American Idiot

[gamavor]

RECOGNIZING ARMENIAN GENOCIDE, US SENATOR CALLS ON TO FORGET IT

 

ArmInfo

2010-04-21 11:58:00

 

ArmInfo. An influential American Senator John McCain said in the

interview with Voice of America that he stands for tightening of

American-Turkish relations. At the same time, he showed his lack of

knowledge of historical facts.

 

As McCain said, he highly appreciated American-Turkish relations.

 

"U.S. and Turkey have been friends and allies for years. Turks fought

beside U.S. troops in many wars", he said having forgotten that Turkey

and the USA were opponents during the World Wars I and II. Just on the

contrary, Armenia was US ally (in the World War II in USSR structure

- Ed.). "I hope we will do our utmost to maintain Turkish-Armenian

relations. Armenian Genocide should not become an everlasting issue in

Turkish-Armenian relations", senator said. He added that modern Turkey

cannot be responsible for the events of the times of the World War I.

 

"I am confident, what happened was genocide, but I state it was

perpetrated in other times and under another government. This should

be considered by all parties", McCain said. He thinks the Europeans

make a mistake hampering Turkey's joining EU. He is concern about the

problems in Turkish-Israeli relations and hopes for their elimination.

 

http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg315039.html

 

 

PS: Such revelation hardly can be left without a comment.The only war that Turks and Americans were allies was the Cold war! However America did everything possible to cover up Turkish crimes against humanity. That must be a lesson for us. Unfortunately it was we that were allies with the Americans and I hope never to repeat the same mistake again:)

[Moushegh]

It appears that McCain is in the early stages of senility / dementia.

[gamavor]

It appears that McCain is in the early stages of senility / dementia.

 

The problem with people like him is that if they are not considered heros, they must be in the jail.

[Moushegh]

McCain, a downed Navy pilot, was a prisoner in Hanoi for 5 1/2 years, however his staunch resistance to laying open the POW/MIA records has baffled colleagues and others who have followed his career.

 

The Arizona senator almost never brings up and has never been open about — his long-time opposition to releasing documents and information about American prisoners of war in Vietnam and the missing in action who have still not been accounted for.

 

 

McCain has said again and again that he has seen no “credible” evidence that more than a tiny handful of men might have been alive in captivity after the official prison return in 1973. He dismisses all of the subsequent radio intercepts, live sightings, satellite photos, CIA reports, defector information, recovered enemy documents and reports of ransom demands — thousands and thousands of pieces of information indicating live captives — as meaningless. He has even described these intelligence reports as the rough equivalent of UFO and alien sightings.

 

 

 

Those still searching for answers point to his best-selling autobiography, 'Faith of My Fathers,' half of which is devoted to his years as a prisoner. In the book, he says he felt badly throughout his captivity because he knew he was being treated more leniently than his fellow POWs owing to his propaganda value as the son of Adm. John S. McCain II, who was then the CINCPAC — commander in chief of all U.S. forces in the Pacific region, including Vietnam. (His captors considered him a prize catch and nicknamed him the “Crown Prince.”)

 

Also in the book, the Arizona Senator repeatedly expresses guilt and disgrace at having broken under torture and given the North Vietnamese a taped confession, broadcast over the camp loudspeakers, saying he was a war criminal who had, among other acts, bombed a school. “I felt faithless and couldn’t control my despair,” he writes. He writes, revealing that he made two half-hearted attempts at suicide. Most tellingly, he said he lived in “dread” that his father would find out. “I still wince,” he says, “when I recall wondering if my father had heard of my disgrace.”

[MosJan]

Astvats togh amen mardu ir srty gyora togh ta... tes sran ela tvel.. karrogh er che normal mard liner, asenq koshkakan, shinarar, bayts che nran qaghaqakan gortsicha tvel..

[Eire]

McCain, a downed Navy pilot, was a prisoner in Hanoi for 5 1/2 years, however his staunch resistance to laying open the POW/MIA records has baffled colleagues and others who have followed his career.

 

The Arizona senator almost never brings up and has never been open about — his long-time opposition to releasing documents and information about American prisoners of war in Vietnam and the missing in action who have still not been accounted for.

 

 

McCain has said again and again that he has seen no “credible” evidence that more than a tiny handful of men might have been alive in captivity after the official prison return in 1973. He dismisses all of the subsequent radio intercepts, live sightings, satellite photos, CIA reports, defector information, recovered enemy documents and reports of ransom demands — thousands and thousands of pieces of information indicating live captives — as meaningless. He has even described these intelligence reports as the rough equivalent of UFO and alien sightings.

