Kurds and Armenians Again

[Arpa]

Deja Vus!!!

Once again

“Kurds and Armenians”.

See the other thread here;

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=7001

Above we said “again-deja vus”.

Just as the headline below uses the word “again” we have seen similar fairy tales before.. Not any different from other fairy tales that Armenians deserved the fate of 1915 because they were collaborating with the “enemy(Russia)”, aiding and abetting them.

Just like those cowards aka furks are masters of committing genocide under the cover of war, see their invasion of the so called Iraqi Kurdistan. It is a wonder those furks did not enter Armenia during 1991-92, I have clippings* that talk about their threats to do so, that is until the Russian commander in Armenia dared them. Now that the furkish forces have entered northern Iraq, those stupid asseri-s are hoping that they can have them do the same to Armenia and Artsakh, since according to them the Kurdish “terrorists” (PKK) are not only concentrated in Iraqi Kurdistan but also in Yerevan and Stepanakert.

Except, they forget that unlike that so caled Kurdistan Armenia is a sovereign state with the right to have an army, possess advanced weapons, ground and air forces.

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AZERBAIJAN AGAIN PLAYS KURDISH CARD

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24 February, 2008

Several citizens of Turkey with Kurdish descent, who represent PKK

continue to claim that soldiers and officers of the Armed force of

Azerbaijan are involved in the military operations of the Turkish Army

in the Northern Iraq. According to our information, Azeri military

personal are involved in combat operation in the Turkish military

uniform. The silence from the Azerbaijani side enabled PKK members to provide new information in which again it is confirmed that Azerbaijani military are involved in the operations of the Turkish army in the Northern Iraq. According to those sources circa 80-100 Azerbaijani soldiers and officers are currently on the Iraqi territories and contiguous territories and at he moment Azeri forces have loses;

one soldiers was killed, two other are wounded and one is missing.

 

Couple of days ago in several Azerbaijani mass media again information

appeared after the short pause about the allegations on the presence of

PKK military bases in NKR and liberated territories. Particularly with

several statements appeared Speaker of Azerbaijani ministry of Foreign

affairs, military analytics and Azeri news agencies referred to Israeli Intelligence to confirm this information. In fact new references to the Kurdish topic in Azerbaijan indirectly confirm the information on the Azerbaijani military presence in the Northern Iraqi territories.

 

The reliability of this information provided by the several

representatives of the PKK is confirmed by the fact that in the

framework of the military cooperation agreement signed between Turkey

and Azerbaijan**, Azerbaijani military personal are actively involved

in the combat operations of the Turkish Armed forces against the PKK

militants and also are present on the territory of the Northern Cyprus

occupied by Turkish army since 1974.

 

It should be noted that the presence of PKK combatants on Azerbaijani

soil and in the outskirts of Baku several times became a cause for

diplomatic scandals and demarches between Turkey and Azerbaijan,

after Turkish intelligence and military presented bold evidences on

this matter.

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* Headline, May 21 1992, AP- "Commonwealth military chief warns of regional conflagaratio- furkey's threat to enter the Armenian-asseri conflict promps war fears. "Responding to threats from furkey ....Commonwealth Marshal Yevgeny Shaposhnikov stated... 'all countries including Russia, furkey, and the US should abstain from making such statements'".

** Of course, they forget the "militray cooperation agreement" between Yerevan and Moscow.

PS . I will retype the entire news item under another cover.

Edited February 26, 2008 by Arpa

[Arpa]

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A landmark Armenian-Kurdish Conference held in the UK parliament.

From: Eilian Williams

Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:52:58 -0700 (PDT)

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PRESS RELEASE

Armenian Solidarity with the Victims of all Genocides

eilian@nant.wanadoo.co.uk

Nor Serount Cultural Association

Centre of Halabja against the Anfalization and Genocide of Kurdish People

Seyfo Centre

c/o The Temple of Peace, Cardiff, Wales 07718982732

 

A landmark Armenian-Kurdish Conference held in the UK parliament.

