Serge Sargsyan: Armenia Open For Talks With Turkey

[DeLaLa]

edward , why should one HATE hayastanzis by only critisizing the chovinism ? HATE is a strong word edward . why do you take it so personal ? i dislike the armenian macho men , and so what ? does it mean i hate hayastanzis ? no ! Edited August 6, 2007 by DeLaLa

[ED]

do not cheery pick from my post, do a little searching regarding "statsi" man here in these form and his conduct

this isn't the first time he is bushing Hayastana-hays

 

as for your posts, I have no problem of them, i agree with most what you have to say, but for me as Armenian before anything OUR national interests come first,

 

for Mr. Sargisians comments,? I could not agree more what he had to say, NO-PRE-CONDITIONS, it seems its always turks who put up conditions first

Armenian economy is growing DESPITE the blockade, so it will (before that happens people like Mr. Shahan Araradian should change there "villige mentality") so the interest should be MUTUAL, and not one sided.

Genocide is another issue for turks, and so is Artsax, and so is Kars agreement so on on on and on

[DeLaLa]

edward , i made the experience in this forum that some really hate armenians from turkey . i think it is a good thing though if people can critisize their own nation , IF they have good arguments .

[ED]

THERE IS DISTINCTION BETWEEN BEING CRITICAL AND TO CRITISIZE, look it up in a dictionary

 

being critical of his/her Nation is the most vital insurer of lasting healthy society

 

for me, i welcome all healthy critical issues in which we can debate/share/understand and finally WE all can benefit.

 

and the same time lets not also forget who we are and what good qualities we possess, not that there is anything wrong, lets say with some good Georgian qualities as well!

 

only criticism wont do any good, wont you agree?

[Yervant1]

edward , i made the experience in this forum that some really hate armenians from turkey . i think it is a good thing though if people can critisize their own nation , IF they have good arguments .

I bet there are more in this forum that have no issues with Armenians from Turkey or anywhere else. It seems to me that in this thread because of few members there are a lot of generilizations going on which is not true.

Critisizing of one's own race with humility and respect is a good thing and constructive but saying it in an I'm right and you are wrong is tottally wrong and demeaning for everybody involved.

Please everybody keep your personal ego at bay and stay with the issues without arragonce and insult.

[DeLaLa]

only criticism wont do any good, wont you agree ? ayo , but egocentric idealism wont do good either i think . in my opinion the days where i can say i am proud to be an armenian are long time ago .

[Yervant1]

only criticism wont do any good, wont you agree ? ayo , but egocentric idealism wont do good either i think . in my opinion the days where i can say i am proud to be an armenian are long time ago .

Yes I'm in agreement with you about the egocentric people who think they know everything better than others and start the preaching rather than discussing. You say Armenians from Turkey are the best and others say the opposite, so whats the difference between you and them?

So in your opinion you are not proud about some other Armenians nowadays, but if we ask those Armenians their opinions about you probably they feel the same way about you.

So please get off your high image podium and be a little humble then maybe you might get the same from them.

[ED]

only criticism wont do any good, wont you agree ? ayo , but egocentric idealism wont do good either i think . in my opinion the days where i can say i am proud to be an armenian are long time ago .

 

 

don't you think you contradict your self in above post? what is it you want from your country, people?

Hayastan is what we make of her to be, if you have other reasons for NOT being proud then you might also as well have identity crisis.

now who is being "egocentric idealist" here?

 

Lady, this forum (at list) is no place for such characters, seek your answers elsewhere.

but we are very tolerant people so go ahead and amuse your self by all means. stay a wile if you wish, you might change your perspective

[Anoushik]

edward , i made the experience in this forum that some really hate armenians from turkey . i think it is a good thing though if people can critisize their own nation , IF they have good arguments .

Delala, I don't think any Armenian is capable of truly hating another Armenian. Sure, we all have our dislikes of each other; sometimes we just can't stand each other. It's natural, but it's not hate. The first day you joined this forum you started picking on old topics and insulting the writers' intelligence. That's not hate either. It's typical Armenian behavior But don't think that I or anyone else will tolerate that.

 

And regarding the Armenians living in Turkey: it's tragic. Very tragic.

[DeLaLa]

yes edward , you can discuss so good and civilized with posters who post comments like these . this forum is so perfect .

 

On a personal level, most so-called Turkish Armenians are typical oriental ass holes.

 

I would like to address them with “DZO EShol ESHEK”but would stop here

 

As to "what is turkified Armenian" - just have a look in the mirror, although my wild guess is that you are Mongol mutt.

 

How can you compare Armenians living in other countries with Armenians living in Turkey? There is no comparison. None.

 

say what? who the f#@& are you asking her such a personal question?

 

Why am I even responding under this subject topic. ? What do I care aout Mutaf and his ilk? BTW, my dictionary says "mutaf" is a maker goat hair goods.

 

are you in a period or something!?!

 

NEXT TIME TRY NOT TO CUT CORNERS. I already told you, with me you stand no chance to play cat and mouse.

 

by the way, have you ever been in Armenia?

or you're just another "so-called Armenian from Istanbul" Kostantinapol.

