, "God knows what kind of horrors would befall on those

who tried to support them." Another noted how the discourse on the

Palestinians in Turkey on one hand, and the Armenians and Kurds on the

other, are so disparate, even among progressive Turkish intellectuals,

that "the double standards sicken me to my stomach. States are,

by definition, hypocritical. But when intellectuals who present

themselves as the beacons of enlightened thought engage in such

hypocrisy, is there any hope left?"

 

Irreparable damage?

 

On June 3, Turkish President Abdullah Gul said, "From now on,

Turkish-Israeli ties will never be the same. This incident has left

an irreparable and deep scar."

 

The myth of "irreparable relations" seems to be floating around

the entire Islamic world since the attack on the flotilla. Arab

news sources and analysts in the Middle East continue to insist that

Turkish-Israeli relations have been damaged beyond repair. Regardless

of what Turkish officials declare in their public statements, this

is naivete and wishful thinking at best.

 

What the Arab world fails to see is that the Turkish state cannot

and will not bury its strategic relations with Israel because of the

flotilla attack or in solidarity with the Palestinian people. Ankara

is playing an ambitious political game in the Middle East. Yes,

its tactical maneuvers are already reaching beyond the bounds of its

strategic capabilities (and it might soon be forced to fold back),

but to view the Turkish state-or even the current government-as the

extension of the Turkish street is self-deception.

 

Turkey and Israel will soon repair the damage done to their relations.

 

There's no two ways about it.

[Arpa]

Hypocrasy has no limits, almost every article talks about the Armenians since the souring of the relationship.

AN OPEN LETTER TO TURKEY

Contributed by Sultan Knish (Reporter)

Sincerely Yours

A Descendant of a Subject of the Ottoman Empire

Yes indeed hypocrisy has no limits , neither does it have “borders”.

Yes Yervant, Where’s the Beef?

See what the dictionary says about “hypocrisy”

Main Entry: hy·poc·ri·sy 

Pronunciation: \hi-ˈpä-krə-sē also hī-\

Function: noun

Inflected Form(s): plural hy·poc·ri·sies

Etymology: Middle English ypocrisie, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrisis, from Greek hypokrisis act of playing a part on the stage, hypocrisy, from hypokrinesthai to answer, act on the stage, from hypo- + krinein to decide — more at certain

Date: 13th century

1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion

2 : an act or instance

If I were to interpret it I would break it down to “hypo=below” and “crisy=credulity/belief”, i.e “beyond/below belief’= LIE”.

Let me ask one more time. We have seen all those pork chops, shish kebabs**, bsturma and pastrami, but.

“Where’s the Beef”!!!???

** Speaking of twists and turns. This is hilarious. See who is attending to the "shawurma". Is that pork meat one wonders.

http://www.telaviv4fun.com/images/shawarma.JPG

Edited June 5, 2010 by Arpa

[Yervant1]

Student Operated Press

June 5 2010

 

 

Erdogan & comparison of Flotilla to September 11th.

 

 

Maze cartoon of Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan comparing the Flotilla

raid to September 11th. Someone from the crowd asks how it would

"stack up against the Armenian Genocide." Created by Yonatan Frimer

 

See cartoon at

http://thesop.org/story/cartoons/2010/06/05/erdogan-compares-flotilla-raid-to-911-how-does-it-stack-up-against-armenian-genocide.php

[Yervant1]

 

Erdogan threatens to join next Gaza flotilla

 

June 5, 2010 - 14:54 AMT 09:54 GMT

PanARMENIAN.Net -

 

 

Turkish security sources quoted Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan as

preparing to go beyond abusive rhetoric against Israel and considering

using his navy to break Israel's siege of Gaza- or even sailing aboard

the next flotilla to break the blockade in person on the assumption

that Israel would not dare stop him, Debka reported.

 

The Obama administration is in contact with the Turkish PM and trying

to cool him down.