Establishment of a permanent Kurdish-Armenian dialogue

 

This week marked a development in Armeno-Kurdish relations with a major

Conference held in the UK parliament. Nearly all of the UK Kurdish

organisations were represented.

On tuesday, in the House of Commons, Prof Kamal Mazhar Ahmad, former

Professor of history at Baghdad University gave a presentatiion based on

his book on the Kurds in World War 1 and the Armenian Genocide. He had

quoted from witnessess such as Faez Al-Ghosain who was in Turkey at the

time of the Genocide. He maintained that the killings were premeditated

by the Turkish state, rather than being outbursts of violence at local

level. His presentation (delivered in Arabic and translated) was well

received and several Kurds in the audience rose at the end to say that

Kurds should apologise for the involvement of many of them in the

Genocide. Several expressed their desire to become involved in the work

for Recognition of this Genocide .

It was decided unanimously, at the suggestion of Adnan Kochar,

director of CHAK, that we should write to the KRG government to ask for

official recognition of the 1915 Genocide of the Armenians and the

Assyrians, and also to the Armenian Government to ask for official

recognition of the Anfal Genocide

The other speaker, eminent Kurdish writer Rebwar Fatah concentrated

on issues of Human Rights related to Genocide.

 

On wednesday in the House of Lords, the issue of the betrayal of

Armenians, Kurds and Assyrians by the Great Powers in the Treaty of

Lausanne was addressed (close to its 85th anniversary). The speakers

were researcher Tony Kahve, writer Dr Kemal Miredali and researcher Ms

Soma Mallzada. The legitimacy of the Lausanne Treaty was challanged and

questioned from the perspective of the three nations which were not

allowed to participate in its creation.It was noted that Turkey has

continually broken the terms of the treaty, rendering it even more

invalid. The speeches will be ready for distribution soon.

One valuable contribution was sent to the Conference by Haydar Issik

a Kurdish writer now in Germany. (below)

 

THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AND

 

CURRENT DEVELOPMENTS IN TURKEY

 

BY HAYDAR ISIK (trans. Tony Kahve)

 

Ladies and Gentlemen,

 

I greet you sincerely and would like to begin by an extract from

David Kherdian's book called "In the Shadow of the Crescent." It was

published in Germany by the Peri publishing house. It reads as follows:

 

"Even if we are divided by force, we still remain one family. If one of

us dies, undoubtedly something dies in all of us. But if only one of us

survives then we will all live through that survivor. No happiness

emanates from disaster. What the Turk does is insanity. You may get

serenity one day followed by disaster the next.

 

We must wait and see as to which gate God will reveal to us.

 

I hope that the avenue which is about to open in front of us will also

bring us back. Whatever happens you must return."

 

These are the words of a grandmother of a large and prosperous

Armenian family in the Anatolian town of Afyon, before she was deported

to the Syrian desert.

 

Firstly, the young men were conscripted into the army, shortly after the

deportations begun.

 

At this point, I would like to note that the only survivor of the

family in the desert town of Deir Zor was a child called Veron. Indeed,

under these circumstances, even if he could return to Afyon, there was

no longer any one there to greet him. The land of Anatolia and the

Syrian deserts became the grave of 1.5 million Armenians. Incredibly,

even their graves could not be in their motherland. Their remains merely

gained the attention of scavenging animals. This is the greatest

humanitarian crime committed against the Armenian nation during the

first quarter of the twentieth century. It is a Genocide. Consequently,

the mass barbarism must be seriously questioned. The responsible element

must face its history. Bypassing the issue is sanctioning Genocide, thus

opening the gates of new Genocides. Claiming that we committed no such

crime and that they committed such crimes against us does not hide the

reality.

