Serge Sargsyan: Armenia Open For Talks With Turkey

[DeLaLa]

Avo , i would recommend you to do a family constellation once in the next university close to you . you will be surprised . in my personal oppinion you have carried harsh genocide traumas into your generation . i am serious avojan , do a family set up . maybe bert hellinger therapy will open your eyes . phenomenal psychology unconciously from generation to generation .

 

Delala I think you're just a sad lonely person in dire need of attention. And you found a way to get peoples attention by attacking them. Please leave me alone and try MySpace. I have just ignored you, so I wont be seeing any more of your comments. Hopefully you'll find someone to care for you. Goodbye and nice knowing you.

 

And my opinion of you is that you got beaten up and abused by Hayastancis in school. Or the girl you liked chose to be with Hayastanci instead of you. Highschool, thats where you're hatred is coming from isn't it?

 

so much about psychology ...

 

my oppinion about hayastanzis ? hayastanzis differ from each other like night and day . sometimes to the point where it gets scary . my closest friends i see regulary are from hayastan , but none of them have such weird ideas as i heard in this forum . i had a discussion about this thread topic with them too 2 days ago , and they blamed some of the posters arguments on the poor education in america and told me to not waist my time with such primitive people . maybe true maybe not ...

just as shahan describes , every one of us can judge better from our own personal experiences . i also believe that in this world one is always somehow judged by their nationality and their behaviour . if for example a french person only meets one single armenian in his whole life then this french person will have either a positive/negative oppinion about armenians .

 

about opening the border. in a way yes, it would be great for the economy of armenia to open the border with turkey. do not fool yourself, delala, by thinking that turkey would not benefit from it either, the entire eastern region of turkey is probably poorer then armenia herself.

 

yes of course . 50.000 kurds /turks in khars signed that they are for pro-opening-the border . but my oppinion is that turkey doesnt really care because most of them are kurdish and want to prevent kurdish emancipation in business life . besides , what is a 50.000 besides 80 million turks ? nada .

 

i also want to point out that, as armenians, there is no destinction among any of us, there is no such thing as a hayastanci, amerikahye, barskahye, lipanahye...there is only HYE. which means we are all equally brave, and equally dedicated to our country.

there are people here, who seem to be blind patriots of armenia, those people, often, have probably never visited the land. to those people i say, wake up, armenia IS a shait poor country, her people ARE suffering greatly. once we get that into our heads, then we can work together to construct a strong and powerful armenia. once we forget all the stupid stereotypes of hzkah hzor hayastan, we will manage to actually make a real hzkah hzor hayastan.

there is such a thing as ULTRAnationalism, which is the blind one i spoke of earlier, but there is also the opposite, in which, you, delala, seem to fit, if you are indeed an armenian. you say armenia is not perfect, i totally agree, yet instead of bashing it, you should help us make it better, your loyalties are not to turkey, nor are those of any bolsahye, they are to armenia.

 

theres is no such thing as you said , you are totally right from my point of view , because the diaspora all are originally from todays turkey . why should anyone today then identify themselves with countries like libanon , hayastn , barskastan , irak or syria? i think the problem of the classifications lie more deep . psychology . the diaspora has no real national home feeling , so they just present themselves as lipanahays irakahays barskahays bolsetsis ect... thats an identity complex in my oppinion . theres only one country where diasporants in history fled from : turkey . theres only one country which is ours : hayastan . in my oppinion only someone who is born and grew up in hayastan can have a national feeling towards its country .

one poster complained about armenians from turkey to get armenian when they leave turkey . as far as i see the situation is that in reality armenian citizens who leave their country in the past 20 years have a major identity crisis and complexes . it seems nobody wants to admit having left hayastan because of the inviting kapitalizm which attracks them in other countries . who cares when hayastanzis go out of their country and join political parties in is usa or europe for example ? no one. it has zero effect . our discussion topic has zero effect on the real situation of opening the border or not . it just interesting for me to hear the ideas of armenians living in english speaking countiries . but making a change? no. theres officially no organization who represents the armenian diaspora , not ANCA , not any one. neither armenian nor turkey are interested in our oppinions here .

its comfortable for armenia to keep borders closed , so armenia doesnt have to be confronted with the real number of hayastantsis who moved to turkey . the armenian government will until then not have to give official explanations of hayastanzis moving to turkey en masse to their enemy hated land turkey . i believe armenia is scared in case of opening the border to turkey to have the duty to explain why so many armenians moved to turkey . if the border will open , i am sure the number is going to rise tremendously towards the number today which enters turkey through land-wayfrom vrastan and through air-way to istanbul .also in my oppinion the armenian government is faking the number of hayastanzis in turkey big time .

what will though stay an enigma to me is hayastanzis who live everywhere else than in hayastan try to make politics and tell me that the economy of armenia is opening up like a flower . then why doesnt everyone move back to armenia if this is the truth ?

 

will you remind me for what purpose baku-tbilisi-kars railway is buit for?

 

the railway from turkey to azerbayjan via girogia was a very profitable thing for turks , turks can now export weapons even tanks much more easy and comfortable on this new railway route to azerbayjan then exporting through armenia (;

Edited August 6, 2007 by DeLaLa

[Shahan Araradian]

what is being discussed here? the fact that there are armenian prostitutes in turkey or no? i could not say, for i have never been to turkey, but i know that there are armenian prosititues in dubai and so on, i have even seen armenian prostitutes in armenia. im sure there may be some armenian prostitutes in turkey, and that is something we must admit. we have alot of pride, and do not want to believe that that would happen. but we must realise that there are crooks, theives, prostitutes and all that within the armenian nation as well, once we affirm that, we will be able to work for a better future.

erdojan said there are 70 thousand hayastancis in turkey, obviously, that number is quite inflated, but there are, i have heard of them from their own families in armenia. they do what ever they can to survive, we can't blame them

 

about opening the border. in a way yes, it would be great for the economy of armenia to open the border with turkey. do not fool yourself, delala, by thinking that turkey would not benefit from it either, the entire eastern region of turkey is probably poorer then armenia herself. there is no economy, no jobs, nothing, only getting tourists to visit the churches of the armenians they murdered. the people of eastern turkey want the border open probably more then those of armenia. the only problem is that that would mean, for us, pretending that 1.5 million of us, were never murdered, which is like giving up our national identity (in the words of mister smith from the matrix: human being define themselves by their suffering), give up the entire artsax, which is historically ours, thus throwing away the sacrifice made by brave armenians (not just hayastancis, but spurkayes from everywere, the states, canada, lebanon, syria, france, and even bolis, we are all brave armenians, no matter how we look at it).

personally i find that the humain price is much to great for the economic benefit of opening the border, on turkey's terms.

lastly, a strategic point. officially, armenia is at war, that means that, under a double blocade, it has created a war economy, a very successful one at that i should say. this makes armenia's economy as stable as can be, something that no other country in the region could immitate. in other words, in the event of resumtion of hostilities with azerbaijan (which WILL happen), turkey and azerbaijan will not be able to shake armenia into economic ruin, because..they are already doing that now, and we are still surviving..

but if armenia allows itself to be too dependant on turkey, which is, no matter what you think it's stance is, delala, ever hostile to armenia, it will crumble.

that is why i say that the border should not be open, on turkey's terms,

i also want to point out that, as armenians, there is no destinction among any of us, there is no such thing as a hayastanci, amerikahye, barskahye, lipanahye...there is only HYE. which means we are all equally brave, and equally dedicated to our country.

there are people here, who seem to be blind patriots of armenia, those people, often, have probably never visited the land. to those people i say, wake up, armenia IS a shait poor country, her people ARE suffering greatly. once we get that into our heads, then we can work together to construct a strong and powerful armenia. once we forget all the stupid stereotypes of hzkah hzor hayastan, we will manage to actually make a real hzkah hzor hayastan.

there is such a thing as ULTRAnationalism, which is the blind one i spoke of earlier, but there is also the opposite, in which, you, delala, seem to fit, if you are indeed an armenian. you say armenia is not perfect, i totally agree, yet instead of bashing it, you should help us make it better, your loyalties are not to turkey, nor are those of any bolsahye, they are to armenia.

So which of the above in bold is the truth? Can 2+2=4 and 5 at the same time?

[Shahan Araradian]

theres is no such thing as you said , you are totally right from my point of view , because the diaspora all are originally from todays turkey . why should anyone today then identify themselves with countries like libanon , hayastn , barskastan , irak or syria? i think the problem of the classifications lie more deep . psychology . the diaspora has no real national home feeling , so they just present themselves as lipanahays irakahays barskahays bolsetsis ect... thats an identity complex in my oppinion . theres only one country where diasporants in history fled from : turkey . theres only one country which is ours : hayastan . in my oppinion only someone who is born and grew up in hayastan can have a national feeling towards its country .

That assessment is laughable because when Armenia was created, all of the Armenian revolutionaries -- indeed all of the Armenians -- were citizens of either the Ottoman empire (Western Armenians) or the Russian Empire (Eastern Armenians).

 

one poster complained about armenians from turkey to get armenian when they leave turkey . as far as i see the situation is that in reality armenian citizens who leave their country in the past 20 years have a major identity crisis and complexes . it seems nobody wants to admit having left hayastan because of the inviting kapitalizm which attracks them in other countries . who cares when hayastanzis go out of their country and join political parties in is usa or europe for example ? no one. it has zero effect . our discussion topic has zero effect on the real situation of opening the border or not . it just interesting for me to hear the ideas of armenians living in english speaking countiries . but making a change? no. theres officially no organization who represents the armenian diaspora , not ANCA , not any one.

De facto the representatives of Armenians in the diaspora are Armenian organizations of the diaspora, not the state of Armenia.

[DeLaLa]

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[hosank]

what will though stay an enigma to me is hayastanzis who live everywhere else than in hayastan try to make politics and tell me that the economy of armenia is opening up like a flower . then why doesnt everyone move back to armenia if this is the truth ?

not true, this is a 10 year old anachronism. today many armenians, including hayastanci armenians are moving back to armenia, many armenians who went to russia got rich, opened a chain for their business in armenia, and are progressively moving back, in the past few years, demographic trends in armenia. many barskahyes are also moving their businesses there as well. so, yes, armenia is opening like a flower (to put it your way), but it takes time for the seeds to blow to the entire country.

i am also glad that hayastancis outside armenia stay in armenian politics, which shows their attachment to the fatherland, and their will to eventually return.

So which of the above in bold is the truth? Can 2+2=4 and 5 at the same time?

from that post, it seems doubtious to me that you understand reason. i said armenia was quite poor (which it is, yes, there is alot of money comming in, and yes people are progressively getting richer, but it takes time...and it is happening..armenia is not poor like say somalia) and i did say eastern turkey is 'poorER' then armenia, thus, i highlight a different degree of poverty.

so, 2+2 does indeed make 4

 

[gamavor]

We can actually lose our border with Turkey if this happens. But anyways...

 

That won't be that great of a loss. De facto, Armenia borders with Kurdistan. Turkish east (Western Armenia, North-Western Kurdistan) is bare like a desert. There is no economic incentive to open useless border. The backbone of Turkish economy is concentrated on the European and utmost western part of the country. The rest are just watching the commercials and salivating. The population on the other side of the border has no running water and light. They are poor like Punjabis. Opening of the border would not facilitate the transportation issues that Armenia has in order for her goods to reach desirable markets.

 

The only way Turkish east could be of any interest to us is if Europeans and Americans start pouring their tax money to improve the region, but even so it would take decades for this to happen. Armenia's best bet is to put the emphasis on air-transportation and intensification of the economic relations with Iran and Georgia, and why not in the future with Azerbaidjan.

 

[Shahan Araradian]

The only way Turkish east could be of any interest to us is if Europeans and Americans start pouring their tax money to improve the region, but even so it would take decades for this to happen. Armenia's best bet is to put the emphasis on air-transportation and intensification of the economic relations with Iran and Georgia, and why not in the future with Azerbaidjan.

I don't get it. When was the last time American tax dollars was used to develop another nation?

 

The American tactic (really it is the tactic of the Ruling Elite of the world) is:

1. give out loans to "developing nations" such as Armenia

2. make sure that the country taking on the debt (e.g. Armenia) can NOT repay its debt.

3. the creditor (Ruling Elite of the world) bargains with the debtor (e.g. Armenia) so that the debtor country changes its foreign and economic policies to allow the global corporations (90% owned by the ruling elite via direct private equity ownership or via hedge funds; the rest by the masses via pension funds and mutual funds) to come into the debtor country and make use of the available human capital (labor) and incorporate the debtor country's people and economy into the global economy.

Edited August 7, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Aratta-Kingdom]

 

1.

"this is what you said in the previous post: http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=16579&st=0

 

Delala :

"but there is armenians in turkey and you cant erase them , turkey wont get rid of armenians in turkey ! thats what turkey wants , but no chance . armenians in turkey would be cowards to leave them all the armenian institutions . armenians are present , and turkey will not just erase us . they WILL stay confronted with the armenian genocide until armenians do live even as a minority in the turkish state . we need to show presency . we are not a dead askh ! " "

 

Aratta:

armenians are AZG, the turks are not. even the assassination of Hrant Dink did not force the armenians out of turkey.

