Sumerians were part Armenian!

[Sahak]

It is of considerable interest to trace where the ancient Sumerians emerged from because of their primary contribution to human civilization. It was suggested that Sumerians appeared in Southern Mesopotamia around five and half thousand years ago carrying with them the seeds of civilization. It was also suggested that they migrated from the west coast of India. The fact that they were not a local people is suggested by the fact that their language belongs to a completely different and isolated group. There are two further lines of investigation one may adopt to confirm this hypothesis. The first is to explore for other groups in India with a similar language and the second is to carry out a physical examination of the Sumerian skeletons as available at the present time to detect racial similarities.

 

In western India there are a number of tribal groups that have existed from ancient times. Today many live on the fringes of mainstream communities as exist in India today. The mainstream communities belong to either the Indo-Aryan or Dravidian linguistic groups. Sumerian does not belong to either. As regards the tribal, it is now fruitless to look for any similarities between Sumerian and present tribal languages in India because over thousands of years their original languages have disappeared because of the overwhelming influence of other languages. The western tribal communities of India now speak modified versions or mixtures of the mainstream languages. However, all is not lost because although the tribal in India such as kols and Bheels have been overly influenced, it is not so with some of their branches that migrated further east towards Australia in ancient times, and form a branch of the same human groups. One may then look for similarities between Sumerian and Austric languages. This study has in fact been already done and the consensus is a resounding, yes. The austric languages are indeed similar to ancient Sumerian. The similarities are so numerous and clear that they are beyond doubt or a result of any chance coincidence. (The Austric Origin of the Sumerian Language, Language Form, vol. 22, no.1-2, Jan.-Dec. 1996.)

 

Therefore now it may be said with confidence that ancient Sumerian is not a linguistic isolate. It belongs to the australoid/ austric group of languages. They belong to this group because the ancient tribal people of Indian west coast also belonged to the same group of people, and it is from here that they must have migrated to Mesopotamia. Both the Australoid and Austric type are found in India. There are clear reasons to rule out any other location for the Sumerian migration: Western India is geographically close to Southern Mesopotamia as compared to south East Asia and Australia and there are no know instances of civilization east of the Indus valley around five thousand years ago. Such evidence has been found in the Indus valley.

 

The second study concerns physical examination of Sumerian skulls. Buxton and Rice have found that of 26 Sumerian crania they examined 22 were Australoid or Austrics. Further According to Penniman who studied skulls from other Sumerian sites, the Australoid Eurafrican, Austric and Armenoid were the "racial" types associated with the Sumerians. Here is Penniman's description of the Austric type found at Sumer:

 

"These people are of medium stature, with complexion and hair like those of the Eurafrican, to which race they are allied with dark eyes, and oval faces, broad noses, rather feeble jaws, and slight sinewy bodies."

 

This description also closely describes the regal person seen on a famous clay tablet from the Indus Valley. This same tribe in an evolved version undoubtedly established the Indus civilization as well as the Sumerian one after the submergence of their coastal cities. In North-western India they would have encountered Neolithic people of Indo-European origin with which manpower they established the Indus cities. An analysis of skeletal remains from Indus valley confirms this mixture. Both the IndoSumerian-austric language must then have persisted side by side as in Mesopotamia with the official language of the rulers being IndoSumerian-austric. Just as in Mesopotamia, ancient Sumerian was replaced by the language of the majority(Akkadians) in the Indus valley it would have been replaced eventually by an Indo-Aryan language. At what precise moment in history this occurred is not certain but most probably the Sumerian language disappeared from India by 2000 BC. In this latter case there was no question of preserving it for ritual purposes either. This is because the IndoSumerian-Austric language never developed as a fully written language in India to inscribe full texts. In any case, a better Indo-Aryan language with its own full-fledged script soom emerged probably because of Hittite influences in the Indian sub-continent around that time.

 

Contribution of Armenians to ancient civilization

 

In the Indus valley from which the Sumerians emerged there were other tribes that lived in close proximity of the Austric Sumerians. These were prehistoric indo-Aryan tribes of an Armenian origin – followers of the God Ara. The indo Aryans were fair skinned and light haired. Hence the reason for the indo-Sumerians to label themselves as dark headed in comparison to the Ara people who were shining. Sumerians also began using the word Ara for fair and bright and eventually they labeled all indo-Aryan people as Ara or Arya. The word Armenian has its origin in AR-MA, i.e. the children of Ara and Ma the fertility Goddess.