 

Anatolia's ancient people have felt the death of 1.5 million

Armenians, thus something has also died within those Turks and Kurds who

consider themselves human beings. Anatolia was a land populated with

Armenians at every sunrise, with them it was a beautiful land. Where are

our Armenian neighbours today? Why can't these ancient people of

Anatolia return to their country? Why shouldn't the present day sunrise

greet them as it used to? Previously, despite religious differences, the

Turk, the Armenian, the Assyrian and the Syrian as well as the Kurd were

one family. The Armenian man was enriching Anatolia with art and

culture. You have to think for a moment that if this Genocide had not

taken place couldn't all Anatolians still pursue a prosperous life

jointly? Doesn't the answer to this question reflect the words of the

old women that: "What the Turk does is insanity"? Indeed if this

insanity had not been committed the peoples of Anatolia today would

still have coexisted prosperously.

 

The Armenian people were the true owners of certain regions of

Anatolia and were the true wealth of those regions. What did the

destroyers of this wealth truly gain in their single-minded disease

incorporating a frenzy of Pan Islam and racist Pan-Turkism? The reality

is that now they are unable to wipe away the Armenian blood which stains

their foreheads permanently. Now, which ever door Turkey knocks on there

appears the Armenian Genocide.

 

The Kurds also became the triggers and revolvers of this genocide. I

never forget the statement made in 1956 by a Muslim called Sofu Hasan

from the town of Mush. "We were told that the Armenians were to attack

the mosque. We, however, acted rapidly and quickly gathered them. I know

that I killed five Armenians with one bullet".

 

Sofu Hasan believed he was conducting the orders of former Caliphs.

He would pray profoundly for the day when he would be received by God.

The important point to comprehend here is that the spirit of Sofu Hasan

has now entered the AKP the ruling party in Turkey. AKP believes that it

has inherited the Ottoman past, and does not recognise the Genocide,

this means that it is sanctioning it.

 

During the late nineteenth century, 36 Kurdish clans were organised

into special brigades by Sultan Abdul Hamid in order to eliminate the

Armenians. Thus the Kurds became the instruments of that government.

Today, however, 75 members of the Grand National/Assembly fortified with

a number of ministers have become the triggers against the Kurds. The

Kurdish brigades of the past are the shame of the Kurdish people.

 

One Armenian survivor of the Genocide describes his experience as

such: "Our deportation column gradually got smaller, partly because

numerous children were killed or kidnapped. One night we were

approaching a caravanserai, fifteen of the surviving children rushed to

a well next to the buildings in order to drink water. The officer in

charge believed that their true intention was to escape. Consequently,

two gendarmes were sent after them. They were promptly put in a line and

shot. They were between 8 and 12 years old.(Erlebnisse, Therese Lehmann

Haupt p8 Donat & Temman Veslag)

 

Unfortunately, the nature of these events is most heart breaking.

Sadly, even today we live in a state that the Turkish police, in front

of the TV cameras, will break the arm of a child and viciously beat

women and children. The Turkish soldier will happily decimate the bodies

of the guerrillas he has killed. Such violence demonstrates once again

the murderous continuity emanating from the Committee of Union and

Progress and its extension the Kemalist regime.

 

This ideology [based on Turkism] incorporates cultural elimination,

thus Armenians are unable to survive in Anatolia. Murder of Hrant Dink

was also committed by the same insane psyche. The same insanity is now

attempting to eliminate the Kurds. AKP and its generals have spread

their war throughout Kurdistan. The Turkish regime is racist and

ideologically lives in the past. Turkey must apologise to the Armenians

and promote the principles of peace and equality with the Kurds;

otherwise it cannot survive by a policy of permanent murder. Turkish

politicians should get on their knees at the Genocide Monument in

Yerevan and ask for forgiveness. Just as Willy Brandt did in Warsaw for

the Second World War crimes.

 

What has happened to the Armenians should never be forgotten.

Anatolian people must be told the truth. Personally I have been

threatened numerous times due to the articles I have written about the

Armenians. But as a human being it is my duty to acknowledge the

Armenian Genocide. At every opportunity, I present articles and continue

to make speeches. Thus, I convey my support to the Armenian people and

wish them all the success

Edited July 14, 2008 by Arpa

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Once again. Take it with a "grain", no, a big lump of salt.

The above seems to be aired by Nor Serount, the cultural arm of the Hnchak Party.

I read it several times to see even one Armenian name. Don't be fooled with the parliamentarian "Eilian" (Williams') name. It sounds Welsh.

