Sahak Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 If Armenia or NK is attacked by Azerbaijan does CSTO member states help Armenia or even engage in our behalf? Armenia is a CSTO member hence it's either all BS rhetorical agreement or it means something. Will Russia step in? Just curious about this.Lets say Azerbaijan attacks Armenia proper then what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashot Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Sahak jan, to make things as simple as possible, Russia has bases all over Armenia and has specifically said "if any of it's bases are attacked Russia will go all the way with no mercy". To answer your question as simple as possible, Russia will not tolerate NATO members whatsoever, be it Azerbadrjan or Furkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Russia is the next nazi Germany. Don't count on Russia. In fact, we MUST NEVER count on others to do our job for us. Even if Russia steps in, and they will, they gonna bring more harm to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyethga Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Russia is the next nazi Germany. Don't count on Russia. In fact, we MUST NEVER count on others to do our job for us. Even if Russia steps in, and they will, they gonna bring more harm to us. Still, their presence in Armenia is perhaps the only reason why Armenia hasn't been gobbled up by Turkey or Azerbaijan (or Georgia ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) It is still fresh in my memory how we fought tooth and nail to amend the subject topic of this catgory from k******gh to Artsakh. Maybe this belongs under the Subject Topic of Comedistan. By now it should be obvious that I am not that smart. Will someone please translate/interpret what is being said below, as sometimes our brothers in Yerevan and Stepanakert speak in circles, as if they are talking in the Uratuan dialect. Do I understand correctly that they are questioning why the Armenian media is still dsplaying maps of the area and showing Artsakh as a separate region/մարզ/enclave? However, if we were to read the “fine print” we will see that those same people are using terms like LGhIM/ ԼՂԻՄ as in Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի Ինքնավար Մարզ or, at best ԼՂՀ I.e Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի Հանրապետութիւն:** One wonders if these latter day Donquixote/Փանջունի s know, no matter how you spell it it is still furkish? Have they heard of the name ARTSAKH? :duh: and double :duh:. **It took me a long time to find the article about Artsakh in the Hanragitaran, until finally, by accident I learned that it was listed as ԼՂԻՄ. ===== From AZG Dec. 11, 2008, highlights mine. Ընթացիկ «ԼՂԻՄ ՔԱՐՏԵԶԻ ԱՄԵՆՕՐՅԱ ՑՈՒՑԱԴՐՈՒՄԸ ՇԱՐՈՒՆԱԿ ԽՈՐԱՊԵՍ ԱՆԱՐԳՈՒՄ Է ՀԵՌՈՒՍՏԱԴԻՏՈՂՆԵՐԻՆ» Արցախյան 9 հասարակական կազմակերպություններ եւ կուսակցությունների երիտասարդական թեւերը հայտարարություն են տարածել՝ պահանջելով նախագահ Սերժ Սարգսյանի անմիջական միջամտությունը: «Հայաստանի հանրային, ինչպես նաեւ մյուս հեռուստատեսությունների եթերում ԼՂՀ հռչակման պահից գոյություն չունեցող ԼՂԻՄ քարտեզի ամենօրյա ցուցադրումը շարունակ խորապես անարգում է ոչ միայն ՀՀ եւ ԼՂՀ, այլեւ սփյուռքի հեռուստադիտողներին: Քաղաքական առումով հատկապես բացասական ազդեցություն է ունենում այժմ, երբ ազգի համար հակամարտության կարգավորման բանակցությունների վճռորոշ փուլում, ինչպես բոլորս հույս ունենք, հայոց դիվանագիտությունը պայքարում է հայ ժողովրդի շահերի պաշտպանության համար», նշված է հաղորդագրությունում: «Արցախի երիտասարդ քաղաքագետների ակումբը», Արցախի ազատամարտիկների միության «Հայրենաց պաշտպան» ՀԿ-ն, ՀՅԴ «Արցախի երիտասարդական միությունը», ԱԺԿ երիտասարդական թեւը, «Ազատ հայրենիք» երիտասարդական թեւը, «Վաչագան Բարեպաշտ», «Հայկի սերունդ», «Ալֆա-Օմեգա» եւ «Զեփյուռ» ՀԿ-ները պահանջել են բոլոր հեռուստատեսությունների ցուցադրած օդերեւութաբանական կանխատեսման քարտեզներից հանել «ԼՂԻՄ»-ի պատկերը եւ փոխարինել ՀՀ եւ ԼՂՀ քարտեզներով: «Ջնջելով հայ ժողովրդին պարտադրված «Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի Ինքնավար Մարզի» ապօրինի, արհեստական եւ անկենսունակ նախկին սահմանները, 2006 թվականի հանրաքվեով ընդունված ԼՂՀ սահմանադրությունն ամրագրել է մեր ժողովրդի լավագույն զավակների արյան գնով ազատագրված Հայոց հողի ինքնիշխան սահմանները: Համոզված ենք, որ ամենակարճ ժամկետներում կգործադրվեն բոլոր անհրաժեշտ միջոցները՝ ստեղծված իրավիճակը փոփոխելու ուղղությամբ», նշված է հաղորդագրությունում: Ա. Բ. AZG Armenian Daily #230, 11/12/2008 Edited December 12, 2008 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 hyetgha: Still, their presence in Armenia is perhaps the only reason why Armenia hasn't been gobbled up by Turkey or Azerbaijan (or Georgia ) Russia always betrayed its friends and everyone knows that. Russia needs Armenian more than Armenian needs Russia. Don't forget who was helping the azeri turks to massacre the Armenians of Shahumyan, Getashen, Martunashen... Russians are always after their own interests. Remember