PROTOCOLS

[Yervant1]

Presently Turkey is in no mood for Protocols

In case of military coup in Turkey, Armenia will get a very

unpredictable and dangerous neighbor, which, by the way, has always

been such.

26.02.2010 GMT+04:00

 

Thus, the Armenian-Turkish Protocols reached an impasse, or rather

fell into the trap set by Azerbaijan and the ruling Justice and

Development Party (AKP) in Turkey. Detentions of senior military

officials, who are accused of the coup attempt organized in 2003 may

lead to two consequences: either there will really be a military coup,

or the secular government will be finally replaced by an Islamic one.

In either case the country will have to face instability and setback

that will immediately reflect on ratification of the Protocols by the

Turkish Parliament.

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ By the way, most apparently the Turkish Parliament

was not going to ratify the Protocols anyway. As always Ankara pinned

its hopes on blackmail and threats, without delving into the essence

of the problem. But the fact is that for Turkey the Protocols could be

the only road to Europe. It was an issue of secondary importance

whether Armenian-Turkish relations would be normalized. The essential

point was opening of the border, but Ankara did not realize or refused

to realize this importance. Detentions of military officials began

just as the country's leadership came to the conclusion that

international community can no longer be influenced and it has firmly

decided to push ratification of the Protocols. In case of military

coup in Turkey, Armenia will get a very unpredictable and dangerous

neighbor, which, by the way, has always been such. But now the danger

is much greater and no one can foretell how the confrontation between

the generals and the AKP will end. As a result of the possible coup,

we'll witness a new round of Kurdish-Turkish confrontation in close

proximity to the Armenian border. A more detailed inspection of the

situation brings up several questions, the first of them being why the

coup, which was prepared in 2003, was not suppressed then. Or is it

possible that the AKP had kept it `in reserve' to use in case of

unexpected developments in the region? As long as Turkey was rapidly

gaining weight and with the help of Russia and the United States it

had a chance to really become a regional power in near future, the

army had taken the government side. Or, at least, so it seemed.

Moreover, the army, so true to the precepts of Kemalism, favoured

Turkey's integration into the EU. What is more, after the August war

in South Ossetia, it was Turkey that revived the completely forgotten

Platform of Stability in the Caucasus. And it was Turkey that for some

reason decided she could settle the Karabakh conflict and become

co-chair of the OSCE Minsk Group.

 

The blame for such behavior of Ankara should be assigned to the

superpowers, which hurried to declare Turkey a bridge from East to

West, from Islam to Christianity. And only the French President kept

to his position. According to him, there is no place for Turkey in

Europe. Roughly the same happened 100 years ago, when with the support

of then powers Germany, Russia and the United Kingdom the Ottoman

Empire got involved in the World War I. As a result the Young Turks

slaughtered almost the entire Christian population of the Empire, and

these were not only Armenians, but also Greeks and Assyrians. And then

Ataturk came, and Turkey began to build something of a `civilized'

state, which was collapsed 50 years ago, after the first military

coup. Afterwards there were three more - in 1971, 1980 and 1997. So

there is nothing particularly surprising - military coups in Turkey

are a custom that started with the Janissaries, who overthrew the

sultan then.

 

They were especially the military coups that led the powers to show a

more restrained attitude towards Turkey, because nobody knows what

consequences next coup can have. But, be that as it may, nothing may

happen this time. In the face of the threat of opening the

Armenian-Turkish border, or, more specifically, in the face of the

superpowers' support for Armenia, the army will not decide on an open

confrontation. But an excellent excuse is chosen for the protocols.

However, Ankara should keep in mind that Armenia will not be seeking

excuses for denunciation of the Protocols. According to the supplement

to the `Law on international treaties' adopted the other day, the

Armenian President is granted such a right. So, the future of the

Protocols is rather dim. If Ankara is reluctant to obey direct signals

from Washington, it means Turkey has decided she can do what she

pleases. This position is fundamentally vulnerable and entails

far-reaching consequences. Under the present circumstances there is

nothing good for Ankara. And no matter how hard the Azeri media tries

to pass the desirable for reality, the Turkish press is soberer in

this sense. And when Mehmet Ali Birand writes that Turkey and

Azerbaijan have found themselves in diplomatic isolation, he knows

what he says.

 

Karine Ter-Sahakyan

«PanARMENIAN.Net» analytical department

[Aratta-Kingdom]

Es naxagah@ storadasutyan barduytov a tarapum. Qaj Nazar Robi pes, sra baxtn el berec vor ardzanagrutyunneri het kapvats lurj xndirner kan. Husov em Levonakanner@ shat chen uraxana. Iranc naxagan shat shat aveli vtangavor a qan Robn u Serj@ miasin vercrats. Espisi baxtaxndirneric petq a jam araj dzerpazatvel. Serji ashxatakazumum kan mardik ovqer Hayastan@ shat lurj xndirneri mej en nerqashum. Yete espes gna, Hayastanin vorpe petutyun@, haziv 30 tarva kyanq a mnacel. Yeritasardutyun@ aravotic gisher palasi pes odnoklassnikum a. Kartses et sit@ darcel a virtual bardak mets u poqreri hamar. Hamatarats vaxi, antarberutyan, u zorbayutyan mtnolorti mej, es apushner@ inches enyerkir karavarum? Es b-zi tgheq@ yerkir@ tanlu en kartsanman. Es apushnerin tarel tlpatel, u braxel en jogovrdi vra vor yerkir@ nesic qanden.

[Aratta-Kingdom]

Serj, the moron, Sargisyan is the best lobbyist the turks ever had.

 

 

 

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ARF Blames Protocols For Tight U.S. House Vote on Genocide Bill

 

 

AsbarezOnline

YEREVAN (RFE/RL)–The opposition Armenian Revolutionary Federation blamed on Friday Armenia's controversial agreements with Turkey for the difficulty with which pro-Armenian lawmakers pushed their latest genocide resolution through a U.S. congressional committee.

 

The House Foreign Affairs Committee approved the non-binding measures by 23 votes to 22. The outcome of the vote, which lasted for over 90 minutes, hang in the balance until the last minute. The panel passed similar resolutions, most recently in 2007, by much wider margins in the past.

 

Committee members opposed to the resolution argued, among other things, that the fence-mending Turkish-Armenian protocols call for the formation of a joint "subcommission" that would study the 1915 mass killings of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. They also said calling the massacres a genocide could scuttle Turkish parliamentary ratification of the protocols.

 

Armen Rustamian, the chairman of the ARF's supreme body in Armenia, said this is the reason why several U.S. congressmen declined to vote for the genocide bill this time around.

 

"I think all those who followed the committee debate understood and saw very well just how these protocols can put the brakes on the process of international recognition of the Armenian genocide," Rustamian told a news conference. "When we had been saying that for months, many thought that this is just a partisan view."

 

Giro Manoyan, the party's political director, agreed, saying that the protocols have given opponents of U.S. recognition of the genocide a new argument.

 

The ARF has been highly critical of President Serzh Sarkisian's policy of rapprochement with Turkey that culminated in the signing of the protocols last October. Their leaders have repeatedly said that Ankara will exploit the would-be historical "subcommission" to deter the United States and other nations from recognizing the genocide.