Meantime. Please don'r interrup me, let me go back to "snore, snore".

Do you remember Khrimian Hayrik, who went to Berlin but was not allowed to enter the "assembly room"?

We are sleeping while Kurds, Assyrian and others are dividing Historic Armenia among themselves.

And yes, the Kurds have "apologized" a milion times. Talk is cheap. How about they pay back all the loot they have been accumulating since Raffi's times?!!!???

Talk is cheap.

Have the Kurds forgotten that they are "religious brothers" of Hamid/hamidieh mercenaries? And that Armenians are an easy target, a treasure, a bowl of fruit ready for the picking, robbing???

What is their eventual agenda? How will Historic Armenia be divided??

Yegbayr dartsan Hayastan Kurdistan???

Don't forget the words from that song "Yeghbayr dartsan Hayastan azerkakjan"!!!

Is the word "naivite" native Armenian???

Avetik said it best.

Խարխուլ նաւակով յանձնուիր ծովին,

Քան թէ հաւատաս քուրդի երդումին

Also note above that, that Iraqi Kurd read his paper in Arabic. Are Kurds Arabs, Persians of furks? No, no! They are the heirs of the Medes/ Partevs/ Պարթեւ:

Idiots!!! If they only knew who and what they are!!!??

Edited July 14, 2008 by Arpa

[Johannes]

Ողջոյն,

Ցեղասպանութեան մասին զրուցել չենք սիրեր, քանզի մեր սրտերը կը նեղացնէ՝ մենք ենք վնասուողները, այդուհանդերձ առանց այդ նիւթին առնչուելու չենք կարող մնալ:

Այսպէս, երբ ճանաչում կը պահանջենք, անդիէն մէկը կ’ըսէ թէ՝ հայերն ալ թող ճանչնան Անֆալը: Ինչու առեւտո՞ւր է ճանաչումը: Նորաձեւութի՞ւն է, մոդա՞ է ցեղասպանութեան ենթարկուած ազգ ըլլալը: Ի՞նչ է Անֆալը: Քանի՞ հարիւր մարդ սպանուած է այդտեղ:

Հանդիսատես եղած եմ Հայոց Ցեղասպանութեան մասին հեռատեսլային հաղորդումներու, երբ սաուդցի կամ թուրք «երջանիկ» մտաւորական մը, յանկարծ մէջբերէ Ալջերիոյ «Ցեղասպանութիւնը»:

Ո'վ մարդ, ի՞նչ կապ ունինք մենք Ալջերիոյ հետ: Միթէ՞ ալջերիացիք ամբողջովին (90%) ոչնչացան, միթէ՞ ամբողջովին հայրենազուրկ եղան:

Այս ալ Ֆրանսայի աչքին փուշ մտցնելու պէս կը յիշատակեն, ու դարձեալ անարգւողը մեր անմեղ նահատակները կ’ըլլան:

Բրիտանիոյ խորհրդարանի մէջ քուրդեր եւ հայեր: Կասկած չկայ, որ Իրաքի քուրդերը, Բրիտանիոյ եւ Ամերիկայի շփացած երեխաներն են այժմ: Այս անգամ թուրքոյ վրայ ճնշում գործադրել ուզողը, Իրաքի քուրդե՞րն են, ու ճնշման լաւագոյն «մուրճը» հայոց Ցեղասպանութեան անմեղ զոհերը՞ գտած են:

Արեւմտահայը՝ Ցեղասպանուած հայը լաւ առած մը ունի. «Գնա՛ մեռիր, եկո'ւր սիրեմ»: Ահա մարդասէր քուրդին ըրածը: Պէտք չկայ ինձ անոր տալիք սէրը այլեւս: Երբ կայի, այդ ժամանակ թո'ղ սիրէր: Իրողապէս, մենք շատերու համար սիրելի ենք լոկ, երբ յիշատակ ենք, երբ մեռել ենք:

Երբ Ցեղասպանական նիւթ բացուի, թո'յն կ’ըլլամ, զեհիր, զահրումար: