My threads

[curiousfellow]

My two topics seem to have been moved. Could anyone specify where exactly (or were they deleted)?

[ED]

they are not deleted but are temporarily unavailable

 

[curiousfellow]

May i ask how come or for how long?

[Johannes]

May i ask how come or for how long?

 

until you learn respect genocide victims and armenian people. untill you learn to not play with words.

Edward sorry, if i answered instead of you.

Edited May 16, 2008 by Johannes

[DominO123]

May i ask how come or for how long?

 

I can answer to that,

 

1) empty talk is not tolerated on the Armenian genocide section.

2) You have asked a question and then had gone creating a second thread basically asking the same question.

3) We at hyeforum have dealt with your type of persona over the years and concluded that this kind of empty discussion on the Armenian Genocide should not be encouraged.

 

I would have probably closed the first thread and deleted the second (which aim was basically to provoque) and warning the creator for the second thread. So your situation isen't really bad at all.

[Yervant1]

Dear curiousfellow,

 

Your threads?

What threads?

We have asked our historians who specialize in forum archival materials to do the search for those threads. They came back to tell us that there are no such threads in the forum archives. Our archives are open to the whole world to see that such threads did not exist and we have nothing to hide. Let the historians do the study and come to a fair conclusion about it, our nation don't do such things at all.

 

Even though there are no such threads in our archives but we do not allow the discussion about it freely because it insults our Armenianness.

 

P.S. We did ask the help of turkish archive institutions assistance since they are the masters of that trade and we do appreciate their help. I must admit they are experts in that field.

[curiousfellow]

With all due respect, if you look through my first thread, there were no clear answers to my question, which was all i was really looking for.

Again, i am not trying to go into any discussion of the Armenian Genocide and want to keep it refined solely to the Andonian documents.

[Aratta-Kingdom]

We did ask the help of turkish archive institutions assistance since they are the masters of that trade and we do appreciate their help. I must admit they are experts in that field.

 

 

I have a bad news Yervant jan. The turkish government doens't like the scholard to study the archives.

 

 

 

 

 

TURKEY BANS TURKISH GENOCIDE SCHOLAR

 

Taraf

Monday, January 7, 2008

 

BERLIN (Taraf)--Historian Mehmet Sait Uluishik, a German citizen

of Turkish origin has been banned from entering Turkey without any

explanation, the daily Taraf reported Sunday. Uluishik has been

researching the role of Circassian's in the Armenian Genocide in the

Prime Ministry's Ottoman Archives.

 

He said while he was working in the archives officials employed there

kept him under close observation.

 

Uluishik has been living in Germany since 1984. His Turkish citizenship

was revoked in 1991 for not performing his military service. Uluishik

has been a German citizen since 1997.

 

Since 2005 he has been working on Circassian history and has visited

Turkey almost 20 times during the last two years for his research. The

last time he arrived in Turkey was in November of 2007. When he

arrived at the airport in Istanbul he was handed a paper from the

Interior Ministry that declared he is barred from entering Turkey. He

was immediately deported to Berlin. When Uluishik asked the police

officer that handed him the paper for the reason behind it, he learned

that the ban was not issued by the police department but came directly

from the Interior Ministry.

 

Uluishik told the daily Taraf that he requested to talk to a

parliamentarian to learn the reason behind his ban. "The deputy told

me that the ban had nothing to do with the revocation of my citizenship

for completing my military duty," he added.

[Aratta-Kingdom]

 

 

 

My name is Mehmet Sait Uluýþýk and I was born in Eskiþehir

(Turkey) on July 10, 1959. On November 20, 2007, at Yeþilköy Airport

(Istanbul), without presenting any justification but based upon an

order from the Ministry of the Interior, I was declared a suspicious

person, denied entry into Turkey and sent back to Berlin on the first

return flight.

I have been living in Germany since 1984 and have worked

as a journalist and publisher since 1992. Because of my Circassian

ethnic background I have been interested in Circassian history and

since 2005 have stopped working actively as a journalist and publisher

and started devoting all of my time to gathering documents on the

subject.

I was stripped of my Turkish citizenship in 1991 because

of my failure to perform obligatory military service (based on Order

#1956, dated June 7, 1991, supported by Statute 403, Section 25,

paragraph ç). Since 1997, the year I became a German citizen, I have

been entering and exiting Turkey regularly without incident.