 

Sarkisian and his political allies insist, however that the Turkish-Armenian rapprochement will not slow the recognition process.

Edited March 8, 2010 by Aratta-Kingdom

[Aratta-Kingdom]

 

 

Why is Turkey shy of normalizing relations with Armenia?

Caucaz.com

http://www.caucaz.com/home_eng/breve_contenu.php?id=366

 

By Haroutiun KHACHATRIAN

 

 

The Turkish-Armenian relations have been frozen since 1993, as Turkey closed its border with Armenia as a sign of solidarity with ethnically related Azerbaijan, which was losing the war with Armenia on Nagorno Karabakh. On October 10, 2009, Turkey and Armenia signed protocols in Zurich about normalizing diplomatic relations and opening their common border. However, the real normalization process has not started yet. Why?

 

 

 

Why to ratify the protocols?

 

Usually, establishing normal diplomatic relations between two countries is the prerogative of the governments: they sign the respective documents and open representations in the capitals of the partner country as they find it appropriate. Meanwhile, the Zurich protocols between Turkey and Armenia are said to be enacted only after ratification by the parliaments of both countries. Why? Although the details of preparation of these protocols are not made public (they were the product of long negotiations with Swiss mediation), it is evident that this precondition was set by Turkey, the strongest side. Indeed, Armenia would be happy to normalize its relations with its mighty neighbor and to get its border opened after 16 years of blockade as soon as possible. To recap, Turkey closed its border whith Armenia in April 1993 and imposed an embargo on the Armenian imports, which causes much difficulty to Armenia. The Georgian-Russian war of 2008 showed how dangerous is the situation, when a country has, like Armenia, only one railway link connecting it with the outer world. So, obviously, the precondition to ratify the protocols before enacting them was set by Turkey; apparently Ankara hoped to get some additional concessions from Yerevan in exchange for normalizing the relations and opening the border.

 

An interesting detail is that Russia, the USA and the European Union, all support the soonest normalization of the Turkish-Armenian relations. It is an extremely rare situation when these three “centers of power” are unanimous about a particular issue, despite numerous conflicts of their interests, including in the South Caucasus region. Hillary Clinton, Sergey Lavrov, Bernard Kouchner and Xavier Solana attended the signature ceremony in Zurich, as best evidence of their solidarity on this issue.

 

What are the additional preconditions of Turkey?

 

They are well known. There are three additional goals Turkey would like to reach:

 

First, this is its hope to force Armenia to make concessions to Azerbaijan around Nagorno Karabakh. Starting 1993, Turkey had not opened its border with Armenia seeking such concessions. This policy gave no results and Turkey signed with Armenia protocols, in which there was not a single word about Nagorno Karabakh. Nevertheless, Ankara hopes to get after signing the protocols what it had failed to get during the previous 16 years of the blockade. At least, the public statements of Turkish leaders speak about this. The great powers support the position of Armenia that the Karabakh settlement mediated by the OSCE Minsk group is a separate process having no relation with the Turkish-Armenian normalization. During the visit of the Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayip Erdogan to Moscow on 12 January, his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin voiced this position publicly.

 

Second, it is the hope of Turkey to stop the process of international recognition of the Armenian Genocide of 1915. To recap, now more than 20 countries have officially recognized the Armenian massacres in the Ottoman Empire as genocide and this process had started well before Armenia became an independent state due to the collapse of the USSR (for example, Uruguay recognized the Armenian Genocide in 1965, the European Parliament adopted a similar resolution in 1987, etc.). As for Armenia, recognition of the Genocide is required by its Constitution and its National Security Concept, and the Armenian leaders have repeatedly said that normalization with Turkey would not result in stopping its efforts to reach worldwide recognition of the Genocide. Concerns about this issue were (and still are) especially high in the Armenian Diaspora, as it is mostly composed of descendants of genocide survivors. As the Armenian leadership pays much importance to the opinion of the Diaspora, in early October, shortly before the Zurich signing ceremony, Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan initiated an unprecedented move. He flew 40,000 kilometers during five days and had meetings with representatives of Armenian communities in Paris, New York, Los Angeles, Beirut and Rostov-on-Don, to discuss the protocols and explain his positions to them, although they were all foreign citizens. The protocols contain no notion about the Genocide issue, but the sides will, in the course of normalization, design a “sub-commission on historical dimension.” What the job of that sub-commisson will be has been extensively discussed in both countries and governments.

 

Third, Turkey hopes that normalization will bring to an official recognition by Yerevan of the current Turkish-Armenian border, which is the former Turkish-Soviet border. According to the Zurich protocols, the sides confirm “the mutual recognition of the existing border between the two countries is defined by the relevant treaties of international law.” Meanwhile, the current de facto border was established by the Treaty of Kars signed in 1921 by the Communist leaders of Russia with General Mustafa Kemal. In other words, this took place almost two years before the future Ataturk (Father of Turks) would establish the Turkish Republic and become its legitimate leader. As for 1921, Mustafa Kemal was the head of a rebel army and was outlawed by the Turkish government of that period. Hence, the compliance of the Treaty of Kars to international law is, at least, ambiguous. Moreover, there is a point of view that the only legitimate Turkish-Armenian border is the one determined by the so-called Arbitral Award of the American President Woodrow Wilson in 1920, and this border lays west to the current one.

 

The fight is under way

 

The battle is continuing between representatives of Turkey and Armenia about the above three points. This fight started just on October 10, in the Zurich University, where the signature ceremony was to take place. Edward Nalbandian, the Armenian foreign minister, refused to put his signature on the protocols as he learned that his Turkish colleague, Ahmet Davutoglu, was going to interpret the protocols according to the above-mentioned expectations of Turkey in a speech following the signature. Due to the efforts of the high-ranking guests (Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was reportedly most active) the signature ceremony did take place after a three- hour delay, as the sides agreed not to make any statements after it.

 

During the following months, as the ratification procedure has been underway in each country, leaders of both have made numerous statements aimed at interpreting the above-mentioned three points in favor of their side. In doing so, each side was accusing the other in efforts of setting preconditions in ratifying the protocols, but also was ending in stating that its country would go ahead with normalization process if the opposite side did the same.

 

A new situation has formed since mid-January. According to the Armenian legislation, each international document should be examined by the Constitutional Court (CC) before being sent to the National Assembly for ratification. On January 12, the highest Court of Armenia made a ruling that the Zurich protocols do conform to the Constitution, thus clearing their way for ratification. In addition, the Court ruling contained a preamble in which the CC gave its comments about the above-mentioned three disputed issues. It declared that normalization of the Armenian-Turkish relations do not mean: a) concessions in the Nagorno Karabakh issue, abandoning the Genocide recognition efforts, c) automatic recognition of the de facto border. Thus, the Constitutional Court simply reiterated what was repeatedly said by Armenian leaders, including the President and the Prime Minster. However, six days later, on January 18, Turkey decided to make a special statement expressing concerns that the CC decision jeopardizes the normalization process and puts preconditions to protocol ratification. The following shows that it was just a pretext for protracting the ratification. On January 20, Prime Minster Erdogan made the following statement (quoted by Reuters): "We have never taken the protocol to our Constitutional Court. We took it directly to our parliament without making changes. … This is a proof of our sincerity. Armenia has tried to change the text." Thus, Mr Erdogan simply neglected the fact that analysis of documents by the CC is a requirement of the Armenian legislation, and this was not a hurdle created especially for the Zurich protocols.