 

 

 

Those still searching for answers point to his best-selling autobiography, 'Faith of My Fathers,' half of which is devoted to his years as a prisoner. In the book, he says he felt badly throughout his captivity because he knew he was being treated more leniently than his fellow POWs owing to his propaganda value as the son of Adm. John S. McCain II, who was then the CINCPAC — commander in chief of all U.S. forces in the Pacific region, including Vietnam. (His captors considered him a prize catch and nicknamed him the “Crown Prince.”)

 

Also in the book, the Arizona Senator repeatedly expresses guilt and disgrace at having broken under torture and given the North Vietnamese a taped confession, broadcast over the camp loudspeakers, saying he was a war criminal who had, among other acts, bombed a school. “I felt faithless and couldn’t control my despair,” he writes. He writes, revealing that he made two half-hearted attempts at suicide. Most tellingly, he said he lived in “dread” that his father would find out. “I still wince,” he says, “when I recall wondering if my father had heard of my disgrace.”

 

I find it to be a low blow to take a strike at his captivity and torture just because his interests don't coincide with our own.

 

Let him be ignorant, let him be an idiot, let him be a Turkish tool.

You can't hate him for putting his countries interests ahead of our own, even though he's in the wrong.

Granted, he's in the wrong, and probably knows it, but he is a politician after all.

 

Behaving like this is shameful. Attacking people personally because they refuse to help us doesn't encourage help, it encourages bitterness and hate.

 

Fighting for our cause doesn't include bullying those who don't

 

Just my thoughts

Eire

[gamavor]

Let him be ignorant, let him be an idiot, let him be a Turkish tool.

You can't hate him for putting his countries interests ahead of our own, even though he's in the wrong.

Granted, he's in the wrong, and probably knows it, but he is a politician after all.

 

He is not putting his country’s interests above our own. He is putting third country's interests above our own and that's what worries me. Albeit a politician of his caliber cannot say and do things in such manner, except maybe if he is an American politician talking to the American biomass, i.e. audience.

[Moushegh]

I find it to be a low blow to take a strike at his captivity and torture just because his interests don't coincide with our own.

 

Let him be ignorant, let him be an idiot, let him be a Turkish tool.

You can't hate him for putting his countries interests ahead of our own, even though he's in the wrong.

Granted, he's in the wrong, and probably knows it, but he is a politician after all.

 

Behaving like this is shameful. Attacking people personally because they refuse to help us doesn't encourage help, it encourages bitterness and hate.

 

Fighting for our cause doesn't include bullying those who don't

 

Just my thoughts

Eire

 

Hi Eire,

 

I believe you may have misunderstood my post, as far as what I said and what he himself said.

I wasn't taking a cheap shot at McCain - unless you consider presenting some facts about McCain as dealing a "low blow."

 

I think the OP was a bit funny, considering the obvious and idiotic error McCain made.

In my second post I was merely laying out some history on McCain and saying that he has come under heavy scrutiny (and attempted physical confrontations) from fellow American citizens and POWs, for his stance.

 

What is, in my opinion, "shameful" is for a POW to oppose the releasing of documents and information about American POWs and MIAs who have still not been accounted for.

[hetanos]

Hi Eire,

 

I believe you may have misunderstood my post, as far as what I said and what he himself said.

I wasn't taking a cheap shot at McCain - unless you consider presenting some facts about McCain as dealing a "low blow."

 

I think the OP was a bit funny, considering the obvious and idiotic error McCain made.

In my second post I was merely laying out some history on McCain and saying that he has come under heavy scrutiny (and attempted physical confrontations) from fellow American citizens and POWs, for his stance.

 

What is, in my opinion, "shameful" is for a POW to oppose the releasing of documents and information about American POWs and MIAs who have still not been accounted for.

 

What is shameful that he was dropping bombs over peaceful population of Hanoi. It is also shameful that he was part of Keating 5 scandal and really shameful for bringing Palin into a mix during the last elections. Political pig or a prostitute? Your choice.

[Eire]

Hi Eire,

 

I believe you may have misunderstood my post, as far as what I said and what he himself said.

I wasn't taking a cheap shot at McCain - unless you consider presenting some facts about McCain as dealing a "low blow."