[Arpa]

This is (not) funny. Remember, Helen Thomas is of Christian Lebanese ancestry just like Danny Thomas. She is 90 years old and still KICKING. Seems like she will exit "KICK the bucket" with a BIG BANG!!

Her bio;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Thomas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=447ekAh8AOo&feature=related

Edited June 6, 2010 by Arpa

[MosJan]

:jerry: :jerry:

 

Erdogan threatens to join next Gaza flotilla

 

June 5, 2010 - 14:54 AMT 09:54 GMT

PanARMENIAN.Net -

 

 

Turkish security sources quoted Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan as

preparing to go beyond abusive rhetoric against Israel and considering

using his navy to break Israel's siege of Gaza- or even sailing aboard

the next flotilla to break the blockade in person on the assumption

that Israel would not dare stop him, Debka reported.

 

The Obama administration is in contact with the Turkish PM and trying

to cool him down.

 

 

 

to asa hipokrat shan lakot, te mardasirutyun@ yev mardu iravunqn qez hamar arajnakarg uremn qo harevannerin blokad mi ara...

 

jisht jamanakna ashxarqov mer vorqan news sit ka ir & ir yerkri irakan demq@ tsuyts talu

[Arpa]

to asa hipokrat shan lakot, te mardasirutyun@ yev mardu iravunqn qez hamar arajnakarg uremn qo harevannerin blokad mi ara...

 

jisht jamanakna ashxarqov mer vorqan news sit ka ir & ir yerkri irakan demq@ tsuyts talu

Այո Մօս, հիմա ժամանակն է, երկաթը տաք է խփիր!!!

This is the time. The iron is hot hit it!!

A marriage made in hell will end up in an even hotter hell!!!

They both have American made WMD (weapons of of mass destruction), let’s see them. “And the rockets’ red glare, The bombs bursting in air…”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i426pbQJZ_g

ՈՐՆ Է ԱՒԵԼԻ ՄԵԾ ՍՈՒՏԱԲԱՆԸ? ՇՈՒՆՇԱՆՈՐԴԻՆԵՐ!!

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Israelis to protest Turkey in Cyprus

A group of Israelis will travel by ship to Cyprus to protest what they

call the Turkish occupation of the island and call for the

reunification of Cyprus under Greek Cypriot rule, an Israeli news

report has said.

07 June 2010, Monday

TODAY'S ZAMAN Ä°STANBUL

The group, which includes former deputy Alex Goldfarb and 63-year-old

Israeli activist Pinhas Har-Zahav, made the announcement on Thursday.

They are expected to travel to Cyprus this week, The Jerusalem Post

reported.

The trip is considered to be in retaliation to the recent flow of aid

ships to Gaza to break a long-standing joint Israeli-Egyptian

blockade. An Israeli takeover of the Turkish aid ship the Mavi Marmara

on May 31 resulted in the killing of nine activists, eight Turks and

one Turkish-American. An unnamed wealthy Israeli donor is subsidizing

the initiative.

Israeli right-wing politicians are criticizing the government for

releasing the Turkish activists under pressure from Turkey, claiming

that there is evidence showing they had attacked the Israeli commandos

boarding the ship. `It is our counter-visit to Turks in response to

their so-called humanitarian mission. They are responsible for the

Armenian Genocide** and still hold Kurds in occupation,' Har-Zahav was quoted as saying on Armenian news sites. `It is time to bring into

Light Turkey's hypocrisy,' he added.

---

How about “hrya hypocrisy”?

** Եւ հիմա այդ շուները նոր բառեր են սովորել Միթէ երբ ”flotilla” պիտի ուղարկեն Անի եւ Արարատ blockade and occupation?

ՍՏԱԽՕՍ ՇՈՒՆԵՐ!! ՇՈՒՆԸ ՇՆԻՑ, ԵՐԿՈՒՍՆ ԷԼ ՄԻ ՏՆԻՑ

Edited June 7, 2010 by Arpa

[Arpa]

This is (not) funny. Remember, Helen Thomas is of Christian Lebanese ancestry just like Danny Thomas. She is 90 years old and still KICKING. Seems like she will exit "KICK the bucket" with a BIG BANG!!