 

Crisis

 

Turkey initiated the process of normalization with Armenia in an effort to enhance its role in the South Caucasus (the Georgian-Russian war being a big stimulus) and also to follow its declared policy of “zero problems with neighbors.” Hence, its government is interested in normalization, especially given the external pressure as indicated above. However, currently experts estimate the probability of the protocol ratification by the Turkish parliament as very low. They indicate two major reasons:

 

Firstly: Azerbaijan’s negative reaction was stronger than expected. Baku not only raised the price for natural gas for Turkey from $120 to $260 per 1000 cubic meters. Psychological effect from the propaganda of Azerbaijan about “betrayal of the brother nation,” supported by the Turkish opposition proved to be rather effective. Surprisingly as it may seem, the 70 million Turkey cannot afford the luxury of having its own independent policy toward Armenia, unless it is allowed by the 8 million Azerbaijan. And Baku continues to insist that the blockade of Armenia should not be lifted before progress in Nagorno Karabakh is reached in favor of Azerbaijan.

 

Secondly (which is a consequence of the first reason): the rating of the ruling AKP party is record low at 27% of supporters. This is why bold steps of the Turkish government are unlikely when parliamentary elections are in one year far or even less. This is also true for the ratification issue, although AKP has majority in the parliament.

 

As for Armenia, it also has opposition to protocols, both at home and in the Diaspora. However, the ruling coalition has a safe majority in the parliament and will have no difficulty in ratifying the protocols.

[Arpa]

Which proctologist wrote those so called "protocols"? What is the Armenian word? ՈՌԱԳԷՏ?

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/tzu/lowres/tzun966l.jpg

Is it not time that our “fearless leaders” learn how to read and understand before they sign on the “dotted line”?? Those others having been writing those so called “protocols” for over a hundred years when ours had 5 minutes to even see the cover of the document, and did not understand a word of it as it was written in fursky and anglisky not written in “russky“. Was it written in armiansky? Never mind. Neither Edward Nalbandoghlu

http://vikashazrati.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/blacksmith.jpg

nor Sergey Sargsovich seem to know the “armiansky” language.

Here is Sergey Khruschov with his father Nikita;

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If I see one more trashy news of the kind I will scream.

“reconciliation”? and rapprochement.(nearing) Do they mean, getting close enough to Yerevan to wipe it off the map and link ankara to baku? More than a year ago they told us that border would open within days. Yeah right! Whwn after April 24 is taken off the calendar? We believed that just as we believed a 150 years ago when hamid enacted, NOT ! The so called “emancipation”. Where are our pundits to call a LIE a LIE? Are they gorging up on “yalanchi* sarma”?

Why is it that after hundreds of years this “reconciliation” has become household word? Why is it that it becomes a daily, no, hourly news only two hours before April 24?

The saddest of it is that the likes of barack and hillary lip-synch it. Is not “lip-synching” illegal? Who is playing DUMBek (emphasis on DUMB)and who dancing to the rhythm?

http://www.gotriadscene.com/images/event/6114/sadie.jpg

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Middle-Eastern-Belly-Dancer-Dancing-with-a-Veil-to-Musical-Accompaniment-Giclee-Print-C12378862.jpeg

*”yalanchi” means LIAR in that damn language.

 

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TURKEY SAYS SWEDEN VOTE TO HURT PEACE BID WITH ARMENIA

Ibon Villelabeitia

 

Reuters

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62B2U920100312

March 12 2010

 

A resolution by the Swedish parliament branding the World War One

killing of Armenians by Ottoman forces as genocide could hurt peace

efforts between Turkey and Armenia, Turkey's prime minister said

on Friday.

 

Turkey recalled its ambassador to Stockholm after the vote in the

Swedish parliament on Thursday. The move came a week after Ankara

called home its envoy to the United States over the approval of a

similar resolution by a U.S. congressional panel.

 

"This can hurt relations between Turkey and Armenia," Prime Minister

Tayyip Erdogan said during the opening of a factory near Istanbul.

 

Although Turkey has been quick to say that both resolutions will hurt

the chances of resolving its dispute with Armenia, steps toward a

normalization of ties had already stalled in recent months.

 

Turkey and Armenia agreed last year to establish diplomatic ties

and open their border if their parliaments approved peace accords,

but the votes have not taken place and the governments have accused

each other of trying to rewrite the texts.

 

Ankara has demanded that ethnic Armenian forces pull back from

frontlines of the disputed mountain region of Nagorno-Karabakh as a

condition for ratifying the peace deal.

 

Although Ankara accepts many Christian Armenians perished in killings

that began in 1915, it denies that up to 1.5 million died and that

it amounted to genocide -- a term employed by many Western historians.

 

The issue of the Armenian massacre is so sensitive here that Turks

seem willing to risk ties with their main allies over it.

 

European Union member Sweden is one of the strongest supporters of

Ankara's bid to join the bloc, while the United States is considered

a strong ally of NATO member Turkey.

 

"STAB IN THE BACK"

 

Foreign legislatures, including those of France, Russia, Greece,

Germany, Belgium and Canada, have passed similar resolutions. Each

time, Turkey has reacted angrily, temporarily cutting trade, defense

and other ties.

 

Already fuming over last week's U.S. House resolution, Turks felt

particularly hurt by the vote in Sweden, a country that is viewed

more favorably than France or Germany, whose leaders oppose Turkish

membership in the EU.

 

Sabah daily captured the mood in a front-page headline: "Our 'friend'

Sweden has stabbed us in the back with one vote!"

 

Fatih Altayli, editor-in-chief of Haberturk daily, was more sarcastic:

"Soon, there will be no Turkish ambassadors left abroad and no foreign

country our officials can visit."

 

The votes have whipped up nationalist passions, and some analysts

say they may tilt Turkey further away from Europe and toward fellow

Muslim countries such as Iran.

 

In a rare outburst, parliamentary speaker Mehmet Ali Sahin said on

Friday Western countries whose assemblies have passed such resolutions

should "look in the mirror, if they want to find criminals." He

mentioned no specific country.

 

Sweden's center-right coalition government has distanced itself from

the resolution, which passed by a 131-130 vote.

 

Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said on Friday he "deplored" the vote

and said it won't have an immediate consequence on the government's

policies toward Turkey. Bildt and his Turkish counterpart Ahmet

Davutoglu were due to meet in Helsinki.

Edited March 14, 2010 by Arpa

[Arpa]

How sweet it is- NOT!!!!

Did I say that "proctocol" is a medical term? I think I did.

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Two monkeys in one bag.http://www.because-i-said-so-and-i-am-right.com/proctology.gif

The first is this monkey who claims to be Armenian. Hi Mutafoghlu!! BTW. “sinrinoglu” is supposed to sound like “shirin-sweet”. Did he invent that Chinese sauce Sweet And Sour? http://www.gluten.net/recipes/pics/42sweet_and_sour_sauce.jpg

The petition stems from a March 26 meeting in Ankara between Bedros Sirinoglu, president of the Yedikule Surp Pirgic Armenian Hospital Foundation, and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

During their conversation, Sirinoglu, who is also a prominent businessman, described the events of 1915 as “a fight between two brothers,” and said Armenians in Turkey have no problems whatsoever.