 

Later indo-Aryan migrations of around 1500BC into the Indus regions were apparently of Hittite origin. Apparently, some intermarriage also took place between these indo-Sumerians and Armenians probably leading to a more vigorous community then would have been possible otherwise. A physical marriage also resulted in a marriage of the religious traditions of the Sumerian and Armenian tribes as well as the Sumerian language being influenced by Armenian. Such influences can be found by comparisons between the Armenian (or even Hungarian that emerged from ancient Armenian) and Sumerian language. Are was the Sun God and the roots of sun worship in the world appear to have an Aryan origin rather than a Sumerian one.

Archaeologists refer to Transcaucasus region, including modern Armenia, as the earliest known prehistoric culture in the area, carbon-dated to roughly 6000 - 4000 BC. A recently discovered tomb has been dated to 9000 BC. Another early culture in the Armenian Highland and surrounding areas, the Kura-Araxes culture, is assigned the period of ca. 4000 - 2200 BC. Armenians are one of the oldest Indo-European subgroups. Therefore, it is not surprising that from amongst the Aryans it was the Armenians who spread around the ancient world of Mesopatomia and Indus valley first. The Hittite Aryans that became more powerful than the Armenians by 1500 BC were close neighbors and racial cousins of the Armenians, at times clashing with them and at times co-existing, yet probably gaining form the interaction at all times.

 

Buxton and Rice have found that of 26 Sumerian crania they examined 22 were Australoid or Austrics and four armennoid. Further According to Penniman who studied skulls from other Sumerian sites, the Australoid Eurafrican, Austric and Armenoid were the "racial" types associated with the Sumerians. Certainly it cannot be confirmed without further investigation if the Sumerian-Armenian alliance took place on Sumerian or Indian soil. It is also not certain if it was a forced or voluntary one. The fair skinned Armenian ladies are likely to have regarded the dark broad nosed Sumerians as ugly. Nevertheless, it may be deduced that the earliest Sumerians who introduced civilization in our world were around 85% Austric and 15% Armenian Aryans.

 

It is surprising that one of the most significant contributions to mankind should come from the Austric/australoid races. Elsewhere their contribution has not been remarkable. However, apparently a small genetic change is all that is necessary for this achievement. Similar races have illustrated that this can happen elsewhere as well. An example of that is Angkor Vat of Cambodia that illustrates technical mastery on an unprecedented scale, noted for its architectural and artistic perfection, not to mention its sheer size, Angkor Vat is the most famous and no doubt the most remarkable of all of ancient temples with extraordinary architectural and artistic innovations, one of the grandest achievements of mankind.

Dr. Ashok Malhotra was born in Pune, India in 1950

[Johannes]

Sumerians were part Armenian!

Or we are part Sumerian!

[Sahak]

Or we are part Sumerian!

Either way now it explains the source of our eagle nose!

[Johannes]

Greetings to Doctor Ashot Malhotrian

 

In the Indus valley from which the Sumerians emerged there were other tribes that lived in close proximity of the Austric Sumerians. These were prehistoric indo-Aryan tribes of an Armenian origin – followers of the God Ara. The indo Aryans were fair skinned and light haired. Hence the reason for the indo-Sumerians to label themselves as dark headed in comparison to the Ara people who were shining.

Those should be the first Diaspora Armenians. We are amazing-people.

Later indo-Aryan migrations of around 1500BC into the Indus regions were apparently of Hittite origin. Apparently, some intermarriage also took place between these indo-Sumerians and Armenians probably leading to a more vigorous community then would have been possible otherwise.

With "probably" we can not result scientific conclusions.

With the same principle, the intermarriage thing, we can say, "Arabs, Hungarians, Kurds, Caucasian nations, Romanians, Poles, Greeks, Egyptians, Iranians" are part Armenian.