 

 

Delala

"did you listen to the words of Rakel Dinks speech ever ? Her love letter ?"

 

 

 

 

i said even the fear can't drive the armenians out of turkey. why did you have to mention her name? what does a sobbing woman got to do with the point your tried to make?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2.

"what does "repsect" mean ?"

 

 

 

I'm not your father or you teacher. Do your homework before you come to an armenian forum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

3.

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=16579&st=0

 

Delala :

"i dont understand the moral of armenian kaxakagans anyway ... i mean where is the moral? if you want to boykott opening the border of turkey because of the denial of the armenian genocide"

 

 

 

Aratta:

are you again blaming the others for your mistakes? how many times did the armenian side has offered to open the borders without preconditions? where is the moral of your government?

 

 

 

 

Delala :

"thats exactly what i tried to explain , but you and some others in this thread did not get it into your heads ."

 

 

 

you again contradict yourself. you first put the blame on the armenians for not having an open border with turkey. when proven wrong, you claim you been trying to explain that it is the turks who don't wanna open the border!?! you see how sptupid you look?

 

 

 

 

 

 

4.

Delala

"some posters claimed that they only want open borders under the ONLY condition that turkey recognizes armnian genocide ."

 

Aratta

it was you who blamed the armenian side for not having an open border, remember?

 

 

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=16579&st=0

 

Delala :

"i dont understand the moral of armenian kaxakagans anyway ... i mean where is the moral? if you want to boykott opening the border of turkey because of the denial of the armenian genocide"

 

 

 

 

 

5.

Delala

"you talk as if ARMENIA was the first who closed the border of turkey because supposedly armenians want closed border because of protest o the genocide-denial of turkey . NO! it IS the other way around ! TURKEY CLOSED THEIR BORDER TO ARMENIA ! so its absolutely ilogical your arguments .

 

 

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=16579&st=0

 

Delala :

"i dont understand the moral of armenian kaxakagans anyway ... i mean where is the moral? if you want to boykott opening the border of turkey because of the denial of the armenian genocide"

 

 

Aratta:

LOL this is too good to be true

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6.

 

"yes its getting there . and every year more and more hayastanzis move to turkey , the number will keep rising in future."

 

 

where are you getting this information from?

 

 

 

 

 

7

"Aliev ? lol , you are probably getting mixed up with names here . it was ERDOGAN , not aliev who stated that . how can aliev kick out armenians from turkey? lol ."

 

 

that's my point. that's the card the azeri turks have been trying to play, and they have failed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8.

" besides that by you saying " promised to deport all the armenian citizens from turkey " you just admitted you believe that armenian citizens do live in turkey . or who should to your oppinion get "kicked out"? "

 

 

 

 

this is what i said:

 

"when aliev the bitchoglu, promised to deport all the armenian citizens from turkey, he was hoping to gain a ground against the armenians from the negotiating process. didn't you learn the tactics of intimidation don't work with the armenians? can't you see you have failed?"

 

when aliyev makes a promise, he either tries to make his stupid people happy, or he tries to intimidate the armenians.

 

 

 

 

 

 

9.

"besides that armenian citizens live and work illegally in turkey , so why shouldnt erdogan kick them back to armenia ? "

 

 

didn't you just say "it was ERDOGAN , not aliev who stated that". i honestly think there is something wrong with your brain.

 

 

 

 

 

10.

"by armenian press writings . by international press writings . "

 

you read the armenian press? fine! show me an article from an armenian press that would support your claim.

 

 

 

 

 

 

11.

"why should armenians travel 30 hours to reach trabzon instead of 5-10 ? why should armenians each time pay baxshish at the giorgian border ?"

 

 

you first said "why are the busses through giorgia to trabzone packed with armenians (30 hours drive) ?"...then you claimed "why are the planes full of armenians?". so they travel by planes or by buses? even you can't make up your mind [in the process of designing a lie]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

12.

"why shouldnt armenia for example stop exporting armenian cognac to khars ? "

 

 

LOL you got 80,000 armenians in turkey(as you claim ). why shouldn't they?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

13.

"tz tz tz ... whats on a mans mind... believe it or not there are also armenians who dont go as sex tourists to sochi but spend a vacation with their family in ANTALYA . the planes yerevan/antalya is always packed with armenian tourists . "

 

 

 

WOW you make it sound as if turkey is a disneyland for the adults

 

 

 

 

14.

"there are many ways armenians come to turkey . flights from yerevan to istanbul and antalya is one. some fly yerevan to sofia and then continue with busses to istanbul . some drive through the giorgian border to turkey . "

 

 

are you sure the Pope is not among them?