 

you son of a turk

 

no bitchoglu. you might have been fu@#ed by a jewish revolutionary

 

the better Armenians are from Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

 

You ask too many questions. Are you a turk?

[Yervant1]

yes edward , you can discuss so good and civilized with posters who post comments like these . this forum is so perfect .

These are from some of your perfect posts.

 

 

it is the truth . dont bore me please.

... until he got shot with 3 bullets ... after his death the armenians who barked like dogs got to know who hrant dink really was

 

another brainsfart ? gamavor ? ottomans ----> former turkey !!!

 

Gamavor , your oppinions are racist and primitive .

it is grotesque what you are all writing here lol ...

... a lot of people ge-hachen in this forum with no intelligent arguments ...

@Arpa , sorry but i dont discuss on such primitive level

i asked a simple question and all i get is barab sarab answers .

 

 

 

[DeLaLa]

hello yervant ,

 

yes . these comments are primitive , racistic and sexistic . how would you describe these comments ?

 

On a personal level, most so-called Turkish Armenians are typical oriental ass holes.

 

I would like to address them with “DZO EShol ESHEK”but would stop here

 

As to "what is turkified Armenian" - just have a look in the mirror, although my wild guess is that you are Mongol mutt.

 

How can you compare Armenians living in other countries with Armenians living in Turkey? There is no comparison. None.

 

say what? who the f#@& are you asking her such a personal question?

 

Why am I even responding under this subject topic. ? What do I care aout Mutaf and his ilk? BTW, my dictionary says "mutaf" is a maker goat hair goods.

 

are you in a period or something!?!

 

NEXT TIME TRY NOT TO CUT CORNERS. I already told you, with me you stand no chance to play cat and mouse.

 

by the way, have you ever been in Armenia?

or you're just another "so-called Armenian from Istanbul" Kostantinapol.

 

you son of a turk

 

no bitchoglu. you might have been fu@#ed by a jewish revolutionary

 

the better Armenians are from Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

 

You ask too many questions. Are you a turk?

[Yervant1]

hello yervant ,

 

yes . these comments are primitive , racistic and sexistic . how would you describe these comments ?

For once for God's sake can you concentrate on what you write.

Clean your backyard and then you can earn the right to crticise others. It's like a black kettle calling another one black.

I hope this time you get what I'm trying to say to you.

Edited August 6, 2007 by Yervant1

[AVO]

Those comments were said only after you said these, like I said before, if you want respect, you should give respect to others, before demanding it for yourself.

 

QUOTE(DeLaLa @ Aug 6 2007, 05:14 AM) *

yes edward , you can discuss so good and civilized with posters who post comments like these . this forum is so perfect .

 

 

QUOTE(DeLaLa @ Aug 5 2007, 08:03 PM) *

it is the truth . dont bore me please.

 

QUOTE(DeLaLa @ Jul 21 2007, 08:17 PM) *

... until he got shot with 3 bullets ... after his death the armenians who barked like dogs got to know who hrant dink really was

 

 

QUOTE(DeLaLa @ Jul 22 2007, 09:43 AM) *

another brainsfart ? gamavor ? ottomans ----> former turkey !!!

 

 

QUOTE(DeLaLa @ Jul 23 2007, 12:02 PM) *

Gamavor , your oppinions are racist and primitive .

 

QUOTE(DeLaLa @ Jul 21 2007, 10:30 PM) *

it is grotesque what you are all writing here lol ...

 

QUOTE(DeLaLa @ Jul 19 2007, 09:33 PM) *

... a lot of people ge-hachen in this forum with no intelligent arguments ...

 

QUOTE(DeLaLa @ Jul 23 2007, 01:45 PM) *

@Arpa , sorry but i dont discuss on such primitive level

 

QUOTE(DeLaLa @ Jul 23 2007, 05:07 PM) *

i asked a simple question and all i get is barab sarab answers .

[Anoushik]

yes edward , you can discuss so good and civilized with posters who post comments like these . this forum is so perfect .

 

How can you compare Armenians living in other countries with Armenians living in Turkey? There is no comparison. None.

 

Delala, with the above quote I didn't mean that all the Armenians living in other countries are better than the Armenians living in Turkey. What I meant was that Turkey's Armenians are oppressed, which means that one can't compare them with Armenians living in other countries.

[DeLaLa]

Those comments were said only after you said these, like I said before, if you want respect, you should give respect to others, before demanding it for yourself.

 

AVO , so it is justified for you that forum users swear and call me names? so you want to really tell me i deserved these primitive swears? where did some of you get your family education from ? i really start wodering by now ...

[AVO]

Delala I think you're just a sad lonely person in dire need of attention. And you found a way to get peoples attention by attacking them. Please leave me alone and try MySpace. I have just ignored you, so I wont be seeing any more of your comments. Hopefully you'll find someone to care for you. Goodbye and nice knowing you.

[Shahan Araradian]

Delala I think you're just a sad lonely person in dire need of attention. And you found a way to get peoples attention by attacking them. Please leave me alone and try MySpace. I have just ignored you, so I wont be seeing any more of your comments. Hopefully you'll find someone to care for you. Goodbye and nice knowing you.

