Twilight Bark Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 Ordu is a city on the Black Sea coast of Turkey. Can you guess what Armenian word its name comes from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 Ordu in armenian means pazmutiun, tsegh, dohm. In English may be crowd. oh pardon me my English is very poor, so I have no right to give any explanation in English Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted December 13, 2001 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2001 quote:Originally posted by dragon:Ordu in armenian means pazmutiun, tsegh, dohm. In English may be crowd. oh pardon me my English is very poor, so I have no right to give any explanation in English I am not aware of "ordu" meaning "crowd" in Armenian. And that is not the origin I had in mind. Hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 13, 2001 Report Share Posted December 13, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Twilight Bark:I am not aware of "ordu" meaning "crowd" in Armenian. And that is not the origin I had in mind. Hmm.We may know what you may have had in mind. Amot!!! If by "crowd" it is meant to mean "horda" tis is used in the Armenian, as "Mongolakan hordaner" etc.)then I hate to rain on your parade."horda" does mean crowd, it is from the English "horde" a word usually applied to ragtag collection of invading people often applied to Asian invaders. There is a reason for its Asian (Mongolian) application since the word "horde" is from the Turkish "ordu" which in general means "army" but it seems it originally was used to describe invading... HORDES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted December 13, 2001 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Arpa:We may know what you may have had in mind. Amot!!! If by "crowd" it is meant to mean "horda" tis is used in the Armenian, as "Mongolakan hordaner" etc.)then I hate to rain on your parade."horda" does mean crowd, it is from the English "horde" a word usually applied to ragtag collection of invading people often applied to Asian invaders. There is a reason for its Asian (Mongolian) application since the word "horde" is from the Turkish "ordu" which in general means "army" but it seems it originally was used to describe invading... HORDES.I did understand the connection between "ordu" or "horda" and "crowd", although I did not think it was part of "official" Armenian lexicon (don't have my dictionary with me ). However, as you pointed out, it is a word borrowed from Turkic languages. That hardly counts as Armenian, especially when we are talking about a city in Turkey! According to Bilge Umar, the present name of Ordu is the result of deforming an Armenian name of unrelated meaning, so as to make it sound sensible in Turkish. And he makes a reasonable case for it. Last chance everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted December 14, 2001 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2001 The original nucleus of Ordu turms out to be a small town that had an Armenian community. Their church was named "Asdwadz Orti" (meaning Christ). The long name was shortened to Orti by the locals, and eventually deformed to Ordu; a word that has a meaning in Turkish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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