Her bio;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Thomas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=447ekAh8AOo&feature=related

In a kingdom of the blind the one eyed is king, or as in the Gulliver’s Travels, in the Lilliputian Kingdom of the blind the sighted is deemed a heretic and condemned to blindness or death. Կոյրերու աշխահում միականանին թագաւոր է, Կամ հերետիկոս?**

Whether she retires, resigns or is fired, she is still the “one eyed among the blind”. No Matter, what she said will reverberate for a long time, perhaps even it will be incorporated in that “book” as “The Gospel According to Helen”.

**Յիշիր որ Աճառեանը եւ Թէքէյանը միականի էին, եւ տես թէ որքան սովորեցրին մեզ երկականիներին:

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100607/ap_on_bi_ge/us_thomas_israel_remarks

Helen Thomas retires in flap over Israel remarks

WASHINGTON – Longtime Washington journalist Helen Thomas abruptly retired Monday as a columnist for Hearst News Service following remarks she made about Israel that were denounced by the White House and her press corps colleagues.

The 89-year-old Thomas, dean of the White House press corps, has long been a fixture in Washington and has been lauded as a pioneering journalist who has covered presidents since 1960.

Known for her confrontational questioning, Thomas apologized for comments that were captured on video and have spread widely on the Internet. On the May 27 video, Thomas says Israelis should "get the hell out of Palestine," suggesting they go to Germany, Poland or the U.S.

Hearst announced her retirement, effective immediately, shortly after White House press secretary Robert Gibbs called her remarks "offensive and reprehensible."

The White House Correspondents Association also issued a rare statement, calling her comments "indefensible."

"Many in our profession who have known Helen for years were saddened by the comments, which were especially unfortunate in light of her role as a trail blazer on the White House beat," said the statement, signed by journalists who are officers of the association.

Thomas had been scheduled to speak at the June 14 graduation of Walt Whitman High School in the Washington suburb of Bethesda, Md., but Principal Alan Goodwin wrote in a Sunday e-mail to students and parents that she was being replaced.

"Graduation celebrations are not the venue for divisiveness," Goodwin wrote.

Thomas wrote on her website that "I deeply regret my comments I made last week regarding the Israelis and the Palestinians."

She added: "They do not reflect my heart-felt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance. May that day come soon."

The national director of the Anti-Defamation League, Abraham H. Foxman, said Sunday that Thomas' apology didn't go far enough.

"Her suggestion that Israelis should go back to Poland and Germany is bigoted and shows a profound ignorance of history," Foxman said in a statement. "We believe Thomas needs to make a more forceful and sincere apology for the pain her remarks have caused."

Thomas began her long career with the wire service United Press International in 1943, and started covering the White House in 1960, according to a biography posted on her website. She became a columnist for Hearst in 2000

Edited June 7, 2010 by Arpa

[Yervant1]

No comment on my part!!!!!!!!!

 

Firedoglake

June 9 2010

 

 

I Denied A Genocide For You People!

 

 

By: Spencer Ackerman Wednesday June 9, 2010 8:00 am Tweet61 Share

 

Must read of the day: Eli Lake's beast of a piece about how the

establishment American Jewish organizations have abandoned their

longstanding sub-rosa efforts lobbying on behalf of the former Israeli

quasi-ally now that the Turkish government has broken with Israel over

Gaza.

 

On the one hand, the Shtetl Elders are throwing `Islamist' at the AK

Party sloppily - Erdogan is a billion light years away from bin Laden,

another demonstration that the term `Islamist' conceals more than it

illuminates - though I suppose no one should be surprised that the

Shtetl leadership is not going to reflect on whether something might

be wrong with Israeli policy if it's alienating its decades-long

friend in the Muslim world. So much more convenient to blame Erdogan.