And, here is the other monkey and his master trainer;

ANKARA (Combined Sources)—Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has sent a high-level diplomat to Armenia to discuss snags in efforts to normalize relations between the two countries, AFP reported.

Feridun Sinirlioglu, undersecretary of the foreign ministry, will meet with Armenian President Serge Sarkisian and Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian on April 7, a Foreign Ministry source said

Speaking of bags. What does this monkey have in his bag? Rotten Apricots?

Edited April 8, 2010 by Arpa

[MosJan]

 

Serzh Sargsyan: Armenia almost adopted decision on Armenian-Turkish Protocols

April 9, 2010 - 18:34 AMT http://media.panarmenian.net/static/images/frontend/sep_circle.gif 13:34 GMTPanARMENIAN.Net - Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan said that Armenia has almost adopted its decision on the Armenian-Turkish Protocols. The Armenian side will submit its decision for public discussion, if it is confident in its correctness, Mr. Sargsyan told journalists in Tavush region. “In this case, it is very important to adopt a correct decision, but it is early to speak about it,” the President said.

 

At the same time, he refrained from commenting on the upcoming visit to Washington to participate in global nuclear security summit. “This is a very important visit, during which various meetings will take place,” Mr. Sargsyan said.

 

 

[Arpa]

RIP ProCtocols!!!

Today we sing and dance at a “funeral”, a funeral of a “non-baby” that was never born, it was stillborn, DOA/dead on arrival, since mehmet the butcher was the midwife whose scalpel is a scimitar. They should that "scalpel" to render thwemselves sterile once and for all.

http://news.am/en/news/19739.html

Today, April 22 RA President Serzh Sargsyan signed a decree on suspension of the Armenia-Turkey Protocols’ ratification signed in Zurich last October on “Establishment of Diplomatic Relations between the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Turkey” and “Protocol on Development of Relations between the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Turkey.”

The decree delegates RA Foreign Ministry to notify the Republic of Turkey of the ratification process suspension, RA Presidential press service informs NEWS.am.

S.T

Please join me to celebrate the “funeral” of the "proctocols" singing….I Verin Yerousaghem.

Ի վերին Երուսաղէմ

Ի վերին Երուսաղէմ,

ի բնակարանս հրեշտակաց,

ուր Ենովք եւ Եղիաս

կան ծերացեալ աղաւնակերպ

ի դրախտին Եդեմական

պայծառացեալ արժանապէս:

Ողորմած Տէր, ողորմեա

հոգւոցն

No, no join me singing Ourakh Ler/ Be Joyful Sacred Church…

Ուրախ լեր, սուրբ Եկեղեցի,

քանզի Քրիստոս արքայն երկնից

այսօր պսակեաց զքեզ խաչիւն իւրով.

եւ զարդարեաց զամուրս քո

սքանչելի փառօքն իւրովք:

Խնդա յոյժ դուստր Սիովնի.

քանզի երկիրս երկինք եղեն

այսօր վերստին քո նորոգմամբ,

եւ թագաւորն երկնաւոր

հաճեցաւ բնակիլ ի քեզ

[Zartonk]

Rest in Distress...

[Arpa]

Rest in Distress...

I'm sure you mean "rest in piss"

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You may have noticed that of late I have been spelling the word with an extra C, “proCtocol”. What I mean is, at what institute of “proCtology” was that document conceived and written? At the ankara institute of "vorrology"? Some of us speak through the upper aperture of our digestive system… an others…. Who may confuse the words “word” for “fart,տրամաբանութիւն/ logic as տտռիկաբանութիւն”.

Proctology-the branch of medicine that deals with the diagnosis and treatment of disorders affecting the colon, rectum, and anus.

From the Greek prōktos, anus + -LOGY.]

proctologic proc'to·log'ic (-tə-lŏj'ĭk) or proc'to·log'i·cal (-ĭ-kəl) adj.

proctologically proc'to·log'i·cal·ly adv.

proctologist proc·tol'o·gist n.

Edited April 22, 2010 by Arpa

[Aratta-Kingdom]

It's not over yet. Behind the doors, ratification of the protocols will be linked with the Artsak problem, and Serjuhi will be forced to sign all kind of papers. Serjuhi is Hillary's bitch. He'll do whatever she says. Serj suffers from inferiority complex. Ira partutyun@ u barduytner@ joghovrdi vzin a porcum patati. To push him to the corner wouldn't be a challenge for enyone in power.

[Aratta-Kingdom]

Armenian President Suspends Protocols

 

AsbarezOnline

 

 

YEREVAN (Combined Sources)—In a nationally televised address Thursday, President Serzh Sarkisian, citing continued preconditions by Turkey, suspended the Armenia-Turkey protocols process, but fell short of withdrawing Armenia’s signature from the dangerous documents.

 

Earlier in the day, Armenia’s governing coalition issued a statement suspending further parliamentary discussion of the protocols, in what was seen as a harbinger for the president’s announcement.

 

“For a whole year, Turkey’s senior officials have not spared public statements in the language of preconditions. For a whole year, Turkey has done everything to protract time and fail the process,” said Sarkisian

 

Hence, our conclusion and position are straightforward: 1.Turkey is not ready to continue the process that was started and to move forward without preconditions in line with the letter of the Protocols. 2.The reasonable timeframes have, in our opinion, elapsed. The Turkish practice of passing the 24th of April at any cost is simply unacceptable. 3.We consider unacceptable the pointless efforts of making the dialogue between Armenia and Turkey an end in itself; from this moment on, we consider the current phase of normalization exhausted,” outlined Sarkisian.

 

In his announcement to not remove Armenia’s signature from the protocols and completely end the doomed process, Sarkisian cited his and Armenia’s commitment to the US, French and Russian leaders, whose efforts in establishing peace in the region, he found unwavering and stressed Armenia’s commitment to peace.

 

“During this period, I have discussed and continue discussing the future of the process launched with Turkey with Presidents Nicolas Sarkozy of France, Barack Obama of the United States, Dmitri Medvedev of Russia, as well as our colleagues in a number of European organizations. We are grateful to them for supporting our initiative, encouraging the process, and exerting efforts to secure progress. The atter of the fact is that our partners have urged us to continue the process, rather than to discontinue it,” said Sarkisian.

 

“Out of respect for them, their efforts, and their sincere aspirations, we have decided after consulting our Coalition partners and the National Security Council not to exit the process for the time being, but rather, to suspend the procedure of ratifying the Protocols. We believe this to be in the best interests of our nation,” explained Sarkisian.

 

“Armenia shall retain her signature under the Protocols, because we desire to maintain the existing momentum for normalizing relations, because we desire peace. Our political objective of normalizing relations between Armenia and Turkey remains valid, and we shall consider moving forward when we are convinced that there is a proper environment in Turkey and there is leadership in Ankara ready to reengage in the normalization process,” added Sarkisian.

 

On the eve of the 95th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide, Sarkisian also urged international recognition of the Genocide and called on world leaders to follow suit.

 

[see Complete Speech]

 

The governing coalition partners, the Republican Party, Prosperous Armenia and Country of Law (Orinats Yerkir), cited the same concerns in their announcement to throw the protocols off the parliaments agenda.