I don't think her comments were personal attacks on the level of your posts...

[AVO]

Shahan thats my opinion of her. Whether you like it or not is up to you.

[AVO]

And my opinion of you is that you got beaten up and abused by Hayastancis in school. Or the girl you liked chose to be with Hayastanci instead of you. Highschool, thats where you're hatred is coming from isn't it? Edited August 6, 2007 by Avo47

[Shahan Araradian]

And my opinion of you is that you got beaten up and abused by Hayastancis in school.

LOL.

 

No. But I had the misfortune of going to school with Hayasdantsis for six years and I saw the effect they had on Diasporan Armenians -- utter SHAME for being labeled as "Armenian" by others and placed into the same ethnic category as Hayasdantsis.

 

Throughout my years in public school, year after year, the Hayasdantsis made a worse and worse name for the rest of us.

 

Or the girl you liked chose to be with Hayastanci instead of you.

LOL! I don't think I would like a girl who likes guys who come to school in jogging pants or dress black from head to toe and who are mountain villagers whose only goal in life is to drive a Mercedes or BMW or Bentley and play loud music while driving around . These are the products of communist Armenia... A people disconnected from their past, their history.

 

Hayasdantsis pose ZERO competition in the game of getting women . No sane girl would want one unless she's got no other choice.

 

Highschool, thats where you're hatred is coming from isn't it?

For the most part. That's where I first met this form of Armenian... It was quite a shock coming out of Armenian school and seeing these so-called "Armenians."

Edited August 6, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[hosank]

what is being discussed here? the fact that there are armenian prostitutes in turkey or no? i could not say, for i have never been to turkey, but i know that there are armenian prosititues in dubai and so on, i have even seen armenian prostitutes in armenia. im sure there may be some armenian prostitutes in turkey, and that is something we must admit. we have alot of pride, and do not want to believe that that would happen. but we must realise that there are crooks, theives, prostitutes and all that within the armenian nation as well, once we affirm that, we will be able to work for a better future.

erdojan said there are 70 thousand hayastancis in turkey, obviously, that number is quite inflated, but there are, i have heard of them from their own families in armenia. they do what ever they can to survive, we can't blame them

 

about opening the border. in a way yes, it would be great for the economy of armenia to open the border with turkey. do not fool yourself, delala, by thinking that turkey would not benefit from it either, the entire eastern region of turkey is probably poorer then armenia herself. there is no economy, no jobs, nothing, only getting tourists to visit the churches of the armenians they murdered. the people of eastern turkey want the border open probably more then those of armenia. the only problem is that that would mean, for us, pretending that 1.5 million of us, were never murdered, which is like giving up our national identity (in the words of mister smith from the matrix: human being define themselves by their suffering), give up the entire artsax, which is historically ours, thus throwing away the sacrifice made by brave armenians (not just hayastancis, but spurkayes from everywere, the states, canada, lebanon, syria, france, and even bolis, we are all brave armenians, no matter how we look at it).

personally i find that the humain price is much to great for the economic benefit of opening the border, on turkey's terms.

lastly, a strategic point. officially, armenia is at war, that means that, under a double blocade, it has created a war economy, a very successful one at that i should say. this makes armenia's economy as stable as can be, something that no other country in the region could immitate. in other words, in the event of resumtion of hostilities with azerbaijan (which WILL happen), turkey and azerbaijan will not be able to shake armenia into economic ruin, because..they are already doing that now, and we are still surviving..

but if armenia allows itself to be too dependant on turkey, which is, no matter what you think it's stance is, delala, ever hostile to armenia, it will crumble.

that is why i say that the border should not be open, on turkey's terms,

 

 

i also want to point out that, as armenians, there is no destinction among any of us, there is no such thing as a hayastanci, amerikahye, barskahye, lipanahye...there is only HYE. which means we are all equally brave, and equally dedicated to our country.

there are people here, who seem to be blind patriots of armenia, those people, often, have probably never visited the land. to those people i say, wake up, armenia IS a shait poor country, her people ARE suffering greatly. once we get that into our heads, then we can work together to construct a strong and powerful armenia. once we forget all the stupid stereotypes of hzkah hzor hayastan, we will manage to actually make a real hzkah hzor hayastan.

there is such a thing as ULTRAnationalism, which is the blind one i spoke of earlier, but there is also the opposite, in which, you, delala, seem to fit, if you are indeed an armenian. you say armenia is not perfect, i totally agree, yet instead of bashing it, you should help us make it better, your loyalties are not to turkey, nor are those of any bolsahye, they are to armenia.

 

 

 

 

 

[hosank]

Hayasdantsis pose ZERO competition in the game of getting women wink.gif. No sane girl would want one unless she's got no other choice.

agreed...from personal experience

Edited August 6, 2007 by hosank

[Anoushik]

Please, everyone, let's stop the personal attacks.

[Anoushik]

And let's not label Armenians in groups. Hayastantsis, Parskahyes, Libanantsi Hyes, Iraqi Hyes, Bolsahyes, etc.. Let's not label ourselves when we are all considered Armenians belonging to one ethnic group in the eyes of foreigners. Just stop it.