 

 

 

 

 

15.

"sexual frustration Aratta ? "

 

 

BING ! It's time for me to join the other armenians and come to visit over 8 million illiterate turkish women who think only about food and sex. otherwise, i'm stuck in hotel with senior citizens who go to bed at 9...and wake up 4 in the morning...by the time i get to the buffet, i get to eat the leftovers (: it's sad. the hell with business and money. i must chase my turkish dream and come party with turkish woman.

 

 

 

 

 

 

16.

"NOPEEE .. wrong again Aratta . armenian citizens are NOT DIASPORA ! "

 

 

 

what the hell are you talking about?

 

 

 

 

 

17.

"armenian citizens left mostly their country because of bad economical reasons and to make a better life outside of hayastan . nobody kicked these people out of their own country grounds . armenian citizens left their own country on their own wish ."

 

 

 

they go to turkey to chase their turkish dream while the turks by millions run away from turkey in fear of their lives. over 4 million turks already live in Germany? close to 10 million are in all over the europe. how stupid these turks got to be. how can they not see what the armenians see? how can they just pack their bags and leave turkey?

 

 

 

 

 

 

18.

"lol , you are really amusing me here ... Aratta ? how many millions of turks live in turkey ? and how many millions of armenians live in armenia ? and , how many of these "millions of turks " who leave turkey are kurdish ?"

 

 

 

 

so you are saying while the armenians go to turkey, the kurds leave the country by millions? is that what you are saying?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

19.

"do you like yourself Aratta? "

 

who cares? you call him daddy and you force the children of turkey to worship him. do you see now which one of us is in denial?

 

 

 

 

 

 

20.

"DUHHHHHHHHHHHH"

 

 

 

well? answer the question.

 

 

 

 

 

21.

"maybe no one in the mountain village you come from ? can it be? lol"

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah, why not but you got to find at least one person who lives in yerevan and who would have a friend or a relative in turkey. for some reason that 80,000 you keep talking about got no friends or relatives among the other armenians. are you sure they are from armenia and not mars or jupiter?

 

 

Edited August 8, 2007 by Aratta-Kingdom

[Aratta-Kingdom]

AVO , so it is justified for you that forum users swear and call me names? so you want to really tell me i deserved these primitive swears? where did some of you get your family education from ? i really start wodering by now ...

 

 

why you think you must make it your business to wonder about the family education of the others? who gave you a right to enter their personal space?

 

how many times have i told you to have respect for the forum members?

 

either you start to respect the others or stop (...) about them attacking you back.

Edited August 8, 2007 by Aratta-Kingdom

[hosank]

this has gotten pointless, no armenian should insult another...we have the whole world against us, we don't have to be against ourselves as well, im sure we , who pride ourselves with being one of the oldest civilizations, can find a way to discuss our differences in a civilized way

[Yervant1]

this has gotten pointless, no armenian should insult another...we have the whole world against us, we don't have to be against ourselves as well, im sure we , who pride ourselves with being one of the oldest civilizations, can find a way to discuss our differences in a civilized way

Amen!!!!!!!!

[gamavor]

I don't get it. When was the last time American tax dollars was used to develop another nation?

 

The leading motivational incentive is not developing another nation, but developing a market. This is how CAPITAL works. It happened at least twice in a large scale in 20th century. The most exemplary example is the Marshal Plan. The second is Japan. Mind you American investment bankers have the best "noses" when it comes to profitability and development. Simply America has developed that way and they have the most expertise on the field. The same happened in a minor scale in Eastern Europe after the fall of the Berlin wall. If there is a potential for development it would be exploited.

 

We have to do our home work and admit that there is a lot to learn from American experience - a rare and successful combination of innovative business thinking, diplomacy and when needed military "advice".

 

[hosank]

actually a similar plan happened right after ww1, to revive european markets in order to sell goods...this collapsed with the depression.

and today, isreal and armenia are the worlds largest recepiants of american aid. and all that money comes from american TAXES

[DeLaLa]

and today, isreal and armenia are the worlds largest recepiants of american aid. and all that money comes from american TAXES

 

hi hosank , where do you have this information from ? can you explain me please ...

 

[DeLaLa]

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=81741 ,August 24, 2007

 

Increasing demand for Turkish goods in Armenia

 

 

ERIVAN - Anatolia news agency

 

The demand for Turkish goods going to Armenia via the Georgian border has increased because the border between Armenia and Turkey is closed, reported Agence France-Presse yesterday.