I was not provided with the official reason for denying my

entry into Turkey. Despite this, based upon information that I was

able to gather from contacts I made, the reason I was denied entry

into Turkey is apparently to prevent my performing research at the

Presidential Ottoman Archives (Baþbakanlýk Osmanlý Arþiv, hereinafter

"BOA") in Istanbul.

There is a very simple reason why my entry to Turkey was

blocked instead of directly prohibiting my research at the

archives. If the latter had occurred, it would have made an obvious

statement that would have belied the arguments of the governing AK

Party administration that "Our archives are open to all. Everyone's

welcome to come in and examine them," or "let the historians form a

commission." By using a different strategy and preventing my entry

into the country, it allows for the raising of a suspicion that there

are perhaps other issues in my personal background.

Recently, I started to wonder about the history of

Circassians and I want to write a book about the subject. The actual

topic that interests me is "Did the Circassians play any role in the

events of 1915 and if so, what?" Also, I have been trying to find the

answers to the question, "What was the relationship between

Circassians and other minorities during the period in question, prior

to that and afterwards?" For the past two years, I have been working

in a regular, disciplined manner at the BOA and systematically

gathering documents on the subject. A large part of my life during the

past two years has been taken up this way at the archives in Istanbul.

During my work at the archives I was frequently blocked in

my efforts by the employees, who are known as followers of

Turkish-Islamic synthesis (mostly supporters of the Turkish

nationalist party). I believe that the denial of my entry into Turkey

was the result of efforts by these same individuals. At the airport I

was presented with a "Record of Denial of Entry" form. On the form was

all of my identification information. This information taken from my

German ID card is available in only one place, and that is the

Presidential Ottoman Archives.

The police officer at the airport informed me that the

order [to deny entry] came directly from the Ministry of the Interior,

not from the General Directorate of Security. Based upon his

investigation of the issue, parliamentarian Mr. Ufuk Uras informed me

that the entry denial did not come from the Ministry of National

Defense nor did it have anything to do with military service.

Since the issuance of the entry denial on Nov. 20, 2007, I

have made no effort to broadcast this information. I believed that the

ban was an effort to discredit the AK Party administration. I had

hoped that the AK Party administration would quickly rectify the

situation when it so obviously contradicts the government's policies

as stated to the public. I tried to remain silent because if the

incident were revealed, it would create an obstacle in Turkey's

relations with the European Union and lead the way to lowering opinion

towards the current administration and Turkey in general, especially

after recent discourse regarding the events of 1915. I tried to

resolve it through private channels.

Unfortunately both my own efforts and those of my attorney

to reach the authorities within the AK Party have come to a

standstill. I was unable to get anywhere with my efforts. That leaves

only one option: letting the public know, through the media, about a

mindset that attempts to prevent an individual from conducting

research in the archives by denying them entry into the country.

It is obvious what sort of difficulty is going to befall

someone like me who is doing nothing other than gathering documents in

a systematic manner from the archives, if a government that claims

"Our archives are open to all; we welcome the formation of a

historians commission" turns around and not only denies that person

access to the archives but even entry to the country itself. Nothing

that Turkey and its administrations say on the subject can be

considered credible. One can only smirk at a statement like "Let's

solve our problems from the past" when it comes out of a mindset that

views working in the archives and gathering documents as

criminal. This can only be answered with the statement, "Do your

homework first, then open up the archives to everyone."

I want this disrespectful action against me resolved

immediately and my work, which has been delayed because of it,

compensated for as soon as possible.

 

Respectfully,

 

Mehmet Sait Uluýþýk

Jan. 2, 2008 - Berlin

 

Mehmet Sait Uluýþýk

Berlin, Germany

Email: muluisik@t-online.de

[Arpa]

With all due respect, if you look through my first thread, there were no clear answers to my question, which was all i was really looking for.

Again, i am not trying to go into any discussion of the Armenian Genocide and want to keep it refined solely to the Andonian documents.

And! You will get no response from any self respecting Armenian, except that smelly gas from the opposite end of the digestive system,

Mods and ads, can we please shut this thread down too?!!!!

Edited May 17, 2008 by Arpa