 

Armenian Revolutionary Federation parliamentary bloc chairman and Bureau member Vahan Hovannesian said Thursday’s decision demonstrated that the ARF and the other forces united to oppose the protocols were on track, but added that the complete removal of Armenia’s signature from the protocols is the ultimate goal.

 

Turkey Cool Announcement

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said he has “taken note” of the Armenian coalition’s decision and said his country remains loyal to the agreement to normalize ties. But he insisted on the Turkish conditions for reconciliation.

 

“It is up to them to decide how they want to move with the ratification process,” the Associated Press quoted Erdogan as telling a news conference. “I have expressed our loyalty to the protocols on numerous occasions. We will press ahead with the process on the principle that treaties are binding.”

 

“We are evaluating the content of this [Armenian] statement and what it means” legally and politically, Turkish Foreign Ministry spokesman Burak Ozugergin told AFP news agency. “In this context, we are also discussing steps that could be taken in the coming period,” he added, without elaborating.

 

 

[Aratta-Kingdom]

US still hopeful on Turkey-Armenia deal

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hHXlx7sVdzjnmceCYhF8EJE2rJkQ

 

(AFP) – 2 hours ago

 

WASHINGTON — The United States said Thursday it remained hopeful that Turkey and Armenia would move toward reconciliation despite Yerevan's halt to an accord that would end decades of hostility.

 

US officials said they had anticipated President Serzh Sarkisian's announcement that parliament would no longer consider ratifying the US-backed deal, but they welcomed his decision not to fully withdraw from the peace process.

 

"We are actually encouraged that, both in the case of Armenia and Turkey, they have taken pains to make sure the process doesn't collapse," State Department spokesman Philip Crowley told reporters.

 

"That gives us some reason for optimism that over the long term we can find ways to come back to it and try to push forward the protocols again," he said.

 

Crowley said that the United States had urged the two countries not to give up on reconciliation efforts on the sidelines of this month's nuclear summit in Washington.

 

"Neither side has walked away from the process, but I think we all recognize that we'll just need some time to... create some new momentum that allows the process to move forward," Crowley said.

 

Armenia's ruling coalition of three parties had earlier announced it was freezing ratification of the deal because "the Turkish side is refusing to ratify the protocols without preconditions and in a reasonable timeframe."

 

Ankara has said that process cannot move forward without progress in Armenia's conflict with Turkish ally Azerbaijan over the breakaway Nagorny-Karabakh region.

 

The neighbors have had hostile relations for decades because of the legacy of the 1915-1917 massacres of Armenians.

 

Armenians say up to 1.5 million of their kin perished in deportations and orchestrated killings during World War I but Turkey rejects the genocide label and says that 300,000 to 500,000 Armenians and at least as many Turks perished in civil strife as the Ottoman Empire crumbled.

 

 

[Zartonk]

տրամաբանութիւն/ logic as տտռիկաբանութիւն”.

 

Never a dull moment

[Zartonk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixb-akJm064&feature=player_embedded

[Aratta-Kingdom]

 

Armenia Scraps Border Deal With Turkey

The Wall Street Journal

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704830404575200191373628642.html?mod=WSJ_World_LEFTSecondNews

 

 

By MARC CHAMPION

Armenia on Thursday said that it is abandoning a U.S.-backed agreement with Turkey to reopen the border between the two countries, until Ankara drops preconditions and ratifies the deal.

 

In a televised statement to the nation, Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan accused Ankara of stalling ratification of the agreement, which was signed in October. He said Turkey was treating the process as "an end in itself," whose main goal was to prevent the United States from acknowledging the Ottoman Empire's 1915 massacre of Armenians as genocide.

 

"For a whole year, Turkey has done everything to protract time and fail the process," said Mr. Sargsyan. "Reasonable time frames have, in our opinion, elapsed. The Turkish practice of passing the 24th of April at any cost is simply unacceptable."

 

The Armenian decision came just days before U.S. President Barack Obama is due to make the White House's annual statement on the April 24 anniversary of the massacres, in which up to 1.5 million people were killed. The administration has repeatedly argued against a genocide declaration on grounds that it would torpedo efforts to secure the border deal between Turkey and Armenia.

 

The agreement signed in October was designed to cut through a range of disputes between Turkey and Armenia. Relations were poisoned by the 1915 massacres, the scale of which Turkey has never acknowledged.

 

In the 1990s, relations suffered further, when Armenia fought a bloody war over the enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh in Azerbaijan, a close Turkish ally, leaving Armenia in control of a swathe of Azeri territory. Turkey closed the border in protest, in 1993.

 

Armenia and Turkey began secret negotiations some two years ago to secure a deal that would reopen the border, establish diplomatic relations, and set up a joint commission to discuss problems of history, such as the 1915 killings.

 

A year ago Thursday, the two sides set out a road map for the deal, and in October, they signed it. Neither side, however, has ratified the agreement. Armenia has waited for Ankara to move first, while Ankara—under heavy pressure from Azerbaijan—insisted there should first be progress on resolving the Nagorno- Karabakh dispute, an issue not mentioned in the agreement.

 

"It is up to them to decide how they want to move with the ratification process," Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan told reporters in Ankara on Thursday. "I have expressed our loyalty to the protocols on numerous occasions. We will press ahead with the process on the principle that treaties are binding."

 

Turkey strongly denies that genocide took place in 1915, describing the deaths—the number of which it disputes—as the tragic result of a civil war in which all sides suffered.

 

Most historians in the field say the Ottoman state committed what today would be called genocide.

 

As the Armenian side grew increasingly frustrated, Armenia's parliament this year passed legislation that would allow Mr. Sargsyan to withdraw his country's signature from treaties, but the president said Thursday he would leave October's agreement intact, out of respect for the U.S., Russia and France, which back the deal.

 

"This was the less bad of two options," said Thomas de Waal, Caucasus expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a Washington think tank. "Armenia was never going to continue with the status quo, the question was how it left the process—leaving the door ajar, or slamming it shut."

 

Thursday's decision left the door open to diplomacy, but also responded to Mr. Sargsyan's critics at home and among Armenia's large diaspora, says Mr. de Waal. These critics say Mr. Sargsyan has been duped by Turkey into providing Mr. Obama with an excuse not to call the 1915 massacres genocide, as he pledged to do in his election campaign.

 

Since a U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee voted last month to recognize the genocide, the White House has lobbied intensely against a full vote on the House floor, saying it would kill the border agreement between Turkey and Armenia. Ankara reacted furiously to the March vote, recalling its ambassador.

 

Mr. Obama pledged during his election campaign to recognize the Armenian genocide, but, like several U.S. presidents before him, has balked once in office. faced with angering Turkey—a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and an increasingly important player in the Middle East. Mr. Obama isn't expected to use the term genocide in his statement Saturday, analsysts say.

 

Prospects for ratifying the Turkey-Armenia deal have long looked poor, but analysts say progress is now unlikely at least until after Turkish elections, which must be held by mid-2011. A meeting in Washington earlier this month between Messrs. Sargsyan and Erdogan went poorly, according to people familiar with the matter.

 

As recently as Monday, Turkey's Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu traveled to Baku to offer assurance that "Azerbaijan and Turkey share a common position on the issues in question."