 

It is surprising that one of the most significant contributions to mankind should come from the Austric/australoid races. Elsewhere their contribution has not been remarkable. However, apparently a small genetic change is all that is necessary for this achievement.

Is it too hard for an Arian Accepting a non-Arian can create a great civilization?

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Indian beauty is the most beautiful beauty among the beauties.

 

[Arpa]

Speaking of Sumerians, did anyone else see the docu about Hittites on the History Channel?

Below the introduction, see the rest here.

http://www.history.com/encyclopedia.do?articleId=211973

Contrary to the below, the program clearly stated that these are not necessarily the ones mentioned in the Bible(which I did not quite understand). The program showed some maps but they were so brief that I could not make any sense, even if the maps showed what we know as Greater Armenia the A word was never used. Don’t we claim that the "HAY" designation is from Hatti/Hattusa? They repeatedly said the Hittite language was not Semitic but Indo-European. They showed the below deciphering of an inscription…a rough translation- “we ate bread and drank water”. Observe the similarity of “et=eat=outel/ուտել” and “eiz=etz=hats”, “eku-ut=outel”, “wa-a-tar=water”, it was also mentioned that “eku” in the second line is the analog of the Latin “aqua”, which makes one think if the Armenian “jur” is not also related, in spite of the assumption that the word “jur/ջուր” is a variation of “water/wasser”.

nu ninda en e-iz-za-te-ni

wa-a-tar-ma e-ku-ut-te-ni

Another interpretation of the phrase

In November 1915, he approached a group of German orientalists and announced that he was able to read the characters of the ancient Hittites, the official language of the Hittite empire. The first sentence he deciphered was “Now there is bread you will eat, water you will then drink…”

And, of course the program ended on a note that the Hittites suddenly disappeared without a trace (probably due to internal civil war), but it was never suggested tat they may have continued as Hays.

Here is a challenge to our linguists. Can we assume that the Armenian language is a hybrid of the IE Hittite and the non-IE Urartuan, later peppered with Pahlavi, Assyrian etc?

Heb. Hittim), ancient people of Asia Minor and the Middle East, inhabiting the land of Hatti on the central plateau of what is now Anatolia, Turkey, and some areas of northern Syria. The Hittites, whose origin is unknown, spoke an Indo-European language. They invaded the region, which became known as Hatti, about 1900 bc and imposed their language, culture, and rule on the earlier inhabitants, a people speaking a non–Indo-European agglutinative language. The first town settled by the Hittites was Nesa, near present-day Kayseri, Turkey. Shortly after 1800 bc they conquered the town of Hattusha, near the site of present-day Bogazköy. Nothing more is known of Hittite history until, in the 17th century bc, the so-called Old Hittite Kingdom was founded by the Hittite leader Labarna (r. about 1680–1650 bc), or Tabarna, and Hattusha became its capital. Labarna conquered nearly all of central Anatolia and extended his rule to the sea. His successors extended Hittite conquests into northern Syria. Mursili I (r. about 1620–1590 bc), the second ruler after Labarna, conquered what is now Aleppo, Syria, and raided Babylon about 1595 bc. Mursili's assassination was followed by a period of internal strife and external weakness that ended during the reign of King Telipinu (r. about 1525–1500 bc). To ensure the stability of the kingdom, he issued strict rules governing the royal succession. The law code may also have been compiled during his reign. Of Telipinu's successors only the names are known

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Note above “ Aleppo and Mursili”. Is The latter the origin of “Marash“, and “telipinu= Halep, as the both have always been lumped together as a region? I bet, if we look deep and careful enough we may find the origin of the name “kilikia” as well.

 

 

[Arpa]

Greetings to Doctor Ashot Malhotrian

 

 

Those should be the first Diaspora Armenians. We are amazing-people.

 

With "probably" we can not result scientific conclusions.

With the same principle, the intermarriage thing, we can say, "Arabs, Hungarians, Kurds, Caucasian nations, Romanians, Poles, Greeks, Egyptians, Iranians" are part Armenian.

 

 

Is it too hard for an Arian Accepting a non-Arian can create a great civilization?

--

Indian beauty is the most beautiful beauty among the beauties.