On the other, Turkey can't reasonably expect the support of the Shtetl

leadership if it's not going to do what the Shtetl leadership wants.

Now's a great time for someone in Congress to propose a resolution

commemorating the Armenian Genocide.

 

And speaking of. It's time to settle a score.

 

Five or six years ago I was at a rager at Eli's old place in

Adams-Morgan. Eli's parties attract a certain crowd: journalists,

flacks, keepers of the eternal Bushian flame, the occasional Chalabi

aide, Jews, people who enjoy soft rock and softer drugs, more Jews. I

always have a good time. On this particular occasion, I found myself

packed near the fridge in a conversation with a fellow Jew - a PR guy

who seemed cool - while we sipped some beers. He mentioned that his

firm did some work for the Turks. Ah, the Turks, I said, drunk, very

cool, very cool. With typical tact, I allowed that there was that one

shame, that whole Armenian Genocide.

 

`Well,' he said, `if you look at the historical record, it's not

entirely so clear-cut what happened.'

 

What? I had read Samantha Power's first book. I knew about Henry

Morgenthau and Robert (`silence on the part of our Government is

perilous and that for our Government to make no public protest against

a crime of such magnitude by a Government on noncombatants, the great

majority of them women and children, is to miss an unusual opportunity

to serve humanity¦') Lansing. I knew that there's drunk and there's

extremely-drunk, but there isn't genocide-denying-drunk.

 

Seriously, man? I said. You're a Jew. How can you say the Armenian

Genocide never happened?

 

Apparently I had walked into the sort of rhetorical trap that a Jewish

PR flack for the uglier side of Turkish interests will spring. `You

can't even compare what we went through to what happened with the

Armenians!' he yelled - well, not yelled, since he kept his cool, with

the kind of condescending demeanor possessed by a guy who knows he

successfully baited an interlocutor, but, uh, stated forcefully.

 

So I wish I had the contact information for that guy. Since I don't,

this will have to do. Hey, fella: how's it feel to deny a genocide on

behalf of the dudes who let the Mavi Marmara sail forth?

 

http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2010/06/09/i-denied-a-genocide-for-you-people/

[Yervant1]

TPMCafé

June 9 2010

 

 

Israel's Ambassador: After Flotilla, It's No More Mister Nice Guy And

Israel Switches on Armenian Genocide

 

By M.J. Rosenberg - June 9, 2010, 7:50AM

 

 

In an interview published today, Israel's ambassador, Michael Oren,

warns that Israel will not continue behaving with restraint if it

keeps getting criticized.

 

"Our critics don't get it," Oren said. "In Jenin, we went

house-to-house and sent 23 soldiers to their death. But if we're going

to be called war criminals no matter what we do, then maybe that

changes our thinking."

Uh, ok. Whole interview is here. Plenty of other telling nuggets too.

 

Also, see Spencer Ackerman here. It turns out that the Israel lobby,

and Israel, has long supported the government of Turkey in its denial

of the Armenian genocide. This was rather amazing considering that

Hitler himself cited the Armenian genocide as a precedent for the

Holocaust.

 

But Israel and its lobby supported Turkey because Turkey was

pro-Israel. End of story. But now that the Israelis (and their lobby)

hate the Turks, they are changing their position on the Armenian

holocaust. It was a genocide after all.

 

Count on AIPAC to get the Armenian genocide bill to be adopted soon.

 

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/09/israels_ambassador_after_flotilla_its_no_more_mist/

[Arpa]

Is HELL hot enough for those sons of "kelev"s**. How about Sodom and Gomorrah, with Fire and Brimstone on thze side? And now, after 50 years of denial, they suddenly rediscover the G word. May they all go to G-ehhenah !!!