how they betrayed the Serbs, the Iraqis, the Cubans...??? Russian politicians are like their women. They go to bed with you if you find a way to please them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahak Posted December 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Still nobody answered if CSTO mean anything.Armenia has played active role in military exercises etc and as member it supposedly protects itself from none member attack like Azerbaijan which is not a member state.The real question is if attacked will Russian,Kazak,Turmen,Kyrgis fight along side with Armenians. I just can't see it. I feel its just a paper organization without any backbone.It sure is not even close to NATO. If you disagree I like to hear why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVO Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Here is the article 4 of the CSTO agreement Статья 4 Если одно из государств - участников подвергнется агрессии со стороны какого-либо государства или группы государств, то это будет рассматриваться как агрессия против всех государств - участников настоящего Договора. В случае совершения акта агрессии против любого из государств - участников все остальные государства - участники предоставят ему необходимую помощь, включая военную, а также окажут поддержку находящимися в их распоряжении средствами в порядке осуществления права на коллективную оборону в соответствии со статьей 51 Устава ООН. http://www.dkb.gov.ru/start/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK-47 Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 The only problem is that these CSTO states will view any Azerbaboon aggression against Armenians as one against NKR, which they will use as an excuse that it's not part of Armenia therefore it's not our responsibility. Turkey on the other hand is a different story but they won't dare attack Armenia as long as Gyumri Russian base and our 25 year agreement with Russia is alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyethga Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 hyetgha: Still, their presence in Armenia is perhaps the only reason why Armenia hasn't been gobbled up by Turkey or Azerbaijan (or Georgia ) Russia always betrayed its friends and everyone knows that. Russia needs Armenian more than Armenian needs Russia. Don't forget who was helping the azeri turks to massacre the Armenians of Shahumyan, Getashen, Martunashen... Russians are always after their own interests. Remember how they betrayed the Serbs, the Iraqis, the Cubans...??? Russian politicians are like their women. They go to bed with you if you find a way to please them. Russia is a superpower that's naturally going to look after its interests and it can do whatever it damn well pleases. This supposedly startling "betrayal" has been a common theme for 200 years! Keep in mind that there were Russian emperors in the first half of the 19th century who vacillated from destroying the Ottoman Empire to propping it up and "doing business with it." This isn't to say that we should always try to please Russia but to play their game with politics. America's presence is lightly felt but it'll never and should never be viewed as a substitute for Russia. If you want Russia to value you, you nudge it lightly; you don't push it away with like that idiot Saakashvili did and then lose all your trump cards in the process. Whether we choose to accept it or not, Russia's not going anywhere. I'm surprised people are still having difficulty adjusting to this fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Russia is a superpower??? A superpower with no economy??? When were you last time in Russia---and I mean Russia-not just Moscow or St. Petersburg? Did you know that people in Russia die from mulnutrition. Now that the oil prices are down, the government can't even pay to feed it's people. hyethga: "Whether we choose to accept it or not, Russia's not going anywhere. I'm surprised people are still having difficulty adjusting to this fact. " Russians play by the old rules and it's costing them dearly. Just like I said in my previous post, Russia is the next nazi Germany and it will be destroyed from within. Sahakashvili and Shevardnadze were too stupid to orcestrate that rose revolution, -but you can't say the same about the Ukrainians and the other slavic people who-in fact, are smarter than the Cartfels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 hyethga, when a war breaks out, will you go to fight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyethga Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 hyethga, when a war breaks out, will you go to fight? I have entertained such thoughts before, if the situation is reduced to the point where Armenia is on the brink of quite real extermination, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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