Verin Khachen

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ՔԱՐՎԱՃԱՌ???

Qarvajar/Qaravajar Քարավաճառ ?

Verin Khachen/Վերին Խաչեն?

Nor- Shahumian/նոր Շահումեան?**

Qyalbajar/Քյալբաջառ?

Which genius idiot came up with the idea that “kelbajar” is a corruption of “qarvarajar”?

Are they the same who claim “jenats” means “chinats”?

HUH!!!

Please don’t confuse me anymore. As is I am more confused than Confucius.

Which is it?

In another thread I expressed my indignation as to why some of us still call that town by its furkish name “kelbajar”. The stupidest of all. Some “geniuses” have suggested that the name is a corruption of the Armenian “qarvajar/stone merchant”. DUH!!! And double DUH!!!. Shall we assume that the other town “dashkesen” is a corruption of “dakesian”?

”qelbajarum mi hogevorakan”? Does that “hogevorakan” speak Armenian? Does he know that there is no “kelbajar/qelbajar” anymore? Damn it!! When our most educated (?) “hogevorakans” still speak furkish!!! And they expect us to donate for the enrichment and promotion of “QELBAJAR“ of azeristan?

Posted 08 March 2010 - 10:08 PM

Qelbajarum mi hoqevorakan porcum a zoragndi hamar gradaran stegtsi, vor zinvorner@ azat jamanak hayeren qrqer kardan. Inch kartsiqi es, menq ayd naxagtsin miananq, te mi kariqavor zinvori/azatamartiki porcenq ogneq?

How about our “geniuses” call Stepanakert by its furkish name “khankenti” and rename Shushi shusha, rename Vayots Dzor by its soviet time “azizbekov“ when “yeghbayr eyin dardzel Hayastan azerbaijan"?

Can we all come together and stop that nonsense of calling ARTSAKH- NKR,Lghim, kara…, ghara…whatever???

Don’t go by me. I am an idiot . I talk too much. I will SHUT UP when we stop referring to those Armenian Lands as NKR, kara… ghara.. or whatever else gaga.

In the meantime, enjoy the pictures below;

http://community.livejournal.com/karabakh/49370.html

**Many previously displaced residents of Shahumian have resettled there and renamed it so.

Also enjoy these.

Edited March 12, 2010 by Arpa

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In the meantime, enjoy the pictures below;

http://community.livejournal.com/karabakh/49370.html

 

 

Enjoyed them immensely. Այ քեզ բնություն: Լացս եկավ:

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We are so clueless and careless, I mean we don’t care.

We are so haphazard.

We don’t give a thought before we act from the seat of our pants.

No research on history and geography is conducted before we name and rename our towns and villages..

Karvachar?

What in the world does it mean?

Where does it come from?

Armenians are so stupid.

An attempt to armeianize furkish names like kelbajar to Armenian Karvachar?

The historic Armenian name of that town was Khachen.

We take Khachen-kelb***ajar and rename it karvajar just to imitate and rhyme wit the furkish name. .

HUH!! Stone merchant??***

The former name of the village is Djabrail, now it is called Djrakan, you can find it on Google map.

jebrail was known Vardanakert historically.;

http://www.armsite.com/maps/arshakunians.phtml

http://www.armsite.com/maps/mshow.phtml?when=arshakunians&slide=3

Kelbajar-Խաչէն, Փայտաակարան

Jebrail- Վարդանակերտ

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Azizbekov? Now renamed Vayots Dzor Who the h**** is was azizbekov? An asszeri communist activist, A contemporary and comrade in arms of Shahumian?(another sore subject) who shared the latter’s fate in 1918.

http://www.armenica.org/history/maps/241soviet_armenia.gif

We are so lackadaisically politically and emotionally motivated, with very little or no intellectuality.

jalaloghlu (until 1923) now Stepanavan, historically was known as Tashir-Dzoraget. In 1938 we renamed it Stepanavan in honor of that commie clown. Besides we named a million other places for him, like Shahumian, Stepanakert (Historic Vararakn) etc. When we lost that inanely named northern district of Artsakh we inanely, without batting an eye moved it south west and renamed Khachen- shahumian. Will someone please tell me who the h*** he is?

How many places did he sleep at?.

See Washington Slept Here. According to legend he may have slept in my backyard.**

We took chanakhchi , the birthplace of Sevak , historic Avetaranots and renamed it Sovetashen, now, once again named Sevak.

Who are we kidding?

We take Gumri/Elizathvol rename it leninakan, , Vanadzor (karakilisa, kirovakan) back to vanadzor

To not forget all those places named noyemberian, oktemberian, et al . How can we forget lenin square, renamed Republic Square. statue of stalin now renamed Mother Armenia.We

Shall we continue?

WHO THE HELL IS STEPAN SHAHUMIAN that a million places are named for?

We renamed historical Tigranaket, aka the furkish aghdam Akn/aghn to just imitate and rhyme with the A name.

 

Don’t we have other heroes.

To not forget that other Idependant Armenian Land Artsakh is still referred to as kara%*&%@ whatever not only by us mere mortals but by our so called intellectuals and the official sites of the REPUBLIC.

What is next? Are we going to rename our towns and villages Putingrad or Obamaland?

http://www.nkrusa.org/

Also see this

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=16282&page=4&hl=kelbajar#entry297655

** http://connecticuthistory.org/george-washington-slept-here-just-perhaps-not-well/

***No wonder some call Hyastan Karastan/StoneLand.

 

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Above we spoke about the 5 Melikdoms.Kingdoms if you will, Princedoms/Principalities of Artsakh, sometimes known as Khamsayi Melikutiunner@. In particular we were talking about Khachen that some say is called Karvajar now.

Note. Once again, khamsa is an Arabic word meaning five. The reason being that most of the information is from Arab historians.

Here are those five. If the system will not open each separately go to the URL below and see. Including their maps.

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Armenian Melikdoms

 

Five principalities of Karabakh (Gyulistan, Jaraberd, Khachen, Varand, Dizaq), the last relict of Armenian statehood (16th century)

Princedom Khachen existed until 16th–17th century and has broken up into five small princedoms ("melikdoms"):

Giulistan or Talish Melikdom included the territory from Ganja to the bed of the River Tartar.

Dzraberd or Charaberd Melikdom was situated in the territory stretching from the River Tartar to the River Khachenaget.

Khachen Melikdom existed in the territory from the River Khachenaget to the River Karkar.

Varanda[disambiguation needed] Melikdom included the territory from Karkar to the southern side of Big Kirs mountain.

Dizak Melikdom stretched from the southern slope of Big Kirs mountain to the River Arax

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Nagorno-Karabakh

In addition, see the History od Artsakh , including the etymology of the name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artsakh