Who is it now? The Phillistines or the "flotillines"?***

**See the Aramaic/Arabic word "kelb" to mean "shun". Kelb ibn kelb. In the Armenian it is SSO-ShunShanOrdi.

*** A short time ago some suggested that today's Palestinians were in fact the biblical Philistines. It was readily suppressed and ridiculed.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:064OCPbT-OIJ:www.standingwithisrael.org/synapse/data/2858/documents/Who%2520were%2520the%2520Philistines.doc+are+palestinians+philistines&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Edit. For those who may deem the above be an antisemitic/ant-shem-shittik.. Unlike them, we have our own own HELL, except that OUR HELL is exactly where the GARDEN OF EDEN WAS.

Edited June 10, 2010 by Arpa

[MosJan]

it's dipresing !!!. my nations question is a poker chip in hands of others... vay dzer mern & manuk@...

[MosJan]

nayeq verjum es amen inchi hamar mez en meghadrelu...

[Yervant1]

it's dipresing !!!. my nations question is a poker chip in hands of others... vay dzer mern & manuk@...

All these years they were screaming from the top of their lungs, that the acceptance of AG will hurt the US interests. Now all of a sudden it's OK? I guess it was not the US interests in their minds after all. HYPOCRITES

[Arpa]

All these years they were screaming from the top of their lungs, that the acceptance of AG will hurt the US interests. Now all of a sudden it's OK? I guess it was not the US interests in their minds after all. HYPOCRITES

MAY BOTH OF THEIR BOATILLA/FLOTILLA SINK TO THE BOTTOM OF ATLANTIS!!!

ՇՈՒՆԸ ՇԱՆԻՑ ԵՐԿՈՒՍՆԷԼ ՄԻ ՏԱՆԻՑ

Edited June 10, 2010 by Arpa

[Arpa]

Another “paper tiger” shredded?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Qm2i8mXTjhs/SZQCvDQGywI/AAAAAAAABOY/oypFCJ4Nbos/s400/oragamilion.jpg

Another “paper ship” sunk?

Kontiki;

http://www.biocrawler.com/w/images/6/69/KonTiki.jpg

Edit: I forgot to add these two to the armada.

http://www.wildnatureimages.com/Kayaking_Picture.htm

http://thebaumer.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/noahs_ark_rainbow.jpg

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177789

More than ten days ago we heard that a “reverse flotilla” was in the forming, and that it would sail and protest at the coasts of furkey. What happened? Another "flotilla was sinkillaed"? Did natan-yahudi torpedo it?

There is an Armenian saying- “Ourishin paranov hor ijnel/Ուրիշին պարանով հոր իջնել”. Lowering at a well with someone else’s rope. What if the rope breaks? Who cares?

Ideas for ‘reverse flotillas’ gain steam

By ABE SELIG

06/08/2010 04:01

Israeli groups mull sailing toward Turkey to "remind the world of Turkish hypocrisy."

Talkbacks (67)

Although most of the recent talk regarding flotillas has revolved around ships sailing toward Gaza, at least two plans have emerged for “reverse flotillas” – from Israel toward Turkey – to highlight what organizers have labeled the Turks’ “shameless hypocrisy” in their criticisms of the Jewish state.

The most ambitious of the two plans has been devised by members of Israel’s National Student Union, who this week announced their intention to set sail toward Turkey, in an effort to bring humanitarian aid to the “oppressed people of Turkish Kurdistan” and to members of the “Turkish Armenian minority.”

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Student Union chairman Boaz Torporovsky, who has been leading the reverse flotilla charge, told The Jerusalem Post on Monday, “Hundreds of people have volunteered for the flotilla, and many more are contacting us all the time for ways they can help.

“Our plan is to deliver much-needed humanitarian assistance to the Kurds of Turkey, who by the way outnumber Israelis and Palestinians combined,” he said.

“And to show that Turkey has its own issues when it comes to the treatment of its minorities, which they should consider before criticizing us.”

Torporovsky added that the National Student Union members had two separate flotilla ideas, both of which they hoped to embark on soon. The first was a flotilla of private yachts that would head out to sea if additional Gaza-bound flotillas entered Israeli waters.

“We would like to greet them at sea,” he said. “And explain to them, peacefully – we don’t want any violence – what it is that’s really going on here.