 

 

[Arpa]

Ah!!! That clown again!!

Who the hell does this clown think he is?

He should concern himself to covering his own behind rather than meddle with the internal affairs of Armenia. He is still dwelling on that shameful piece of rag dead letter known as the proctocols”. He must read the news again and see why Yerevan did not ratify it. The reason is, after our fearless leaders scribbled their names on the dotted line, just because they did not understand a word of it since it was not written in russky, they finally read the final draft of the so called“"with no preconditions"” and saw those 3 preconditions, all 3 of them inserted by you know who, with no“preconditions”from our side.

What a clown? What an hypocritical liar who heaps such cynical words like “Armenian President'’s steps as a leader and statesman crowned with success”.

Above I placed this is because he is just a clown, a laughing** stock.

** We all assume that his surname “gul” means “flower/rose”, yes, maybe. In their non-language “gul” also means to LAUGH.

He may blow dust in the eyes of those idiots in Switzerland. We have seen such “dusts” many times before. Read Armeno-ottoman relations and see what tanzimat/(an Arabic word)/reforms” means.

http://news.am/eng/news/39481.html

15:26 - 25.11

November 26, 2010 | 07:00

Turkish President Abdullah Gul promised to go on making moves in the normalization process between Ankara and Yerevan.

“We intend to achieve implementation of the Protocols on the normalization of Armenia-Turkey relations. We will go on taking steps to establish durable peace in Caucasus,” Gul said in Berne, Intrefax reports.

Turkish President also expressed hope that Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan will continue his efforts for Armenia-Turkey process to be crowned

In an earlier new item we read this;

http://news.am/eng/news/39475.html

Armenian President’s steps as a leader and statesman crowned with success, Gul says

November 26, 2010 | 00:23

Arriving on a working visit to Switzerland, Turkish President Abdullah Gul delivered a speech in Swiss Parliament. In his speech he also touched upon Armenian-Turkey Protocols signed in Zurich last year.

According to Turkish Beyazgazete newspaper, Gul stressed the Protocols were signed with the support of Switzerland.

“Such issues are not solved easily. However, we continue to make efforts to put the Protocols into effect and will go on stepping up efforts to establish peace and stability in Caucasus. He stressed Armenian President’s significant role in the normalization process. “President Serzh Sargsyan’s steps as a leader and statesman have been crowned with success so far. We expect the same courage in the future as well,” Gul noted.

Edited November 27, 2010 by Arpa

[Arpa]

Proctocols?

What Proctocols?

See? It has been so long that I can’t even spell the word.

What are these idiots smoking? Is this minister from “afion”**

That “dead letter” *** has been permanently dead and buried for quite sometime. Of course, they would remember, since that so called “football diplomacy” contained three so called “no preconditions” , all three of which are potential three goal scores in their favor. For once, our fearless in Yerevan woke up and read that piece of trash, understood its implications and buried it deep. Yet those esheks in Ankara are still beting a “dead donkey”.

http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu46/RosaBella75/beating_a_dead_horse.jpg

 

** Afion is a city in that country (they spell it afYon now). The word is corrupted form of “opium”.

Memories of Afion Kara Hissar It is the centre of the opium growing district of Turkey, from which it gets its name Afion, ;opium,) and Kara Hissar, from the "black tower," an enormous ...query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html

The name is Turkish for the opium black castle, since opium was widely grown here and there is a castle on a black rock. Also known simply as Afyon. Older spellings include Karahisar-i Sahip Afium-Kara-hissar and Afyon Karahisar. The city was known as Afyon (opium), until the name was changed to Afyonkarahisar by the Turkish Parliament in 2004

***Dead Letter-

The United States Postal Service started a dead letter office in 1825 to deal with undeliverable mail. In 2006 approximately 90 million undeliverable-as-addressed (UAA) items ended up in this office; where the rightful owners cannot be identified, the correspondence is destroyed to protect customer privacy, and enclosed items of value are removed…..

http://www.panorama.am/en/region/2010/12/08/turkey/

Turkish State Minister linked ratification of protocols with Karabakh conflict

Turkey’s chief EU negotiator and State Minister Egemen Bağış declared, in his three-day visit to Denmark, that Turkey will be ready to join EU family in January 2014, “Hurriyet” daily reported.

Referring to Armenia-Turkey relations Bağış said he had made steps to contribute the normalization of the bilateral ties. He underscored unless Karabakh issue is unsolved, Turkish Mejlis would never ratify the protocols signed with Armenia.

Turkey’s State Minister said they don’t feel hatred against Armenians, otherwise they would not hand their children in hands of Armenian nurses.

Edited December 9, 2010 by Arpa

[Johannes]

    

    Syria #News #Syrian_Truth #freedom #syria #Revolution#
    
    Syrian Truth l Lena Chamamyan's letter of apology to participate to Salam Orient Festival 2012.
    
    Greetings everyone,



The Arab community in Austria contacted me yesterday, asking about my participation in "salam Orient Festival 2012" knowing that the Israeli embassy's logo was showing as one of the sponsors on the festival's official poster.

I was quite surprised to know this, as I did not have any idea about the subject, and as I have participated once before in this festival since its objectives and visions are oriented towards correcting the occident's misunderstanding of the oriental Arab and Islamic world, which is usually done by organizing concerts and events with artists from the involved countries.
My intention was to use my art to enforce that idea instead of confronting media's misconceptions with media only, and this intention relates directly to me as an Arab Syrian citizen, and as an artist.

After heading to the festival’s site to verify the existence of the Israeli embassy's logo on the poster, I found out that the information that I have was true, which led me to cancel my participating for this year, and as an answer, they told me that the embassy is meant to bring an Israeli band during the event, however they would remove their logo from all of my concerts announcement, but I eventually realized that the festival’s agenda does not serve my visions as a human being and as an artist.

My problem is not with Judaism, nor with any other culture or belief, unlike how the festival's management hinted. My problem is about accepting the Israeli authority’s inhumane politics and tendency for atrocities and human rights violation by taking lives and building the famous “Israeli West Bank barrier”, which does not get along with my idea about breaking all walls and barriers between all human beings all over the planet, starting by politically-constructed barriers.
Therefore, as that the festival's vision does not agree with my own vision as a human first and as an artist second, I announce, as an Syrian Arab singer, my wish of not participating in the festival's concerts for this year, yet hoping to meet you all soon in our homeland,until we truly find peace

Peace for you , peace upon my mother Syria
Lena.

13/10/2012

 Բայց մեր դաշնակահարները, կամ դաշնամուր նուագողները, տէր-տէր վարդապետները կերթան եւ ցեղասպան թուրքիոյ դրօշին տակ կը ներկայանան:Արժանապատւութիւն չունեցող ազ ենք մենք, նոյնիսկ քնադատող ու նշող չմնաց: Edited October 13, 2012 by MosJan
JOhaness jan please enable HTML befor posting in Armenian

[Louise Kiffer]

Charles Aznavour has never accepted to sing in Turkey, though they have invited him many times, but he would never go.

[Arpa]

The main problem is at the head.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/virtuosos-to-sing-works-by-armenian-musicians.aspx?pageID=238&nID=32216&NewsCatID=383
He does not even have the decency to spell his name in Latin-Shahan instead writes it in furkish as “sahan”..