Ի միջ:

Սիրելի Օհան, քո Անգլիերէն լեզուի տիրոյթը արդէն գլել անցել է իմը:

Խնդրեմ մի խպնիր եւ ներոյթ հայցիր: Երանի մեր մի շատ ամերիկածին եւ ամերիկաբնակները կարենային նոյնքան լման Անգլիերէն գրել:

Կողմնակի:

Երկար տարիներ առաջ, մեր հաերենակից մի գեղեցիկ Հայ տղայ, ծառայ եւ համազգեստով Սուրիական բանակի, նշմարուաուած էր Ագլիերէն խօսելիս մի օտարի հետ: Ձերբակալուեց իբր լրտես, եւ երկար ժամանակ արգելաբակուեց:

 

 

Edited November 26, 2008 by Arpa

[Arpa]

There still are among us that insist the Mamikoneans were from China, and that their name was an amalgam of Mamik and Konak, whatever it may mean.

Then there are those who insist that name Ashot is a corruption of the Indian Ashok.

How about this? That Diran is a variation if Indra?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intra_(Diran_Chrakian)

Intra or Indra (Diran Chrakian, 1875, Constantinople, Ottoman Empire - 1921) was an Armenian poet, writer, painter and teacher, a victim of Armenian Genocide.

http://www.jnanam.net/indra/

Let’s see how much good it is if we trace our ancestry to th Japaanese Hai-ku.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku

Hai em yes, Qaj em yes. Azatetsek im dzerqes. Hai-astan@ azatogh Qaj Vardani (Chinese -Chechen Mamikonean) torn em yes.

How about a few seriously scientific “historians”, who would concentrate on the fact that WE have been there since times immemorial?

Never mind “Hay “derabad, India, Armadillo, Texas or Armagnac France.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armagnac

One could only wish that Giorgio ;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgio_Armani

And Nora ;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgio_Armani

Would come out and declare that their surname means Armenian.

Oh! How we melt to goo every time we see “arm” and “Hay/Hye” !

Was the Spanish Arm-ada an Armenian Navy?

Or is the word “arm”, armament, “zenq” an Armenian word?

Or is “bazooka” from the Armenian word “bazook/բազուկ” to mean “arm”?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bazookas_Korea.jpg

 

 

Edited November 26, 2008 by Arpa

[Johannes]

eiz=etz=hats

Genius solution for "hats" (bread) Arpa.

wa-a-tar=water”,

We saw the same word in "Vartavar" (Water worship day), also in "urd" (water channel), and some place-names, as in Lastivert, Olavert, Elivart (Եղվարդ):

 

Don’t we claim that the "HAY" designation is from Hatti/Hattusa?

Hayasa existed while Hattusa & Hittite Empire were.

Here is a challenge to our linguists. Can we assume that the Armenian language is a hybrid of the IE Hittite and the non-IE Urartuan, later peppered with Pahlavi, Assyrian etc?

They studied and found the Armenian language influenced and not descended from Hittit language.

His successors extended Hittite conquests into northern Syria. Mursili I (r. about 1620–1590 bc), the second ruler after Labarna, conquered what is now Aleppo, Syria

We have the same name in Mushegh form ("Musheł" in ancient Armenian pronunciation).

Note above “ Aleppo and Mursili”. Is The latter the origin of “Marash“

Good observation. If "Ili" is an affix in this name. We have historical place-names with "ali" affix, as in "Daranali" and "Mananali".

Երկար տարիներ առաջ, մեր հաերենակից մի գեղեցիկ Հայ տղայ, ծառայ եւ համազգեստով Սուրիական բանակի, նշմարուաուած էր Ագլիերէն խօսելիս մի օտարի հետ: Ձերբակալուեց իբր լրտես, եւ երկար ժամանակ արգելաբակուեց:

Պարտիմ գովասանքիդ: Ուրեմն բարեբախտաբար բանակային չեմ:

 

[Aratta-Kingdom]

Sumerians were in fact Armenian.

 

Sahak, can you quote your source?

[Sahak]

Sumerians were in fact Armenian.

 

Sahak, can you quote your source?

Sure LINK

[Zartonk]

(or even Hungarian that emerged from ancient Armenian)

 

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