 

I think the OP was a bit funny, considering the obvious and idiotic error McCain made.

In my second post I was merely laying out some history on McCain and saying that he has come under heavy scrutiny (and attempted physical confrontations) from fellow American citizens and POWs, for his stance.

 

What is, in my opinion, "shameful" is for a POW to oppose the releasing of documents and information about American POWs and MIAs who have still not been accounted for.

 

I understand and hope you see that my intention was never to attack you Mousegh Jan!

[Eire]

What is shameful that he was dropping bombs over peaceful population of Hanoi. It is also shameful that he was part of Keating 5 scandal and really shameful for bringing Palin into a mix during the last elections. Political pig or a prostitute? Your choice.

 

All politicians are prostitutes, thats the point Im trying to get across.

 

Also, "dropping bombs over the peaceful population of Hanoi"? Sounds like someone read "A People's History of America"...

 

Eire

[hetanos]

All politicians are prostitutes, thats the point Im trying to get across.

 

Also, "dropping bombs over the peaceful population of Hanoi"? Sounds like someone read "A People's History of America"...

 

Eire

 

I keep it in my library. Howard was a great guy, too bad he is not with us anymore. I take you have no problems with that war?

[Eire]

I keep it in my library. Howard was a great guy, too bad he is not with us anymore. I take you have no problems with that war?

 

I have a problem with good white men dying for a cause that isn't their own, but a war to fight communism is a noble enough endeavor.

Seeing as how you enjoy collecting rubbish books, might I suggest "the Cat in the Hat" by Dr Seuss? I find his views on Viet Nam to be just as accurate as Howard's

 

Cheers mate!

Your friend

Eire

[hetanos]

I have a problem with good white men dying for a cause that isn't their own, but a war to fight communism is a noble enough endeavor.

Seeing as how you enjoy collecting rubbish books, might I suggest "the Cat in the Hat" by Dr Seuss? I find his views on Viet Nam to be just as accurate as Howard's

 

Cheers mate!

Your friend

Eire

 

No thanks:) I suspect what books do you have in your collection. Why don't you fight the Chinese then? Good White Men...Btw. Most good white men protested Vietnam, along with a few brown and black men as well.

[Eire]

No thanks:) I suspect what books do you have in your collection. Why don't you fight the Chinese then? Good White Men...Btw. Most good white men protested Vietnam, along with a few brown and black men as well.

 

"Most" white men? Doubtful.

I find it really sad to see Armenians that still lean towards the left, especially communism... How many times are we going to have to be slapped in the face before we learn?

 

Eire

[Moushegh]

I understand and hope you see that my intention was never to attack you Mousegh Jan!

 

 

No offense taken, Eire jan. I appreciate your input.

 

 

 

 

What is shameful that he was dropping bombs over peaceful population of Hanoi. It is also shameful that he was part of Keating 5 scandal and really shameful for bringing Palin into a mix during the last elections. Political pig or a prostitute? Your choice.

Well said, Hetanos jan.

To answer your question though, I believe it was Reagen who said something to the effect of "Politics is the world's second oldest profession, but is almost indistinguishable from the first."

[hetanos]

"Most" white men? Doubtful.

I find it really sad to see Armenians that still lean towards the left, especially communism... How many times are we going to have to be slapped in the face before we learn?

 

Eire

 

No one is advocating communist ideology here. I just pointed out the "heroics" of would be ex Arizona Senator. The maverick changed his tune again about the immigration policy. If I remember correctly, a few years ago he advocated a comprehensive immigration policy that would pave a way for legalization of many people in USA. Now he is just another tea party member trying to get reelected in Arizona and supports Nazi or Soviet style routine document check in his state.

[hetanos]

No offense taken, Eire jan. I appreciate your input.

 

 

 

 

 

Well said, Hetanos jan.

To answer your question though, I believe it was Reagen who said something to the effect of "Politics is the world's second oldest profession, but is almost indistinguishable from the first."

 

Well, McCain always mentions Reagan on every occasion and reminds people that he got elected into Senate during the Reagan Revolution in 1980.

[ED]

what good came out of Reagen "revolution"? he lifted every single regulations, on airlines, corporations,( remember Enron?) you name it and killed the middle class, did you know people in Northern CA pay 3$ a month, and this law was written 200+ years ago to help settlers.....yet we in southern California pay pay more for water then the food we consume.

[Boghos]

As usual we pay too much attention to whichever fool-of-the-day has to say about the AG.