Armenian-American piano virtuoso Şahan Arzruni and famous Turkish violin virtuoso Cihat Aşkın will take the stage at Istanbul’s Cemal Reşit Rey Concert Hall tomorrow at 8 p.m. to perform pieces by Gomiadas and Khachaturian

Remember this?
http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=29864
I will never the fiasco when during a Thanksgiving season that idiot Victot Borge introduced Shahan as his side kick and the butt of a joke as a turkey . He went saying he could speak turkey -- “gobble-gobble“

[Yervant1]

David Phillips: Davutoglu wanted to scratch the Protocols and
negotiate a whole new agreement

Thursday 6 February 2014 10:19
Photo: from Edge.passblue.com website

David L. Phillips



Mediamax continues "Special File" project, that presents unknown or
less known details of the Armenian foreign policy.

David L. Phillips is Director of the Program on Peace-Building and
Rights at Columbia University's Institute for the Study of Human
Rights. He has served as Senior Adviser to the Bureau of South and
Central Asian Affairs, Bureau for Near Eastern Affairs, and Bureau for
European and Canadian Affairs at the U.S. Department of State, and as
Senior Adviser to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of
Humanitarian Affairs.

David L. Phillips has extensive experience working on Turkish-Armenian
issues as Chairman of the "Turkish-Armenian Reconciliation
Commission". He is the author of books "Unsilencing the Past: Track
Two Diplomacy and Turkish-Armenian Reconciliation" (2005) and
"Diplomatic history: The Turkey-Armenia Protocols" (2011).

- The rapprochement process between Armenia and Turkey is now almost
completely stalled, and even the recent meeting between Edward
Nalbandyan and Ahmet Davutoglu not to have broken the ice. Do you
consider it possible to return Zurich Protocols on the agenda?

- The Protocols are suspended. Prime Minister Erdogan and his AKP-led
government are responsible for the diplomatic impasse. Ankara can
revive the process at any time by submitting the Protocols for
ratification by the Turkish Grand National Assembly. There's also
another way.

Erdogan can issue an executive order to open the Turkey-Armenia border
for normal travel and trade. He can instruct Turkey's Foreign Ministry
to establish diplomatic relations with Armenia. Such steps take
leadership; they require statesmanship. It is unlikely that Erdogan
will act to repair relations with Armenia, as Turkey embarks on a
2-year election cycle.

- Once you mentioned that all the parties, including the stakeholders,
made some mistakes during the process. If we cast a retrospective
glance, which were the main mistakes of main parties - Turkey, Armenia
and US - and what lessons could they learn from that failed attempt of
normalization?

- Ankara repeatedly tried to link normalization of relations with
Armenia to events in Nagorno-Karabakh, even though there was no
mention of NK in either of the protocols or the annexes. Turkish
officials thought the normalization process would be served by
"constructive ambiguity." They assumed that the two issues would be
considered in parallel. There is no place for wishful thinking in
diplomacy.

When the Protocols were announced, there was a firestorm of
controversy in Azerbaijan. Ankara grossly underestimated Azerbaijan's
opposition and economic leverage. Erdogan travelled to Baku with his
newly-appointed Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu who wanted to scratch
the Protocols altogether and negotiate a whole new agreement. Erdogan
dismissed reports of de-linkage as "slander." He emphasized the
principle of "one nation - two states," assuring Baku: "It is
impossible for us to open the border (with Armenia) unless the
occupation ends."

Ankara was unabashed about declaring that the "dialogue on historical
issues" would be used to contest whether events of the early 20th
century met the definition of genocide. Turkish officials expected a
historical commission to affirm its view that a "mutual tragedy"
occurred, and to consider the deportation of Armenians within the
historical context of Armenia's rebellion against the Ottoman Empire.
That was a serious miscalculation.

Ankara thought that normalization would mollify calls for recognition
of the Armenian Genocide. Turkish politicians mistakenly view Genocide
recognition as an obsession of the Diaspora. No Armenian - in any
country or belonging to any political faction -- would ever forsake
the goal of Genocide recognition for normalization of relations with
Turkey.

Armenian Foreign Minister Nalbandian announced the Protocols on April
22, 2009 but the text of the Protocols was not made public until
August 31. The Armenian Government should have been more transparent.
Failing to disclose details of the Protocols until months after they
were signed created a vacuum, which allowed speculation that the
Protocols sold out Armenia's core national interests.

The announcement was just two days before Genocide Remembrance Day.
The timing was wrong. Critics of the Protocols maintained that they
were announced to give President Obama cover so he wouldn't have to
use the "G-word" in his Presidential statement on Remembrance Day.

Yerevan thought the historical commission and other commissions would
buttress facts affirming the Genocide and provide a forum for
resolving issues, including legal matters. However, Dashnaks and
others suspected that Turkey would manipulate the historical dialogue
to question the veracity of the Genocide. Questioning the Armenian
genocide is tantamount to undermining the Armenian state that,
according to Article 11 of the 1990 Declaration of Independence, stood
for "achieving international recognition of the 1915 Genocide in
Ottoman Turkey and Western Armenia."

The Armenian Constitutional Court opinion on the Protocols, gave
Turkey something to complain about. The United States welcomed the
Court's opinion. But Ankara did not. Opponents of rapprochement in
Turkey used the Constitutional Court to raise questions about
Armenia's goodwill.

The State Department heralded the Protocols as a "diplomatic
breakthrough" because it delinked bilateral issues between Turkey and
Armenia from Nagorno-Karabakh. This understanding should have been
made explicit when President Barack Obama met President Abdullah Gul
and Erdogan during his trip in April 2009. Instead of affirming
de-linkage, Obama was silent on the issue.


David L. Phillips.
Photo: from 3.bp.blogspot.com website.

The U.S. should have worked with the Swiss Authorities to make sure
that the text of remarks by Davutoglu and Nalbandian were exchanged
well in advance of 5.00pm on October 10, 2009 (when the Protocols were
to be signed). More advance notification would have prevented last
minute problems that poisoned the atmosphere of the signing ceremony.
There's a golden rule of diplomacy: no surprises!

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's personal involvement was critical
to rescuing the signing ceremony and keeping the deal on track.
Subsequently, monitoring ratification and implementation was assigned
to U.S. officials of lesser rank. Secretary Clinton placed her
personal prestige on the line. She could have helped maintain momentum
by designating a Special Envoy for Ratification of the Protocols.
State Department officials working on the file were competent, but
more pressure at a higher level was needed to seal the deal.

- In your monograph titled "Diplomatic History: The Turkey-Armenia
Protocols", you recalled the details of signing ceremony on October
10, 2009 and the last-minute hitch over the final statements. Can we
conclude that such a step of the Turkish delegation demonstrated that
Ankara didn't have enough political will and readiness to carry out
the Protocols and Armenians just could not have any trust to Turkey
after that?

- Ambassador Ertugrul Apakan, the Turkish official who managed the
negotiations, told me: "Reality has two shores." There was fundamental
disconnect between the Turkish and Armenian sides. The last minute
misunderstandings at the signing ceremony was a harbinger of problems
to come. It was more than a problem of political will. There exists
deep distrust between the parties. More work was needed then - and is
still needed to build confidence. Civil society can play an important
role with confidence-building measures. Even though the Protocols are
suspended, it is still possible to open the border gate for tourism
and commercial contact.