 

Maryam Harutunyan's article in AFP states that Turkish trucks arrive in Erivan, located 25 kilometers from Turkey, by passing a long way via Georgia and then negotiating a long queue that exceeds one kilometer.

 

Gacik Koçaryan, an Armenian Trade and Economic Development Ministry representative, conceded the existence of a significant amount of Turkish goods in Armenian markets and said that most of them were composed of white goods and clothes. Based on the accounts of the Armenian Ministry, the amount of Turkish goods in the Armenian market has increased by 40 percent compared to last year.

 

It is pointed out that Turkish and Armenian businessmen have demanded the lifting of the embargo and opening of the borders several times. Suren, an Armenian teenager said, “The quality and the price of the goods are of fundamental importance to me, not the country they come from,” reported AFP

[hosank]

i found this, hopefully it would at least partly answer your question

 

Breakdown of international trade

 

When the war came to an end in 1918, all European nations that had been allied with the United States owed large sums of money to American banks, sums much too large to be repaid out of their shattered treasuries. This is one reason why the Allies had insisted (to the consternation of Woodrow Wilson) on demanding reparation payments from Germany and Austria-Hungary. Reparations, they believed, would provide them with a way to pay off their own debts. However, Germany and Austria-Hungary were themselves in deep economic trouble after the war; they were no more able to pay the reparations than the Allies were able to pay their debts.

 

The debtor nations put strong pressure on the United States in the 1920s to forgive the debts, or at least reduce them. The American government refused. Instead, U.S. banks began making large loans to the nations of Europe. Thus, debts (and reparations) were being paid only by augmenting old debts and piling up new ones. In the late 1920s, and particularly after the American economy began to weaken after 1929, the European nations found it much more difficult to borrow money from the United States. At the same time, high U.S. tariffs were making it much more difficult for them to sell their goods in U.S. markets. Without any source of revenue from foreign exchange with which to repay their loans, they began to default.

 

Beginning late in the 1920s, European demand for U.S. goods began to decline. That was partly because European industry and agriculture were becoming more productive, and partly because some European nations (most notably Weimar Germany) were suffering serious financial crises and could not afford to buy goods overseas. However, the central issue causing the destabilization of the European economy in the late 1920s was the international debt structure that had emerged in the aftermath of World War I.

 

The Smoot-Hawley Tariff was especially harmful to agriculture because it caused farmers to default on their loans. This event may have worsened or even caused the ensuing bank runs in the Midwest and West that caused the collapse of the banking system.

 

Prior to the Great Depression, a petition signed by over 1,000 economists was presented to the U.S. government warning that the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act would bring disastrous economic repercussions; however, this did not stop the act from being signed into law.

 

The high tariff walls critically impeded the payment of war debts. As a result of high U.S. tariffs, only a sort of cycle kept the reparations and war-debt payments going. During the 1920s, the former allies paid the war-debt installments to the United States chiefly with funds obtained from German reparations payments, and Germany was able to make those payments only because of large private loans from the United States and Britain. Similarly, U.S. investments abroad provided the dollars, which alone made it possible for foreign nations to buy U.S. exports.

 

In the scramble for liquidity that followed the 1929 stock market crash, funds flowed back from Europe to America, and Europe's fragile economies crumbled.

 

By 1931, the world was reeling from the worst depression of all time, and the entire structure of reparations and war debts collapsed.

 

 

and delala, you are right, but i think we should wait for internal pressure (from your article, we see it as turkish businessmen) in turkey to want to lift the embargo first, not armenia, that will make us look desperate, and thus right away place us in a position of dependency

[hosank]

here is a list of top recipiants of us aid

isreal is at the top of course..

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http...ficial%26sa%3DX

and, armenia is 18th..

 

what is there to explain? the us raises money through taxes, and a percentage of that money goes for foreign developpement

[gamavor]

Hosank, Buddy! Americans have never ever did anything only because of mine or yours blue eyes, filled with sense of sympathy or sheer altruism! Here is how American development help works: USAID decides to fund with yours and mine tax money technology development project in Zanzibar. Then, a number of experts are dispatched on the field to asses the needs and the amount of funding. Then, they pay federal money to Microsoft (who in turn send them in the Congress through political party system funding) to do the job. The Zanzibar government is happy, Microsoft is happy and the US government is happy because they won another ally. Then, on the next year Microsoft decides to upgrade the systems installed in Zanzibar, but this time the expenses are covered by the Zanzibary government.