We’d like to show them the truth and help them understand that the reality here is not what they’ve been told.”

Torporovsky said that many yacht owners had already volunteered for that phase of the plan, and that he and his colleagues were preparing for the arrival of a number of Gaza bound ships, of European or even Iranian origin.

The second phase of the National Student Union members’ flotilla plan would be the more ambitious journey to Turkey, though Torporovsky admitted they were hard-pressed when it came to funding it.

“We need three things to pull this part off,” he said.

“Money, logistical support and balls – and we’ve got the last two things covered.

“But it’s here that we really get into the shameless hypocrisy of the Turks, because while they criticize us day and night, they are oppressing the Kurds and silencing the world when it comes to recognition of the Armenian Genocide.”

Torporovsky said his group had already found a captain for the vessel, a retired Israel Navy sailor, but the ship itself was proving harder to acquire.

“It’s not easy to find a large, sea-bound vessel,” he said.

“But we’re looking, and we’re raising funds, and as soon as we’re able to do it, we will.”

But the reverse-flotilla talk hasn’t stopped there.

Another sea-bound venture is being organized in an effort to draw attention to Turkey’s own controversial policies – this time to Cyprus, to “call for an end to the Turkish occupation” of the island’s northern half – and is being organized by Meretz activist Pinchas Har-Zahav, and his son Haim, who has also signed on for the voyage.

The group is also set to include Alex Goldfarb, who was an MK with the Tzomet and Yiud parties from 1992 to 1996, and is being subsidized by an unnamed wealthy Israeli.

Speaking to the Post on Monday, Haim Har-Zahav said the goal of the voyage was to “remind the world that Turkey is not innocent.

“If Uruguay or Iceland were the ones criticizing us so harshly, it might be a different story,” he said. “But we’re talking about a country that only seven years after [the Six Day War and the beginning of Israeli control of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank] began occupying Cyprus.

“We’re talking about a country that has systematically killed the Kurds and refuses to acknowledge their role in the Armenian Genocide,” he said.

“And so no, we will not accept this. The hypocrisy has to stop here.”

Har-Zahav added that the ship’s passengers were not looking for a violent confrontation and if told to turn back, they would.

“But we feel that it’s important for us to show and remind the world that Turkey is not a righteous country, but a near-rogue state, and that we, the Israeli people, are not suckers.”

Gil Hoffman contributed to this report

Edited June 11, 2010 by Arpa

[Dave]

Another "paper tiger" shredded?

http://1.bp.blogspot...oragamilion.jpg

Another "paper ship" sunk?

Kontiki;

http://www.biocrawle.../69/KonTiki.jpg

http://www.jpost.com....aspx?id=177789

More than ten days ago we heard that a "reverse flotilla" was in the forming, and that it would sail and protest at the coasts of furkey. What happened? Another "flotilla was sinkillaed"? Did natan-yahudi torpedo it?

There is an Armenian saying- "Ourishin paranov hor ijnel/Ուրիշին պարանով հոր իջնել". Lowering at a well with someone else's rope. What if the rope breaks? Who cares?

 

 

Perhaps the Israelis figured out that they'd be making a bigger and costless wave by simply supporting Armenian genocide recognition.

[Yervant1]

Perhaps the Israelis figured out that they'd be making a bigger and costless wave by simply supporting Armenian genocide recognition.

I hope they never do, even if they did one day it won't be a honest the truth one.

[Arpa]

Shun@ shnits, yerkousn el mi tnits.

Dog to dog, both from the same (dog)-house.

Anyone here know the meaning of the Armenian word qtsnil? To sidle, to lick a**. Like -brown nosing-.

That netanyahoodi is so full of s**it, his eyes are turning brown.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21902273

 

Israel PM apologies for Gaza flotilla deaths

Israel's prime minister has apologised to Turkey for "any errors that could have led to loss of life" during the 2010 raid on a flotilla that tried to breach the blockade of Gaza.