DOSSIER

Passages from David L. Phillips monograph "Diplomatic history: The
Turkey-Armenia Protocols"

Signing Ceremony

The signing ceremony was scheduled to be held at the University of
Zurich on October 10, 2009. Davutoglu and Nalbandian each planned
remarks to commemorate the "historic moment in Turkish-Armenian
bilateral relations." Turkish and Armenian negotiators had reached an
understanding: they would avoid open discussion of sensitivities. To
maintain constructive ambiguity, they agreed that neither Davutoglu
nor Nalbandian would mention the genocide or refer to NK.

Ten minutes before the signing ceremony, which was scheduled for 5:00
p.m., the Armenian delegation asked to see the Turkish statement.
Texts were exchanged through the U.S. delegation. Nalbandian saw
Davutoglu's text and was aghast. According to an anonymous Turkish
official, the Armenians objected to Davutoglu's emphasis on the joint
historical commission, insisting that allowing the commission's work
was tantamount to denial of the genocide. Armenian officials have a
different recollection. An anonymous Armenian official insists that
Davutoglu intended to speak about the historical commission's
importance, as well as NK. Ambuhl reflects on their different
memories, "Both sides were speaking the truth." Implicit and explicit
differences were conflated.

Calmy-Rey stayed upstairs in the "Aula," the auditorium where the
signing ceremony was to take place. She was with the VIPs who were
waiting to witness the signing of the Protocols. The media was off to
one side of the auditorium. The Zurich mayor and university rector
were mingling, trying to keep everyone engaged. Ambuhl left the
Turkish delegation in the University of Zurich's Senate hall and
rushed two kilometers in a police vehicle to the newly-renovated
Dolder Hotel where the U.S. and Armenian delegations were staying. It
was highly unusual in Zurich for a police vehicle with flashing blue
lights to go speeding through town. He and Clinton went to
Nalbandian's room. Nalbandian was visibly agitated, channel-surfing
between football matches. The Swiss came up with a compromise: neither
side would make remarks. Clinton and Nalbandian drove in the same car
to the University of Zurich--three hours behind schedule.

Diplomats attending the ceremony responded to the delay differently.
Secretary General of the Council of the European Union Javier Solana
was concerned, but followed the U.S. lead. French Foreign Minister
Bernard Kouchner was energized, but did not play a major role; Ankara
would never accept a mediation role for France. It viewed France as
pro-Armenian because of the French Senate resolution recognizing the
genocide and France's outspoken Diaspora community, which is a force
in French politics. Lavrov used his influence to help seal the deal,
providing Nalbandian with a strongly worded letter that urged him to
sign.

The Protocols were finally signed at 8:00 p.m. As agreed, no
statements were made after the signing. Clinton, Solana, Calmy-Rey,
Lavrov, and Kouchner stood behind Nalbandian and Davutoglu as
witnesses, and as a signal of the international community's support.
Calmy-Rey was the only speaker. Welcoming the agreement, she addressed
the audience and media assembled in the Aula. Winston Churchill spoke
in that same auditorium on September 19, 1946, saying: "The first step
in the recreation of the European family must be a partnership between
France and Germany." The historic address concluded, "Let Europe
Rise." The symbolism was trenchant. If France and Germany could
overcome their enmity and Europe could bind together in common
purpose, then Turkey and Armenia could also overcome their
differences.

- Prime Minister Erdogan is actively seeking to succeed President Gul
in 2014. According to British Oxford Analytica's report, "Erdogan
could take the Armenian issue away from Gul and make it his own". Do
you consider such a prediction realistic?

- Erdogan is pugnacious and confrontational. He always acts in his own
political interest, especially during an election cycle. When it comes
to domestic politics, Erdogan risks more than he gains by focusing
constructively on Armenian issues. There are more friendship monuments
and churches to destroy, if Erdogan has his way. Anti-Armenian
politics played well in Turkey. A return to that mentality would be a
major setback.

- In 2015, Armenians will commemorate the Centennial of Genocide. What
impact will this date have on policies and moods both in Armenia and
Turkey? Do you think the Turkish government will keep the protocols to
make another "political show" ahead of 2015?

- 2015 is an important centennial anniversary. Armenians wake up every
morning, gaze across the border at Mount Ararat and lament the
suffering of their ancestors and lost territories in "Western
Armenia." On the other hand, Turkey is surrounded by problems, many of
its own making. Davutoglu's "zero problems with neighbors" policy is a
total fiasco. Armenian issues are way down the list of Turkish
concerns. Initiatives such as the Gallipoli anniversary are clearly
an attempt to dilute the centennial of the Genocide. But nothing has
changed since Hillary Clinton observed, "The ball is in Turkey's
court."

The Obama administration can take the issue of Genocide recognition
off the table by simply recognizing the Armenian Genocide. Rather than
refer to his "well-known personal view," President Obama should
characterize the events as genocide in his 2014 Presidential Statement
on Armenian Remembrance Day. Secretary of State Kerry has always been
a strong supporter of Genocide recognition.

Turkey is increasingly an unreliable ally of the West. Erdogan
tarnished his democratic credentials by cracking down on peaceful
protesters last summer. The AKP is rife with corruption and cronyism.
U.S. officials should see Turkey as it is, not as it was or how they
want it to be.

Aram Araratyan talked to David Phillips.

http://www.mediamax.am/en/news/special-file/9013/

[Yervant1]

18:10 16/02/2015 » POLITICS

Armenian President withdrawing Armenian-Turkish protocols from parliament

Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan has addressed a letter to Armenian parliament Speaker Galust Sahakyan notifying about his decision to withdraw the Armenian-Turkish protocols from the parliament.
The letter reads as follows:
“We fully imagined all possible developments when embarking on the normalization of Armenian-Turkish relations without preconditions. We were ready for both comprehensive normalization of relations through ratification of the protocols and their failure because we had nothing to hide and it would be clear for the international community which side was to blame for failing to open the last closed border in Europe and missing the chance.
“About six years have passed since the protocols were signed. During this period, Armenia has always demonstrated a consistent position on the implementation of the protocols.
“However, we must point to the lack of political will of the Turkish authorities, the distortion of the letter and spirit of the protocols and the repeated mention of preconditions. In parallel with this, on the eve of the 100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide, the policy of denial and editing history is gaining a new momentum.

“I have said repeatedly that time is not endless, I also said this in September 2014 at the UN General Assembly. I regret that the Turkish authorities turned a deaf ear to Armenia’s call.
“Therefore, I have made a decision to recall from the National Assembly the protocols “On establishment of diplomatic relations between the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Turkey” and “On the development of relations between the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Turkey,” signed in Zurich on October 10, 2009.”

Source: Panorama.am

[MosJan]

isk inchu hima ?iysor ?? 6 tary araj chyir lsum paron serj hima iysor ?? yerb kariq unes spyurqi ognutyan qez not Papularity berelu ??

 

 

pastoren mer Hay Harts@ bozi Vartik e dartsel nyn iyn mardkants dzerqum ov pit lutsum gtner....

ehhhh inch enq kortsrel inch enq man galis ..

[Yervant1]

Our leaders are brain dead, what a timing instead of unity we get this nonsense.